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Wow, I finally get internet back and start to catch up in threads and bam..... it's like the unexpected twist in a novel I have been enjoying.... Brent, I can't add much to the good advice and comments already expressed. I do hate to see you having to sell the rod as that I know you would have loved the journey to completion. I sold my first two "children" which were a 69 RS Camaro convertible and a 67 corvette convertible to help fund my youngest medical expenses. It was bittersweet as I miss those cars but it was the right decision at the time. I wish you well as these are tough decisions but when you put your family first it always seems to work out better in the end. I had to put off my "dream shop" for a lot of years but now I getting something more than I had hoped and all of my family are better off by making those tough decisions early on.... Good luck and as Bob Heine said.... enjoy the journey!


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Wow, I just spent the last few hours going through this entire thread and I was not expecting that final twist! Good luck Brent, and thanks for sharing your garage with us! I have no doubt you'll be successful in your endeavors.

Cheers,
George
 

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Debt free is a goal of ours also. The wife and I have been discussing it lately. I try to live by the experiences not possessions thought, I have stuff that I enjoy, car projects etc. but Im not the latest thing I have to have kinda person, I get alot of **** for that at work. :lol:I drive old cars etc. and save up to buy is my new way of life. God bless and good luck on your journey.:thumbup:
 

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Brent- put your family first is the most important thing you can do. You will have another place and another shop to work on - those are just material things. Being able to support your family and show your kids what a real does will make lasting impression and serve another generation. I wouldn't enjoy the freedoms I have today if I was burdened with debt. I highly recommend Dave
Ramsey Total Money Makeover as a plan to attack the debt and take control of your family's future. Best of luck and God bless.


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Brent- put your family first is the most important thing you can do. You will have another place and another shop to work on - those are just material things. Being able to support your family and show your kids what a real does will make lasting impression and serve another generation. I wouldn't enjoy the freedoms I have today if I was burdened with debt. I highly recommend Dave
Ramsey Total Money Makeover as a plan to attack the debt and take control of your family's future. Best of luck and God bless.


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As a graduate of Dave Ramsey's Entreleadership Series, I can tell you there is no better pathway to being debt free than the "total money makeover". You can't out earn your stupidity regardless of how much you make, and I should know.

There's a house on every corner, your family will make the next one a home. 1 step back, leaps forward. Good luck with the life change, I enjoyed your thread!
 

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It may be hard now, but in the end once you reach your goals, you will look back and be glad you made this decision. I am also a huge Dave Ramsey fan. Live like no one else, so later you can live like no one else.

I also invest in rentals. If you aren't aware of it, please check out biggerpockets.com. It is an AWESOME community of real estate investors!!! I suggest you check out the podcasts 1st to get an idea of what it is about. You will be hooked!!
 

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HOLY COW. I miss a couple of days and the world turns upside down. That must have been a tough decision. But you have to chase your dreams. And debt free is always a good thing. Good luck.
 

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Hi Brent,

What a shocker! Oh well, I'm sure it will be for the best in the long run. Please keep us posted. I am still planning to put together a thread. I've just been super busy.

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Brent,

I must say it has been an inspiration following along with your build and the amazing progress you have made. That being said, the decision to what is right for your family over shadows all the work you have done in an amazing and positive way! Not many people would be willing to do what you have decided and that is the most inspiring part of all!! Please don't be a stranger and keep us updated on your progress in your next steps in life. Once again thank you for sharing your ideas, progress and set backs with us and most of all GOOD LUCK!!

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First off, thanks for all the comments/support. I'm continually learning from you guys.

I've been called many things in my day, but today I can finally put to rest the lingering theory that I am Nostradamus reincarnated...because I sure didn't see this one coming!:bounce: Hehe

Brent, being debt free is certainly a great goal to have. And I don't fault you one bit for choosing to achieve that for you and your family. But dayumm, all the work you've put into your great little garage! :( And your house too, of course. I just hope you will be able to find a buyer who will even have a decent glimpse of appreciation of the soul you have put into your garage. I guess what I'm saying is that I hope you will have the time to be choosy of who will be the next caretakers of your wonderful creation during this glimpse in time. :)

All the best to you, your family & to your endeavours.:beer:

Oh, and best of luck living with family, I hope they are mellow folks. That scenario often provides a unique challenge all it's own, right there. :D

Nostradamus! My in-laws are great folks. Even though our cultures are different we get along well. That's not to say we haven't clashed a time or two. The common denominator is their daughter and they get that everything I do is for her and the kids. So, they have no problem with us moving in if that's what we want/need to do. Since my previous post there have been developments, I'll share more on that in a bit.

I'm sure things will be just fine with you and your family there Brent. Life takes us in many places and things change. There's nothing wrong with that but it is hard for some to understand. The important thing is that you make your own path and life that's best for you. Wish you best of luck and look forward to following you on your new journey.

Gerard, thanks man! Over the last few weeks or really this past week, we got to a place where there's a more defined plan and that's something I've wanted since before we were married. I'm glad I never gave up. There were certainly times when I figured we weren't ever going to be on the same page and I nearly resigned myself to that way of thinking.

Brent, I understand your decision. Life without debt is quite different and un-American to many. Debt-free isn't stress-free but it helps you get to that goal as well.

If the journey is more important than the destination (as I think it is) your Rehabbed Garage journey will be with you forever. Please take us along on your new one because I'm not your only fan.

Bob, I love the way you think/write. Like most things when you take something on the people around you share their opinions. It's not surprising that there have been people to say "I'm crazy," or "that debt isn't bad," and "that being in debt is way of life."

Honestly, though, I think where my thought process goes awry is that in wanting to be debt free instantly there's going to be a cost down the road. We have our last meeting/interview ,tomorrow, with an agent whose been putting together her valuation and such. After we meet we'll make the choice.

Up to this point I've done a lot of research and what I was finding really made me second guess selling. I'll get to that with my response to Duker.

Wow, I finally get internet back and start to catch up in threads and bam..... it's like the unexpected twist in a novel I have been enjoying.... Brent, I can't add much to the good advice and comments already expressed. I do hate to see you having to sell the rod as that I know you would have loved the journey to completion. I sold my first two "children" which were a 69 RS Camaro convertible and a 67 corvette convertible to help fund my youngest medical expenses. It was bittersweet as I miss those cars but it was the right decision at the time. I wish you well as these are tough decisions but when you put your family first it always seems to work out better in the end. I had to put off my "dream shop" for a lot of years but now I getting something more than I had hoped and all of my family are better off by making those tough decisions early on.... Good luck and as Bob Heine said.... enjoy the journey!
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Hey Duker! First, glad to see you posting. I hope you and the folks in your life are hanging in there.

I started selling stuff this week and with each sale I march over to the ATM, deposit them $ and put it toward the debt once I get to a computer. Since Tuesday I've sold about $400 worth and I'm working on deal of over 5K worth of stuff. That's barely a dent in the collection in the storage condo.

Luckily, I have all these old Ford parts collected. Because without them it would mean a lot more money out of pocket and a lot more time should the house not get listed.

And that's a consideration, no listing our home, because the current sentiment is that if we sell the house we will be free of debt instantly and we could buy a rental - just as instantly, but then in a year or two we'll be getting into a market that's projected to increase 4-8% in the next year alone.

Second to that, we live in a desirable area. This is the area we'd like to return to. THe more I talk/write about it, the more I see that I'd be trading off my debt now, which isn't anything suffocating/severe, for more debt later and maybe not as large a property and certainly not with a shop.

All this thinking has made me aware of one thing, for certain, we have it pretty good.

This is my first post on GJ... I was planning on mostly lurking but am compelled to add a comment.
Wow, I just spent the last few hours going through this entire thread and I was not expecting that final twist! Good luck Brent, and thanks for sharing your garage with us! I have no doubt you'll be successful in your endeavors.

Cheers,
George

Thanks, George. No matter what we choose, I think as a couple we're now on a much better trajectory.

I appreciate you posting up here. With the way you think/write you should be posting more (my opinion).

Debt free is a goal of ours also. The wife and I have been discussing it lately. I try to live by the experiences not possessions thought, I have stuff that I enjoy, car projects etc. but Im not the latest thing I have to have kinda person, I get alot of **** for that at work. :lol:I drive old cars etc. and save up to buy is my new way of life. God bless and good luck on your journey.:thumbup:


Thanks so much, Hub.

Brent- put your family first is the most important thing you can do. You will have another place and another shop to work on - those are just material things. Being able to support your family and show your kids what a real does will make lasting impression and serve another generation. I wouldn't enjoy the freedoms I have today if I was burdened with debt. I highly recommend Dave
Ramsey Total Money Makeover as a plan to attack the debt and take control of your family's future. Best of luck and God bless.

I'm a believer in Dave Ramsey and his theory on taking care of debt. I've read all his books and listen to him a time or two per week. I've gotten our office into buying employees Total Money Makeover.

I follow some other folks, too, and the thing that keeps coming up for me is that we can make more money, especially me. It's just that we've gotten comfortable, especially me. That said, I've shaken things up and I'm doing some things that I've wanted to do but haven't. I've written (more correctly I have nearly finished) couple children's books (6 actually) and I'm working on getting them illustrated. I've also started another side business that I can work on at night. Even if I can make a couple grand a year from that, it's more than I had without it. While I'm selling stuff I'm not going to jump back into construction but I will take side jobs once everything is gone.

If I can clear the debt in 9-12 months, I could be have enough to put 20% on a rental property in another 12-18 months.

As a graduate of Dave Ramsey's Entreleadership Series, I can tell you there is no better pathway to being debt free than the "total money makeover". You can't out earn your stupidity regardless of how much you make, and I should know.

There's a house on every corner, your family will make the next one a home. 1 step back, leaps forward. Good luck with the life change, I enjoyed your thread!


Thanks, Bowtiguy. I'd like to know more about his EntreLeadership stuff. Not to sidetrack my own thread but did you do the Master Series? If so, I'd love to hear about your experience. PM me if you'd like to keep it private.

Oh, and thanks!

It may be hard now, but in the end once you reach your goals, you will look back and be glad you made this decision. I am also a huge Dave Ramsey fan. Live like no one else, so later you can live like no one else.

I also invest in rentals. If you aren't aware of it, please check out biggerpockets.com. It is an AWESOME community of real estate investors!!! I suggest you check out the podcasts 1st to get an idea of what it is about. You will be hooked!!

I love BiggerPockets. When I was first reading over there it was like reading a foreign language. I spent a good deal of time Googling to make sense. I'll look into the podcasts, too! Thanks for the heads up!!!

HOLY COW. I miss a couple of days and the world turns upside down. That must have been a tough decision. But you have to chase your dreams. And debt free is always a good thing. Good luck.

The world turning upside down is a perfect way to say it. I guess I may have posted prematurely because after the final agent comes over, my wife and I are going to sit down and make some choices. Becoming debt free is the priority. So, no matter what happens that's the goal. How it happens, that's what is still up in the air.

One thing I can say, without a doubt is that the places in our area with set-ups like ours or with a shop-type outbuilding, sell fast. A few people have heard we may be selling and have contacted me for more information about the place. They are seeing what I have seen in the last few weeks, every single place that's in the 400-650k range (no matter the condition - seriously) that has a detached garage or a shop outbuilding has sold with solid, multiple back-up offers.

We just watched a place with a MIL apartment, a nice 30-something by 26 shop everything needing renovation (including the roof of both buildings) sell for 500k - cash!

That's got me thinking, like I said, perhaps we should stay here and enjoy my shop as well as continue to improve our little place, which is on course to be paid off in 7-ish years (with a 3.25 interest rate) and pay off our debt and then start investing in couple multi-family properties because we have it better than I realized. I didn't think that selling and becoming debt free asap would be the more difficult option. But, it may be. We may have a hard time coming back into the area.

I'm not saying anything you guys don't already know, but there's no timing the market. We could sell now and leave 30k on the table vs selling it next spring/summer. Or we could be living with my in-laws for two years and still get priced out of where we want to live and end up jumping back in and have a mortgage that's 4x our current one.

Anyway, that's what's going on. I'm going to paint the garage this weekend because it's on the to-do list. As well, because while I have it, I want to enjoy it.

And, thanks again to all of you. If I could hold a BBQ and fill your bellies with beer (the good cheap kind, my favorite :lol:), I would.
 

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Brent, with your mortgage o be paid off in 7 years I would stay where your at. IMO being mortgage free would be great thing. It would help knowing you have a roof over your head the you own outright then you'll be able to pay off your debt. Myself the only people I owe money to is my mortgage company. No credit cards, no car payments but I live cash poor. Down the road i will inherit a house that's paided off and I will sell mine and try to break even. Definitely a case of buying my house in 2006. We love the house, neighborhood, and love area in general. We just bought the house at wrong time. If fact we didn't buy my house first time it came on the market and when we had chance few years later we said it was fate. How often you get to buy same house twice? I like idea of paying the house off and maybe selling off something's to ease the debt issue.

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I have been reading your whole thread when I get a few minutes for the past few weeks. All I can say for the transformation is wow. You inspired me to take a serious look at the functionality of my garage and I am starting to declutter/organize as well.

Good luck with the rental property venture. That is something that I hope to do at some point as well. I at the very least need to finish remodeling my house and recover from the cost of buying.

Again, good luck in your new venture!
 
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I cannot perfectly describe how much I appreciate all the folks who've reached out to me since we started wrestling with whether to sell or not. I've learned a lot from your experience and I'm thankful, once again, for this thread because I've gained a lot of new perspective/insight.

I don't have time, at the moment, for a in-depth update on things but I will take a moment tonight to get caught up.

That being said, I did want to share a milestone for the garage. It's finally a color that compliments the house and rather than something inspired by an old stick of butter.

Right after I had the windows blocked in I got a quote for $1400 to paint the place (just the walls, nothing else) so I passed on that. I spent $108 including lunch. I was interrupted a few times by thunderstorms but other than that it was a quick/easy project and it looks a million times better.

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No pic from the front, yet, as I have the kid's sandbox to move and there a couple ladders sitting out front from a different house project. For the first time in a long while the front of the garage will be clean and clear on Friday/Saturday. I'm excited for it.
 

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Brent: Paint looks great. I do not recall if your walls were painted before or not. My garage is similar size and has never been painted. Since I live with this thing called humidity I am going to have to pressure wash the block before I can start to paint so I have put it off so far. Two questions. Were your walls previously painted and what paint did you go with?

On another note, consider the painting practice for owning rental property. You may hire it out, but it seems like it always comes back to having something needing a quick coat of paint. Most of the owners I do work for use the same color for all of their properties.
 

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WOW!!!

Brent, I am dumbfounded. I've been away for about a week on vacation and trying to get caught up and just read that you are selling your home.

I wish you and your family the absolute best during this time, and process. I know how hard of a decision it is to move and how much stress it can create, although ours was the opposite way. We were debt free with our last house and now have a mortgage again.:( Once I realized it was the best decision for our family I accepted it and moved forward.

I completely agree with you that people we work with that don't have shops or garages just don't understand our obsession with them nor our desire to spend time in them. I too found that I got more support on this forum from friends than I did from co-workers/friends and even family for that matter.

Knocking down debt is not for the faint of heart as it seems most people are good at racking up debt.:scared: For me selling my paid for home and going back to a manageable mortgage was not something I wanted to do but now after getting the yard done and shop completed I am able to throw more at my mortgage and although we are just getting started I see us being debt free at this rate in about 10 years so our early retirement can still be a reality if we stick to our plan.

Again, I wish you and your family the best and if I can be of any help, please don't hesitate to give me a shout.
 
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Brent: Paint looks great. I do not recall if your walls were painted before or not. My garage is similar size and has never been painted. Since I live with this thing called humidity I am going to have to pressure wash the block before I can start to paint so I have put it off so far. Two questions. Were your walls previously painted and what paint did you go with?

Hey Kenny, yeah, the exterior walls were painted a delicious "old butter" color. I've wanted to change it since we bought the place but there have always been priorities ahead of it.

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WOW!!!

Brent, I am dumbfounded. I've been away for about a week on vacation and trying to get caught up and just read that you are selling your home.

I wish you and your family the absolute best during this time, and process. I know how hard of a decision it is to move and how much stress it can create, although ours was the opposite way. We were debt free with our last house and now have a mortgage again.:( Once I realized it was the best decision for our family I accepted it and moved forward.

I completely agree with you that people we work with that don't have shops or garages just don't understand our obsession with them nor our desire to spend time in them. I too found that I got more support on this forum from friends than I did from co-workers/friends and even family for that matter.

Knocking down debt is not for the faint of heart as it seems most people are good at racking up debt.:scared: For me selling my paid for home and going back to a manageable mortgage was not something I wanted to do but now after getting the yard done and shop completed I am able to throw more at my mortgage and although we are just getting started I see us being debt free at this rate in about 10 years so our early retirement can still be a reality if we stick to our plan.

Again, I wish you and your family the best and if I can be of any help, please don't hesitate to give me a shout.

Thanks, Mike. In the last two weeks I've knocked out over 3 grand. My 32 chassis and some related parts are slated to go out over the next couple weekends and that will knock out over 5k worth. There's still a lot more to sell, too.

I'm going to wrap up what I learned about the local real estate market, our valuation and the experience with the realtor(s) in a few minutes.
 

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I pulled down the barn quilt and put up this patriotic star. We had a few days of overcast and rain and I couldn't get a decent photo but the moment I saw blue sky, I headed out to snap a better photo.

I still have a couple ladders laying around the front of the garage, preventing me from a finished front pic. I have a tree to take down and the ladders are hanging around for that, then they'll get put into storage.

The next project is to finish up the attic.
 

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I almost bumped your thread last night to see what your status was. Glad to see you're still working on your garage.

Thanks, man!

I haven’t been working on it all that much (or the projects sitting and collecting dust), unfortunately. There are a few things I’d like to knock out before the cold weather so I will have more updates coming.

As far as the talk of selling, I can say without a doubt that we are sticking around. There are too many positives in our situation. We lost sight of all of it by the lure of immediately being debt free and cashing in on the market. It’s been great to get refocused to what we do have and how fortunate we are. Sure, my wife would like another bathroom in the house and a little more space and I’d love to be debt free (and just plain old “free”) but we are on the same page about this stuff for the first time. And, to me, that’s worth more.

The agent we were considering working with was really REALLY eager to sell the house, when she and her partner saw the garage, they were pretty wide-eyed and the price they calculated the home could sell for increased. That was pretty neat to see their expressions and hear what they thought. A couple days later when we got the number they believed the property could bring, I was well aware that we couldn’t buy back in (even at a higher price point) and get exactly what we’d want in our area.

So, since then, I’ve knocked out about 4 grand in debt and have a few irons in the fire that could knock out about 15/16k more. All things considered, I could have most debts cleared by the end of 2018. However, some saving had to go to a reroof of our house. Since we’re wanting to stay, we opted for a bid the was in the middle but had a 40 yr warranty.
 

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That's really cool that your garage would add a nice bump in value to your house! I wish it would do the same in my neighborhood. If I could recoup even 60% of the cost I would build a new garage next to my neighbor's garage and tear down the existing garage in a heartbeat. But I'd lose $10K-$15K. Just not worth it, hence why I'm killing time.

And we're kind of in the same situation here, it's not worth moving within the city. The only other neighborhood we really like is 10 minutes further away from everything for us and in a much worse school district. There aren't any neighborhoods like ours in my son's school district that we love. There is a nice one, but the houses are about 10% more and all have structural issues because they were built over an old underground mine site. When we looked the ones we could afford all needed a LOT of work or they had small lots with only 1 car garages. Really tiny 1 car garages.

I finally got around to making progress on my work table and work bench projects this past weekend. Man I can't wait to get them done and out of the garage! And I'm still purging stuff from the basement and garage...

So... should I leave this here for you?

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Thanks for the update Brent. Really glad to hear you are keeping the place.

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Thanks for the update Brent. Really glad to hear you are keeping the place.

Bret

X 2.

Sometimes there is clarity found in looking for the so called "third alternative".

Thanks also for the paint suggestions a couple of weeks ago. It has been a busy couple of weeks on my end trying to take advantage of cooler temps before it gets too cool or wet in a month or two. :beer:
 

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This was a real roller coaster on the last couple pages! I had started it a few times, but never finished, now 46 pages later, I am all caught up. The place looks great, hopefully you can make the house work, especially since the garage is now up to the task!
 

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Brent glad to see that you decided to stay. You and your family need your own place. The in-laws may be great but there is nothing better than you and your wife having that time to yourselves in your own place. You can still get there slower and it will be better in the long run.

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Just catching up again myself Brent. Chasing FI should now become easier with your wife on the same page. Sounds like you are already putting a dent in the remainder of the mortgage. As it turns out we've been pushing the mortage debt reduction heavily also this year.

Glad your adventures in the current digs will continue for the time being anyway. New paint looks great.

Happy to PM some of my FI blogs/podcasts that I've been reading the last few months if you are interested, although you may end up already being familiar with them.

What kids age group are your books aimed at if I may ask ?

Cheers GB.
 

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Brent,
I'm so impressed with your garage build and just love the overall look by use of the old tin and the rough lumber from pallets. It really showed off well in the professional pics. I've spent about the last week slowly reading through your thread from page 1 and it was a very interesting journey right up to the roller coaster final few pages. But I am glad to hear you are keeping it and still working towards your goals of being debt free. I would recommend the same line of thought regarding your car projects too. Maybe you can't do them all right now but you seem to have a passion for old Fords and should have at least one project to provide that outlet for your talents.
I really connected with your desire to make everything clean and neat in the garage. I'm going through a similar process as I just built a new building and it's taking me forever to move in because I'm determined that every item that goes in there will be either, washed, wiped off good or painted before it enters. Just spent the better part of yesterday completely dismantling a roller tool cabinet so I could wash it inside and out before moving it. So I enjoyed your determination not to be cluttered all the time. We all make temporary messes when in the middle of a project but its so nice to have a place to put everything away when done.
The Sugar House Spl seems to have a bit of local history to it. That's cool and should definitely be saved. What are your plans for the Model A coupe? I have a '29 roadster I'm enjoying finally this summer.
And please, any more of that "aging" of metal process, create yourself an outside work station and wear a good filter mask. The fumes from that can be harmful and you need to be around a long time for those great little shop helpers of yours.
Looking forward to following along in the future as you move on to various shop projects.
 

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I’m all for debt free. However, there are times when it is worth it. Debt for this project? Yes, it is worth it.
 
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That's really cool that your garage would add a nice bump in value to your house! I wish it would do the same in my neighborhood. If I could recoup even 60% of the cost I would build a new garage next to my neighbor's garage and tear down the existing garage in a heartbeat. But I'd lose $10K-$15K. Just not worth it, hence why I'm killing time.

And we're kind of in the same situation here, it's not worth moving within the city. The only other neighborhood we really like is 10 minutes further away from everything for us and in a much worse school district. There aren't any neighborhoods like ours in my son's school district that we love. There is a nice one, but the houses are about 10% more and all have structural issues because they were built over an old underground mine site. When we looked the ones we could afford all needed a LOT of work or they had small lots with only 1 car garages. Really tiny 1 car garages.

I finally got around to making progress on my work table and work bench projects this past weekend. Man I can't wait to get them done and out of the garage! And I'm still purging stuff from the basement and garage...

So... should I leave this here for you?

Aqualu Aluminum Samurai Bodies and Accessories

Cheers Brent!
Thanks, BMF!
Adding to the value of the home isn’t a motivator in the things we’ve done but it is nice to see what we’ve done puts the value at a higher mark. And after looking at a lot of properties, I’m inspired to landscape and make the yard a much more enjoyable place to spend time.

And regarding those Aqualu bodies, I’ve seen a CJ tub but never a Sammy body. For what a Samurai is, I don’t think I’d ever do that swap, unless I found one for a deal.
Thanks for the update Brent. Really glad to hear you are keeping the place.

Bret
Thanks, Bret. Me too.
X 2.

Sometimes there is clarity found in looking for the so called "third alternative".

Thanks also for the paint suggestions a couple of weeks ago. It has been a busy couple of weeks on my end trying to take advantage of cooler temps before it gets too cool or wet in a month or two. :beer:
Kenny, you’re right about the 3rd alternative. With the way my brain works, I feel like I’m tipped more toward to having decent ability to problem solve. With this whole thing, I think my emotions were getting the best of me. It took a while to see the correct path. The great take-away is that it got my wife and I talking about a lot of things, some of which we hadn’t ever discussed. And, to add to that, we just passed our 8th anniversary and I think our outlook is better than ever because we got one the same page and hashed out the whole thing together.
This was a real roller coaster on the last couple pages! I had started it a few times, but never finished, now 46 pages later, I am all caught up. The place looks great, hopefully you can make the house work, especially since the garage is now up to the task!
Thanks, Strouty. I’m looking forward to tackling a few looming projects and I’ve got to say, your diligence has been part of the inspiration to getting back on track.
Brent glad to see that you decided to stay. You and your family need your own place. The in-laws may be great but there is nothing better than you and your wife having that time to yourselves in your own place. You can still get there slower and it will be better in the long run.

Dwight
Thanks, Dwight You are right, more than you know.
The new exterior paint job looks great!:thumbup:
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Just catching up again myself Brent. Chasing FI should now become easier with your wife on the same page. Sounds like you are already putting a dent in the remainder of the mortgage. As it turns out we've been pushing the mortage debt reduction heavily also this year.

Glad your adventures in the current digs will continue for the time being anyway. New paint looks great.

Happy to PM some of my FI blogs/podcasts that I've been reading the last few months if you are interested, although you may end up already being familiar with them.

What kids age group are your books aimed at if I may ask ?

Cheers GB.

GB, thanks and please do send me anything you found helpful – whenever!
Since my kids are 3 and 5 and we’re always reading I have been working on the early readers, say 3-8 years old. I’m actually really enjoying it, although finding an illustrator has been challenging, thus far. Writing has been a lifelong goal of mine but I always put it off for lots of “reasons.” But, no more – I’ve wasted enough time and life is too short.

Brent,
I'm so impressed with your garage build and just love the overall look by use of the old tin and the rough lumber from pallets. It really showed off well in the professional pics. I've spent about the last week slowly reading through your thread from page 1 and it was a very interesting journey right up to the roller coaster final few pages. But I am glad to hear you are keeping it and still working towards your goals of being debt free. I would recommend the same line of thought regarding your car projects too. Maybe you can't do them all right now but you seem to have a passion for old Fords and should have at least one project to provide that outlet for your talents.

I really connected with your desire to make everything clean and neat in the garage. I'm going through a similar process as I just built a new building and it's taking me forever to move in because I'm determined that every item that goes in there will be either, washed, wiped off good or painted before it enters. Just spent the better part of yesterday completely dismantling a roller tool cabinet so I could wash it inside and out before moving it. So I enjoyed your determination not to be cluttered all the time. We all make temporary messes when in the middle of a project but its so nice to have a place to put everything away when done.

The Sugar House Spl seems to have a bit of local history to it. That's cool and should definitely be saved. What are your plans for the Model A coupe? I have a '29 roadster I'm enjoying finally this summer.

And please, any more of that "aging" of metal process, create yourself an outside work station and wear a good filter mask. The fumes from that can be harmful and you need to be around a long time for those great little shop helpers of yours.
Looking forward to following along in the future as you move on to various shop projects.

rmalkow2, man oh man, your comment has it all. First, thanks for reading the whole dang thing.

When it comes to the car projects, I am conflicted because I want to do it all but I have done a lot of reflection and looking at what I really want… and what’s most important. The A, although it’s a car I’ve built in my head a million times, is going to get sold to clear debt. As well, most of the other stuff in storage is going to. The 26 T is going to stay and get done over the winter. It’s not going to be a tire-roasting hot rod (which is ultimately what I wanted) but it’ll be faster than the brakes. Haha. :lol:

The health comment is the gut punch. I’m healthy so there’s no alarm there. But I’ve been around enough chemicals and such that there’s a risk. I’ve been made very aware of what we take for granted by getting some DNA results back, finding out that I am at a serious risk for Advance Macular Degeneration. In fact, my uncle has been blind from Stargardt Disease for years and it’s likely I could have something similar. I’m going to a Dr. today to get more insight. My eyes aren’t great but I’m more aware than ever that I’m not invincible like I thought I was for so many years.

I want to continue to see my children’s faces and all they’ll do in life, my wife rolling her eyes at me, my own reflection, the sky, the plaid pattern of my lawn after I mow it, and all the other stuff I’ve taken for granted. Hell, I’m tearing up just typing all this.
I’ve been doing a lot of research. And, oddly enough, I had already started getting my diet in better shape and some of what I’d been doing is right in line with preventing AMD or slowing its onset. Pretty much I’ve given up meat (that wasn’t hard at all, for me) and eat 95% plant based. I’m down 11 pounds since September 11th and I’m going to get a body scan so I have real information on what my weight should be minus the visceral and subcutaneous fat.

So, the good, I’m scared straight and I get it. Life is WAY too precious to F with.
The bad, likely no welding and as anything that’s severe or high risk, there are the odds that you can have the perfect diet and things still go to hell. I’m aware, but I’m not going to be scared. I’m going to do what I can and still live.
I’ve got a whole lot I want to do and see and I’m really committed to live way more than I’ve been doing.


I’m all for debt free. However, there are times when it is worth it. Debt for this project? Yes, it is worth it.

Thankfully, I didn’t create all that much debt for the garage! But, debt it debt and I don’t want any part of it. By the middle to end of 2018, most of the debt should be gone.
Again, thanks everyone for the comments. I appreciate them.
 

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I'm glad to read that you will be continuing Your Project, looking forward to more enjoyable Reading, and to get positive ideas for my own garage.
Wishing you all, all the best.
 

Bogdan M.

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I just read that you are thinking about selling the house and garage and I want to wish you good luck on your future projects whatever you decide to do!
You clearly are talented and you have good taste, so even if you have to make some sacrifices right now, you will emerge and build something spectacular.
Ups and downs are a matter of life.
It's awesome that you want to follow your dreams.
Cheers!
 

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Thanks, man!

I haven’t been working on it all that much (or the projects sitting and collecting dust), unfortunately. There are a few things I’d like to knock out before the cold weather so I will have more updates coming.

As far as the talk of selling, I can say without a doubt that we are sticking around. There are too many positives in our situation. We lost sight of all of it by the lure of immediately being debt free and cashing in on the market. It’s been great to get refocused to what we do have and how fortunate we are. Sure, my wife would like another bathroom in the house and a little more space and I’d love to be debt free (and just plain old “free”) but we are on the same page about this stuff for the first time. And, to me, that’s worth more.

The agent we were considering working with was really REALLY eager to sell the house, when she and her partner saw the garage, they were pretty wide-eyed and the price they calculated the home could sell for increased. That was pretty neat to see their expressions and hear what they thought. A couple days later when we got the number they believed the property could bring, I was well aware that we couldn’t buy back in (even at a higher price point) and get exactly what we’d want in our area.

So, since then, I’ve knocked out about 4 grand in debt and have a few irons in the fire that could knock out about 15/16k more. All things considered, I could have most debts cleared by the end of 2018. However, some saving had to go to a reroof of our house. Since we’re wanting to stay, we opted for a bid the was in the middle but had a 40 yr warranty.

Brent, I can't say I am glad to hear you have decided to stay or push forward with the move. All I can say is I am glad you and your wife are on the same page and working together, as I feel that is much more important.

My wife and I were on a similar roller coaster ride for nearly three years in talking about moving. One day she would want to and I would talk her out of it because I didn't want to have a mortgage and a few weeks or month later I would get frustrated with the neighborhood and wanted to move and she would talk me out of it. Last year was the first time we were both in agreement at the same time and it just made sense.

I am surprised that your detached garage added much value to your property. We have always been informed that in our area they don't add much at all and in our case it was literally pennies on the dollar that our nice 34'x34' detached shop added to our value. I think the appraisal came back where the detached shop only added approx. $9k to the value of the home.

Either way it is a big decision and not one to be taken lightly. Glad to see that you and the misses came to a consensus before the plunge vs. after.

Love following along on your shop rehab and look forward to more.
 

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Brent, There’s a lot going on in your life with house, family, and health. I believe your a inspiration to others and are echoing some of that same thoughts I have. Its really great to see you moving in the directions you are. Who would think people of “our” age would think this way? I think it’s more common they people but people don’t say it. I commend you on putting it out there and sharing your thoughts and feelings.
 

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``Unfortunately, no, I am not going to insulate the walls. I debated it prior to the remodel and ultimately chose the retaining space over the heat. The cost is that heat permeates the walls rapidly. ''

Glue 2" thick blueboard foam over the <i>outside </i>of the CMUs. That's an additional R10 with no lost floor space. Paint it with exterior latex until you can put some siding over it.

My concrete house has had 6" of painted blueboard over the outside for several years now. R46 total, and cheap to heat.
 

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I'm a little late to the 'we're not moving' party. Its good to hear you guys have found a path forward that meets your needs.

Health and illness are funny things. Easy to take for granted when everything works right. A whole lot of questions and disappointment when they don't. You can do everything right and still get the short end of the stick.

As much as society tells you 'he who dies with the most toys wins', my most meaningful memories are of people and places. Sure, stuff was required to make the trip happen or whatever, but stuff doesn't tell you a camp fire story or roll her eyes at you when you suggest cheetos and dr pepper as a valid lunch option.

Keep up the good fight. :beer:
 

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I'm also late to the party about the new direction of the shop. I think (for what little it is worth) that you've made the right decision based on what I've read. Keep plugging away at the debt and move into the rental market when you are ready. I have my eye set on debt free and as of today we are 4 years 11 months away (if all goes according to plan) from being completely debt free. Wishing you the best,
JB
 
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Thanks, fellas. I really do appreciate you all. It's really neat to have people, some being half the world away, being genuinely interested in what's going on with me.

We are keeping the house. We've since replaced the roof and windows are coming by year's end. They were supposed to be here in around this time but I'm thinking someone really dropped the ball over at the contractors.

As for me, I've jumped in head first on a project I've always wanted to do and started a website based on tools and people who use them. As a tool user, I love tools new and old but I'm also really passionate about empowering the little guy whether he be a skilled hobbyist whose passion comes to life with tools, a small business owner that either produces or uses tools and anyone that fits in-between. So, a big part of the site will be featuring all sorts of people. Who knows what it will become? But, I'm really looking forward to see both what it becomes and what I'll learn and subsequently become as a result of taking all of this on.

If you're curious, the site's address is Tools365.net (or .xyz). It just went live, yesterday, but it is without content until I get a few bugs worked out with the web guy. I've been sharing and networking on Instagram (and FB even though I kind-of abhor it) and the names are Tools365 over there, as well.

I'm excited to get into talking about and being around tools as well as all things "content" like writing, editing, photography, etc. But more than anything, surprisingly, the response from the craftsman and small biz folks has really inspired me.

Further, the garage is going to be a great place to do a lot of site related work like reviews and such. The more I think about it the more I realize that the whole project has pointed me in this direction. It's weird how that works, right?

As for the projects I've been neglecting, there's now a secondary purpose to get going on them. I'll be able to include them as I progress because (obviously) tool usage is a pretty big part of getting them done.

All that said, thanks again for the comments. I do have some work to get done on the garage. I will be sharing that once I get into a rhythm that isn't so chaotic. :lol:
 
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