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Andy, I'm glad you're putting the crane to good use. I wouldn't mind one to match the press!

Hmmm, I did buy it to use. But if somebody else had been around we probably would have manhandled it. I'm really glad I got it when I did.

I hadn't noticed that the crane had two hoists on it - that makes it even betterer. :thumbup:

I was on my way home when I realized a second trolley (already had two hoists) would really help with lifting the cab, bed, and turning a frame over. So I turned around and went back and got another. The base crane comes without a trolley. Surprising the first time I needed it both hoists were appropriate.

Andy the crane looks like it really is working good. Next you will wonder why it took so long to get it. Think of all the new projects and the help on all the old ones that you have lined up outside.

Dwight

Yep. I really wanted to re-erect my old bridge crane but this is going to work out fine.

OIF, thanks for the link. The freight might be a killer but the pics are good enough to see how its constructed. I have a couple of 4"SHS left over from the house veranda, and some 31/2" left over from the shed. There is a beam sitting in the grass that would be long enough, just a couple of small pieces to get and it will be good. Thanks again.

Harbor Freight or one of their clones don't operate down there?

It's not too fancy, and it really does not need the adjustable height feature. Lot's of home made cranes like this around here, but they are usually built too heavy to move easily, and seldom have high quality casters, so they usually don't get much use.

I would have made one however for the price I would rather spend time on the Studebaker. The Harbor Freight trolleys have very nice sealed bearing and roll like a charm.

Did you name your new crane Elmer?:D

Nice. If it starts giving me moral advice that may just be it's name. But I'm not much for naming stuff.

:lol_hitti:lol_hitti Good one realvc.:beer:

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Ok, clue me in, please.:wtf: I can only think of two Elmers, Fudd and glue. Neither fits, in my mind.

That's it, the glue that holds my shop efforts together...

I'm glad you are as confused as me, it hasn't clicked for me either.

Andy,
I have the spreadsheet formated to warn me if either the deflection is greater than the length/360, or the stress is above 21,600 psi. Max allowable deflection is .267" at 9,271 psi and max allowable stress occurs at 6,630 pounds, still point loaded in the center of the beam. Luckily I worked really hard to make this cheat sheet long ago so I don't have to work hard now. :thumbup:
JB

You're too young for the Elmer thing :)

Sounds like a nice spreadsheet. And 1/16" deflection would be more than you would like for your table. So for two beams you can load the table to 6 Tons. That would make a nice label.

Try "Elmer Gantry" in google and see what happens.:thumbup:

Elmer Gantry never met google...

Thanks for all the comments, guys. It's been busy at the shop.
 
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Busy day around here.

My hay baler called early and said he was going to start hauling hay. My lot has eight foot weeds in it, so I need to get to mowing. I went out to get my old H Farmall started to mow. Hasn't run in over a year but I wasn't worried. Only had a little gas. My cans were empty. Then he showed up.

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So we dumped them at the edge of the lot. Got the tractor started and mowed without running out of year old gas.:rocker:

Ya'll have seen me mow tall weeds with this old tractor so I didn't take any pictures.:)

Got the grill and other fender off the Studebaker. Everything is rusted up so it goes slow.

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And the cattle sale is on Saturdays so I went ahead and loaded the two calves I want to sell. That leaves three in the weaning pen.

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Took the calves to the sale barn and bought tractor gas on the way home. When I got home he had delivered seven more bales so got the bale spike on the Bobcat and moved the 14 bales for more delivery tomorrow. My share of the field is 35 bales.

Now it's late so I went into the shop to see how the helper was doing.

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Getting the hand rail up on the mezzanine.:bounce:

Almost ready for OSHA:bounce::bounce:

Thanks for stopping by!
 

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What a busy Saturday Andy.
I'll be by shortly to pre inspect that railing.


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Come on over! Dimes are on top of the Coke machine, but please leave the cans :bounce:

I didn't see any dimes on top of the coke machine. As a matter of fact, I didn't see Andy either. He must have been at the auction when I stopped by.:dunno:
 
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I didn't see any dimes on top of the coke machine. As a matter of fact, I didn't see Andy either. He must have been at the auction when I stopped by.:dunno:

Hmmm... I was at a funeral, not an auction. Sorry I missed you, though.:sad:

Likely just another dream you had, Dan. Dimes are ALWAYS on the Coke machine. It's my inventory control method. The "OUT" switch does not work with the cans so I make do with the number of dimes I put on top.

I know, you didn't see them. Maybe you were in the wrong shop?

Hope your trip plans are gelling, the work is piling up on me!:willy_nil

Thanks for stopping in!

I need to get some pictures of the work my help has been doing. We're still making progress even though I'm stuck on the Studebaker.

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He finished the handrail on the mezzanine, it wouldn't stop a freight train but will let a dizzy elderly person know the end is near.

On an unrelated note, I'm pleased to announce pictures have been restored up to page 135 on this thread. :rocker: It looks like there will be a several page gap for a while, I'm worn out relisting pictures and the bulk of the thread has now frustrated PhotoBucket's best efforts!:bowdown:
 

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Worked on the Studebaker today. I thought the floor pans looked good, but when I really looked at them they have been overlain with fiberglass.

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So I've got some floor pan work to do. But the sun visors look mighty fine with **** carpet:rocker:

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No work needed there!!

Unbolted the cab from the frame. Front mounts came loose easily!

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Got the doors stripped

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But the big screws holding the doors on were a bear. Who would have thought?:headscrat

I sharpened an old screwdriver which had been through my fire and abused over the years, and it twisted with a wrench on it. Pounded it flat and quenched it. So it broke, I got it too hard. Re-sharpened it and used the heat of grinding to temper it. I got it to a light straw. Picture is not too good, but the color is from grinding.

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Screwdriver was hard enough it sheared the head on one screw. So I heated the six that wouldn't come loose and and they all came loose except the sheared one and one other, they'll get nuts welded on.

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Doors are heavy, crane will come in handy :)

Since I got the gantry crane I gave my bridge crane trolley to a friend. so now I have to clean it up and get it ready for him.

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My quote for the day in looking at your pictures and remembering my Mustang restoration is as follows; "Old iron will make a man out of you faster than being in love with a younger woman; and just about as tired!"
 
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Well put, Bobby!

Thanks for the encouragement :headscrat

We've got a new family member.

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She defended my container from me a few days ago, starving. I started feeding her, and she is coming around, but slowly. I think she has been abused, very skittish. Beautiful dog, I don't know what she is, except she is staying. Couple of colors of chocolate, her new name is Hershey.

This morning I went down to check my water outlet. We've had lots of rain and haven't repaired it yet. Not as bad as I had imagined, the gravel fill is helping.

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This is where my major erosion was originally.

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The old tractor is in bad shape, but keeps getting the job done.

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It even fogs for mosquitoes while you drive.

But it quit me on the way home. No tools, 1/4 mile from the house. I tracked it down to the positive battery terminal. Although it has looked like this for years, the cable needed some serious wiggling to get it to restart. Maybe I need to clean the connection.

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I can't bolt the connection to the battery, the tractor has no switch so I start it by attaching the cable and hitting the starter. One day I'll fix this tractor too...

We had a partial solar eclipse at our house.

I think the neighbors did too.:bounce:

Anyway, I noticed an interesting pattern the sun made through the leaves on an elm tree in my yard. This is on concrete, the openings between the leaves acted like pinhole apertures.

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A thousand little suns in eclipse, so to speak.

An interesting morning.
 

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Spent a couple of hours on the Studebaker.

I'm never good at taking windows out. I wiggled this one every which way I could.

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These two screws have to come out to get the wing vent off.

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They were a challenge. But persistence pays off, glass is out of both doors.

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Need some advice, how do you go about getting the glass out of the frames? Is it glued in?

Now if I can just figure out how to get the door latches off. All the screws are out, but the square shaft from the door handle will not budge. I'm sure it is just rusted in place, I don't see any keepers, so it will soak overnight. Both doors the same, stuck.

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With the glass out the doors are ready to come off. I felt like it would be easier to take the glass out with the doors mounted.

The patch plate I made can't go on until I get the running boards replaced, and it looks like the door hinges have to come off to replace the running boards. One step at a time.

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Hey! Bob!! I thought you were out in the barn?

Oh, wrong Bob.

Sorry.

Are you saying I have a big job ahead of me?

All I'm trying to do is get it apart. For now. It seems like everything will be easy after that.:willy_nil

Of course I've got to get the Dakota apart too, but it has not been rusting for as many years.

Obviously I've never done this before. What are the odds I'll give up?

What are the odds my granddaughter will have a truck on 4-4-18? (Pretty slim, I know that answer:bounce:)

Thanks for the visit and comment. Not too many comments after I started on the Studebaker. Hmmm....
 

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Andy,
Whatever you do to the sun visors it will be an improvement. You are making progress on the Studebaker. Hope you don't lose pieces in the cleanup of your shop.

Looks like a nice new dog.

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Hi Dwight! Thanks for stopping in.

So you think steam cleaning the visors would be the ticket?:thumbup:

I could get a fuzzy steering wheel cover like the purple car has...

I'm a little concerned about the small pieces going missing. I'm putting them in baggies labeled with where they came from. I hope that helps.

My old dog is about 17 or 18, stone deaf and losing his sight. He's OK with the new dog, but he's started staying inside, and we really need an outside dog, preferably over by the shop. She has enough hound dog in her to have a nice loud voice. She showed up at just exactly the right time.

We were starting to get overrun with rabbits. I'm not seeing so many now.:willy_nil
 

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Need some advice, how do you go about getting the glass out of the frames? Is it glued in?

Andy, long time lurker here. Not sure if the stude is the same or not, but my 68' C10 door glass was held in the metal c channel track with nothing more than a thin rubber strip. Some penetrating oil, a little heat and some care set them free. I'm sure it's petrified like mine was.

I used soapy water to reset the glass with new rubber strips from LMC.

While you have the glass out, you can polish it with an orbital buffer and some metal polish after a good wash down of course!
 

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Ford used to use some kind of cloth tape that you put on the glass got wet w water and
pressed the glass in the channel. It swelled I guess, no help to you in removing yours but
it was very simple. Seemed like all the ones I saw loose were 20 years old or more.
Might call a glass shop with an old timer in it.
 

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Anyway, I noticed an interesting pattern the sun made through the leaves on an elm tree in my yard. This is on concrete, the openings between the leaves acted like pinhole apertures.

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A thousand little suns in eclipse, so to speak.

An interesting morning.

Awesome photo! Beautiful dog too... looks like it needs a nice owner like you.



Good luck with the Studebaker. You are a very brave soul. :scared:

Especially those sun visors... what is that? DIY re-upholstery using 1980s faux-sherpa toilet seat covers? Yikes! :bounce:
 

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The one good thing about the door glass is that its flat, so in the event it gets broke it will be easy to replace. I would put the glass down on a piece of carpet, get a paint stir stick and start at a end and gently smack the stick. Go back and forth until it submits.:dunno:
On the door, it looks like a screw right above where the flat bar appears in the middle of the latch, mabe not?:headscrat:D
 
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Remember you are 1 person(I don't know how old) but if there is not anyone to continue what you do, you need to PRIORITIZE. I have started to cutback on what I have collected over the years and have gotten rid of some things. I find time is not on my side. I have cut down from 5 vehicles to three and I see the difference there. You have lots of neat stuff. The problem is "too" much neat stuff.
 
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Need some advice, how do you go about getting the glass out of the frames? Is it glued in?

Andy, long time lurker here. Not sure if the stude is the same or not, but my 68' C10 door glass was held in the metal c channel track with nothing more than a thin rubber strip. Some penetrating oil, a little heat and some care set them free. I'm sure it's petrified like mine was.

I used soapy water to reset the glass with new rubber strips from LMC.

While you have the glass out, you can polish it with an orbital buffer and some metal polish after a good wash down of course!

Yeah, it's only 18 years older than your C10:headscrat

Thanks for the guidance. I put PB Blaster on them and will try heat from a quartz lamp. Time will aid in the effort too, I bet.

Ford used to use some kind of cloth tape that you put on the glass got wet w water and
pressed the glass in the channel. It swelled I guess, no help to you in removing yours but
it was very simple. Seemed like all the ones I saw loose were 20 years old or more.
Might call a glass shop with an old timer in it.

I guess this one is 68 years old, hmmm, that's my age. They're not loose yet. Maybe I should just wait.

Thanks for the additional information!

Awesome photo! Beautiful dog too... looks like it needs a nice owner like you.

Good luck with the Studebaker. You are a very brave soul. :scared:

Especially those sun visors... what is that? DIY re-upholstery using 1980s faux-sherpa toilet seat covers? Yikes! :bounce:

I'm liking the visor covers more and more.

The Studebaker is just a bunch of small tasks. I just have to focus on the next task.

Andy getting the glass out is easy, dog gone it. Use a big chisel. lol

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That is another idea. Maybe not a bad idea, if I use a big wooden chisel to tap on the rail.

The one good thing about the door glass is that its flat, so in the event it gets broke it will be easy to replace. I would put the glass down on a piece of carpet, get a paint stir stick and start at a end and gently smack the stick. Go back and forth until it submits.:dunno:
On the door, it looks like a screw right above where the flat bar appears in the middle of the latch, mabe not?:headscrat:D

Ha! Wooden chisel!:rocker:

The glass is pretty good shape, but I'm thinking for this little girl it will get all new glass.

No, all the screws are out.:sad:

Remember you are 1 person(I don't know how old) but if there is not anyone to continue what you do, you need to PRIORITIZE. I have started to cutback on what I have collected over the years and have gotten rid of some things. I find time is not on my side. I have cut down from 5 vehicles to three and I see the difference there. You have lots of neat stuff. The problem is "too" much neat stuff.

I'm only 68, I'm still looking for more projects to help stave off boredom in my old age.:rocker::rocker:

I have started to cut back, I'm down from 65 farm tractors to about 50 now:sad:

I really don't mind dying with lots of stuff for my son to dispose of. (inheritance should take some work:)) He already has two of my cars, and his five window 48 Chevy, so he will want the rest. My regret is that I can't go to my auction. I should say, I won't go to my auction, no sale while I'm still kicking!

Thanks for the visits and comments, guys. The little brown dog is eating more and more each day and when I call her name she comes running full speed with her ears flapping. She now hangs around with me all the time I'm outside. It is great to be wanted!;)

Enjoy this Saturday, we're off to the podiatrist!:rocker::rocker:
 

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Andy,

I've stopped by a few times before and keep abreast of your work. I must admit, you sir work A LOT! There's always interesting things that come up on your thread and this Studdebaker is definitely one of them.

Keep up the hard work!
 

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I bet you have the Stude done on time, with the way you work. There may or may not have many comments, but doesn't mean we're not looking at the pictures.
 

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The pic of the eclipse shadows is pretty neat - I wondered if you were in the right spot for the show. :thumbup:

Pulling the Studebaker apart looks like "fun", but Hershey will be there "helping" in no time. :lol:



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You may have to work on some Saturdays, but you can meet that deadline.
There will always be one project that is under some pressure to get done, it has now moved on from the MF to the Studebaker.
Don't commit to anything else with a deadline this year and you should still have plenty of time for other (more fun) things too. I actually think that once the frame of the Dakota is in your new paintbooth, and the Stude is on the upswing, this project may become more fun for you.
 
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Andy,

I've stopped by a few times before and keep abreast of your work. I must admit, you sir work A LOT! There's always interesting things that come up on your thread and this Studdebaker is definitely one of them.

Keep up the hard work!

Thank you for the kind words!:bowdown:

I very much enjoy making things and fixing things. So I'm having a blast in retirement!:rocker:

Andy, congrats on getting adopted by Hershey. I'm sure she will take care of you.

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Thank you! She is a special dog, I can already tell she is very smart. She has already brought me a lot of joy. She got into a stack of plastic potting pots I had saved and chewed them and spread them around. I was amused and picked them up, as well as put away some extension cords. She's just a big puppy and I'm going to enjoy watching her grow out of it.

I bet you have the Stude done on time, with the way you work. There may or may not have many comments, but doesn't mean we're not looking at the pictures.

I don't know, I'm only working on it on Saturdays...

Thanks for your kind comments! Comments do inspire me.

The pic of the eclipse shadows is pretty neat - I wondered if you were in the right spot for the show. :thumbup:

Pulling the Studebaker apart looks like "fun", but Hershey will be there "helping" in no time. :lol:

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We were about at 88% of totality. In 2024 we will be closer. Only seven years, that will fly by.

I'm enjoying taking it apart, some of it is a little tough, but it's going. I'm about ready to get the cab off the frame and the frame out of the shop. Hershey does not come into the shop. I'm not sure that will happen, I'd have to clean it up.:willy_nil

The dogs that find you always seem to be the best dogs.

Amen! We have never bought a dog, and have had up to four at one time. Our favorite was Duke, however, who was on a "to give away" at work. A fine adult German Shepherd.

Our smartest was Birdie, a little black bird dog about Hershey's size. She came with the farm, and would grin. Beware grinning dogs. Before we closed on the farm I borrowed one of their tractors and went to repair a section of fence. Got stuck in quicksand in the creek. Walked to the house and got a chain and their other tractor. Took off my boots to wade into the stream and pulled the tractor out. Birdie followed me all the way. I got the tractor out and could only find one boot. Drove to the house and was surprised the lady of the house had my boot. Said Birdie brought it up. Later I realized she thought I had lost them and would have retrieved both had I not put one back on.

We had three dogs, one morning as we were leaving in the dark for work, my wife shouted "I only have one whole treat, first one here gets it", Birdie was over by the shop, she ran toward the fence barking the "bunny!, bunny!" bark and the other two dogs were through the fence running around in the pasture barking as Birdie walked up to get her whole treat, grinning.

Never trust a grinning dog.

I think I've seen Hershey grin at me.

so true, he 4 now, got him about a month old,

Great friends. No loyalty like a dog.


Thanks for stopping in, guys, I'll refill the Coke machine.


Today:

Made it to the doctor, then got a call my bench top was ready so I went to pick it up.

Pictures at 11:00:bounce:

Took the lock off the driver's door and discovered the problem with the passenger door is just the door handle rod is frozen in the actuator. The driver's side came right off.

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Moved the crane in place and supported the door but had no time to pull the screws out.

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Thanks for the visits!
 

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You may have to work on some Saturdays, but you can meet that deadline.
There will always be one project that is under some pressure to get done, it has now moved on from the MF to the Studebaker.
Don't commit to anything else with a deadline this year and you should still have plenty of time for other (more fun) things too. I actually think that once the frame of the Dakota is in your new paintbooth, and the Stude is on the upswing, this project may become more fun for you.

Thanks for that advice. I have no idea how much work I have yet to do. Surely making patch plates will get quicker, but I'm not worried, it will get done when it gets done. Not making any other commitments is a biggie:rocker:

I've got some casting to do, but the Studebaker is top priority now. And it is moving.
 

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Hey Andy, I was just thinking (I'll try not to hurt my brain too much) :headscrat...
Before delving too deeply into fixing the floor of the Studebaker - it might be easier to graft a section of the Dakota floor on (incorporating the factory chassis mounts). :dunno:


I never worried about grinning dogs, but I did get to know what to expect whenever I noticed that my dog was smiling (particularly in a boat or moving vehicle). :puke:


I do like that crane. :thumbup:
 

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I don't know if you have or watch the Velocity channel on the tv. But about a week or so ago their was a show, can't think of the name right now, but the guys name is Dan Short and he owns the shop called FantomWorks. He's in Norfolk Virginia. Anyway they were doing a Studebaker truck and they grafted the nose of the Studebaker car, the one that has the bullet nose. It looked pretty nice.
 

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I don't know if you have or watch the Velocity channel on the tv. But about a week or so ago their was a show, can't think of the name right now, but the guys name is Dan Short and he owns the shop called FantomWorks. He's in Norfolk Virginia. Anyway they were doing a Studebaker truck and they grafted the nose of the Studebaker car, the one that has the bullet nose. It looked pretty nice.

Herb

The "Fantomworks" show is one of my faves down here.

I don't know how far behind we are with the real show, but I love the work they do, and their commitment to doing it right...... If I had the money - well heavens knows. . . . . .

Andy - sorry for the hijack!

Lyndon
Yep - that one!
 

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Hey Andy, I was just thinking (I'll try not to hurt my brain too much) :headscrat...
Before delving too deeply into fixing the floor of the Studebaker - it might be easier to graft a section of the Dakota floor on (incorporating the factory chassis mounts). :dunno:


I never worried about grinning dogs, but I did get to know what to expect whenever I noticed that my dog was smiling (particularly in a boat or moving vehicle). :puke:


I do like that crane. :thumbup:

I'll have to measure and see what swapping floors would entail. Thanks for the idea!

BB, I too am taking a big like to that crane. Thinks me will have to make one.

I'm wishing my floor were smoother, it has lots of spalled areas from the fire. Not too bad, but the crane does hang up.

Looking forward to your build!

I don't know if you have or watch the Velocity channel on the tv. But about a week or so ago their was a show, can't think of the name right now, but the guys name is Dan Short and he owns the shop called FantomWorks. He's in Norfolk Virginia. Anyway they were doing a Studebaker truck and they grafted the nose of the Studebaker car, the one that has the bullet nose. It looked pretty nice.

My wife never watches car shows :)

Sounds like an interesting build. I'm just learning what I'm getting into.

Herb

The "Fantomworks" show is one of my faves down here.

I don't know how far behind we are with the real show, but I love the work they do, and their commitment to doing it right...... If I had the money - well heavens knows. . . . . .

Andy - sorry for the hijack!

Lyndon
Yep - that one!

Hijacks welcome! That's where all the interesting stuff is!!:eyecrazy:


That would be sensible. I've never had a switchable one.

I was sitting on the porch today, she came up and put her head on my knee.

Have one of those on the Camaro. Really handy.

Might try that!

Thanks for the comments, guys!

Short update for today.

Here's the 16 gauge I bought to go on a wood bench. It has a break down at the front to cover the front of the bench, and one up at the back to make a small backsplash. We'll see how well they broke it according to my drawing (assuming my measurements were right).

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It goes on this bench. This is where I like to do carburetors and pumps, I try to keep grinding and welding away from it. It''s still a bit cluttered from the Massey Ferguson debacle.

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If this works out I may put steel on my other wooden benches. This is only 16 gauge, but I think it will hold up.

Gave up on the passenger door disassembly and drilled out the end of the handle shaft. It was well frozen in place. Driver door latch came right out so I knew it was just rust. Three days of PB blaster, punch and BFH would not budge it. Here I've pilot drilled it and started a relief drill.

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Even after the center was drilled out it would not budge so I got a cape chisel after it. It's out now!

Doors are gone, but if we don't speed up it may never get done :)

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Thanks for looking in!
 

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Andy: Just catching up and you have been a busy man. A couple of thoughts:

Hershey looks like a keeper. It is amazing what a regular diet will do to foster friendship.

How dark did 88% eclipse coverage seem to you? We were at 97% and the best way I could describe it is it darkened like a thunderstorm without clouds. Not enough to turn any of the automated lights on, but the crickets did seem to get louder. My friends who went to West KY where it was 100% got a much better show. Of course I was home in 5 minutes and their 3 hour drive took 9 hours. For the next one, make sure you get some of the paper "eclipse glasses" or use a 13 welding shade. It was pretty cool looking up at the sun, but I didn't get any good photos of it.

On the Studebaker window, can you get a thin piece of sheet metal in there or maybe a small flexible spatula? If it is an adhesive a few passes with a heat gun might help loosen it up, but it might also cause the gel in the glass to bubble.

Enjoy your Saturday. Some of us have to get back to work.
 
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