Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack Versus Snap On FJ300 Jack
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shipped from Harbor freight in SC you cannot beat it for 100 dollars Brand New in the box......dkroth
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You didn't read the whole thread?
Or maybe you did.
Or maybe you did.
This thread should just be locked.
It started out by trolls trying (succussefully?) to fuel a lawsuit on behalf of snap on...and ended with credit card thieves (succussefully?) trying to scam harbor freight...with fraudulent sales....
Smells like ******** all around.
WWheeler
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If you bought a Daytona floor jack new for ~$100 off ebay, then you didn't get scammed, but in all likelihood you unknowingly participated in, as much as we can figure, is a stolen credit card scam and it was Harbor Freight that got scammed.
Welcome to the club. Now that we know what's going on though, we definitely do not want to lead others into doing the same.
Here's a post I made on another thread about the scam and what's going on ...
Yes, ebay has been playing a game of whack-a-mole and hasn't caught every account that is/was selling these jacks (and Predator engines and other Harbor Freight items - see below) in that price range. New accounts with the listings are popping up every day. Most of the seller accounts had been members for a year or more, usually with little to no feedback activity, and they were from locations all over the country.
The details vary because accounts being used don't appear to have been fake, but rather ones someone had surreptitiously gained access to. The one thing they have in common is that they are all selling the same Harbor Freight items at 'too-good-to-be-true' prices using the same headers ("3 Ton Daytona Professional Steel Floor Jack - Super Duty, FREE SHIPPING!!!", "8 HP (301cc) OHV Horizontal Shaft Gas Engine EPA New 100%", "12 in. Double-Bevel Sliding Compound Miter Saw With Laser Guide System New 100%", "17 gal. 1.8 HP 150 PSI Oilless Air Compressor New 100%", ... just to name a few) all using the same stock photos, same description, usually starting out with more than 10 available.
In the Harbor Freight Daytona Jack thread there are quite a few members (myself included) who placed an order from almost as many different accounts only to at some point later received an email from ebay like this one:
That's 12 different GJ members I linked above who got that same email, and that was just what I was able to get in a few minutes using GJ's thread search function which leaves much to be desired. I'm sure there are more.
Many of those who ordered got that email from ebay well after the paypal transaction had already went through and often already had a FedEx tracking number for it showing their jack was coming from Harbor Freight in Dillon SC, however in some cases Harbor Freight was able to have the item recalled by the shipper before the delivery was made.
Given that ebay is catching so many of these listings and notifying the purchasers that the seller's account may have been compromised by a third party, and that Harbor Freight has on occasion been able to stop the shipment on items already in transit, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going on.
I too bought mine on ebay because it seemed like a good deal at that price, but now in hindsight had I known then what I do now I wouldn't have purchased it that way.
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I'll explain more what I posted before so people will stop trying to id scammers mainly by 0 or super low feedback numbers.. It don't change buy/sale of stolen jack deals fwiw.. That's between you and your higher power to live with and discuss at a date to be determined.
I had mentioned a good while back I saw 4k watt generators on Fleabay for $50 from a USA account that was several yrs old and had over 100 positive feedbacks. Everything looked perfect on the seller as she was indeed legit..But the deal?
I almost jumped on the deal but since the Gens price was just too damn low to be true it made me look closer at the auction and I then noticed shipping section said free "e packet" shipping from China.
Now' knowing little much about gens here you know, I do know they can't fit inside an envelope packet so after a bit of thought'n I know'd then it was a scam. Several people thought they fit in one as I saw some folks that thought 5-6 would fit inside one and bought several...lol
IMO: Some auctions there are just like members here said, what some better skilled scammers are doing is breaking into older established ebay accounts and hijacking them. Rather just for kicks or changing the accounts payment settings so they can accept the payment at their location somewhere in China, BFE??
Paypals if used would need changed there too I think' so not sure how or if possible changing both?
After I caught this one I reported the auction to Ebay who shut it down asap and I went to paypal and changed my paypal payment option to "pay after delivery" to protect me from my own future brain farts.
This Paypal setting is to protect buyers and allows Paypal itself to pay the seller up front but act like any normal transaction to you. After about 2-3 weeks paypal will send an email to you the buyer saying they are now taking the money from your account to pay for the item bought on such/such date several days back.
This gives you, Paypal and Ebay time to learn if its a scam or not. You'll even get an email from Paypal reminding you between time so you'll be ready for the real transaction.
So' basicly if I hit a scam now even if the item must be paid instantly at checkout instead of an Ebay cart my account is never affected at all, only Paypal itself will be charged for the first couple weeks. I can also go in & manually pay at Paypal easily after I get the item before time runs out too.
Myself' if sometimes skeptical will email the seller a separate email asking a simple question (about anything) before/after each sale just to make sure I get a response...Most scammers I seem to hit won't ever respond to any questions I have sent about the item for sale and they also make auctions very short timed to avoid it.
Just my take on it all, hope it helps but don't just look at the feedback score like others are warning here they are getting better at it now...
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I had mentioned a good while back I saw 4k watt generators on Fleabay for $50 from a USA account that was several yrs old and had over 100 positive feedbacks. Everything looked perfect on the seller as she was indeed legit..But the deal?
I almost jumped on the deal but since the Gens price was just too damn low to be true it made me look closer at the auction and I then noticed shipping section said free "e packet" shipping from China.
Now' knowing little much about gens here you know, I do know they can't fit inside an envelope packet so after a bit of thought'n I know'd then it was a scam. Several people thought they fit in one as I saw some folks that thought 5-6 would fit inside one and bought several...lol
IMO: Some auctions there are just like members here said, what some better skilled scammers are doing is breaking into older established ebay accounts and hijacking them. Rather just for kicks or changing the accounts payment settings so they can accept the payment at their location somewhere in China, BFE??
Paypals if used would need changed there too I think' so not sure how or if possible changing both?
After I caught this one I reported the auction to Ebay who shut it down asap and I went to paypal and changed my paypal payment option to "pay after delivery" to protect me from my own future brain farts.
This Paypal setting is to protect buyers and allows Paypal itself to pay the seller up front but act like any normal transaction to you. After about 2-3 weeks paypal will send an email to you the buyer saying they are now taking the money from your account to pay for the item bought on such/such date several days back.
This gives you, Paypal and Ebay time to learn if its a scam or not. You'll even get an email from Paypal reminding you between time so you'll be ready for the real transaction.
So' basicly if I hit a scam now even if the item must be paid instantly at checkout instead of an Ebay cart my account is never affected at all, only Paypal itself will be charged for the first couple weeks. I can also go in & manually pay at Paypal easily after I get the item before time runs out too.
Myself' if sometimes skeptical will email the seller a separate email asking a simple question (about anything) before/after each sale just to make sure I get a response...Most scammers I seem to hit won't ever respond to any questions I have sent about the item for sale and they also make auctions very short timed to avoid it.
Just my take on it all, hope it helps but don't just look at the feedback score like others are warning here they are getting better at it now...
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This thread should just be locked.
It started out by trolls trying (succussefully?) to fuel a lawsuit on behalf of snap on...and ended with credit card thieves (succussefully?) trying to scam harbor freight...with fraudulent sales....
Smells like ******** all around.
While i agree with you, and i did read this whole thread, i have to wonder how harbor freight is allowing this to happen. I mean if one does a search for completed auctions, there are HUNDREDS of these jacks sold at the low buy it now price. The last auction has 41 sold on January 15 and counting. No way the warehouse is so busy they overlook multiple orders for this jack going out the door each day, especially if HF is "aware" of credit card fraud on their system. While i have read and understand WWheelers post, i have got to believe that it can't just be stolen credit cards for each one.
This is my opinion, and nothing more.
p.s. my purchase was canceled and i got my funds back, so no guilty conscious here.
EOC_Jason
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It's not just the HF jack apparently, they are doing it on a lot of HF items, engines, tools, you name it... I guess that is their main distribution warehouse so they probably do get lots of orders every day to ship out. I'm sure it takes a few days if there is a CC reversal because a person has to notice the fake charge, call the CC company and deal with all that, then the CC company has to contact all the companies with the fake charges...
vettex2
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I'm still using 35 year old green craftsman jacks. They have been bulletproof.
I do have a 15+ year old Powerbuilt aluminum jack that was gifted to me too.
I had to locktite every nut and bolt within a month of getting it but since then it's been bulletproof too. I only use it on my Corvettes though.
I hope I never have to buy another.
I do have a 15+ year old Powerbuilt aluminum jack that was gifted to me too.
I had to locktite every nut and bolt within a month of getting it but since then it's been bulletproof too. I only use it on my Corvettes though.
I hope I never have to buy another.
Locker537
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I bought one today at HF. My other jack still works great, but I need something with more lift for my kwiklift.
EOC_Jason
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I used my HF Daytona today for the first time! I needed to attach a 2x6 across the back of a workbench I was building and couldn't figure out how I was going to hold it up in the air... Floor jack to the rescue! A couple quick pumps and that board was balancing right where I needed it... lol...
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I read every page.
I have been on eBay for 18 years. They know what is going on- crime or weak link in HF system- so many board members have alerted them. It's 2017, computers quite are capable of spotting anomalies, patterns and items selling far below average price. Companies worth Billions of dollhairs employ Artificial Intelligence as SOP. That, and all the CONTACT and all the FRAUD. But ebay makes fees and even some losses can have a place on a balance sheet sometimes.
Harbor Freight is a big boy, wears big boy pants. If they want to play fast and loose with their systems and allow drop-ship on non-matching billing/credit card purchases from IP addresses oversees- I say Great ! Students need case-studies to further themselves at uni.
Strap-On: If they have a gripe with HF about poached 'designs' ( I say SO is mad HF got same exact China factory to build identical item, different color and fenders), then HF wouldn't dump jacks on fleabay, but would pay royalties, licensing such as Samsung and Apple do.
I suspect somebody on the Board already looked inside his pricy SO jack and found very similar innards to Daytona jack. Hey- Daytona Jack's...sounds like a drink spot on the beach.
Bad Guys- I wonder if the target really is selling a few dozen jacks for $100, or is it it the buyer's PayPal info they are after? Free $100 from somebody scammed on a single jack sale is nice, but Paypal to the bank account is a few grand and up.
I have to say, I really enjoyed the thread, with the gradual release of information and the subsequent development of collective consciences. Fascinating.
Personal note: I have a jack in my garage that cost me more than a semi full of SO jacks- another time, perhaps.
Side Note: Forget the HF toolset, what about these? Are they stolen, or just ****????
Ebay Craftsman-$85 delivered ~~165-pc-Mechanics-Tool-Set
I read every page.I have been on eBay for 18 years. They know what is going on- crime or weak link in HF system- so many board members have alerted them. It's 2017, computers quite are capable of spotting anomalies, patterns and items selling far below average price. Companies worth Billions of dollhairs employ Artificial Intelligence as SOP. That, and all the CONTACT and all the FRAUD. But ebay makes fees and even some losses can have a place on a balance sheet sometimes.
Harbor Freight is a big boy, wears big boy pants. If they want to play fast and loose with their systems and allow drop-ship on non-matching billing/credit card purchases from IP addresses oversees- I say Great ! Students need case-studies to further themselves at uni.
Strap-On: If they have a gripe with HF about poached 'designs' ( I say SO is mad HF got same exact China factory to build identical item, different color and fenders), then HF wouldn't dump jacks on fleabay, but would pay royalties, licensing such as Samsung and Apple do.
I suspect somebody on the Board already looked inside his pricy SO jack and found very similar innards to Daytona jack. Hey- Daytona Jack's...sounds like a drink spot on the beach.
Bad Guys- I wonder if the target really is selling a few dozen jacks for $100, or is it it the buyer's PayPal info they are after? Free $100 from somebody scammed on a single jack sale is nice, but Paypal to the bank account is a few grand and up.
I have to say, I really enjoyed the thread, with the gradual release of information and the subsequent development of collective consciences. Fascinating.
Personal note: I have a jack in my garage that cost me more than a semi full of SO jacks- another time, perhaps.
Side Note: Forget the HF toolset, what about these? Are they stolen, or just ****????
Ebay Craftsman-$85 delivered ~~165-pc-Mechanics-Tool-Set
WWheeler
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I suspect it's legit. It's selling for a little more than you can buy it for with free shipping from K-Mart
http://www.kmart.com/craftsman-165-pc-mechanics-tool-set/p-010W005441923001P
I could see the seller breaking roughly even after fees from ebay but profits in whatever they earn &/or cashed in in SYW points. They might even be a 'gold' or 'platinum' member and get even more benefits and discounts from Sears.
- Nice first post BTW.
Revelations
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Finally digested the responses to the op. Guess Im grabbing 2 from HF, while they still sell them.
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EOC_Jason
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They seem to have quite a few Craftsman only item... He could be just a regular guy. He could work at the store and get an employee discount. He could be stealing them from the store. He could have bought stuff by the pallet when it went on some ridiculous clearance price or a store closed. He could be the owner and just trying to move some extra product... But the prices aren't suspicious.
On eBay I doubt they waste a penny on any AI to find fraud in pricing. They don't care, it's a game of numbers. Even if they did try to stop it, the thieves would figure out ways around the system to keep from getting flagged. Simple thing would be to list it as "used" or "new other"... How does one determine what decrease in value an item has if it's missing something from the original packaging?
bmwpowere36m3
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Finally broke out the Daytona last night... is it me or does the Daytona jack seem to require a LOT of pumps once loaded? IIRC my NAPA took much less.
FigureItOut
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I noticed the same. I attributed it to the extra weight capacity over other jacks I've owned, but it doesn't seem right. I wonder if possibly it needs bled or even fluid added, I haven't had time to mess with it at all except for an initial test lift out of the box.
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That's what I thought as well... I'd rather use my cheapo HF racing jack. Sure it takes some force, but a few pumps and the car can be on jacks.
EOC_Jason
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I bled mine, but the level seemed a little low compared to the picture. Haven't had a chance to go buy oil.
How much did you have to add in yours?
How much did you have to add in yours?
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Most of those old green Sears jacks were not China throwaways but instead were made in Japan by Yasui Corp and most if not all are so old they don't state Craftsman but instead stated Sears Roebuck on them.
Yasui made the original Norco jacks including lifetime warranted dual pump Fast Jacks too if that tells you anything there?
According to a Norco tech I spoke to at the end of 2012, Yasui had just suddenly quit making all of their under 4 ton floor jacks without notice and left Norco without any to sell overnight. So since around that time Norco jacks under 4 ton are just O-ring designed versions and are nothing like the quality they once were.
Might be wise to get kits to rebuild any you have while you still can but if you don't locate any before failures occur don't toss them out by any means.
Although he's not selling parts for now Hiball will be glad to help guide you to those jack parts and there is a great Asian jack rebuild thread he put together on this site to get you through the project whenever needed (see link).
Those green ones are the good foreign jacks, designed with pride to last owners decades unlike the China made O-ring **** today that is designed to operate well but also designed to simply be replaced in very short periods over and over and over again just to make more money off buyers.
Basic Overseas jack Rebuild:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51105
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Side Note: Forget the HF toolset, what about these? Are they stolen, or just ****????
Ebay Craftsman-$85 delivered ~~165-pc-Mechanics-Tool-Set
"****" if they are New because Craftsman is mostly made in China now. Being sold to Stanley there may be a bunch more on there too. Guys losing jobs may pack them out the back door pretty fast and list them?
So' the answer more likely is "Stolen ****".....
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An update on the Snap-on lawsuit over the design patents:
https://www.biztimes.com/2017/01/18/court-deals-blow-to-snap-on-case-against-harbor-freight/
A judge denied snap-on's request for a preliminary injunction.
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https://www.biztimes.com/2017/01/18/court-deals-blow-to-snap-on-case-against-harbor-freight/
A judge denied snap-on's request for a preliminary injunction.
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EOC_Jason
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If Snap-On is reading this, feel free to send me one of your jacks and I will visually compare the two and post my findings...
I will keep your jack as payment for my time and effort...
EDIT - Disclaimer, I do NOT work for Snap-On, neither does any of my family, or any subsidiaries they might own.
LOL
I will keep your jack as payment for my time and effort...
EDIT - Disclaimer, I do NOT work for Snap-On, neither does any of my family, or any subsidiaries they might own.
LOL
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ScottsGT
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If Snap-On is reading this, feel free to send me one of your jacks and I will visually compare the two and post my findings...
I will keep your jack as payment for my time and effort...
LOL
X2. More witnesses, the better their case.
kctyphoon
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I love this.. can't belive I never opened this thread until now..
Noticed mine definitely needed oil after the first few uses it had the "pump the handle and nothing happens for a portion of the pump" symptom. bleed and top off seems to have fixed it.
guy48065
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If HF won in court there's no longer a need to dump the jacks on eBay.
Glad to see SO failed in their lame attempt to limit competition. How stupid to patent the design of a floor jack that looks like every other jack before and since. It's like if I attempted to patent my design for a spoon. Function defines the appearance.
dnschmidt
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As a Snap-On shareholder I'm outraged. As a thinking functional human being I wonder "What were they thinking." It's a fricking floor jack, this ain't rocket science.
bubinga
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I found 2, using Google, 1,@ $269.00, and 1,@ $249.00.
OMG, there's one on Amazon for Price: $379.95.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M63ZB8C/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Edit,
Yeah, Looks like they're gone.
Odd, I DAGS, and come up, and can go to, 2 Jacks,
Search on E bay, worded just like the $249.00 jack, and only get the $269.00 one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Ton-Dayto...ty-/331963054428?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Ton-Dayto...ty-/262647552515?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
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Roberts210
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I agree about their trying to patent this particular jack, but patents ARE issued for the design elements of new inventions. Apple, for instance has a patent for the exact shape of the front of the i-phone.
kctyphoon
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To me, this is just clear evidence that displays how much snap on is willing to overcharge on the basis of their name alone - for stuff they don't even make themselves.. you clearly don't always get what you pay for with them. In this instance you're just donating money to feed the ego..
codydoss82
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Just spent my entire evening reading this thread. The girlfriend has officially gone to bed angry, and I'm laying on the couch hungry.
While reading through, I learned a great deal about the Daytonas, as well as hydraulic jacks in general. I didn't know that reading this thread would spark my interest in some older USA made jacks, but you all are definitely to blame. [emoji23]
Just wanted to tell everyone thanks for the valuable info and entertainment. This is also my first post on GJ after a month of lurking or so.
Learned more about tools and shop supplies in my month of lurking than I have in a very long time.
Thanks again guys.
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While reading through, I learned a great deal about the Daytonas, as well as hydraulic jacks in general. I didn't know that reading this thread would spark my interest in some older USA made jacks, but you all are definitely to blame. [emoji23]
Just wanted to tell everyone thanks for the valuable info and entertainment. This is also my first post on GJ after a month of lurking or so.
Learned more about tools and shop supplies in my month of lurking than I have in a very long time.
Thanks again guys.
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EOC_Jason
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Yes, this thread will never die until someone tears apart a SO jack, but that will probably never happen...
codydoss82
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While reading last night, I was so tempted to just skip to the last page and see the results. I honestly expected to see the Snappy insides. Maybe one day
Rewind97
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We can only hope.
Eventually like all lift equipment regardless of components/Brand it will need service. If I can get my hands on one I will spill the beans... As previously mentioned, My gut tells me that the only difference (with the Hydraulic unit only) will be that the Snap on advertises/uses a UCup on the Main Ram, wheris the HF cheaps out. With all that said, it's plausible since nor HF or Snap on Own this hydraulic design that outsides of the seal options available, there are a multitude of Rod finish/Fitment options available from retailers to pick from when designing there specific product.
Time will Tell...