Above 1200 Sq/FT The Lone Beech Garage (60x46x16)

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Finally finished up your whole thread. Great build-out and recent score on the machine tools. Looks like you will be set up soon to have some fun.

On an aviation note, I saw this pic on another board from a member that was out at the plane boneyard. I believe its the same one in your avatar.

ddgood,

I am honored to be the recipient of your first post!
I am impressed by your stamina... There are longer threads but there are more shorter ones.

Thanks for the kind words!

That is the YC-14... like me, she doesn't look quite as perky as she did 40 years ago.

In the foreground is a Shorts Skyvan - or one of it's variants. It was used by commuter airlines in the 1980's (apparently also the military) and one of the guys in my new-hire class had flown it prior to being hired at Delta. He was asked if the Shorts flew as bad as it looked. "No", he replied, "but it taxies as bad as it looks."

Ha!

Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

SB: i'm still crossing my fingers that all goes well with the Lathe move off your trailer.

i like all my JET machines and looks like you've got a SWEET one heading your way. good to hear you got a deal too.

DrivesItFar,

Thanks for the crossed fingers.

I think your effort paid off.

Looking forward to the delivery of the Mill this afternoon.


Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Wednesday - November 1, 2017 - Morning


My son and I got out to the LBG at about 9 this morning and got right to it.

A bit of prep prior to the lift:

1. Moved the tractors outside - this will help with the mill delivery this afternoon as well as getting them clear of the hoist.
2. Removed the ramp from the trailer.
3. Hitched the truck to the trailer to add stability to the lifting operation.

Then we began.






My son put some plywood onto the deck of the trailer to protect it from a couple of mounting brackets welded to the bottom of the cabinet.






Raised the lathe to a point the dollies could be removed safely.






Although I had anticipated some movement of the hoist trolley, it moved even more than I thought it would.






Pulled the trailer out from under the lathe and lowered it onto dollies.

I am so glad I installed the Yellow Beam!

It's been a long time since this Rockwell 25-100 has been upright!


Scott

 

[ddgood]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

ddgood,

I am honored to be the recipient of your first post!
I am impressed by your stamina... There are longer threads but there are more shorter ones.

Thanks for the kind words!

That is the YC-14... like me, she doesn't look quite as perky as she did 40 years ago.

In the foreground is a Shorts Skyvan - or one of it's variants. It was used by commuter airlines in the 1980's (apparently also the military) and one of the guys in my new-hire class had flown it prior to being hired at Delta. He was asked if the Shorts flew as bad as it looked. "No", he replied, "but it taxies as bad as it looks."

Ha!

Best regards,

Scott

Did I read that you were involved with the YC-14 program at some point while still in the service? Also, one of my uncle's retired in the late '80s after 32 years with Delta. He spent some time living in Atlanta while serving as Chief Pilot. I've seen a few of the old 'meet your Delta pilot' ads that he was in.

 

[matt_i]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Outstanding machine move! Your prep on the nice low-angle ramp and the electric winch all paid off.

Having the overhead hoist is really starting to pay off

I forgot the designed capacity of the monorail and hoist, but its also acceptable to use a 5/8-11 (standard cast) eyebolt in the top tapped hole in the ram of a Bridgeport knee mill. I have lifted them like this many times. Also communicated with a man who worked at the Bridgeport factory in CT and this was the way they moved the machines around their plant thru the various stages of the process. I would guess that this feature is also broadcast to all of the "clones". I would budget 2000# for the new mill.

You can do pretty well with some bog standard 1/2" diameter 1018 cold rolled steel rods for moving the mill like the egyptians on a concrete floor. Larger diameter rods or a pallet jack are of course easier on the concrete surface's finish, but also present another task of removing the rolling elements and getting the machine back down to ground zero. The elevation of the 1/2" rods are easily removed with a standard prybar.

 

[Caddis295]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Scott,

I live out in Williamson, GA. About 30 minutes away from PTC.

Dino

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Did I read that you were involved with the YC-14 program at some point while still in the service? Also, one of my uncle's retired in the late '80s after 32 years with Delta. He spent some time living in Atlanta while serving as Chief Pilot. I've seen a few of the old 'meet your Delta pilot' ads that he was in.

ddgood,

I was a Flight Controls Engineer at Boeing in the late '70's. I worked (briefly) on the C-14 project.

I got hired by Delta in 1986 so, although I tried very hard to avoid being in the Chief Pilot's office, there's a chance I met him.

Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Outstanding machine move! Your prep on the nice low-angle ramp and the electric winch all paid off.

Having the overhead hoist is really starting to pay off

I forgot the designed capacity of the monorail and hoist, but its also acceptable to use a 5/8-11 (standard cast) eyebolt in the top tapped hole in the ram of a Bridgeport knee mill. I have lifted them like this many times. Also communicated with a man who worked at the Bridgeport factory in CT and this was the way they moved the machines around their plant thru the various stages of the process. I would guess that this feature is also broadcast to all of the "clones". I would budget 2000# for the new mill.

You can do pretty well with some bog standard 1/2" diameter 1018 cold rolled steel rods for moving the mill like the egyptians on a concrete floor. Larger diameter rods or a pallet jack are of course easier on the concrete surface's finish, but also present another task of removing the rolling elements and getting the machine back down to ground zero. The elevation of the 1/2" rods are easily removed with a standard prybar.

matt_i,

Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad to have the Lathe move behind me. I thought that was going to provide the "drama" for the day.

I was wrong.

Thanks for the thoughts on moving the Mill around. I just got off the phone with JET technical support and they confirmed that an Eye-Bolt - for lifting the Mill - is included in the tool kit.

Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Scott,

I live out in Williamson, GA. About 30 minutes away from PTC.

Dino

Dino,

I know right where Williamson is!

At least one fly-in community in that area I believe.


Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Wednesday - November 1, 2017 - Afternoon


With the lathe safely unloaded this morning, I waited calmly for "the professionals" to show up with the Jet Vertical Mill.






"The Girls" were lined up in front of the Lone Beech Garage waiting to get a glimpse of the new machine.

Around 1:30 pm my wife came out to the LBG and said the truck driver was about 5 minutes away. She said he hoped I had "something to help him get this thing off the truck".

When the lady from Estes Express had called yesterday I had said I could help push it if that was necessary but this message had a sound of desperation that was concerning.






I went out and stood by the road and was quite startled to see a 48-foot trailer come around the corner. I chatted with the driver and he did have a lift gate but I didn't think it was going to be much fun backing that big rig into the through bay.

No Problem - he stated.






Since he didn't feel the need to stay on the concrete I can see why he was undaunted by the challenge.







Then the real surprises started. He only had the wimpy pallet jack on his right. He was very excited to see my more burly pallet jack (on his left).

It didn't matter, even the forks of my pallet jack were not spaced wide enough to get around the 16-inches of lumber under the middle of this pallet. Research would seem to indicate that a standard pallet jack has around 14-1/2 inches between the forks - mine is pretty close to 15 inches.

The Mill was sitting on a 6-1/2 foot x 6-1/2 foot pallet. It was enclosed in cardboard 6-1/2 feet tall. It made a perfect 6-1/2 foot cube.

Even if the driver had been able to get this thing to the lift gate with his "girly man" pallet jack, the lift gate is only 5 feet deep. There's going to be at least a foot and a half of pallet sticking out off the end of the truck. Not sure how the mill is oriented under the cardboard - that orientation could be VERY important if the pallet is overhanging the lift gate.

After more than a little flailing in the truck, the driver gave up and left.

I had hoped that "Drama" had left the property with the successful morning I had had.

As my son often says, "Without hope, there can be no despair."

I called Zoro immediately and the rep said she was going to "reach out" to the truck company and call me back "this afternoon". No phone call has been received and it is after close of business.

It will be interesting to see what kind of a solution - if any - they come up with.


Scott

 

[shortykorte]

The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Wow, I'm surprised but also not surprised. Makes one wonder if this is the drivers first delivery. I would think drivers know the weight of items and ensure items are loaded where they can unload with a pallet jack. Hopefully the toy returns tomorrow.


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[matt_i]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

My opinion is its a common problem because it was probably loaded with a forklift.

If you get into the same situation with the liftgate being short, I would open/remove the cardboard enclosure and see what you are actually working with. As long as the main weight of the machine is fully on the plate it should be OK (if its good for that much weight!) Always good to lower the load off the pallet jack to directly contact the liftgate plate as the gate is lowered. There can be deflection significant enough, on the plate surface, due to the load, that it could possibly roll off the edge if elevated on the rollers....

There could be a wooden framework inside of there to prevent the ruthless dock forklift operators from damaging the machine....if you've ever been to a truck freight terminal in person and gone out on the dock you'll know exactly what I mean...

 

[drivesitfar]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

SB: if I recall correctly you had a dock built for a flatbed to off load big stuff so could you maybe have unloaded the mill onto the dock and then used your better pallet jack to move it into the shop?

i agree the manufacturers usually crate up their machines pretty well almost so that they would survive being dropped, but then again some don't. maybe peeling off some of the cardboard to take a peek might give you some idea if it shows up again without a forklift added to the truck.

good luck

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Wow, I'm surprised but also not surprised. Makes one wonder if this is the drivers first delivery. I would think drivers know the weight of items and ensure items are loaded where they can unload with a pallet jack. Hopefully the toy returns tomorrow.

My opinion is its a common problem because it was probably loaded with a forklift.

If you get into the same situation with the liftgate being short, I would open/remove the cardboard enclosure and see what you are actually working with. As long as the main weight of the machine is fully on the plate it should be OK (if its good for that much weight!) Always good to lower the load off the pallet jack to directly contact the liftgate plate as the gate is lowered. There can be deflection significant enough, on the plate surface, due to the load, that it could possibly roll off the edge if elevated on the rollers....

There could be a wooden framework inside of there to prevent the ruthless dock forklift operators from damaging the machine....if you've ever been to a truck freight terminal in person and gone out on the dock you'll know exactly what I mean...

Gentlemen:

I am quite familiar with the concept of "Why plan ahead when you can react?"

That seems to be the way most of the world works.

All of the stated points and solutions are well taken, however...

Yesterday afternoon I spent quite a bit of time calling rental companies and expending mental energy and then realized I was trying to solve a problem that isn't really my problem.

I purchased this item new and requested a lift-gate delivery. I didn't hear a peep from anyone until the poor driver showed up with this situation in the back of his truck.

If I get too involved with solving the delivery problem I will own the results of a goofed-up delivery.

One of the reasons I bought a new machine vs. a used one was to avoid having to be overly concerned about a multitude of issues.

The delivery of the Mill is one of the multitude. Ha!

Once they safely get it off the truck and in or near the Lone Beech Garage, I'll sign for it and take charge. Up to that point, they've got it.

Zoro called around noon today and I was told there would be another delivery attempt tomorrow.


Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

SB: if I recall correctly you had a dock built for a flatbed to off load big stuff so could you maybe have unloaded the mill onto the dock and then used your better pallet jack to move it into the shop?

i agree the manufacturers usually crate up their machines pretty well almost so that they would survive being dropped, but then again some don't. maybe peeling off some of the cardboard to take a peek might give you some idea if it shows up again without a forklift added to the truck.

good luck

DrivesItFar,

I thought about using the loading dock and showed it to the driver yesterday but even he balked at trying to get that 48-foot trailer safely into the loading space.

My dock board has not yet been repaired but - even if it had - it's 5-feet wide and the pallet is 6-1/2 feet. I don't think a pallet jack could lift the pallet high enough to clear the steel channel on each side of the dock board.

Kind of like I wrote above, I'm probably going to let them figure it out.

That will allow me to sleep better tonight. Ha!

We'll see what happens tomorrow when the mill makes another visit to Peachtree City, GA.


Best regards,

Scott

 

[AZpilot]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

They are going to come in at 5am, back up at a good clip, then hit the brakes and dump the load. And drive off. Then forge your signature.

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

They are going to come in at 5am, back up at a good clip, then hit the brakes and dump the load. And drive off. Then forge your signature.

AZpilot,

Well that revelation will certainly disturb what I thought was going to be a good night's sleep.

Hmm... I just remembered - my security cameras should capture that on the hard drive. Not only would that protect me from your scenario (I think) but I could see that video generating enough hits on YouTube to generate some advertising revenue.

Ha!


Best regards,

Scott

 

[shortykorte]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

They are going to come in at 5am, back up at a good clip, then hit the brakes and dump the load. And drive off. Then forge your signature.

That's not right.....but I bet the driver wishes he could do that. Lol. Definitely would be a good video.

This Zoro delivery is just full of suspense.


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[AZpilot]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

I bought a LG mini split a couple of years ago. My own company delivered it. The way he dropped the pallet and tried to run off something was fishy. I would not sign until I removed the cardboard and sure enough, a pair of forks had hit the condenser. He was a little sheepish. I don't trust until I verify on any delivery. Mr. Nice guy becomes Mr Richard Head.

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

That's not right.....but I bet the driver wishes he could do that. Lol. Definitely would be a good video.

This Zoro delivery is just full of suspense.

shortekorte,

Ha! Probably not the 5 am part though...

Actually the driver seemed like a decent guy. He just needed the right tools and probably another body to move better than a ton of machinery.

Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

I bought a LG mini split a couple of years ago. My own company delivered it. The way he dropped the pallet and tried to run off something was fishy. I would not sign until I removed the cardboard and sure enough, a pair of forks had hit the condenser. He was a little sheepish. I don't trust until I verify on any delivery. Mr. Nice guy becomes Mr Richard Head.

AZpilot,

Thanks for that "sea story"!

I'll try to take a good look at this thing after it's on the deck.

Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Thursday - November 2, 2017


As mentioned in a previous post, another delivery attempt of the JET Vertical Mill is supposed to happen tomorrow. We shall see.






I decided to try to do a little cleanup on the lathe ways. I used some WD-40 and Scotchbrite pads to clean up a small area.

It is laborious but it does seem to be cleaning up. I squirted some WD-40 on the other side to sit for the night and will work a bit on the other side tomorrow morning.


Scott

 

[Bob Heine]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Yesterday afternoon I spent quite a bit of time calling rental companies and expending mental energy and then realized I was trying to solve a problem that isn't really my problem.

Best regards,

Scott

Scott, the problem ownership issue is a common failure point. Whenever I had a problem with a flight, I would say "I have no idea how to run an airline but I have faith someone here does. If you could find a way to get me to my destination, I would be most grateful." The only times that didn't work was when I was in line behind someone who showered the clerk with expert advise and insults. I live by the phrase "You have me confused with...."

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Scott, the problem ownership issue is a common failure point. Whenever I had a problem with a flight, I would say "I have no idea how to run an airline but I have faith someone here does. If you could find a way to get me to my destination, I would be most grateful." The only times that didn't work was when I was in line behind someone who showered the clerk with expert advise and insults. I live by the phrase "You have me confused with...."

Bob,

"...I have faith someone here does..."

There's the tricky part. finding that person. Ha!

This morning at 6:50 am I was awakened by a phone call from the trucking company (Estes Express) that attempted delivery of the JET Mill a couple of days ago. I'm not sure if it was her speech patterns, my old age or getting awakened from a sound sleep but she wasn't making a lot of sense. To be charitable, maybe she thought I had played some role in the planning of today's events.

Regardless, she did say something about a dock pickup scheduled for between 10 & noon today. That MIGHT be consistent with another party with the proper equipment coming to pick up the mill and they would then deliver the machine.

I suggested she call Zoro to sort things out. Unfortunately for her, their Customer Service folks don't answer the phone until 8 am central time.

EDIT: I stand corrected - Zoro mans their phones beginning at 6 am Central Time.

Best regards,

Scott

 

[Motoman1100]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Scott, I have to say that with all of those tractors you have you would think that there would be at least one with a front end loader and a set of forks on it. I'd say at the rate you are bringing home cool craigslist finds that it would be well used.

 

[drivesitfar]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

SB: well i'm turning blue here from crossing my fingers again about this mill delivery turning out ok.

i saw this ad on Craigslist yesterday and one of these days I'd like to own one and i would if I had a shop like yours. i've seen some of these old faithful machines go for about half this much so maybe it's on your list and one hasn't showed up yet.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/hvo/d/towmotor-fork-lift-1957-army/6360917092.html

hope all goes well and looking forward to seeing you teach us how to use this cool JET MILL.

cheers

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Scott, I have to say that with all of those tractors you have you would think that there would be at least on with a front end loader and a set of forks on it. I'd say at the rate you are bringing home cool craigslist finds that it would be well used.

Motoman1100,

Allis-Chalmers did not make a Front-End Loader for the Model G.

However, there was an aftermarket model produced. It is quite a rare item.





I think it was pretty slow and didn't have a lot of lifting power.

I may have something better.
My neighbor just took delivery of a small John Deere with a front-end loader!
He drove it over for me to look at this afternoon.


Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

SB: well i'm turning blue here from crossing my fingers again about this mill delivery turning out ok.

i saw this ad on Craigslist yesterday and one of these days I'd like to own one and i would if I had a shop like yours. i've seen some of these old faithful machines go for about half this much so maybe it's on your list and one hasn't showed up yet.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/hvo/d/towmotor-fork-lift-1957-army/6360917092.html

hope all goes well and looking forward to seeing you teach us how to use this cool JET MILL.

cheers

DrivesItFar,


That's pretty neat! I think some of the Towmotor Fork Lift's had the same basic engine (Continental N62) in them as my tractors.

As to teaching folks how to use the mill... I suspect the lesson would be something like, "Don't pull a stunt like Scott did with his mill..."

Ha!

Best regards,

Scott

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Friday - November 3, 2017


At about noon today the doorbell rang.






It was the driver of the truck delivering my Jet Knee Mill.






I am not ashamed to admit that I openly wept with joy when I saw the fork lift on the back of the trailer. I was so happy.






The cardboard covering was in pretty bad shape when this driver accepted the load. I took a peek under the cardboard and all looked well. The driver removed the cardboard and we got a better look at the mill.

While the driver removed all the straps and such from the pallet, I rolled the tractors out onto the concrete pad.

I had assumed that today's delivery truck would have a larger lift-gate or some other minor adjustment to the first attempt. I had just moved my tractors further into the LBG to give a lift-gate delivery a landing spot.

The forklift delivery was a game changer. By moving the tractors out onto the concrete, the forklift could place the Mill under the Yellow Beam. When the time comes this would allow the electric chain hoist to lift the Mill from the pallet and down onto whatever system I use to roll it to its new home.






The forklift reached onto the truck, lifted the mill and pulled it towards itself. Then the driver made his way carefully towards the LBG.


Continued in next post...

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Continued...





The Mill was carefully brought into the building and sat down directly under the Yellow Beam.






The driver departed.


Continued in next post...

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Continued...






A series of pictures as I walked around the mill.


Continued in next post...

 

[sbosecker]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Continued...









These pictures may be perceived as odd but if someone is wondering how JET mounts a Knee Mill to a pallet, the above may be useful information.

A great day!


Scott

 

[drivesitfar]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

SB: can i say YIPPEE YET??

YIPPEE!!!

very cool that they sent out the right truck for the mill delivery and a pleasant surprise for sure after the other day's fiasco.

so i guess you are saying we'll learn how to use the mill together, but i'll get to use your mistakes?

not that you maybe care, but we have about an inch of snow on the ground here now and snowing pretty hard which was a surprise to me when we woke up this morning. i need to help move my daughter from her 2nd floor condo tomorrow to her new home and hopefully the snow will be gone by then. we'll see i guess.

cheers and hope your weekend is much better now that the mill is safely inside your cool garage.

 

[shortykorte]

The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Congrats.
I was thinking they need one of those sod trucks with piggyback forklift and there you go. I've seen sod and CMU block with the piggy back but don't recall seeing a general delivery.
Looks like that tool will mill some serious wood once the table is put on top. lol


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[250]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

I am quite familiar with the concept of "Why plan ahead when you can react?"

I would hope that in your profession there isn't too much of this. While some reacting is always necessary, I know for myself a little planning can really go along way in the right situation.

You're on a nice little machinery run right now.

Could he back that trailer up to your loading dock and just set his gate on it and roll it off? Then no up/down issue.

 

[AZpilot]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

YES! The mill has landed!

 

[250]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Appears I was a page off in my previous comment. Good to see it safe and sound inside.

 

[camarosrus69]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Congratulations on a successful delivery. Let me be the first to ask, why is the Jet name upside down on the front of the mill? Are they all that way? I guess it is a good conversation starter.

 

[gilr]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

Congratulations on a successful delivery. Let me be the first to ask, why is the Jet name upside down on the front of the mill? Are they all that way? I guess it is a good conversation starter.

The head hasn't been rotated yet, the mill is shipped upside down to make the total height lower.

 

[bandlaw]

Re: The Lone Beech Garage Build Thread (60x46)

The head hasn't been rotated yet, the mill is shipped upside down to make the total height lower.

I was wondering the same thing!


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