Shop/Garage/Pole Building budget???

[rjacobs]

Basically looking to see if I can stay in my budget and do what I want or if i need to stretch a bit more.

I know prices vary all over the country. I am in the Dallas area.

Im looking to buy a piece of land shortly(next 6 months) which may or may not have any utilities on it. I need a place for storage mostly at first so utilities isnt the top of my priority list.

I'm thinking I want to budget $50k. This would be building, doors and concrete/site work, no electrical, no lights, no plumbing, etc... I may try to do a few things setup in the slab for say a bathroom rough in or an electrical conduit for a panel.

I want to build a 40x60 building. Dont necessarily care about the method of construction(steel, wood, etc...).

6" reinforced concrete. I want a lift. I may want a few machines later. I will want to be able to pull a 45' coach inside. I dont want to have to think about or regret doing 4" later.

16' interior height.

3 "garage" type doors. One 14x10, the others I am thinking 10x10, not set on width though. At least 1 man door, if not 2.

Those are the basics.

We dont have a Menards close by, but their building estimator for the above(minus concrete work) was ~27k. I believe thats a stick built structure. Im guessing concrete would be 10k-12k.

Anybody think my 50k budget is out of line?

 

[matt_i]

Seems reasonable to me, however if there's a massive residential/housing demand, a large percentage of the building trades may be engaged in potentially more profitable work. ~$20/sf is on the low end but you don't have much other than concrete, frame, and metal.

Best plan is to start a document of specs and sketches (even if scanned or phone photos of pencil drawings) that you can send out for bids. Get 3 to 4 bids and you will know if your estimates are possible.

I am going to recommend a 12' wide door. I am assuming your coach is 8'6" wide and that only leaves 1'6" (18") of total clearance split between the sides. That would make a nervous affair to back in (or back out) a $$$$$$ vehicle. My other experience (this is backing a gooseneck trailer into a dark, unwired building, in bright daylight, sun directly overhead) is you definitely need a spotter. Its like looking into a black hole from the driver's seat. It may be worse at night although the vehicle's running lights could help.

 

[robmartinson]

I just spent $14k even on a finished 2400 sq ft, 6" floor with rebar and two 4x4 man door pads in Eastern WA 60 days ago. I did 90% of the prep, but did have them compact it.

 

[DCarr2]

last march i spent $7,000 on a 1650 sqft 5" floor...

and about $500 on paint..

to insulate and finish off the ceiling will be another 3-4K

I found, that in Buffalo NY, pole barns run around $50/sqft

 

[johnehr]

Seems reasonable to me, however if there's a massive residential/housing demand, a large percentage of the building trades may be engaged in potentially more profitable work. ~$20/sf is on the low end but you don't have much other than concrete, frame, and metal.

Best plan is to start a document of specs and sketches (even if scanned or phone photos of pencil drawings) that you can send out for bids. Get 3 to 4 bids and you will know if your estimates are possible.

I am going to recommend a 12' wide door. I am assuming your coach is 8'6" wide and that only leaves 1'6" (18") of total clearance split between the sides. That would make a nervous affair to back in (or back out) a $$$$$$ vehicle. My other experience (this is backing a gooseneck trailer into a dark, unwired building, in bright daylight, sun directly overhead) is you definitely need a spotter. Its like looking into a black hole from the driver's seat. It may be worse at night although the vehicle's running lights could help.

One option to help with natural inside light is to specify "eavelite" polycarbonate at the top of the walls. I have 24" on my pole building and during the day it is amazing how much light the sun provides into the building.

 

[Catadj78]

I just spent $14k even on a finished 2400 sq ft, 6" floor with rebar and two 4x4 man door pads in Eastern WA 60 days ago. I did 90% of the prep, but did have them compact it.

Wow.

I spent less than 7k on 1600 sq ft finished out a year ago I believe

 

[rjacobs]

So it doesnt sound like my budget is out of line.

Hopefully I can get this moving along in the next 6 months, but we will see.

I have looked at a hand full of pieces of land and havent seen anything I thought was great. Best thing I saw was a bit far from me at 45 minutes, but it was also 30 wooded acres. There is a lot of farm land being divided up into 10 acre or so plots around where I currently live... Its "boring" and im not looking to have a horse ranch or whatever where the flat acreage is a plus.

 

[OneOfEm]

I also started with a budget (pretty fixed budget) as a starting point.

I found that for that money, I could get a significantly lesser building built by someone else completely, a lesser building purchased as a kit where I did some of the work, or the building that I want if I do all of the work (or nearly all - I hired out the concrete finishing). I chose the third option.

Time or money.

 

[BoostedOne]

Dont forget to include site work. Building the pad for the building costs money too. For a 40x60 you might have 1500-2000 in dirt and machine time.
5000psi concrete here is about $150/yard last I checked. 0.5x40x60/27=45 yards. ~6700$. Plus your footers(5-7 yards). Plus labor.

 

[dv8customs]

I have had good luck with FiveStarr builders. They put up a 30x30 and a 30x40 for me and will be building another 30x40 soon.

They did a great job every time.

http://fivestarrbuilders.com/pricing-guide/

 

[sberry]

Cheapen it with 2 doors too.

 

[blair683]

I don't understand these cheap prices. You guys must be building the cheapest building possible. I am guessing with these prices you guys are are doing 4' or more spacing on trusses, all steel exterior, and 4"x6" posts? I built my 27'x30' with 6"x6" posts, 24" centers on trusses, shingle roof, and vinyl siding. My overhead door is 16' x 9' insulated. I have 10k in just materials. I built myself and contracted the 5" concrete with remesh and a drain. The concrete alone was $3700. I'm in mine pushing 15k and my interior isn't finished yet. A lot of these prices on here are misleading in my opinion. How could you build a 1600 sq ft building for 7k with 5" of concrete. The concrete alone would be 5k.

 

[blair683]

Wow.

I spent less than 7k on 1600 sq ft finished out a year ago I believe

What was it made of, paper?

 

[Catadj78]

What was it made of, paper?

That was just the concrete, labor and dirtwork. im in it for around 30k with electrical and plumbing

 

[cj7jeep81]

I built a similar sized one a couple of years ago, 40x64x16 with 6" of concrete. I had some family help, which cut the cost down a good bit. All told, it cost me about $35,000.

Materials were $22k, and that included trusses on 4' centers (with 2 of them being scissor trusses), laminated columns with perma columns, wainscotting, 2" blanket insulation on all walls and ceiling, two 14x14 insulated doors, and one entry door. I think I paid 3k for labor since I and family helped. Concrete was around 8 or 9k I think (saved a grand or two on labor on that as well).

I also got quotes from a local Amish place (so no breaks on price), and it would have been a bit over $40k that way.

 

[Virulentspores]

Your concrete estimate is probably low. I poured a 21'x34'x5" slab last year and it was 10.5k

That included site work and fill dirt.

 

[blair683]

Now these prices are sounding more believable.

 

[n20junkie]

Not a pole barn, but a stick built 30x50, with a lot of the prep, walls, plumbing/electrical all done by me, still cost 60k for a box with electrical. No insulation or interior.

 

[rjacobs]

I have had good luck with FiveStarr builders. They put up a 30x30 and a 30x40 for me and will be building another 30x40 soon.

They did a great job every time.

http://fivestarrbuilders.com/pricing-guide/

I was just able to get onto their website and see pricing. Damn internet restricted countries...

just shy of 28k for a 4" reinforced pour, 40x60x10 with a single overhead door and a single man door. Not bad. Im guessing going to 6" pour wouldnt be that much more expensive and same with going to 16' vs. 10'. Add a bit for more/larger over head doors. Add a bit for dirt work. Should be able to stay under my 50k budget.

 

[dv8customs]

I was just able to get onto their website and see pricing. Damn internet restricted countries...

just shy of 28k for a 4" reinforced pour, 40x60x10 with a single overhead door and a single man door. Not bad. Im guessing going to 6" pour wouldnt be that much more expensive and same with going to 16' vs. 10'. Add a bit for more/larger over head doors. Add a bit for dirt work. Should be able to stay under my 50k budget.

If I remember right they told me it was $1,000 per foot to add height so that's another $6k.

 

[rjacobs]

If I remember right they told me it was $1,000 per foot to add height so that's another $6k.

Thats not bad... Im honestly trying to justify the 16' ceilings, but im having a hard time.

I want to do it to put the 14' door in to get an RV in(which I dont own currently, but want to some time in the next 10 years), problem is I want to finish 20' of the 60' span into an office/living space/bar/bathroom/etc... with either storage or a bedroom above. Which gives me a 40x40 garage/shop space to work with. WELL a 40'+ coach obviously doesnt fit in a 40' deep bay SO at that point do I go to a 50x60x16 building OR do I not do the 16' ceiling and just do a 10(or maybe a 12')... If I dont do a 16' ceiling I also probably dont need to do a 6" slab so a 4" would work with a few places done thicker or with piers to support a 2 post lift, so again, saving money.

 

[Falcon67]

If you EVER expect to need utilities, you best check that out FIRST before you buy any plot. If there is a water line, your connection can cost - just for the hole and meter tied to the line - $1000 or better. If they have to run more line, 10x that. Same with power. There might be a pole close by - but it might also be $100/ft to run a drop and set a pole. Or no cost if inside a certain distance. Septic field and tank can easily go $10K plus. Shooting a well is a **** shoot that can set you back $3500 or more for a dry hole - you pay whether you get water or not. Your neighbor 1000' away might be able to water their whole property at once and you get a trickle.