Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[oldironfarmer]

Andy: sorry to hear you are still having issues with your PB pictures and now again with GJ's album. like i mentioned i solved my issues by just downloading up to 7 pictures per post and even though they are not full size they will stay on GJ's site as long as GJ is alive.

wow those idiots actually ran their car/truck into your bounty hunter's truck/car? sorry to hear that even in your area the guys that think stealing is easier than working are around.

i know FARMS and FARMING WILL BE POPULAR AGAIN and some of us are now realizing that growing our own food not only tastes so much better we actually know it doesn't have some strange chemicals on it or some growth hormones.

we're actually looking at property, but we have to do more research on what the deer and other critters don't like or how to protect our garden or crops so we can actually eat some.

best of luck with the new compressor set up that you are modifying to hold more air. be careful taking that heavy tank up any stairs or do you have a lift for that.

Well, I've been downloading "up to seven pictures per post" but that stopped working for me today. I was not resizing them before downloading but resizing has allowed me to download, at least for now.

Actually, they got their right front A-arm hung up on a power line guy wire. Then they dropped the driveshaft trying to get it loose. People are pretty honest all over, just a few bad apples, also everywhere, which is why we have locks on our doors. I think drugs are largely to blame, but thieves have been with us through history. I have a friend that sells drugs. You wouldn't know it just meeting her, a nice clean cut girl.

I did not know farms were no longer popular. Around here we say "if you eat, you are engaged in agriculture". While I believe our food supply is pretty safe, it is reassuring to know exactly what has been put on it. On the other hand, when you try to grow food, you learn a bit of what farmers are up against. It's a little harder than most people think to grow perfectly shaped apples and tomatoes. We reject defects at the grocery which we ignore from our gardens. Try growing the kind of carrots you can buy. It is tough. And those perfectly shaped ears of corn. Big ones. And they do it on thousands of acres. It does take chemicals, but also lots of skill and, to some extent, luck. And a can of premium corn is 98 cents. How can they do that? And they are up against the deer, whiteflies, ants, mold, rust, and a thousand other potential crop destroyers. We should all be amazed at what our farmers can do.

Off my soapbox.

Thanks for listening.

Best of luck on your property search. I love having no neighbors close by.

Anything over 100# I treat like it weighs 1,000# and just can't be hustled without equipment. Tank probably weighs 200# or more. So chains and hoists make the job safe if it is rigged right.

Thanks for the visit! I enjoyed responding

 

[oldironfarmer]

Part 2

Rigged the hook to the vessel

End of Part 2

 

[oldironfarmer]

Part 3

The floor above and the stairs below were in the way of lifting the vessel vertically. So I lifted slowly and let it roll and start up. It was also rubbing on the cabinet.

Then I felt a little resistance. A foot was caught on the stairs

Eased it off and came up free of the cabinet, hanging vertically now

Now it is straight up and easy. But I don't think I have enough lift and will have to chain it off and rehook the hoist.

But I got lucky, had a half inch to spare

Put the removable floor panel back in, lowered the vessel and slid it toward it's final home.

I have a little cleaning to do to get it into the corner. Go figure. But at least it is out of the way in the shop floor

Thanks for dropping in. My internet connection is really slow. I think that is the source of my GJ download problems. We'll see!

 

[Grumblebum]

I'm sure that clean cut girl is the one that gives medicine to your cows also

Or perhaps not

Property purchase here is a bit crazy. I'm not up on any changes for a while, but there is normally a cooling off period first then a standard 6 week or so settlement period.

Some light reading if you are curious.

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/f...s/Buying_property/Contracts_and_deposits.page

Saturday is almost over.

GB

 

[BUGTHUG]

Hey Grumblebum, I know where there is some property for sale. Its some ocean front property, in OKLAHOMA. You could be neighbors with Andy, and make friends with a clean cut girl, that can help to change your life.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I'm sure that clean cut girl is the one that gives medicine to your cows also

Or perhaps not

Property purchase here is a bit crazy. I'm not up on any changes for a while, but there is normally a cooling off period first then a standard 6 week or so settlement period.

Some light reading if you are curious.

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/f...s/Buying_property/Contracts_and_deposits.page

Saturday is almost over.

GB

Actually she sells drugs to make people feel better. I try to stay away from them.

Cooling off period plus a 6 week settlement period?

That just would never work out for me. I like to buy a house and have it sold and occupied before the lethargic seller can get around to closing the sale to me. I always get their permission, and rent from them, then rent to my buyer and apply the rent against their mortgage. Not had one fail yet. Our government foreclosures can take some time. I even bought one house out of foreclosure that stipulated I could not sell it for six months after I bought it. Why in God's green earth would you care whether the buyer sold something if you are so inept you can't get market price for it when you sell it? I did buy it and I did rent it out for six months.

Hey Grumblebum, I know where there is some property for sale. Its some ocean front property, in OKLAHOMA. You could be neighbors with Andy, and make friends with a clean cut girl, that can help to change your life.

It's not exactly ocean front, but it adjoins property which adjoins property which is ocean front. Eventually.

Sounds like a grand idea, and no credit check, low down payment, quick move in and easy monthly payments!

Line forms on the right.

 

[oldironfarmer]

After closing in my main shop room I've been thinking about ventilation. After welding on the sign posts I thought more

Looked for an inexpensive fan, but what I found was a stainless vent hood for $110, shipping included. It came pretty quickly and I'm surprised how well it is made. It has a 400 CFM fan which theoretically will change the air in teh room in 35 minutes. I think that will be suitable. The control panel is on the front of the hood and it needs to mount at almost 8 feet off the ground so I have to either rig up remote switches or relocate the control panel. I removed the controls and they will relocate but I can't get the panel face out of the hood.

The switches are non-touch, you wave your finger a few mm from the spring and the unit will activate even without the glass cover. I was surprised and pleased.

The sheetrock stand proud of the support beam so the beam got a plywood shim to space the hood out.

Cut a hole through the wall for the vent into the mezzanine area

 

[oldironfarmer]

A lot nicer looking exhaust fan than I would have bought.

Used the new shear/brake to make a 20 gauge box to fit the hood control panel. It could have been made of wood, but I need practice on sheet metal and it is fire resistant.

Welded up the corners (don't have my TIG rig going yet so I had to gas weld it). Painted it, and while the paint was drying I got back on the kiln control. Cut a hole in the back of the control box and made a bracket to hold the heat sink outside of the box and a fan to cool the heat sink.

 

[oldironfarmer]

The heat sink mount will also duct the fan flow.

I learned about a new tool today. Step drills. I've seen them for years but never had one. Bought a set at HF for sheet metal work.

What I didn't know was how nice it is to deburr from the other side. Works like a charm!

Control box welded and painted.

Thanks for looking in!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, top job yet again, the fan looks fantastic...

Regards

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, top job yet again, the fan looks fantastic...

Regards

Thanks for the kind words.

My kiln power supply is a 6v DC phone charger, and my cooling fan is a 5v 0.25amp shaded pole motor. If RadioShack hadn't gone under I owuld buy a resistor to drop it to 5v. Suppose the motor will run ok on 20% over voltage?

 

[RickP]

You could probably use a USB phone/tablet charger - I think those are 5v. I don't know about you, but those things breed like rabbits in my house...

 

[larry_g]

Thanks for the kind words.

My kiln power supply is a 6v DC phone charger, and my cooling fan is a 5v 0.25amp shaded pole motor. If RadioShack hadn't gone under I owuld buy a resistor to drop it to 5v. Suppose the motor will run ok on 20% over voltage?

I don't think you'll have any problem with over voltage. DC motors are also a generator and produce a counter EMF that tends to self regulate. I once won a free lunch on a bet that a 3 VDC motor would run on 90 VDC. My fellow techs said it would instant smoke. It ran for some 2-3 hours before lunch and they paid for lunch.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[Vieux]

Your engine will work fine from 6V. It is possible to sequentially supply the diode, it will give a voltage drop of 0.7 V.

 

[oldironfarmer]

You could probably use a USB phone/tablet charger - I think those are 5v. I don't know about you, but those things breed like rabbits in my house...

Thanks! I do have more than one However the voltage supply is not straight forward with all the pins. I guess I could tear one apart.

I don't think you'll have any problem with over voltage. DC motors are also a generator and produce a counter EMF that tends to self regulate. I once won a free lunch on a bet that a 3 VDC motor would run on 90 VDC. My fellow techs said it would instant smoke. It ran for some 2-3 hours before lunch and they paid for lunch.

lg
no neat sig line

That's the advice I wanted

The fan is a capital item, however at $3.34 delivered I've decided to buy a spare. Big spender.

Your engine will work fine from 6V. It is possible to sequentially supply the diode, it will give a voltage drop of 0.7 V.

Thanks, Vladimir. My suspicions confirmed. If I had a diode...

Thanks for the help guys!

 

[RickP]

Thanks, Vladimir. My suspicions confirmed. If I had a diode...

Thanks for the help guys!

Maybe use an LED?

It could double as a power indicator light!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Got the vent hood controller cable extended and mounted in the box. I don't have the images showing button function but it works great.

Went through the new tool acquisition and sorted out measuring tools:

Dumb ones

Smart ones

And calipers and micrometers

I already have most everything, but a few notable exceptions:

12" dial indicator
8" dial indicator
6" micrometer
Precision angle gauge (vernier to 5 minutes)
Adjustable parallel bars (Starrett)
Hole depth gauges (deep) (Brown & Sharp)
Radius gauges (Starrett)
Nice set of indicator tips on the ring
Another set of standards

It will be fun digging through everything. I see some tools I can't identify.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Maybe use an LED?

It could double as a power indicator light!

Now there's a nice idea!! I even have some from a broken trailer light. Think they'll pass 1/4 amp at 1v?

 

[RickP]

Now there's a nice idea!! I even have some from a broken trailer light. Think they'll pass 1/4 amp at 1v?

I've heard they'll last for a while, even driven over their rated voltage. Besides, if you fry one, they're cheap to replace!

 

[Vieux]

A beautiful set of measuring tools!
Plug the motor to the voltage of 6V, it will work well. In a pinch you can buy a new one if burn. But I think the engine will run for a long time, it will most likely fail not from the tension and wear of the bearings.

 

[Guster]

Thread wires, radius gauges, looks like a Starret last word, even the handy little g-clamp+post indicator holder... and you say there's more? Not a bad score after all.

I've never used my inside/outside dividers much though mine are very flimsy and always wanted to make some nice round profile legged ones once I have a forge to heat them up. Sad part is I've learned to do without them so they've become a bit obsolete.

Good job on the range hood repurpose too. I need to keep an eye out for that style when I do the kitchen remodel.

I second the fan will be fine BTW. If that enclosure was mounted so the heatsink sits sticking out the side you could make a 8" heat duct around it so it is cooled by convection too.

Another great Saturday!

 

[oldironfarmer]

I've heard they'll last for a while, even driven over their rated voltage. Besides, if you fry one, they're cheap to replace!

And the fan is cheap as well...

A beautiful set of measuring tools!
Plug the motor to the voltage of 6V, it will work well. In a pinch you can buy a new one if burn. But I think the engine will run for a long time, it will most likely fail not from the tension and wear of the bearings.

I was surprised by what was in the lot of tools.

Actually I have ordered a second motor, just to be sure I have an exact replacement, I could afford another $3.34 delivered.

Thread wires, radius gauges, looks like a Starret last word, even the handy little g-clamp+post indicator holder... and you say there's more? Not a bad score after all.

I think that's the best of the tools, except for a lot of files. Now, if I only knew how to use thread wires...

I've never used my inside/outside dividers much though mine are very flimsy and always wanted to make some nice round profile legged ones once I have a forge to heat them up. Sad part is I've learned to do without them so they've become a bit obsolete.

I use dividers much more on the wood lathe. There are instances where they are easier to use than hole gauges but of course they aren't rigid. They are the right tool for sheet metal work.

I keep hearing this malarkey about not having a forge, while a forge can be built of a few bricks and a hair dryer in a few minutes.

Good job on the range hood repurpose too. I need to keep an eye out for that style when I do the kitchen remodel.

Thanks! Is it a repurpose if it was bought new for the task? In any event, at $109 delivered I am astounded by the quality of materials and construction. The electronics work well, I could set the clock without instructions (buttons for hr and min flash as well as the numerals when you get into clock set mode) and the fan has three speeds plus a rundown timer: push stop and it starts a 60 second timer to turn off the fan, or you can set the fan to run longer then shut off. The brushed stainless exterior is complemented inside with an absolutely perfect mirror finish. A little confusing with the mirror image of wires and connectors making it appear there were more items.

I second the fan will be fine BTW. If that enclosure was mounted so the heatsink sits sticking out the side you could make a 8" heat duct around it so it is cooled by convection too.

Fan is going to learn to live on 6v! The heat sink sticks through the back of the box, but oriented where the fins are horizontal instead of vertically. Since it has forced draft, and only works for intermittent periods (while I'm using the kiln for heat treating) even though those periods are perhaps 48 hours long, total annual run time will only be a few hundred hours so natural draft cooling would only save a little electricity. And, when you're running an electric resistance kiln I could save a lot more money by adding external insulation to the kiln.

Another great Saturday!

It was a great Saturday on a Sunday!!

Now it's a real Saturday on a Monday!

Thanks for the comments, visits, and advice!!

 

[shortykorte]

Back to the vent hood. Looks great. For clarification you installed it for general air exchange but more so when welding?

Nice set of measuring instruments. I'm ignorant to dumb ones versus smart ones. Help please.


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[Farmall450]

Looks like you should be grilling some steak under that fancy stainless hood. Nice job as always.

 

[dchance]

Looks like with all the tools that you need to put more muffins to use so that you can then use your lathe.

Have a good holiday.

Dwight

 

[tym]

Maybe use an LED?

It could double as a power indicator light!

That might be too much of a voltage drop--around 2 VDC. A silicon rectifier diode would be somewhere between 0.6-0.7.

You could also consider a Zener diode voltage regulator.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Back to the vent hood. Looks great. For clarification you installed it for general air exchange but more so when welding?

Nice set of measuring instruments. I'm ignorant to dumb ones versus smart ones. Help please.

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The vent hood proved to be a great value. I am truly surprised at the quality. I installed it only to vent noxious fumes, welding, oxyacetylene cutting, and abrasive cutting. I was surprised how much the chop saw stunk up the closed shop. It has a grease filter so I may be cleaning it a lot. I had to clean the A/C filter in that room after welding. I think just a little draft toward the hood will help a lot.

The dumb/smart is my way of saying it. Rulers don't fit the mold too good, but I figure if it tells you the measurement, it's smart, if it's just dividers, you have to figure out the dimension so it's dumb. I put a scale in the dumb category because you have to figure out what the measurement is by where you place the scale (you have to get zero right). Like I said, it's just categories I invented.

Looks like you should be grilling some steak under that fancy stainless hood. Nice job as always.

Thank you! Probably don't want to cook in that environment.

Looks like with all the tools that you need to put more muffins to use so that you can then use your lathe.

Have a good holiday.

Dwight

long time, no muffins, must... make..... muffins......

Maybe tomorrow. I have an old friend coming over tomorrow morning to visit, and I think he wants to melt aluminum. We might make some muffins and maybe a hammer for him, if it's not blowing too hard and raining.

That might be too much of a voltage drop--around 2 VDC. A silicon rectifier diode would be somewhere between 0.6-0.7.

You could also consider a Zener diode voltage regulator.

I felt something go right over my head. Didn't see anything, but I'm sure it went right over.

Guess I need to lean on my EE son. Always hate to admit he's an electrical engineer. But, oh well, time to face reality. I don't see him getting over it anytime soon. I always told my mom he was a loan shark. Kept her from asking questions and finding out the truth.

Happy Independence Day to fellow former colonists, and those other Commonwealth members can take heart that the revolution in the 12 colonies eventually softened up the crown. So celebrate with us. The Brits just have to get over it (or sing God Save the Queen as we sing My Country, 'Tis of Thee). And for everyone else, Happy Tuesday!

We plan to stay up til midnight to--- never mind, wrong holiday.

 

[oldironfarmer]

We had hard blowing rain yesterday and I got some water into the shop, so I did roof repair this morning. High winds had pulled the corner trim up a bit and wind driven rain went under it, over the last sheet metal rib, and right down the wall. Pulled loose nails, replaced them with screws, and caulked the entire seam. More rain tonight.

Then I had to go to another closing

Spent a little time on the new tools again. Pulled all the files out. Pretty nice collections, several new ones, and a few I've never had and some I've never seen

Upper left is half round, next is a square, then triangle, upper right are body files. Great for filing aluminum hammer heads (I only had one of those), bottom row are large to small single cut and a few small double cut then the large ones are high angle lathe files. I didn't know they exist, looking forward to trying them.

Files are in pretty good shape, but a few are pretty dirty, I decided to clean on up, seventh from the left, bottom row.

I use a file card and a mild steel point. It is just a piece of sucker rod turned to a sharp point so it can get between the teeth on the file. I scrape each tooth if necessary. This file had lots of some hard plastic, probably epoxy and the file card didn't do much, but the magic scraping too did a job. (sorry, no pictures of the proprietary tool)

It cuts well now. (cut ya' *******!) And it is an old Nicholson file, and will give good service.

One more trip to the tools and took out the pliers and adjustable wrenches.

Adjustable wrenches are all good brands, the two small ones are MIT. All the clamping pliers are Vise Grip brand. The small pliers are going to be useful, blue handled pliers are square nose, and the slip joint pliers to the right are interesting. They have been modified to be hog ring pliers.

That's it for today! Thanks for stopping in!!

 

[Vieux]

You have a real treasure tool! Files is great for any type of work.
We also have rains and strong winds. Forecasters say that summer this year will not.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Nice haul on the tools Andy. Can't have too many files!

 

[TMcCay]

Nice haul on the tools Andy! I agree with Bolens, hard to have to many files. And nice job cleaning them up. Keep up the good work.

 

[Bears Fan]

Its been a while since I have checked in, I had to go back a few pages to get caught up! "Awesome stand", I would love to have that sitting in my barn. Great tool score too

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: good to see you have learned how to use GJ's picture posting that is similar to Photobucket's that screwed you (us) with they $399 special. sorry to see your old pictures are not there for the new viewers and maybe PB will release them again so crossing my fingers for you and all the members that used PB.

lots going on as always at your place. new vintage tools, electrical gadgetry, new fans to clear air in shop as needed and so on. hopefully the cows and bull are still alive and getting along as you are busy in the shop and clearing your land.

as busy as you are it's amazing how you fit in a full on house closing doing all the paperwork yourself almost weekly. speaking of weekly i think it might have been maybe a week or two since you've bought something with 4 wheels on it so what's up with that. i won't call you a SLACKER yet, but i did think that MUFFIN MAN might have a good ring to it.

cheers and have a great 4th of July or new years or whatever Saturday holiday it is.

 

[Farmall450]

I think you'll have to grill them outside, then, for the fourth Andy. Don't blow anything too big up tonight.

 

[xtremek]

I have the same bead roller (though mine says Woodward Fab) and Horror Fright E-wheel. I really love using them.

 

[oldironfarmer]

You have a real treasure tool! Files is great for any type of work.
We also have rains and strong winds. Forecasters say that summer this year will not.

I already had lots of files, now I have more. I need to figure out how to store them.

We may miss summer this year. It's July 4 and we have not hit 100F yet. That is unusual, but occasionally we will have a summer with no 100F days, and some summers we will have 20 to 30 days over 100F with no rain.

Nice haul on the tools Andy. Can't have too many files!

Nice haul on the tools Andy! I agree with Bolens, hard to have to many files. And nice job cleaning them up. Keep up the good work.

It is hard to have too many files, and having files is hard.

Its been a while since I have checked in, I had to go back a few pages to get caught up! "Awesome stand", I would love to have that sitting in my barn. Great tool score too

Thank you! I love making things out of found materials I have on hand. Now I need to make some tool trays for it. I've never had a finger brake before and I find it's best to keep most of the fingers out so they can be installed as needed.

I like tools

Andy: good to see you have learned how to use GJ's picture posting that is similar to Photobucket's that screwed you (us) with they $399 special. sorry to see your old pictures are not there for the new viewers and maybe PB will release them again so crossing my fingers for you and all the members that used PB.

When I started modifying pictures several of them magically appeared. They have now amazingly disappeared again

So all the pictures have to be replaced.

lots going on as always at your place. new vintage tools, electrical gadgetry, new fans to clear air in shop as needed and so on. hopefully the cows and bull are still alive and getting along as you are busy in the shop and clearing your land.

The cows came by yesterday checking out the new clearing next to the shop. Don't know what they thought, they didn't say a word.

as busy as you are it's amazing how you fit in a full on house closing doing all the paperwork yourself almost weekly. speaking of weekly i think it might have been maybe a week or two since you've bought something with 4 wheels on it so what's up with that. i won't call you a SLACKER yet, but i did think that MUFFIN MAN might have a good ring to it.

Writing a deed and mortgage is easy if there is no closing company or attorney involved. You are wrong, I bought something with four wheels just yesterday.

But muffin man? I have never posted a picture of my waist, are you flying your drone over my suntanning paddock?

cheers and have a great 4th of July or new years or whatever Saturday holiday it is.

Independence day! I celebrate two of them each year

I think you'll have to grill them outside, then, for the fourth Andy. Don't blow anything too big up tonight.

I was going to blow up a rear tractor tube, but it was too big

I have the same bead roller (though mine says Woodward Fab) and Horror Fright E-wheel. I really love using them.

I haven't unpacked my HF EW but I did buy more anvil wheels. They are discontinuing them, apparently, got a set of six radii for $20.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, nothing like a good clean up when you cannot be out doors.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, nothing like a good clean up when you cannot be out doors.

So true!

Looking forward to your race weekend!!

 

[Bob Heine]

Upper left is half round, next is a square, then triangle, upper right are body files. Great for filing aluminum hammer heads (I only had one of those), bottom row are large to small single cut and a few small double cut then the large ones are high angle lathe files. I didn't know they exist, looking forward to trying them.

Andy, that's quite the haul! Unless I count my jewelers files, i don't own as many files as you've just added to your collection. After I bought the two "Saw Files," I needed handles so I could label them.

I don't own a lathe so making handles was way too much work for me. I already had handles on some of my files so I decided to BUY more. My file ignorance resulted in an Amazon purchase of 5 handles from a UK supplier (AB Tools) for around $10 (half of that was shipping from the UK). Those are the handles on the right.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MXBUWK2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

They worked fine for my larger files but I still needed handles for the small tang files. I guessed at the designation (Type A) and found some Nicholson handles that Zoro sells for a reasonable price (10 for $18.70 including shipping). https://www.zoro.com/nicholson-file-handle-wood-type-a-21520n/i/G2928441/

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, that's quite the haul! Unless I count my jewelers files, i don't own as many files as you've just added to your collection. After I bought the two "Saw Files," I needed handles so I could label them.

I don't own a lathe so making handles was way too much work for me. I already had handles on some of my files so I decided to BUY more. My file ignorance resulted in an Amazon purchase of 5 handles from a UK supplier (AB Tools) for around $10 (half of that was shipping from the UK). Those are the handles on the right.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MXBUWK2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

They worked fine for my larger files but I still needed handles for the small tang files. I guessed at the designation (Type A) and found some Nicholson handles that Zoro sells for a reasonable price (10 for $18.70 including shipping). https://www.zoro.com/nicholson-file-handle-wood-type-a-21520n/i/G2928441/

WOW! $1.87 is the right price. I may have to try to buy one, so as to not get too much invested...