Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[TIMI]

Hey.
I look, things have gone far. And I saw a couple of shortcomings or I did not understand something in the frame structure. The location of the state of Oklahoma, on the border with Texas. There are no snow. And on the roof will not weigh much.
And the second floor will serve as a warehouse. And on the first photos, it is shown as simply bolted to the columns.
Plus, a second-floor wall is being erected, and the question arises whether this whole beauty will not collapse.

 

[drivesitfar]

Timi: i think Andy has everything nailed (or screwed) together pretty well for his mezzanine. also his walls up there are just for holding insulation and not any structural, but he might have some shelving bolted to it.

ANDY: DRIVES SO LITTLE ?????

i know it seems like i have a lot of FREE TIME cause i have almost as many SATURDAYS as you do, but you do live about 2,000 miles from me. just saying on short notice i'd have to have some funds saved up cause all our gas stops on the way are not as cheap as yours are.

that said i still wish i could fly down and give your yellow car or farm truck a drive down the road. can the FARM TRUCK pick up guests at the airport??

i know it's killing you not to melt metal, but your new form to make a new mold seems to be working ok and I hope it works like you are designing it to.

cheers and as always it's fun to stop by and see what you have done on your SATURDAY which is usually a lot more than i do on mine.

BTW are you missing your BULL or did you already find his replacement? and how are the cows and calves today??

 

[TIMI]

Judging by the photo, it's nailed there. And based on flashing in the frame of the screwdriver, everything is screwed up with screws, I hope not by the Chinese black ones. Lapped, without tie-in to increase load.
And this word of mezzanine, frightens me very much.
Do not know how to uvas, they are used for beauty or for something easy. We have mezzanines, they use it as a dimensionless warehouse. Starting from storing bed linen to machines, bags of cement, floor tiles.

As a result, is typed. Space weight.

 

[dchance]

Andy great work. I do believe that you are one of the many that when you see a wet paint sign have to touch it and see. Had paint on my fingers many times.

Like the long running dodge. Did you like the old style because it had a resemblance to a studebaker?

Dwight

 

[oldironfarmer]

I finally took the time to catch up on your posts. Impressed! Been moving projects myself and have trashed and cleaned the shop a couple of times with no real changes but May is planned for good stuff.

My brother got to talking with a fellow in Tulsa about a car and we may be roadtripping that way soon and I thought of inflicting/visiting just to OOOH an AAAHH at stuff. I saw the post about the April 29th party but I have my big swap meet at Texas Motor Speedway that weekend.

Just come on any time. Mid-week is always better because I would not be out of town as tractor shows are Friday Saturday typically. But let me know and I can tell you if I'm going to be home.

Brother gets excited about the aluminum casting and wants to set up his own foundry. He won a bunch of awards in High School for his aluminum work and has "Ideas".

Has he done sand casting? If so, we'll let him to cast something so I can watch and learn.

I saw where you bought a couple of bridges and my sister-in-law scoffed and said she would kill us if we ever brought home a bridge! We had to remind her of the time we drug home a water slide and a train from an old amusement park.

I never bought a bridge, you must be confusing me with someone else. I did have two bridges given to me. A whole train? WOW!! All I ever managed was a dumb old caboose.

If I do head that way I will approve any "gifts" that may arrive with me...have 3 possibles already picked out. Our road trips tend to be wildly unplanned events that can be expected from a couple of guys with extra time, extra money, an empty trailer and no adult supervision.

Bruce

Gifts are always appreciated, but to keep the balance of nature you have to take something. This is assuming the gifts don't eat or reproduce.

Andy,
There is no denying the Cummins is a great engine, but wow they command a premium in the used market! Maybe I'm just getting old but don't like the thought of having to spend $10,000 on a 15 year old truck with 300,000 miles, to me that should be a $3-4,000 vehicle but I guess the market is what it is.

I thought they were $2,000 for a 94 with 300,000. But I think 12 valve, would not have a 24 valve. I offered mine for $2,500 a couple of years ago and got turned down. I wouldn't sell it now. Simon says mechanical is better than electronic!

I NEVER(Sarcasm represented by italics.) would have guessed you'd have replace a transmission on a Dodge. Keep after it and you will have the truck running by the BBQ on the 29th and just under 4 months no less. I have no room to talk.

I'm waiting on parts now

I love that line Bruce, I've been there a few times myself and it really is a fun way to travel, that is how I've brought a few things home this past year including my '57 and a truck bed for a truck I don't even own.
JB

Hey.
I look, things have gone far. And I saw a couple of shortcomings or I did not understand something in the frame structure. The location of the state of Oklahoma, on the border with Texas. There are no snow. And on the roof will not weigh much.

We can get a little snow, and a little ice. I design for six inches of wet snow as that is the most I've witnessed. It never lasts long. Local dry drifted snow of a foot or more occurs very rarely. Metal roof is pretty light even if it's not pretty.

And the second floor will serve as a warehouse. And on the first photos, it is shown as simply bolted to the columns.

The second floor is actually nailed to the columns.

Plus, a second-floor wall is being erected, and the question arises whether this whole beauty will not collapse.

The second floor wall, as Drives says below, is primarily to hold insulation and sheetrock. However I plan to build shelving onto it.

Timi: i think Andy has everything nailed (or screwed) together pretty well for his mezzanine. also his walls up there are just for holding insulation and not any structural, but he might have some shelving bolted to it.

Yes, but shelving will be nailed to it.

ANDY: DRIVES SO LITTLE ?????



You picked the name, I was just using it

i know it seems like i have a lot of FREE TIME cause i have almost as many SATURDAYS as you do, but you do live about 2,000 miles from me. just saying on short notice i'd have to have some funds saved up cause all our gas stops on the way are not as cheap as yours are.

It is a long way. While living in Leiden I had some friends planning an American Holiday. They were going to fly into SF, drive to Yellowstone (not Yosemite) then take in the Grand Canyon and on to LA before flying out of San Diego all in a week. And Europeans don't do windshield vacations like Americans do, they stop and take in the local color. I said "ever driven to Moscow? What you're planning is farther, and a LOT of desolate desert in between with few places to stop." They started to look a mileage and scaled back their plans, they had just been looking at the map like they were going to Berlin then Vienna and back. And then there's Australia.

that said i still wish i could fly down and give your yellow car or farm truck a drive down the road. can the FARM TRUCK pick up guests at the airport??

The Show Truck could, but if I take it into a city we probably would be explaining to some nice officer how it somehow is legal. But my avatar car can do as well but without suspicion.

i know it's killing you not to melt metal, but your new form to make a new mold seems to be working ok and I hope it works like you are designing it to.

I melted aluminum when a friend showed up yesterday but I didn't tell you. I wanted the sympathy...

cheers and as always it's fun to stop by and see what you have done on your SATURDAY which is usually a lot more than i do on mine.

BTW are you missing your BULL or did you already find his replacement? and how are the cows and calves today??

Thanks for the kind words. The cows are doing fine, no bull. Calves are growing. I called the old man I've been buying bulls from (in his eighties, every time I call I fear I'll get news of his demise) and he said "come on down, I'll fix you right up." I have to wait until I can take my son in law. He is the old cowboy and I'm the novice. He likes to pick out the bulls. And he does a good job but this guy has no second class bulls. We mostly look for demeanor. If I can walk up to them as a stranger then they pass the test.

Judging by the photo, it's nailed there. And based on flashing in the frame of the screwdriver, everything is screwed up with screws, I hope not by the Chinese black ones. Lapped, without tie-in to increase load.

Sorry, I didn't understand "flashing in the frame of the screwdriver" but we use coated nails for timber connections, and screws for metal to wood, black screws we use to hold up the sheetrock (drywall).

And this word of mezzanine, frightens me very much.
Do not know how to uvas, they are used for beauty or for something easy. We have mezzanines, they use it as a dimensionless warehouse. Starting from storing bed linen to machines, bags of cement, floor tiles.

As a result, is typed. Space weight.

My thinking goes like this: 5x5 treated poles are good for at least 9,000 pounds, wind load, snow load, and weight of roof for Oklahoma are reasonably estimated at 30 pounds per square foot (and I am going to insulate). This puts a load of 6,750 pounds on each intermediate column. The mezzanine deck only I am estimating at 20 pounds per square foot live and dead, half of which is on the columns, and the shelving I am estimating at 35 pounds per square foot of each shelf, and there will be four shelves and the floor under the shelves, all at 35. This adds 2,080 pounds to each intermediate column for a total of 8,830.

I think the 9,000 pound capacity is conservative, and so I don't mind using up the capacity. Also the snow and wind loading occur occasionally. And I really doubt I will have 280 pounds on 8 ft of shelf. More like 50 pounds average. Storage is for miscellaneous car parts and extra tools.

Now the bad news. Full mezzanine loading puts 200 pounds of shear in each of the nails. While they will probably hold that, a little more reinforcement might be nice. I was thinking of lapping the column with a 2x6. I would like the 2x6 to bear on the concrete below because I am unsure of the soil capacity under the column foot. However, my shop that burned down in 1989 had a 26 ft wide slab which the new building straddles. So there is a 2 foot wide strip of concrete down the side of the building. The strip has no reinforcement and is not on solid compacted fill. Good news is that there is shallow rock under the columns and they have been in place for 25 years or so. A little more good news is that the mezzanine adds lateral support to columns which were installed as 16 foot columns unguided in one direction. The mezzanine makes a very nice flange to keep the columns from buckling in any direction.

While my reasoning may not allay your fears it's what I am going with (since I don't drink alcohol I have to have excitement in my life somehow). The foundation is the weak link, and the foundation will stand momentary overloads better than the columns.

Andy great work. I do believe that you are one of the many that when you see a wet paint sign have to touch it and see. Had paint on my fingers many times.

Thank you. I am a bit curious. But I try to determine without actually getting paint on my fingers. Like using my knife

Like the long running dodge. Did you like the old style because it had a resemblance to a studebaker?

Dwight

Yep, and a 50 Chevy.

Thanks for stopping in guys! I love the good comments!

 

[oldironfarmer]

North wall was was insulated last night!

I spent most of my shop time cleaning up thumbup to move scaffolding so the help can keep insulating and sheetrocking. But I did get another section of furnace tile poured.

I took the boards off the top but somebody thump me if I pull the forms early and break this one.

And I found an old disc to be the bottom of the furnace. I guess this is not a good picture, the disc is dished, I have others and may use another as a top form to give the floor a dish. I would like to have a hole in the bottom so I can melt items with steel in them and let the aluminum run out the bottom hole. Then later I can put a plinth over the hole and set a crucible on it.

Thanks again for looking in!!

 

[TIMI]

And you are a joker.

(since I don't drink alcohol I have to have excitement in my life somehow

)

I have a neighbor of 60 years. And he is so worried about life That he built the house in two floors, Banya and began in her internal decoration.

Thank you for the clarification. And my fears, about the load were confirmed. And what will be there, keep.
And as we have. Also load a lot and even more auto parts.

As for me, I would be reinsured. Framed 2x6 to relieve the load from the column of the main building (garage) and that would not be happy with mezzanine.
And as they say. We follow the movement.

 

[egnorant]

Well, the car deal fell through so no road trip...yet!

My brother would talk your ear off about casting stuff. I just mentioned it to him and he was off on a 15 minute tutorial on "Hot molds" "mid pours" 50 different formulas of aluminum and how sand recipes are as varied as dough recipes. Are ya makin' crackers, bread or cake?

Gift are a varied lot! You know how some people get together and shell peas or make quilts? Around here we pull up a bit of rusted inventory and attack with tools to divide it into sell, throw away, scrap or give away. Thus gift 1 might be a few hundred pounds of aluminum.

In consideration for gift 2 is just a big chunk of steel.

Dog not included...maybe!??!

This is a prime example of making a stupid offer (5% of asking price). I should just shut up and walk away sometimes.

Gift 3 is a warehouse rolling stairs thing. It got bumped by a forklift and safety guy said replace it while my brother was nearby. You know how the conversation goes! "You really gonna just scrap it?" Yadda, Yadda, Yadda...
Sure I have no place to use it but it just had a bent hand rail and...I am sure you understand.

Bruce

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: i like Tim's suggestion of adding 2x6 supports under both sides of your MEZZANINE. i've seen bathroom floors with heavy tile on them move nails out of floor joists and not a pretty site if they completely fail especially if you might happen to be walking up there looking for something at the time.

so melting and pouring aluminum and no pictures or talk about it? i guess it might have been a dream cause you know without pictures it didn't really happen.

best of luck with the new bull if you pick up one soon.

he'll be the lucky one cause you are giving him 3 squares and a bunch of happy cows to play with.

 

[krcoomer]

I will add a third to Drives and Tim on giving it a little extra support. They might start fracking and cause another fracking earthquake. You might look at the Simpson Strongtie catalog to see what they offer then look through the iron pile and find something to make your own gussets.

 

[oldironfarmer]

And you are a joker.

I have a neighbor of 60 years. And he is so worried about life That he built the house in two floors, Banya and began in her internal decoration.

Thank you for the clarification. And my fears, about the load were confirmed. And what will be there, keep.
And as we have. Also load a lot and even more auto parts.

As for me, I would be reinsured. Framed 2x6 to relieve the load from the column of the main building (garage) and that would not be happy with mezzanine.
And as they say. We follow the movement.

Thanks for the advice! I will consider adding support. However a 4x4 mid span and against the wall may be more cost effective and spread the load into the soil.

Well, the car deal fell through so no road trip...yet!

My brother would talk your ear off about casting stuff. I just mentioned it to him and he was off on a 15 minute tutorial on "Hot molds" "mid pours" 50 different formulas of aluminum and how sand recipes are as varied as dough recipes. Are ya makin' crackers, bread or cake?

Gift are a varied lot! You know how some people get together and shell peas or make quilts? Around here we pull up a bit of rusted inventory and attack with tools to divide it into sell, throw away, scrap or give away. Thus gift 1 might be a few hundred pounds of aluminum.

In consideration for gift 2 is just a big chunk of steel.

Dog not included...maybe!??!

This is a prime example of making a stupid offer (5% of asking price). I should just shut up and walk away sometimes.

Gift 3 is a warehouse rolling stairs thing. It got bumped by a forklift and safety guy said replace it while my brother was nearby. You know how the conversation goes! "You really gonna just scrap it?" Yadda, Yadda, Yadda...
Sure I have no place to use it but it just had a bent hand rail and...I am sure you understand.

Bruce

Aluminum

Is that a piston? That might make somebody a nice anvil. Your "stupid offer" reminded me of my buddy Tom. He went to a heavy equipment auction for his company. He was a young engineer. He was there to bid on something like a bucket. He watched the bulldozers sell over and over for $50,000 to $90,000. Thought he would have some fun and get in on the action so he bid the opening bid on a bulldozer at $21,000. Nobody else bid, he was major worried. he didn't have the personal money but he had a valid bid number for his company so his bid was for real. At the last moment somebody jumped in with a $22,000 bid. He had no idea what was wrong with the tractor but he never ever again bid on something he did not expect to buy.

Rolling stair: Hmmm, might work with my mezzanine while giving me something to jump to when the floor falls.

Andy: i like Tim's suggestion of adding 2x6 supports under both sides of your MEZZANINE. i've seen bathroom floors with heavy tile on them move nails out of floor joists and not a pretty site if they completely fail especially if you might happen to be walking up there looking for something at the time.

I'm thinking I'll have a stair to jump to Really no reason for more support over the 4x4's. 2x6 support on the wall column would be a given if I had confidence in the integrity of the concrete below.

so melting and pouring aluminum and no pictures or talk about it? i guess it might have been a dream cause you know without pictures it didn't really happen.

I figured more muffins are not very exciting

best of luck with the new bull if you pick up one soon.

he'll be the lucky one cause you are giving him 3 squares and a bunch of happy cows to play with.

I will add a third to Drives and Tim on giving it a little extra support. They might start fracking and cause another fracking earthquake. You might look at the Simpson Strongtie catalog to see what they offer then look through the iron pile and find something to make your own gussets.

I appreciate the concern, but I really believe soil loading is the weak point.

I'm pretty familiar with joist hangers. I do use them in critical locations.

Of course for fracking earthquakes, like truck frames, one needs to remember to allow flexibility to survive.

And, these shelves are just not for concentration of heavy items.

Thanks for the visits, guys!

No shop time today

 

[TIMI]

If there are concerns about the soil and the foundation (floor). There is a small alternative. For uniform unloading on the soil and foundation. And I understood at the first etoyzhe. The walls will also be plastered. And so two in one: a uniform weight distribution and a ready-made frame.

 

[oldironfarmer]

If there are concerns about the soil and the foundation (floor). There is a small alternative. For uniform unloading on the soil and foundation. And I understood at the first etoyzhe. The walls will also be plastered. And so two in one: a uniform weight distribution and a ready-made frame.

In this case I don't intend to insulate or dry wall. The other side of that wall is both insulated and finished. I agree spreading the load over a wall would be preferable. I would prefer to not diminish usable space in the room by taking away the thickness of a wall. The wall as described would be almost 8 inches thick. Very well done drawings, by the way

If I felt the need to add support, I would likely cut the floor and excavate down to rock (a couple of feet) and refill the hole with concrete. Then probably install a steel screw support to hold the 2x6 beam. That would help support the original column load as well. I'll see what I wind up putting on the shelves, and then add support if it appears the shelves are going to be heavily loaded.

You do have me thinking more seriously about it. More for future owners than for myself. My expectations is that I am 33% to the loading on the columns however the 2x6 wall on the opposite side of this wall is attached to this wall and is very well supported on reinforced concrete. I suppose I could attach it more securely in the attic of the adjacent room.

Thanks for the concern and for the comments!

 

[oldironfarmer]

This morning I had to go to the lumber yard to get a few more studs for the front wall. I have to build it tomorrow because the sheetrock finishers are coming Monday afternoon. Spent all day hospital visiting after lunch with friends. But I did have a chance to pull the forms off the furnace tile.

New one is on the near side. I am getting better, I really need to let the refractory cure before attempting to pull the forms. The last one needs a port for the burner, so I have to make a pattern for that. The flame should enter the furnace tangentially.

 

[larry_g]

As for me, I would be reinsured. Framed 2x6 to relieve the load from the column of the main building (garage) and that would not be happy with mezzanine.
And as they say. We follow the movement.

In post #11 of my build thread, link below, you will see this block detail in action.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[dchance]

Andy you are getting better on your pours. That last one looks really good. Are you getting better at waiting?

Dwight

 

[oldironfarmer]

In post #11 of my build thread, link below, you will see this block detail in action.

lg
no neat sig line

That's it!

That kind of looks like the support I put under a 2x10 across the shop on my first mezzanine.

I actually nailed mine up to support the board while I set the other end on a freestanding 4x4.

My problem with supports like that is they are very hard to get installed tight. And if they are not tight the joint has to fail slightly in order for them to start supporting. Once nails have been withdrawn a little they have lost most of their capability. So the second support must be designed to hold the full load. And, again, in my case, the weak link is the pole support in the soil. Belts and suspenders above that don't help overall load carrying capacity. Remember this is only a 4 ft wide walkway and 30" of it must be left open to access the shelving.

Thanks for posting!

Andy you are getting better on your pours. That last one looks really good. Are you getting better at waiting?

Dwight

Thank you

No.

I'm still pretty keen to get the wood off and see how it did. Part of getting better at pouring is having the slats ready to hold the mud as the form fills. the biggest part is not tearing up the casting trying to look at it too soon.

Thanks for stopping by!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Our iris are in full bloom, I can't resist posting a couple of pictures

But my flower bed has not been planted! I cleaned out and am going with an all volunteer flower bed this year.

We'll have petunias and marigolds. That's a buckeye tree by the sidewalk. I planted a seed there several years ago and when it did well I transplanted it. Did not get all the roots so I'll try again this fall and then kill the remainder.

This is my ugly corner, finally cleaned out and getting sheetrock. I only have two shop brooms so I took one from inventory today and started using it.

Here's the corner when I was supporting the header from through the wall

Framed, insulated and ready for rock. The old IH freezer has not moved.

I really need to do something with the freezer. I just have no use for it. Ran when parked!

Thanks for stopping in, and everyone have a happy Easter!

 

[dlcwent]

"My thinking goes like this: 5x5 treated poles are good for at least 9,000 pounds, wind load, snow load, and weight of roof for Oklahoma are reasonably estimated at 30 pounds per square foot (and I am going to insulate). This puts a load of 6,750 pounds on each intermediate column. The mezzanine deck only I am estimating at 20 pounds per square foot live and dead, half of which is on the columns, and the shelving I am estimating at 35 pounds per square foot of each shelf, and there will be four shelves and the floor under the shelves, all at 35. This adds 2,080 pounds to each intermediate column for a total of 8,830.

I think the 9,000 pound capacity is conservative, and so I don't mind using up the capacity. Also the snow and wind loading occur occasionally. And I really doubt I will have 280 pounds on 8 ft of shelf. More like 50 pounds average. Storage is for miscellaneous car parts and extra tools."

You sound like some kind of engineer.

Way too much thought going into that. I prefer to do things without a plan and learn from my mistakes.( It keeps life interesting and I don't run out of things to do that way)

The Irises look great. Ours won't bloom for a while.

I like your ugly corner and am looking forward to see how much stuff you fill it with. ( Oh that's right, you're cleaning up your shop.)

Andy, what you've done looks great. You would be hard to keep up with from dawn to dusk.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Thanks for the visit, Dan!

I am some kind of engineer, a very poor one! As we all know good engineers design over the top and then add some more safety factor. I really would have not gone into the details, but I was asked...

Iris is my kind of flower: extremely low maintenance. And they look nice for several days.

I AM cleaning up my shop. Did you read I'm considering getting rid of my prize freezer made by my tractor manufacturer? Did you see how clean my new foundry room has become? OK, let's not go there...

Glad to have you stop in!

 

[egnorant]

Is that a piston? That might make somebody a nice anvil. Your "stupid offer" reminded me of my buddy Tom. He went to a heavy equipment auction for his company. He was a young engineer. He was there to bid on something like a bucket. He watched the bulldozers sell over and over for $50,000 to $90,000. Thought he would have some fun and get in on the action so he bid the opening bid on a bulldozer at $21,000. Nobody else bid, he was major worried. he didn't have the personal money but he had a valid bid number for his company so his bid was for real. At the last moment somebody jumped in with a $22,000 bid. He had no idea what was wrong with the tractor but he never ever again bid on something he did not expect to buy.

I often throw out that stupid cheap bid and sometimes win. I also know the terror of praying for someone to outbid me. The piston was a shocker because I did offer 10% expecting to get brushed off when she quickly agreed and I realized I owned a 250 pound chunk of metal, 15 minutes before I had to be at work (delivering pizza) and I was driving an ******! A couple of auctioneers call me "5 dollars".

Bruce

 

[bolensboneyard]

Our iris are in full bloom, I can't resist posting a couple of pictures

But my flower bed has not been planted! I cleaned out and am going with an all volunteer flower bed this year.

We'll have petunias and marigolds. That's a buckeye tree by the sidewalk. I planted a seed there several years ago and when it did well I transplanted it. Did not get all the roots so I'll try again this fall and then kill the remainder.

This is my ugly corner, finally cleaned out and getting sheetrock. I only have two shop brooms so I took one from inventory today and started using it.

Here's the corner when I was supporting the header from through the wall

Framed, insulated and ready for rock. The old IH freezer has not moved.

I really need to do something with the freezer. I just have no use for it. Ran when parked!

Thanks for stopping in, and everyone have a happy Easter!

Andy have a Happy Easter love your Irises. How many hours of full sun do they need a day?

 

[realvc]

When I was a very young kid my parents bought a chest freezer that came stocked with food. It was some kind of sales program. Anyway I think it was an International Harvester freezer.

I was born in 1950 so I think it before 1956 or I would have been in school when it was delivered.

Is that too much info. that no one cares or wants to know about? I got tons more if not.

Happy Easter to you too.

 

[power wagon]

When I was a very young kid my parents bought a chest freezer that came stocked with food. It was some kind of sales program. Anyway I think it was an International Harvester freezer.

I was born in 1950 so I think it before 1956 or I would have been in school when it was delivered.

Is that too much info. that no one cares or wants to know about? I got tons more if not.

Happy Easter to you too.

lol happy easter to you also

 

[oldironfarmer]

I often throw out that stupid cheap bid and sometimes win. I also know the terror of praying for someone to outbid me. The piston was a shocker because I did offer 10% expecting to get brushed off when she quickly agreed and I realized I owned a 250 pound chunk of metal, 15 minutes before I had to be at work (delivering pizza) and I was driving an ******! A couple of auctioneers call me "5 dollars".

Bruce

Great story on the piston! I've bought a few things pretty cheap but not 20% of asking.

I don't know that I've ever bid on something that I was hoping someone out bid me. I know my friend did. One time I went to a farm auction to buy a Farmall H. They stopped the auction at noon to sell the 185 acre farm. Usual is to stop the bidding to consult with the sellers. That makes people nervous thinking that maybe the seller is going to take the high bid. They never do, it's a ploy, but it does liven up the bidding. Our county sheriff was the high bidder. While we were waiting he walked over to me and said "why don't you take me out?" I hadn't gone to buy a farm and told him so. He started telling me what a good deal it was, $885 per acre at that point, with two barns and a three bedroom house. And he really wanted someone else to buy it. So I bid, and got it at $1,043/acre. Called my wife, told her "well, I bought the farm". You can't imagine how excited that made her!

No problem getting a loan at that price. It saved my bacon that summer as we were in a drought and I got enough hay from that farm to carry me through. Although I've sold most of it I still have 95 acres which includes all the hay meadows and all my hay has come form them for several years.

It was a good deal.

Andy have a Happy Easter love your Irises. How many hours of full sun do they need a day?

Happy Easter! I don't know, they are pretty shade tolerant, everything tolerant. If you look to the left in the one picture you can see them clustered around a tree. Every few years you dig the bulbs, split them, throw away rotted ones, and rinse in a mild bleach bath. My mother in law threw her leftovers across the road and they established there. You can see lots of my bulbs and we had -25F a few years ago. They all survived.

When I was a very young kid my parents bought a chest freezer that came stocked with food. It was some kind of sales program. Anyway I think it was an International Harvester freezer.

I was born in 1950 so I think it before 1956 or I would have been in school when it was delivered.

Is that too much info. that no one cares or wants to know about? I got tons more if not.

Happy Easter to you too.

Not too much information! Happy Easter!!

lol happy easter to you also

Happy Easter!!

Thanks for dropping in, and for the comments!

 

[oldironfarmer]

I guess I need to replace this tire. Last year I parked the worn spot down and there was grass growing between the plys when I went to use it. It looks better now, but maybe it's time. Still, it's holding air...

It's on my field sprayer, and never gets towed behind the truck, just a tractor at no more than 20 mph.

The other tire is not much better but is not losing big pieces of tire yet. While I've got it around at the shop I may just change both of them.

Spent a little shop time today!

Put up the drywall so the finishers can finish it, starting Monday.

Put a little window in it for an A/C.

Moving stuff for the finishers I ran across an old 36" pipe wrench. I've had it for years, but have an aluminum one so I've never needed this one. It has, however, been used, notice it has been welded right through the name.

How do you break a Rigid 36" pipe wrench? The same way you break a 48" one, you get a good bite with it, put a cheater on it, and if the joint won't budge you grab the cheater with a backhoe bucket and pull while a couple of guys beat the daylights out of the joint. Something will give. This old wrench has seen some action but it is still serviceable. Good repair, by the way.

I carried some stuff upstairs and shot a picture of my existing shelves.

Pretty sure they are not loaded over 30 lbs per square foot. No, I can't let it go.

Got the entire wall cleaned out for the finishers.

I haven't seen this in years! Here's a recent view.

There was a LOT of junk there. And 90% of it is in the middle of the room now.

Started measuring for installing the overhead door and got nostalgic about the old sliding doors. They were installed about 25 years ago and I have fought to open and close them every year since. Here's the post connection that held up to years of wind.

16 ft high doors will flex 8 to 10 inches during wind gusts. A bit scary if you're inside. Tamper resistant center hook. Plate steel inside and angle iron out keeps the doors aligned.

The bottom three feet of each door has been cracked, the far one reinforced with angle iron. The near one needs it but they should come down within two weeks.

I'm glad to see them go but a little sad as well.

Thanks for dropping in

 

[Bob Heine]

I guess I need to replace this tire. Last year I parked the worn spot down and there was grass growing between the plys when I went to use it. It looks better now, but maybe it's time. Still, it's holding air...

Andy, way back I rotated them when they got that worn. Sadly, you don't have a second axle. If they aren't directional radials, you should be able to swap them side-to-side. Good for a couple more weeks....

 

[BUGTHUG]

I'm sure you will find a new use for them

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, let me know when you have finished mudding your dry wall. I would like to have a go at sanding it..

 

[dlcwent]

Okay, Bob beat me to it. I'll just add that I don't change a tire until I have to blow it up every five minutes. That's when it has ended being efficient. (And of coarse I've already added a can of "fix a flat" to it)

I have to ask if you are serious about the door flexing 8-10 inches in a wind storm? That would scare the s&%t out of me.

They just don't make tools like they used to. A cheater and a backhoe is all it took to break it

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, way back I rotated them when they got that worn. Sadly, you don't have a second axle. If they aren't directional radials, you should be able to swap them side-to-side. Good for a couple more weeks....

Fortunately these are bias ply. My son recently had a shop refuse to repair a tire because it was over ten years old. I'm in trouble.

You make a good point. It takes me a couple of days to spray each year, so if I can get a couple of weeks out of them that might equate to fours years in dog years.

I'm sure you will find a new use for them

The last resort, of course, is erosion control...

Andy, let me know when you have finished mudding your dry wall. I would like to have a go at sanding it..

All RIGHT

oh, my wife says you're not serious.

Okay, Bob beat me to it. I'll just add that I don't change a tire until I have to blow it up every five minutes. That's when it has ended being efficient. (And of coarse I've already added a can of "fix a flat" to it)

I have to ask if you are serious about the door flexing 8-10 inches in a wind storm? That would scare the s&%t out of me.

They just don't make tools like they used to. A cheater and a backhoe is all it took to break it

A tire like this is formally called a "may pop" for those not in the tire business.

You guys have inspired me. Maybe these tires are good for a couple of more years. There is a bit of a load when I get 300 gallons of chemical in the tank. A little over a tonne. I turned the sprayer over one time. Spraying a hillside for a friend, no baffle in the tank, and as the level got down the fluid started sloshing which I didn't notice as I was busy avoiding gullies and rocks. It flipped on a turn and tore up the drawbar or I wouldn't be here.

I'm dead serious about the door flexing. Maybe it's just six inches, I haven't put a micrometer on it. But with 60 mph gusts it looks like it is coming in and going to spray splinters all over you. Might be a good video if i can catch it in the next couple of weeks, the roar of the wind and groaning of the wood. The fact that the 2x4's are turned their weak direction probably has made it long lasting, it flexes rather than breaks. I've gained a bit of confidence over the years but it still scares me and I move away from it unless the job is worth dying for.

I wasn't there when the pipe wrench was broken, but I know how tools get abused to get the job done. My son in law has told be about breaking wellheads loose with his backhoe. And when he helps me he comes up with a way to get it done with what we have. He doesn't need a tire machine, he breaks beads with his outrigger and bucket.

I may like old tools too much.

Thanks again for the kind comments and many visits!

 

[jbmatth]

Another use for those tires when they are ready for retirement would be like my grandfather used to use his for...stump removal, that with a little used motor oil, and a little gas to set it all off at sunset and no more stumps to worry about. Just don't set the forest ablaze. LOL
JB

 

[BUGTHUG]

I think the doors would make a good roof for protection to keep the weather off of the COE, or some implement. Maybe put the two together in an A shape to put the mow deck under, or to cover something out in the yard!
Just my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

 

[jimreed2160]

I think the doors would make a good roof for protection to keep the weather off of the COE, or some implement. Maybe put the two together in an A shape to put the mow deck under, or to cover something out in the yard!
Just my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Please hold back on those opinions. Andy's mind moves quickly enough as is. Next thing you know, he will put up another building and say it was "just because I have these extra doors, you know."

 

[BUGTHUG]

I'm sure, he has a partner in crime now and can justify starting more projects. But its for the followers own good

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: part of the reason you are able to buy a hot rod or put up a building whenever you wish to is because you learned at a very very young age to get more use out of tires than most of us. WELL DONE!!

also i bet those doors are not going to waste and maybe while you are waiting to find a permanent spot for them maybe they'll make a great wall on the foundry for those windy days.

cheer and always a pleasure reading how you explain your reasons for anything that anybody questions or dis agrees with.

 

[shortykorte]

Mezzanine, a bridge, and crane; did you stop by my shop and didn't tell me?
Look forward to see how your crane turns out. My little hobbled together crane has been a big help to me getting stuff up/down from the mezzanine.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Another use for those tires when they are ready for retirement would be like my grandfather used to use his for...stump removal, that with a little used motor oil, and a little gas to set it all off at sunset and no more stumps to worry about. Just don't set the forest ablaze. LOL
JB

Nice idea, but I don't like the wire left behind It seems to take several years to rust away.

I think the doors would make a good roof for protection to keep the weather off of the COE, or some implement. Maybe put the two together in an A shape to put the mow deck under, or to cover something out in the yard!
Just my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Thanks for your opinion! You have got me to thinking. They would make a fine sunshade for cattle or equipment. Now if I just had a pipe frame to put them on...

Please hold back on those opinions. Andy's mind moves quickly enough as is. Next thing you know, he will put up another building and say it was "just because I have these extra doors, you know."

Opinions are like armholes, every shirt has one.

I'm sure, he has a partner in crime now and can justify starting more projects. But its for the followers own good

I'm just not getting as much done, except for watching my helper work. It sure is relaxing.

Andy: part of the reason you are able to buy a hot rod or put up a building whenever you wish to is because you learned at a very very young age to get more use out of tires than most of us. WELL DONE!!

also i bet those doors are not going to waste and maybe while you are waiting to find a permanent spot for them maybe they'll make a great wall on the foundry for those windy days.

cheer and always a pleasure reading how you explain your reasons for anything that anybody questions or dis agrees with.

Actually being cheap is an inherited trait. Sadly my brother did not inherit it. He has enjoyed life instead but now he does not have tons (literally) of supplies he does not need like I do

I am afraid I would offend our friends in China if I erected my own great wall. I have thought about making some windbreaks for the foundry area but only about three or four feet high to insure maximum ventilation.

Thanks for your kind words. After doing project work for many years I believe that if you can't explain why you are doing something then you may not be doing it well, or even right. Some questions by a seeming novice in the field will highlight a problem area which had not been considered. In reality, you can learn something from everyone. Even those who you don't respect from previous experience still have something to offer you if you will only listen. Your mother in law may have surprisingly good suggestions regarding your business. In addition, the person offering advice may know so little that most of their advice is dead wrong but there is still a nugget to be retained. On this venue we have people from very diverse backgrounds, some with pertinent experience and some with irrelevant experience. And many from different cultures with different native tongues. Their use of English may seem a bit stilted to us but my use of their native tongue is so much worse. Bottom line: everyone has something to offer so we each need to listen when they take the time to speak. Thanks for noticing!

More than one way to skin a cat: A common phrase, but it took me many years to realize what is being said is that there is more than one right way to do anything. And when your normal way of doing it is failing you need to pay attention to those who would do it completely differently. Lots of people fiercely defend they way they were taught even though there may be an acceptable alternative which is superior under current conditions. Many times it is based on perspective. What is the best way to get out of a car? Many think opening a door is the only way. They drown in their failure to adapt to changing situations when they fail to kick out the rear window as their car is sinking into the lake.

Thanks for the visits, guys!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

I turned 17 for the fourth time today!

Plenty of money, a loving wife, some nice hot rods, plenty of tools, and a nice shop to work in. What more could a 17 year old boy ask for?

My only shortcoming is I need more tractors.

My son was coming up and he wanted to drive the purple car (1935 Chevy). The brakes are poor and the car is quick so I tried to add brake fluid to the reservoir. It apparently has an old Corvette master brake cylinder, everything including booster is under the floor. I have to pull the driver's seat to add fluid. But I saw the adjustable brake push rod was severely bent. Making the pedal bottom out early.

Rod is stainless steel, bolt is 5/16". I think the bolt was just too small so I welded a 3/8" bolt to the clevis, drilled out the rod and welded a nut to it (all with E309) and adjusted for full pedal travel.

Sorry, only now I see the subject is out of focus. The welds look better this way anyway

My son, a grandson, my sister and her husband came up to visit and we all drove to have great Mexican food.

Separate cars.

It was a great birthday!

Thanks for stopping in!!

 

[rmack898]

Happy birthday Andy.