The VISES of Garage Journal

[KMScott]

Bought this 8" Yost. Picking it up 12/6. more pics when I get it.

Cant let O2Superduty get all the accolades.

Send it to me and I'll fix it. Of course ya ain't getting it back.

 

[joe.striper]

Send it to me and I'll fix it. Of course ya ain't getting it back.

Of all the losers on here, you're the only loser I'd actually give it to!!

 

[AngryBeaver]

Google hasn't come up wth much on this one. Looks like one I ether one posted in here way back in 2011.

Spent the better part of 2 hours googling this one with no results. Found a "10,11,12" on garage journal.

This is marked 1,2,3 (1 on the static, 2 on the dynamic and 3 on the anvil/base.

Superior Tool Co.
Saginaw Michigan

4" wide jaws

Opens 4 to 4.5"

Rotates 360 degrees with lock screw

41 pounds. Spring loaded lead screw.

Kevin, might want to update the database on this one

 

[meatsis]

Google hasn't come up wth much on this one. Looks like one I ether one posted in here way back in 2011.

Spent the better part of 2 hours googling this one with no results. Found a "10,11,12" on garage journal.

This is marked 1,2,3 (1 on the static, 2 on the dynamic and 3 on the anvil/base.

Superior Tool Co.
Saginaw Michigan

4" wide jaws

Opens 4 to 4.5"

Rotates 360 degrees with lock screw

41 pounds. Spring loaded lead screw.

Kevin, might want to update the database on this one

Here’s mine. I’m actually surprised to see your vise has the same bolt/handle for the swivel that mine originally came with. I thought it was a homemade replacement. I wound up replacing mine with the swivel bolt from a Cole vise.






Not sure why the pictures are so small.

 

[drivesitfar]

AB: that vise of yours has a lot of similarities to a COLE vise and maybe yours is the one Cole copied.

Joe: nice to see you are still alive which i wasn't sure since somebody posted an estate sale with pictures of your vises. or were you just THINNING THE HERD and getting ready to pick up some monsters like that big old Yost?

ALL: speaking of lead base or Asbestos paint are all of you wearing masks when stripping off your vises even with a wire wheel?

 

[AngryBeaver]

Here’s mine. I’m actually surprised to see your vise has the same bolt/handle for the swivel that mine originally came with. I thought it was a homemade replacement. I wound up replacing mine with the swivel bolt from a Cole vise.






Not sure why the pictures are so small.

Long 5/16 carriage bolt and some tape isn't a handle.. lol

I figured the welded rod on the square jam bolt wasn't correct

 

[chrisnazzy]

Bought this 8" Yost. Picking it up 12/6. more pics when I get it.

Cant let O2Superduty get all the accolades.[emoji38]_hitti

I've seen the ad for that one too. I thought it was in the classifieds here. How far do you have to go to get it Rob?

Looks like a Prentiss Bull Dog on the ground. If the slide isn't cracked maybe he's selling it too!

Chris

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[G-ManBart]

Does anyone care to estimate what a VERY nice original faded paint Paramo No.6 would be worth ?

It's got faded original blue paint in areas, and has that Japan ing look that DIF often refers to....kinda smooth and natural semi gloss black from years of wipedowns. Original jaws are awesome....fitment,alignments, smooth tight. Only glitch is the original handle has a extremely minor bend on one end, maybe 3/16" off center. It's an original swivel base model, and the internal support ring has a hairline fracture along one threaded hole. A few members said it shouldn't affect operation.
No repairs,damage,flaws.....super super clean, and obviously, HEAVY.

Just a ballpark minimal. I know anything is worth what the person who desires it the most is willing to pay, but what is too low ?

TIA,
Shawn

I picked up a very nice Paramo No. 6 for $100 not long ago. The nice thing is that jaws from a Wilton 1760 fit it perfectly, so you can order a primo set from Kevin and have one heck of a workhorse.

 

[meatsis]

Long 5/16 carriage bolt and some tape isn't a handle.. lol

I figured the welded rod on the square jam bolt wasn't correct

This is the bolt/handle I was referring to. I figured my original was lost at some point, and someone made this as a replacement. But now that I see yours has the same bolt, I now know it’s original. I swapped mine with a bolt from a cole vise.

 

[KMScott]

Google hasn't come up wth much on this one. Looks like one I ether one posted in here way back in 2011.

Spent the better part of 2 hours googling this one with no results. Found a "10,11,12" on garage journal.

This is marked 1,2,3 (1 on the static, 2 on the dynamic and 3 on the anvil/base.

Superior Tool Co.
Saginaw Michigan

4" wide jaws

Opens 4 to 4.5"

Rotates 360 degrees with lock screw

41 pounds. Spring loaded lead screw.

Kevin, might want to update the database on this one

VA has one already recorded. His is pretty clean looking and has the same swivel lock like meatsis's and yours. Back in the day the square head bolts were readily available and welding a 1/4 bar on them was a quick way of making a lock down.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6406202&postcount=53646

 

[G-ManBart]

I've been trying to get a better pic of the 8" post vise I posted about earlier....here it is next to 200# Fisher and 305# Peter Wright anvils. It's lying on a full size moving dolly.

This gives is more perspective how huge these big 8" vises are.

 

[AngryBeaver]

VA has one already recorded. His is pretty clean looking and has the same swivel lock like meatsis's and yours. Back in the day the square head bolts were readily available and welding a 1/4 bar on them was a quick way of making a lock down.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6406202&postcount=53646

The only thing on the spreadsheet was 4" jaw. No weight or opening dimensions. And the model is listed as a "3" on the spreadsheet

 

[ALLFAST]

Thanks for the scoop Bart. I had heard about Wilton jaws fitting but forgot the appropriate model .

Nice leg vise.

Joe Striper : a radical score on that 8 incher !

Shawn

 

[va.grouseman]

Angry B, here's my Superior.


And there's one posted on page 467, post 9337.

 

[Outlawmws]

Google hasn't come up wth much on this one. Looks like one I ether one posted in here way back in 2011.

Spent the better part of 2 hours googling this one with no results. Found a "10,11,12" on garage journal.

This is marked 1,2,3 (1 on the static, 2 on the dynamic and 3 on the anvil/base.

Superior Tool Co.
Saginaw Michigan

4" wide jaws

Opens 4 to 4.5"

Rotates 360 degrees with lock screw

41 pounds. Spring loaded lead screw.

Kevin, might want to update the database on this one

Anyone beside me think that looks like the love child between a Wilton and a Chicom?

 

[va.grouseman]

A Cole and a Wilton.

 

[CRSINMICH]

AngryBeaver & meatsis: I just bought these JH Willams Co. Vulcan No.1 Heavy Service C-clamps at an estate sale. I assumed that the handles were user modifications but after your posts I'm not so sure.

 

[RagTopTA]

AngryBeaver & meatsis: I just bought these JH Willams Co. Vulcan No.1 Heavy Service C-clamps at an estate sale. I assumed that the handles were user modifications but after your posts I'm not so sure.

I found these two 3" clamps at an Estate sale a while back the same way and wondered. Ones Williams the other Armstrong.

 

[CRSINMICH]

RagTop: We've either stumbled on a previously unsuspected tool manufacturing technique or a cottage industry. Curious!

 

[gman007]

RagTop: We've either stumbled on a previously unsuspected tool manufacturing technique or a cottage industry. Curious!

Given all the other high quality casting and machining done even in early 1900s, it seems a bit odd to have some tools/parts being manufactured rather crudely on a large scale by serious manufacturers. I suppose it could have been a price point vs quality factor at play but these items look really like home made/cottage industry quality.

 

[akasrick]

Given all the other high quality casting and machining done even in early 1900s, it seems a bit odd to have some tools/parts being manufactured rather crudely on a large scale by serious manufacturers. I suppose it could have been a price point vs quality factor at play but these items look really like home made/cottage industry quality.

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J.H. Williams & Co.
Drop-Forged in USA
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Williams No. 403
*********** Clamp
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Sturdy clamp, screw was somehow managed to be bent.
akasrick

 

[Shiftless]

Here is a pic of an early JH Williams 400 series clamp featuring the wing nut.
(google images)

 

[gman007]

Here is a pic of an early JH Williams 400 series clamp featuring the wing nut.
(google images)

At least as far as clamps are concerned, I can propose a plausible explanation based on personal experience! Due to limited span of wing nuts it is not as efficient in being tightened as having a long swivel arm.

Funny enough I am personally guilty of disfiguring an old clamp with wing nut by cutting off the wings and improvising a swivel arm (see photo, sorry for the poor quality of photo as I cropped these from full size photos of my peg board). So may be these folks had the same idea.

 

[Bcom]

This poor guy stopped at my house today and wanted a new set of jaws for his 9500 Wilton he just bought for $20 at an auction. Look at the beating this thing has taken to wear away both jaw sides in where it makes a huge dip into the iron and jaws. This vise would have had to have been beaten on for decades for this to happen. Even the jaw supports under each jaw were worn away and not really supporting anything. I told him the vise was scrap and sold him an old 4.5" Tradesman with newer 5" oversize jaws for $70 to ease his pain. He could use the Tradesman as is or take the oversize 5" jaws off the Tradesman and weld/fit them to his 9500 if he wanted.





This is what I sold him. Would be perfect for him. He needs to mount it on a utility bed of his truck. Its sealed,got good jaws, usa made, and not nice enough to worry about theft.

 

[RagTopTA]

RagTop: We've either stumbled on a previously unsuspected tool manufacturing technique or a cottage industry. Curious!

Im wondering also now!

Given all the other high quality casting and machining done even in early 1900s, it seems a bit odd to have some tools/parts being manufactured rather crudely on a large scale by serious manufacturers. I suppose it could have been a price point vs quality factor at play but these items look really like home made/cottage industry quality.

I wonder if maybe the manufacturer included an added T piece if the comsumer wanted to braise it on he could.

 

[RagTopTA]

Pics of the BONNEY clamp on vise I got sunday at the big flea. 1 3/4" jaws. Its got some rust rot n the handle and side. But after clean up it works fine. Im wondering is it the Bonney tool company r the Bnney forge co. that made this. It doesnt have the sheild with B anywhere, and it also has LEHIGH VISE n one side, and BONNEY on the other.

 

[CRSINMICH]

RagTop: Here's an excerpt from a 1925 catalog showing Bonney Lehigh vises.

 

[RagTopTA]

RagTop: Here's an excerpt from a 1925 catalog showing Bonney Lehigh vises.

awesome! thanks so much! I was wondering how old it was. Wish I could find something like that on my Indestro bench vise!

 

[Shiftless]

Bcom:
I don't remember EVER seeing a vise that worn down. What in the blankety blank did the P.O. do to that poor old bullet? Point blank with a sand blasting nozzle?

 

[Outlawmws]

Ragtop that's a cool clamp on! reminds me of the Stanley Sweetheart clamp-ons...

 

[Outlawmws]

Bcom:
I don't remember EVER seeing a vise that worn down. What in the blankety blank did the P.O. do to that poor old bullet? Point blank with a sand blasting nozzle?

Yeah for thirty YEARS!

I wonder if it was a sand blasting fixture?

 

[Bcom]

Shiftless, Outlaw----- the guy said he got it at an auction. The vise looks like it had decades of being beat on in that area. It was strangely worn down. Even the underside jaw support ledge was worn down. The spindle and handle were in great shape. Maybe sandblasting could be the culprit. I'm not really sure. I don't know why the guy bought it thinking he could just put new jaws on it. Either way, he left with a good working vise with good jaws. He could use the vise I sold him as is or take the jaws off it and somehow weld them up on the 9500. Very very strange how it was worn down. I can't really explain it.

 

[wrenchr]

Shiftless, Outlaw----- the guy said he got it at an auction. The vise looks like it had decades of being beat on in that area. It was strangely worn down. Even the underside jaw support ledge was worn down. The spindle and handle were in great shape. Maybe sandblasting could be the culprit. I'm not really sure. I don't know why the guy bought it thinking he could just put new jaws on it. Either way, he left with a good working vise with good jaws. He could use the vise I sold him as is or take the jaws off it and somehow weld them up on the 9500. Very very strange how it was worn down. I can't really explain it.

What strikes me as odd is how the jaws and cast metal portion are wore down the same, I think it was a more mechanical way of wear.

 

[RagTopTA]

Ragtop that's a cool clamp on! reminds me of the Stanley Sweetheart clamp-ons...

Thanks Outlaw! I put it next to my sweetheart and they are very similar! its made by the same Bonney that makes the wrenches and such isn't it?

 

[BeardedOne]

So I think, after doing some light reading through the first 250 pages, that my little green vise is a Dunlap.

There's one around 220-240 IIRC.

Taking a little trip through Dallas and Austin in the coming days, so after my wife and I return, I'll get a little work done on cleaning up my larger black one that I still haven't found in this thread yet

 

[Outlawmws]

Only 2,750 to go!

 

[LesserSon]

Thanks Outlaw! I put it next to my sweetheart and they are very similar! its made by the same Bonney that makes the wrenches and such isn't it?

Simple answer: yes. “Lehigh” as a line of Bonney vises suggests to me that they were made after the company moved from Philadelphia to Allentown (along the Lehigh River).
CSBonney patented and manufactured a number of things from the 1870s on. In the 1890s, I think the story gets complicated with ownership, management, & manufacturing. CSBonney seems to have continued working on improvements for some time after selling(?) his company. Differing combinations of “Bonney” show up in advertising and announcements in trade journals, and it seems to me these may be related, but seperate, entities. By mid-century, this is sorted out into one company, but then it gets complicated again through expansion of facilities, relocation of headquarters, and corporate purchases. I keep reading on GJ that Bonney is gone, but it isn’t. The name lives on and forging is still the business, though the manufacture of tools is no longer the focus.

 

[RagTopTA]

So I think, after doing some light reading through the first 250 pages, that my little green vise is a Dunlap.

There's one around 220-240 IIRC.

Taking a little trip through Dallas and Austin in the coming days, so after my wife and I return, I'll get a little work done on cleaning up my larger black one that I still haven't found in this thread yet

If you are there on a sat or sun stop in Grand Prarie at Traders Village. That's where I always go and make a good score.

 

[RagTopTA]

Simple answer: yes. “Lehigh” as a line of Bonney vises suggests to me that they were made after the company moved from Philadelphia to Allentown (along the Lehigh River).
CSBonney patented and manufactured a number of things from the 1870s on. In the 1890s, I think the story gets complicated with ownership, management, & manufacturing. CSBonney seems to have continued working on improvements for some time after selling(?) his company. Differing combinations of “Bonney” show up in advertising and announcements in trade journals, and it seems to me these may be related, but seperate, entities. By mid-century, this is sorted out into one company, but then it gets complicated again through expansion of facilities, relocation of headquarters, and corporate purchases. I keep reading on GJ that Bonney is gone, but it isn’t. The name lives on and forging is still the business, though the manufacture of tools is no longer the focus.

Thanks for the Info, I wasnt sure, but thought there were 2 different Bonneys. Still very excited I found the vise, 4" adjustable, and a 3/8 ratchet with in about 20 feet of each other in different vendors piles. I also scored a pristine BONNEY 1/2 ratchet via Fleabay in the mail today!

 

[NC Rick]

^ Normally I don't comment on the vise page, but i noticed tractor tires, a steel bench and a big Wilton vise that i could actually use at times but are hard to find up here. Nice restore job

Yea, and when you bolt ‘em down the vice needn’t be as big