closetoreality
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And it hurt. Need some moral support haha.
Brand new 6 bills.
Brand new 6 bills.
Just bought an FJ300 jack.
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Strouty
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After all the mess, I would have just paid the $180 for the HF version and I don't usually shop there.
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Second vote to take it apart. I think you would be famous on this site if you did.
I bet we could take a collection to settle the epic thread and help with moral support.
I bet we could take a collection to settle the epic thread and help with moral support.
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Oh boy.
bczygan
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https://www1.snapon.com/display/231/Product-Safety-Archive/FJ200andFJ300Advisory.pdf
$86:
https://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-steel-heavy-duty-floor-jack-with-rapid-pump-68048.html
Or $96:
https://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-Low-Profile-Steel-Heavy-Duty-Floor-Jack-with-Rapid-Pump-61282.html
Or better yet $200:
https://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-daytona-professional-steel-floor-jack-super-duty-63183.html
Bill
$86:
https://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-steel-heavy-duty-floor-jack-with-rapid-pump-68048.html
Or $96:
https://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-Low-Profile-Steel-Heavy-Duty-Floor-Jack-with-Rapid-Pump-61282.html
Or better yet $200:
https://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-daytona-professional-steel-floor-jack-super-duty-63183.html
Bill
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What do you guys want to know? And would I even be able to differentiate the seals on it from say a daytona or HF?
Strouty
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I guess I would want to know how it feels to spend 6 Bills on a $180 jack???
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Feels good man. I wouldn’t expect anything less out of a Maine’rs mouth.
You know what’s funny is for the hell of it I searched these forums to find some feedback from others with this jack and hey what do you know...Strouty himself asked about a SO jack a few years ago and even bought it with a smile on his face to lift the front of his F350. Loud mouths like you are a dime a dozen and I work with a few guys from Maine and their all jack wagons like you.
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Trey T
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That's a very infamous floor jack. It made Snap-On so furious that they threw a lawsuit at HF. There hasn't been proof that the components of the FJ300 is the same design/quality as the Daytona, right? However, after Snap-On threw the lawsuit at HF, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out the quality of the FJ300, w/ or w/o confirming the "seal".
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I must be ignorant to all that mess? What’s the story of you don’t mind typing.
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Thanks I’ll check it out. I’m sure it’s a good read.
Trey T
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There's a mile long thread about it started in August 2016. Started as an innocent discussion, very typical discussion b/t SO vs X-brand tool, until one guy made a hypothesis that the FJ300 came out the same factory as the Daytona jack, using a low-budget hydraulic design utilizing a specific "seal". To prove the hypothesis, the hydraulic component was to be dissected from the SO jack but the guy never (I think) prove the hypothesis and left people hanging for a very long time.
A month later in 2016, SO's legal team threw a lawsuit at HF (read news here) based on the Garage Journal's thread. At that point, I believe many people and myself realized that there's something fishy going on and that thread eventually died. It died, I believe because of two reasons: 1. S-O's lawsuit talks about the resemblance by look (based on their 2015 patent) and not the quality of the design; and 2. the Daytona were sold for as low as $100shipped. A year later, the two companies settled out of court.
If you read between the lines, you'll realized that the FJ300 is a very similar jack to the Daytona.
A month later in 2016, SO's legal team threw a lawsuit at HF (read news here) based on the Garage Journal's thread. At that point, I believe many people and myself realized that there's something fishy going on and that thread eventually died. It died, I believe because of two reasons: 1. S-O's lawsuit talks about the resemblance by look (based on their 2015 patent) and not the quality of the design; and 2. the Daytona were sold for as low as $100shipped. A year later, the two companies settled out of court.
If you read between the lines, you'll realized that the FJ300 is a very similar jack to the Daytona.
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DTuck
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x2. OP sure has the attitude of a rifleman.
RivennHewn
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In my simple mind, there are only two reasons why a company like SnapOn would sue a company like HF.
1) They are really starting to look like real competition. (What does that say if it's true?)
2) SO was about to get caught with their pants around their ankles so to speak with a questionable product.
Either way, I'm happy with my bright yellow hf jack at the price point.
1) They are really starting to look like real competition. (What does that say if it's true?)
2) SO was about to get caught with their pants around their ankles so to speak with a questionable product.
Either way, I'm happy with my bright yellow hf jack at the price point.
I'm Assuming "The Guy" reference is Me, since I'm the one that took my personal money and time to tear down the Jack to document a New product for the membership. I have no intention of "proving" anything to anyone, People can buy any product they wish for whatever reasons are important to them. I have yet to encounter any Of the Snap on jacks, thus I haven't had a chance to document the Main ram seal variant for the membership. My offer still stands, if someone who owns the Jack would like some help in disassembling for the sake of discussion, I'm willing to offer up my time. If you or Anyone else is waiting for me to invest $600 bucks just so one side or the other can claim victory... Your guys arms are gonna get tired.
tonyciambrone
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The Daytona Jack
1: Is not red
2: Does not have a Snap-On logo on it
3: Not eligible for 18-24% financing
$600 well spent
1: Is not red
2: Does not have a Snap-On logo on it
3: Not eligible for 18-24% financing
$600 well spent
Strouty
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I can tell you one thing, if Snap On doesn't learn from that entire debacle, they never will. HF actually stated that the jacks were made in the same factory. There was a settlement and HF had to pay no money, they also did not have to stop the advertising. I think the dots can be connected. Just so you guys know, I was the proud recipient of the FJ200 before HF made the daytona. I will be buying a daytona next, not an FJ300 and my driver knows it. Today I bought 1/2" snap on semi deep impacts, so I am far from a Snap On hater.
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Buy it and compare to your fj200. It’s been posted countless times they are NOT the same. Even hiball brought one took it apart and told everyone. They don’t even look that alike to me either.
My driver passed away. If he didn’t I would have brought one
Whoa!!!
Just so we are clear, I did take it apart, I did verify that the Daytona only uses Ucups on the pump Pistons and Oring/Shell on the Main ram. The Snap on does advertise Ucups all around, and it's possible that the FJ models do have that option, but I won't and haven't made that claim. Its not uncommon for today's import jacks to share core designs, especially in regards to the hydraulic Units, With that said... That doesn't mean they are all the same, nor built in the same factory.. It's extremely plausible that Rod finishes, types of seals can vary from supplier to supplier, Neither HF or SO are producing there jacks, so they are built to each other's specs. I wouldn't go as far as saying they don't look a like, I'm certain they are the same hydraulic unit, the Valve plugs or lack there off indicate cartridge valve systems in both the HF and SO, I suspect the Mickey Mouse magnet filtration system is the same, the only real variables that I can't and won't comment on till I've put hands/eyes on would be the Forementioned Main ram seal along with Rod finish and frame build quality between the two.
DTuck
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One would think if they weren't the same, snap on would've plastered every truck with a demonstration on how they are superior or even how they are different. Not saying they are in fact the same, just commenting on Snap On's sales approach in the past.
Strouty
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My driver thought they were made in the USA, I had to show him they were "Assembled" here, but even then, what is that, slap the stickers on and test them? You don't see too many lawsuits where a huge company goes after a "knock off" specialist like HF and loses, at least not if there is any merit to it. I would have loved to been a fly on a wall in that room. Snap On's lawyers are going crazy and then HF shows the judge a picture of their jack on the same assembly line, the same way snap on makes williams tools. That would have been classic.
Honestly, I am not overly impressed with the FJ200, it is supposed to be underrated capacity wise, but it definitely feels about as good as my old 2 ton napa jack when trying to pick up my suburban to do an oil change. I think I will go pick up my daytona soon, then at least I can compare them based on what price I paid. The only reason I purchased the FJ200 was because I was tired of replacing jacks every other year. I figured Snap On would at least offer parts for them, so if it dies I can easily rebuild it, rather than having to try and find some part that was machined to a spec no one uses.
Honestly, I am not overly impressed with the FJ200, it is supposed to be underrated capacity wise, but it definitely feels about as good as my old 2 ton napa jack when trying to pick up my suburban to do an oil change. I think I will go pick up my daytona soon, then at least I can compare them based on what price I paid. The only reason I purchased the FJ200 was because I was tired of replacing jacks every other year. I figured Snap On would at least offer parts for them, so if it dies I can easily rebuild it, rather than having to try and find some part that was machined to a spec no one uses.
pepi
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That's a pretty weak jack for 6 bills, the Milwaukee or Hein-Werner jacks are 3 times that jack.
Milwaukee was just more than I needed, took second choice ....
Hein-Werner HW93652 Blue Heavy Duty Service Jack - 3 Ton Capacity
These are the only two 2 or 3 ton jacks made, excluding the long jacks that did not have a hockey puck for a saddle.
What flavor was the Kool-Aid .....? oh yea .... cherry..
$nap On
Greg
Milwaukee was just more than I needed, took second choice ....
Hein-Werner HW93652 Blue Heavy Duty Service Jack - 3 Ton Capacity
These are the only two 2 or 3 ton jacks made, excluding the long jacks that did not have a hockey puck for a saddle.
What flavor was the Kool-Aid .....? oh yea .... cherry..
$nap On
Greg
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MWEric
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I bought the FJ200 when it first came out. Worst thing I’ve purchased off the truck. U joint for handle to pump connection broke. Got a new jack. Doesn’t work below 10 degrees. Ok when it’s warm though.
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On page 3 of like 51 and I’m hooked haha. I have tomorrow off and plenty of beer in the fridge so I might be here at midnight still haha.
My dealer had one of those jacks on the truck right after they came out. Of course my dealer made it sound like it was the greatest jack ever produced, and made it sound like they were hard to get. "Its the only one I could get". I was VERY tempted to buy it. At first I kicked myself because I didn't, but now I look back and and think "man, I'm so glad I didn't buy that thing". Lol.
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So I’m on the 11th page in that original thread and I’m seeing detailed photos of the SO having significantly thicker gauge steel for the lifting arm. Actually the SO frame is thicker almost everywhere.
Not denying I drank the kool aid just saying I wouldn’t be so quick to throw SO under the bus on this one.
Not denying I drank the kool aid just saying I wouldn’t be so quick to throw SO under the bus on this one.
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oilslick
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I have been a strong supporter of the Daytona. I am now questioning my thought process. I am ok buying a Chinese jack from hf instead of Chinese snapon. It lifts cars and has some safety importance. I think nothing of spending 300 on a snap on cordless impact made in China and would never consider buying hf cordless anything. I'll have to think about it some more?
General Geoff
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I was in the first wave of Daytona jack buyers, and it's still working perfectly over a year later after spending much of that year rattling around in the back of my pickup when not in active use.
Everything from a Miata up to a 1 ton diesel, it's lifted everything I've rolled it under. The zerks keep everything greased and smooth.
Everything from a Miata up to a 1 ton diesel, it's lifted everything I've rolled it under. The zerks keep everything greased and smooth.
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So after reading the 58 pages in the main thread I’m not opposed to tearing down my FJ300 to finally put this to rest as long as hiball guides me through the disassembly just to reassure me I’m not going to F anything up.
RivennHewn
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What ever color you prefer, I love having one jack that will fit under a lowered MR2, and Still raise my 1 ton dually high enough.
For anyone reading this thread in the future, if your looking to spend snap on money on a jack get a AC Hydraulic A/S jack.
I've had mine for a few years now, and as far as i'm concerned, there is no better jack out there. The precision in the release is extremely precise.
I've had mine for a few years now, and as far as i'm concerned, there is no better jack out there. The precision in the release is extremely precise.
Trey T
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geez ... I wouldn't even do it just to satisfy the marginal group of ppl. I just don't think it's a good idea to stir the wound any further. We should all move on and try to embrace "Made in USA" as much as possible.
JohnDeere1
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I bought the Blue point YA1707a like new for $180 it's 3.5 ton and been a great jack I chose it over the Daytona it's also made in Asia it was the forerunner to the snap on fj300 there was a used fj300 like new ideas used once for sale for $350 in my area I passed on it as well I just picked by color I like blue all are Asian made and equal I every way as of build quality also snap on is good for offering parts so choice was easy.
You really need some punctuation sir. I have to read your posts a few times to decipher them
