30AMP breaker with 12AWG wire

[mm08822]

You may only need to add a ground jumper to the enclosure unless a ground lug is used and the picture angle just doesn't show it. The breakers are fine and so is the enclosure/load center. Make sure those ground wire are routed away from the cb terminals.

The other 100amp panel being in the dettached garage is another story, but considering what you tore out/replaced, this many times better.

 

[JohnnyK8]

You're a brave man TexasKen.

Let the bashing begin....

Lol!! These threads are always fun to read.

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[TexasKen]

This is against code (2 feeds to the detached garage). An easy solution would be to disconnect your 2 breaker panel from the house feed and run new wire over from the 100A on the other side of the garage.

What exactly is against code? Must have all been fine a few years ago when the 100 amp panel was installed and inspected by the city. Something may not be code now but was grandfathered in.


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[wyliesdiesels]

Here is the inside picture everybody wants. I added the ground that runs through a pvc pipe down the wall and outside.

Sorry sigma_x, the screws are not clocked

Sberry, you are correct that the dryer was originally in the garage. There was an addition to the house in the 70's and a utility room was added and the dryer was moved inside. I'm now thinking that at that time the garage electric was updated and the old disconnect was not replaced.




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Wait a minute. That large solid cu wire under the blue wire nut goes outside to a grounding electrode?

So Youre using a grounding electrode for an EGC pathway?

Or where does it go?

Not kosher if it goes to a rod.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

What exactly is against code? Must have all been fine a few years ago when the 100 amp panel was installed and inspected by the city. Something may not be code now but was grandfathered in.


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U cant have 2 feeds to a detached structure.

Where does this small panel get its power from?

 

[sberry]

The feed is 3 wire? As a stopgap measure if it is the N needs to be bonded to the box and grounds at this point. Chances are the original sub is wired 3 wire. You need a 4 wire to this little box, new 12/3 with G would work.
It needs a 4th wire from panel to panel tying all the grounds to themselves and the branch circuits. Any ground wires on recepts, switches, metal boxes, panels or any other steel with the potential to be energized should be connected as one with a wire.
If the sub is old 3 wire fed then there will need to be a bond connection with N there.

 

[sberry]

Get a pic of the sub. Get one with cover off.

 

[mm08822]

Wait a minute. That large solid cu wire under the blue wire nut goes outside to a grounding electrode?

So Youre using a grounding electrode for an EGC pathway?

Not kosher.

I missed that sentance with the pvc. It sure does seem to imply gec to a rod.

OP, Where is the ground wire from the feeder? Isnt the feeder a 3 conductor cable including a ground wire?

 

[Muzzy]

Must have all been fine a few years ago when the 100 amp panel was installed and inspected by the city.

Inspectors can make mistakes or miss things.

 

[LS6 Tommy]

This is against code (2 feeds to the detached garage). An easy solution would be to disconnect your 2 breaker panel from the house feed and run new wire over from the 100A on the other side of the garage.

First thing that crossed my mind. Who cares what the load center is or isn't rated for when the entire electrical service is a code violation?


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[wyliesdiesels]

If this small panel is fed from the house, i would definitely abamdoned that feed and run a new feeder over to the new panel.

 

[Scrambler82]

OP, Pattern...,
I have not read all of the postings, sorry, time and opinions.
Where do you stand on this now, have you changed anything ?
If you haven't there is always a chance of fire !
Just an opinion, and everyone has one, you need to replace the control box you have and with a decent service panel. If the main wire is 4 ga, it looks larger than 10, and you are feeding it with 30 amps, you can break up the circuits and reduce fire issues. If this panel causes a fire you may not be covered by your insurance.

Just talkI got out loud, good luck with what ever you have done or are going to do !

 

[Angelfire]

What exactly is against code? Must have all been fine a few years ago when the 100 amp panel was installed and inspected by the city. Something may not be code now but was grandfathered in.


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The oldest code book I have is from 2002 and the requirement for only one service is in there. Can't tell you how far back that rule was put in place as I don't have access to codes earlier than that.
Cheers.

 

[sberry]

This little panel and the equipment connected to it are not grounded right. The saving grace to equipment connected thru the outlet is gfci.