AdrianBoomer
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Thanks dude. I might try this. I post what I come up with.
Anyone restore a Craftsman 6x48 belt sander yet?
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For any one that wants to put rubber on the rollers
Look up SHRINK TUBE , SHRINK BOOT !
It comes in all diameters and different thicknesses !
You cut a piece and slide it over the roller then heat it
Up and it shinks to the size of the roller !
They come with glue or without , all i have ever used had glue
In them !
They are used in the communication industry to seal connections and splices !
I have used it on rollers , hammer handles , tool handles , pipes for pry bars !
Look up SHRINK TUBE , SHRINK BOOT !
It comes in all diameters and different thicknesses !
You cut a piece and slide it over the roller then heat it
Up and it shinks to the size of the roller !
They come with glue or without , all i have ever used had glue
In them !
They are used in the communication industry to seal connections and splices !
I have used it on rollers , hammer handles , tool handles , pipes for pry bars !
bagged89s10
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What sanding belts are you guys running on these? I need to find some with the smoothest seam.
bagged89s10
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Ordered some belts from https://econabrasives.com
Wondering if anyone has built any type of dust collection for these sanders?
Wondering if anyone has built any type of dust collection for these sanders?
mtnwkr
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Found this one this morning at an auction, got it for $75 after taxes and fees.
There were two of these there, the other was older and crusty with no stand. The cast table for the other was sitting in a pile of stuff that some guy who was buying everything got. I asked him if I could buy the small table in his pile and got it for $5. The same guy then went on to buy the other sander! Obviously not a tool guy...
3/4hp motor seems to work well, came with a few belts too. Anyone know the maker and age?
How tight should the belt be? I can't get it to track well without tightening it pretty tight, I just don't want to over do it and ruin the bearings.
This is what the dust collection loos like on mine, shouldn't be too hard to rig something up with a slice of PVC or rolled tin.
squash! Those handle look great! Anyone have a set?
There were two of these there, the other was older and crusty with no stand. The cast table for the other was sitting in a pile of stuff that some guy who was buying everything got. I asked him if I could buy the small table in his pile and got it for $5. The same guy then went on to buy the other sander! Obviously not a tool guy...
3/4hp motor seems to work well, came with a few belts too. Anyone know the maker and age?
How tight should the belt be? I can't get it to track well without tightening it pretty tight, I just don't want to over do it and ruin the bearings.
This is what the dust collection loos like on mine, shouldn't be too hard to rig something up with a slice of PVC or rolled tin.
squash! Those handle look great! Anyone have a set?
mtnwkr
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Here it is after a wipe down and cleaning up the cast table. I stuck a magnet on the inside of the stand to hold my wrench and had an extra miter gauge to throw on.
If anyone needs this spare table let me know, I have no need to keep it around..
If anyone needs this spare table let me know, I have no need to keep it around..
Outlawmws
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Doesn't the table go to the belt sander part?
bagged89s10
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longlivepunk
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I need to find or build a table or two for my sander. Not sure what the brand is, though. Needs a disc too.
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bagged89s10
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Is it true metal dust will ruin these sanders?
From what I can see, they are just bronze bearings on them with oil caps, metal dust could prematurely wear them out for sure. Mine have a little slack in them as is, the machine clatters while running. I also need a shaft stop on one side of the upper roller to keep the side to side slack out. Also, mine is on a pole stand with the motor right below the sander, I think metal dust in the motor would be bad but a shield could be made to cut down on that.
This is the one I have. It is much later and doesn't appear to be as solid as the King Seeley stuff. The table is just cast aluminum. The tracking is fussy and the 3/4 horse motor often needs a push to get it started. Your stand is different than mine My sheet metal table acually flexed so I bolted some angle iron underneath but it is not great. I had bearing noise on the tension adjust end and finally figured out that the press fit bearings were spinning in the casting. Sears was over the hill by then. I also have a King Seeley jointer on a single pedestal that is not on the same planet as that sander. I will keep my eyes open fo a K S belt sander. Mine has no rubber on the rollers. I worked with a Delta sander that has a much better tracking system. The entire idler end tensioned as a single unit with one knob and then one side of the roller adjusted tracking. That is how my band saw does it.
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macgee
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Not sure if you ever finished restoring yours but I have one that has been sitting for a year on my shelf covered in dirt & dust but finally started taking it apart yesterday to clean it and restore, pics of it in during the first stage of cleaning. It's a 103.0803 and It looks complete based on the parts manual only thing missing is the sanding disc. Other than it looks to be in excellent shape. Sorry for the bad pics, I will post much better ones when back together.
Does anyone know where one can find a new 8" or 9" sanding disc? The spindle for it seems to be a normal 5/8" bore hole size.
Very frustrating, I could not find anything on eBay, the searching just comes up with thousands and thousands of sand paper listings.
Does anyone know where one can find a new 8" or 9" sanding disc? The spindle for it seems to be a normal 5/8" bore hole size.
Very frustrating, I could not find anything on eBay, the searching just comes up with thousands and thousands of sand paper listings.
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Cruzan80
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MacGee, can you post a detailed pic of the King Seeley decal on yours? Mine was partially erased.
I would just search belt disc sander, and watch for parts. Did find this aftermarket, but pricey. http://usaknifemaker.com/disc-beveled-9-aluminum-t-6061-5-8-bore-for-disc-grinders-beve.html
I would just search belt disc sander, and watch for parts. Did find this aftermarket, but pricey. http://usaknifemaker.com/disc-beveled-9-aluminum-t-6061-5-8-bore-for-disc-grinders-beve.html
MercLSU
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Macgee, I will look when I get home this evening. I may have what you're looking for.
Nine, didn't I pick one of these up when we first went to that sale at Barry's? Was thinking I'd use it for a project but then that Delta popped up.
Nine, didn't I pick one of these up when we first went to that sale at Barry's? Was thinking I'd use it for a project but then that Delta popped up.
macgee
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Cruzan,
Thanks for the post. Here you go but no King-Seely on it. I have to be really careful not to damage it during the cleaning phase. It's one of those thin water transfer stickers.
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macgee
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MercLSU,
That would be awesome, please let me know. I've been at it all morning, dismantling, cleaning, scrubbing at the parts. I think it's going to come out really nice, the bearings are good and nothing is damaged or missing.
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Cruzan80
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If anyone needs it, I have a set of front adjustment bearings/wheels/nubs from restoring mine. Bought a spare set when I saw them, then ended up not needing them.
MercLSU
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Womp womp womp...looks like I was wrong; my apologies.
Looks like it's a CM lathe face plate and not part of a disc sander. The hole is ~11/16" in diameter, threaded, and thus isn't keyed or machined for a set screw.
macgee
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MercLSU,
Gotta say I really appreciate the effort. It would have been perfect if you had one but at least I was given a chance of possibly getting one, that's much better than no one willing to help.
I'm sure one will come up hopefully sooner than later but beggars can't be choosy.
Again, Thank You Merc!
Have a good weekend
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That looks like mine with the ribbed aluminum table. I bought the whole setup as a single item on the Craftsman stand. The table is so flimsy that I had to brace the underside to control belt tension. The 3/4 hp motor is anemic. There was no rubber on the rollers. The tracking system was always touchy. I had a clunking in the upper rollers that I finally traced to the bearings slipping in the casting. Loctite was the cure. It used to throw the motor pully no matter how I tightened the set screw, until I replaced it. I have used it for many years but I have no great attachment to it. If I came across a good solid Delta, at a good price,like we had where I once worked, I would buy it in a heartbeat.Might as well post my 113.
I picked it up for nothing as the upper roller had cracked where the left side bearing mounts. The rollers are discontinued so my father milled the hole deeper to seat the bearing in fresh material. It had worked for years, but its starting to get play again. Anyone have a good upper roller?
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macgee
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You might be interested in this.
I found this 9" Cast iron disc from Grizzly that could make for a cheap $29+ ship. replacement. It's cast iron which is better than the hard to find aluminum versions floating around. I haven't checked yet but hopefully it's the same diameter spindle hole size. If it is the same spindle size (cross fingers) then I'm luck I think others will be too.
http://www.grizzly.com/parts/P1014Z021?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
It's for the G1014Z Combo sander:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/G1014Z?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
I found this 9" Cast iron disc from Grizzly that could make for a cheap $29+ ship. replacement. It's cast iron which is better than the hard to find aluminum versions floating around. I haven't checked yet but hopefully it's the same diameter spindle hole size. If it is the same spindle size (cross fingers) then I'm luck I think others will be too.
http://www.grizzly.com/parts/P1014Z021?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
It's for the G1014Z Combo sander:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/G1014Z?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
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Grizzly is pretty good. Call them and I am sure they wiil give you the info. If it is bigger, you can sleeve it without needing a machine shop. I had to do that once and cut a window in the sleeve for the key.
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macgee
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Finally started working on my sander again, almost there but not quite. The tracking arbor for this belt sander is interesting.
Have to say the runout on the disc is excellent, less than .002". Was a little surprised with that being such a vintage sander.
Have to say the runout on the disc is excellent, less than .002". Was a little surprised with that being such a vintage sander.
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This thread reminded me, I've been messing around with one of these sanders, a later Taiwan model I picked up cheap, and have been experiencing some squealing. I can't be sure if it's one of the bearings or the belt running on the plate. A spritz of PB blaster that got on the back of the belt seemed to stop the squealing but I got sidetracked before I could investigate much further.
So, the bearings are just bronze bushings? I had a quick look at removing the top roller but didn't have the time to mess with it much. I'm not looking for a restoration but would like to have a servicable machine. The zirconia belts I picked up were very nice for grinding after the PB spritz.
So, the bearings are just bronze bushings? I had a quick look at removing the top roller but didn't have the time to mess with it much. I'm not looking for a restoration but would like to have a servicable machine. The zirconia belts I picked up were very nice for grinding after the PB spritz.
I have a later one with an aluminum table. There was a lot of vibration from the aluminum idler roller.The press fit bearings were slipping in the casting. I forget what I used but rhe right stuff is Loctite 609. The 3/4 hp Craftsman can barely start the belt. Have to look into that.
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Heres the link to one I restored recently. Fun project and its a great old tool.
http://ecmanufacturing.weebly.com/woodworking-machines.html
http://ecmanufacturing.weebly.com/woodworking-machines.html
This got me inspired to take another look. The cheap pulleys did not seem to run very true. The belt seemed to get tighter and looser as I rotated it by hand. It does not look like a bent shaft at either end. There was some belt delamination. I am going to order some machined steel pullies and a power twist link belt. It was a bear getting the pullies off. Glad I have a puller. I am also going to look at the motor start cap that may have deteriorated after all these years. I don't know if 3/4 hp is marginal or not or if Craftsman 3/4 is like real 3/4 hp.
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Beautiful job. I have Cman jointer on a stand of similar vintage. Wish I had the belt guard.
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Zeeman
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Ecosta, very nice job on the sander. I also enjoyed your website and look forward to seeing more of your restorations.
rickhigginshtbr
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most use wd40 and steel wool.
I have that sander and I spent a lot if time chasing a vibration from that upper roller, when I bought mine, new. I finally realized that the pressed bearings were very loose and slipping. I Loctited them in for a fix. I don't remember what I used but today it would be Loctite 609. It fills pretty big gaps. It is made for worn shafts, bearing seats, etc.Might as well post my 113.
I picked it up for nothing as the upper roller had cracked where the left side bearing mounts. The rollers are discontinued so my father milled the hole deeper to seat the bearing in fresh material. It had worked for years, but its starting to get play again. Anyone have a good upper roller?
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michaelwolson
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Hi Macgee,
Is this the one that you ended up using in your pictures on your next post? I'm still on the search for mine. I found a couple of them but they're all $70+ which is more than I'm willing to spend on a $5 sander...
macgee
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Hi Michael,
Sorry for the long delay in reply. Actually I was very lucky and came across a perfectly good disc that was the same size at a garage sale for pretty much free. It was a plug and play situation. I was also able to acquire the table & mounting parts for the disc; It was awesome but know the likelihood of that ever happening again is....well I won't say never but you get the idea.
So to answer your question is no but I would do it. I think it's worth a shot. Just make sure its the 9" cast iron version and not the aluminum version. There easy to call and ask for the specs.
Smokeshow69
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I am looking to get one of these fine machines ! Looking for an older one made by King seeley! If someone has one they want to sell please pm me ! I am located in Portland Oregon.
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lafester
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Just picked up a 113.22541 emerson model today.
I'll have to compare it to some pics to see if it's missing anything. It's in great condition though at least cosmetically.
Got it with a 4" Delta Homecraft jointer, one stand and a very nice looking 1/2hp craftsman 3250 motor for $100. Wasn't going to get the sander but since the jointer didn't come with a motor or stand (that is what I went for) I decided to grab both. If it tracks good and isn't missing anything important I'll probably keep it.
I'll have to compare it to some pics to see if it's missing anything. It's in great condition though at least cosmetically.
Got it with a 4" Delta Homecraft jointer, one stand and a very nice looking 1/2hp craftsman 3250 motor for $100. Wasn't going to get the sander but since the jointer didn't come with a motor or stand (that is what I went for) I decided to grab both. If it tracks good and isn't missing anything important I'll probably keep it.
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Smokeshow69
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Speaking of Emerson made models, I too picked a 113.22541 model! Mine has been spray bombed a hideous silver color but I paid $50 including the super cool early 40's builder saw stand ! The sander is missing the disc so if someone has one, please hit me up as I am looking to buy one ! It was missing the prop rod which I already bought ! I will use this one until I find a nice , earlier model heritage or crown top badge one !
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