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Thanks for the advice everyone! I had to make a decision today, so I chose NOT to use the company to prewire.

Instead, my solution is to install three 1" PVC conduits which will run from the basement to the attic. This way, when I'm ready, I can just fish the CAT through the conduit and up into the attic, and then run it to where I want. The soffits will be a slight pain, but I think I can get around that by using fish tape from the outside-in and just grab the wire in the attic and pull it through. Also, the electricians are going to run the coax for me.

As for network to the boxes, I'll just use the same box that the coax uses, IF I ever need to. Since the basement is unfinished, and a hole is already drilled in the stud and through the subfloor, that shouldn't be difficult either.

I think it's the second-best option, other than having it done now. It saves me money, I can do it later at my leisure, and don't have to worry about the builder (he was really adamant about me not doing it).

As pointed out with the cameras, IP POE is the way to go. Wireless just isn't there...most are "up to 1080p" but the quality fails in comparison to a 4+MP Vivotek camera. Then there's the same issue of getting power to it. It just doesn't make sense IMO.

If anyone is interested, the network is doing to be Ubiquiti UniFi which will all be housed in a media enclosure in the basement. This way, the only thing that will be seen will be the two access points which will be ceiling mounted, which will provide full coverage to the home (and garage).

This forum is great! I'll probably do a large write-up when it's all completed.
 
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Doing network, phone, or coax cables is not rocket science but you do need some equipment and a little knowledge. Try not to run the cables parallel to high voltage cables, and cross them at a 90 degree angle.

:+1: This is a must.

I cant count the times I have had to move cables due to either 60hz hmm heard on CAT5e/6 used for analog phone line or poor network performance.

For Cat-[56] buy good connectors and a plate to hold the connector while you make the connections. You will need a sheath cutter, to cut through the outer wall of the cables. Strip the outer layer, cut off the nylon pull stress relief, and crimp them using either 568-A or 568-B color coding. I'd use A, because it is likely going to win the battle, but it really doesn't matter as long as all jacks use the same color coding.

568-B is actually the standard but A will work as well- just make sure to do the same one both ends.

Keep the pair twisted as much as is possible (to maintain performance) and then finish the connector. They are insulation displacement connectors so no need to strip the individual conductors....

:+1: :thumbup: This is important as well...

Coax, type depends on use, RG-58 or RG-6, most these days is RG-6. Same routing as network cables. Use the squeeze-crimp type of connector, where an inner ring is forced into an outer sleeve to pressure crimp the cable. You'll need a two blade stripper (one for inner core, one for outer sheath). Really, really easy with the right tools.....

Its called compression crimping. One popular brand is snap and seal made by thomas and betts...

We wired our house a number of years ago.

Waste of time and money, as most devices we use are wireless now.

Wireless works fine when youre out in the woods with neighbors not close to you.

In apartments and condos, its a different story. 2.4ghz wireless spectrum is saturated because there are only 3 non-overlapping channels and as people catch on to 5Ghz and switch over to it, it will get crowded as well.

Nothing beats a hardwired connection. Wireless cameras ****- either due to poor signal or battery power source.

and please keep these network runs away from the home's electrical system... don't use the same stud electrical wiring holes for these CAT wires,

yes this is important and many including electricians forget this.

:+1: :thumbup:

For those who don't understand, you want a hardwire connection if possible, as it's best. I plan on using smart TV's, that use internet to stream. Yes, wireless works great, but it's more reliable and better to use a hardwired connection.

:+1: yes nothing beats hardwiring no matter how good the wireless is.

For the soffits, the CAT will be used to run cameras, you could do it with coaxial, but since I'm running cable anyway, might as well go IP. Everything will be dumped into the basement so it finishes with a nice, neat and virtually invisible install. Also, the network I'm setting up is going to use Wireless Access Points, which require a CAT cable be ran to them. These sit on the ceiling, and will terminate in a media enclosure in the basement.

analog coax camera systems are being phased out for IP network camera systems.... better to go with IP cameras...

It's a system, that's far easier to design and do now, then try to do later. It's also future-proofing the house, because even if I need to run different cables later, I can use the existing cables to tie-off to and fish them through the finished walls; attach the new cable, and reverse the process.

pull string can be used for that as well.... :thumbup:

Cap, the problem with mesh networks (for me) is that I don't want AC-type plug in's around the house, and I don't want nodes sitting on shelfs, on desks, etc. Call me crazy, but I don't like the look of "stuff" being plugged into outlets unless it's hidden. This MAY be possible, but I like the idea of hardwiring AP's instead.

Yes if aesthetics is a problem, then mesh may not be for you.

But if your house isnt large, you could get by with a couple of high powered aps on each floor.

Many security cameras are wired so that you can use PoE to power them. Often wireless cameras are flaky at distance or because of interference. Wireless will mean batteries or other power source. Not everything is wireless power yet. Tesla lost that war years again.

:+1:

You know what they say about free advice... I totally understand what you're getting at.. Those ceiling mount APs could likely be converted to PoE mesh nodes in the future. The thing I don't like about multiple APs is having to manage multiple SSIDs, or risk your device lingering on a low power access point longer than it should.

In a house do you really need more than 2 SSID's- 1 each 2.4ghz and 5Ghz? Ok and maybe a guest network SSID if you dont want your guests snooping on your network? :lol:

And if managing them is a headache for you why not go with an enterprise system such as UBNT unifi which has a controller that can manage them all.

I think I've done enough low voltage work over the years that I just HATE it! I've sold off all my qualification tools, and most of my termination stuff over the last few years and glad to be done with it.

Why do you hate it? Ive been doing it on and off for 16 years and love it.

If you have any tools left Id be interested in buying them. My contracting business is always looking for new tools.

+1 on that.

Even desktop computers come with built-in WiFi now. Broadband speeds are getting faster and faster.

The issue with wireless is interference and spectrum saturation as well as coverage and attenuation by building materials. And just because a computer comes with Wi-Fi, it doesnt mean the radio is good. Many wireless cards have weak internal antennas that barely pickup signal from an AP in the next room. Electronics all mingled together near the back of a computer where the WiFi card is can attentuate signals and cause interference as well.

Nothing beats hardwiring.

And WAN speeds have nothing to do with using WLAN vs. hardwired lan. Those are 2 separate subjects.

People can now get 2GBPS symmetrical WAN speeds via fiber to the premise(Comcast and google being 2 ISPs in my greater area that provide this) and there are very very few wireless APs that could deliver that same speed to the host. Much less there is even fewer wireless cards in a host that are capable of those data speeds. And they are all aftermarket. The factory WiFi card will not do those speeds. At least with CAT6 you can get gigabit WAN speeds to the host.

Obsolescence is also an issue, hardly anything comes with an ethernet port anymore. USB and HDMI, etc. will soon be phased out in favor of 1 interface that will provide all functions; incl storage, power, and connectivity.

Quite the contrary. Almost everything i install has ethernet. The Amazon streaming devices do not but Amazon has a separate add on device that has an ethernet port. Im assuming they realize that people have wireless issues.

And i doubt USB and HDMI will be phased out. USB is on its 3rd revision/generation that now includes separate power connector on the same port.

Same with HDMI- its on its 3rd or 4th revision with ethernet and other options available.

USB and HDMI and thunderbolt(Apple) actually caused firewire to be phased out. Thunderbolt 3 uses USB-C.

Id say its safe to say that USB and HDMI are here to stay for a long while.

Yes, but most equipment these days can auto-switch between straight and crossover so the type is more and more irrelevant. And when that's the case the standards committees will pick one to minimize ambiguity. Either way, pick one and use it throughout the job.

Yes MOST equipment can do auto midi-x. But not all.

And 568-b is the standard...

I ran all my own cat5 and coax to every room in my house and a small detched cottage. Ran the coax and cat5 in the same conduit as the 240v power to my well with no issues after 7 yrs.

As said above, thats a huge code violation IF the CAT5 and COAX does not have a 300v insulation rating.

No prior coax or cat5 expierence. Ran all the coax to a single point for the cable company to hook up. Guy was suprised how easy it was for him.
Ran the cat5 to a cabinet in my laundry room thst holds the modem and wifi router. I get better internet speed being pluged into the ethernet...alot better for streaming.

That explains the code violation... :lol_hitti

Its better and cheaper to hard wire now, then to later on discover that you need to run wires and have to pay more since everything is finished.

:+1: Fishing can be a pain

Sounds like you are going to install a security system. Use CAT5 or 6 and get POE cameras. Running hard wires to your TV locations is a bonus because wireless is less reliable. There are other things you can save money on if thats the issue. But if it were me, I would run them myself and save even more. But then I would also run the electrical myself as well.

:+1: especially in apartments and condos where every single unit has their own WiFi...
 

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Another thing to consider is your electrician may not be too happy with you piggybacking on his permit if these things require a permit. Unless he paid for the permit to include these items, it's his *** if the inspector notices Network cabling when the permit shows none.

It wouldnt be piggybacking on the electricians permit. Thats not how it works. The permit would list the specific things it covers.

If the inspector sees work that is not permitted, it would be on the general or homeowner and job would get red tagged.

The electrician wouldnt be in trouble since he didnt do the unpermitted work.

And not all AHJs require permits for low voltage.

I'm not so sure that low voltage requires a permit...?

Depends on the AHJ...

Some do, some dont....
 
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You were probably typing that as I responded, the network is actually going to be UniFi. :thumbup:

I'm planning to use: UniFi Cloud Key, UniFi Security Gateway, UniFi AC-AP-Lite (x2), UniFi Switch 16 (150W), and possibly the UniFi NVR (but probably Vivotek).
 
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Yea still not 100% sure, but I have time to decide that...I know the Vivotek is "better" than the UniFi, but I like the integration of the whole UniFi system. UniFi's NVR is only 2TB though, whereas the Vivotek is 8TBx2 (max 16TB). With 8 cameras, I don't think 2TB will be big enough, as I would like to store at least 2-3 weeks of video.

For those in the know, I was planning on using this:

CAT6:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p...dium=11064683&utm_term=Slickdeals+LLC-1122587

RJ45 Plugs:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=105&cp_id=10513&cs_id=1051305&p_id=7266&seq=1&format=2

RJ45 Keystone:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=105&cp_id=10513&cs_id=1051303&p_id=1044&seq=1&format=2

Anything else besides the tools?
 
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Seems like you're off to a good start. Don't forget a patch panel. I run OpenMesh network at home, but all of my TV's are hard wired for updates and any "smart apps" stuff that they might need. Plus, I keep all my TV's and IOT stuff on separate networks, and I'm happy to keep them off wifi as much as possible. Also, running an extra UTP (or more, depending on tastes) also allows some flexibility later for distributed video using Balun, etc -- again, it's all future proofing, which you're really addressing with the Conduit Risers. You've done a lot of homework. You'll be happy later.
 

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Maybe run the soffits to the attic and coil up for now? Run them in the conduit and terminate later...
 

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You were probably typing that as I responded, the network is actually going to be UniFi. :thumbup:

I'm planning to use: UniFi Cloud Key, UniFi Security Gateway, UniFi AC-AP-Lite (x2), UniFi Switch 16 (150W), and possibly the UniFi NVR (but probably Vivotek).

yup took me a long while to markup and type all that. But its what i do for a living.

The cloud keys are awesome.

I havent used the UniFI NVRs.

And i wont touch vivotek unless its to take it down. :lol: Have had too many issues with vivotek...

Look like you have done your homework. Just be sure that the Vivotek will work with the Unifi equipment.

Yes, this is a good point. Need to make sure the UniFi NVR and vivotek cams support ONVIF or the same codecs if non-onvif...
 

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Yea still not 100% sure, but I have time to decide that...I know the Vivotek is "better" than the UniFi, but I like the integration of the whole UniFi system. UniFi's NVR is only 2TB though, whereas the Vivotek is 8TBx2 (max 16TB). With 8 cameras, I don't think 2TB will be big enough, as I would like to store at least 2-3 weeks of video.

For those in the know, I was planning on using this:

CAT6:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p...dium=11064683&utm_term=Slickdeals+LLC-1122587

RJ45 Plugs:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=105&cp_id=10513&cs_id=1051305&p_id=7266&seq=1&format=2

RJ45 Keystone:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=105&cp_id=10513&cs_id=1051303&p_id=1044&seq=1&format=2

Anything else besides the tools?

Just me maybe, but I hate those connectors with the inserts. What do the pro's on here think?

I would use these:
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=105&cp_id=10513&cs_id=1051305&p_id=7301&seq=1&format=2
 

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It wouldnt be piggybacking on the electricians permit. Thats not how it works. The permit would list the specific things it covers.

If the inspector sees work that is not permitted, it would be on the general or homeowner and job would get red tagged.

The electrician wouldnt be in trouble since he didnt do the unpermitted work.

True. I guess what I was trying to say and didn't succeed, is that if you do plan to do DIY while you have an electrician with an open permit working, make sure you are pulling your own permit (if required) to cover yourself. My electrician on my house addition mentioned it was happening a lot where he'd finish rough in only to return for inspection and find a bunch of work done by the homeowners without permits.....inspectors were not amused.
 
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yup took me a long while to markup and type all that. But its what i do for a living.

The cloud keys are awesome.

I havent used the UniFI NVRs.

And i wont touch vivotek unless its to take it down. :lol: Have had too many issues with vivotek...



Yes, this is a good point. Need to make sure the UniFi NVR and vivotek cams support ONVIF or the same codecs if non-onvif...

Vivotek cameras are highly rated, are their other components not good? I've heard of people using the older UniFi NVR's (when they were 500GB) and adding an external HD to it. I haven't done enough research yet...At least with the UniFi NVR I know it would work! :thumbup:
 

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Quick sugestion on the rj45 connectors. These are the best for diy. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07451LPHR/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Paladin ez rj45, you can invest in the crimper too, but you can also use a standard one. The great thing with these is you can strip your conductors 4-5" long, push them indivdually into their spot, then pull the excess thru. The Paladin crimper has a cutter for a flush cut, but you can also trim with some flush cutters before you crimp, and then pull it back a 1/16" then crimp. These are wonderful!
I cut the cord years ago(cable tv), when you steam on multiple tv's in a house at the same time, hardwired is really prefererd. Also is gonna be more important with 4k. Every tv steamer I purchase has to have the ability to be hardwired.
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I would not recommend crimping plugs unless you absolutely have to. Install jacks at the outlet end, and a patch panel at the headend. Not a fan of the Monoprice jacks - I use Leviton and ICC primarily.
Make sure you get solid copper cable - not cheap copper coated aluminum - you will have issues.
 

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I would not recommend crimping plugs unless you absolutely have to. Install jacks at the outlet end, and a patch panel at the headend. Not a fan of the Monoprice jacks - I use Leviton and ICC primarily.
Make sure you get solid copper cable - not cheap copper coated aluminum - you will have issues.

X2. I agree with Jeff. I use Superior Essex 66 Series wire with Leviton or the total Belden solution if customer wants a premium product. Plugs are a cheap way for some to cut corners. This can be proved with a proper tester not simply a map tester. Maybe not as important in a residence. I have replaced a number of drops on sites where unscrupulous or poorly trained installers have done shoddy or used cheap products in their installs.
As others have mentioned do the wiring while in the construction stages. It is better to have it roughed in than realize you need it later after your boarding has been completed.
 

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In apartments and condos, its a different story. 2.4ghz wireless spectrum is saturated because there are only 3 non-overlapping channels and as people catch on to 5Ghz and switch over to it, it will get crowded as well.

You out of the loop on that one. 5ghz is well established and 2.4 is pretty much on the way out. 22 channels are not going to get crowded easily. I just looked and have 1135 clients on 5ghz pulling 84 meg of bandwidth, less than half that count on 2.4 and a nearly infinitesimal 20m. Have a single AP pushing 8G on 5 ghz by it's self. At the house, out of 14 wireless devices on the printer and an old Chromecast are using 2.4. Phones, etc have been dual band for a long time now.
 

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I had ~30 runs of cat6,~18 RG6, and ~25 22awg alarm wires ran in my new place. The general was going to give me the time frame to run all the cable myself, but I also had the electrician bid the LV cable as well.

Best $ I ever spent. The electricians did amazing and clean work. The wall plates for electrical and cat6/rg6 are on the same stud, but the cat6 was run at least on the opposite stud as the electrical.
 

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I ran my own Cat5e 15 years ago(2003) Worth every penny and the 2 days of my time.
I would get Cat6 or better....Future proof

WIFI is NOT the way to go. If you can HARDWIRE do it....
 

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OT, but with the mention of Ubiq.

Their current crop of AP's. Will it work with the standard POE switches or does it still need their ~injector~
 
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OT, but with the mention of Ubiq.

Their current crop of AP's. Will it work with the standard POE switches or does it still need their ~injector~

If anything on the specific model mentions 802.3af or 802.3at, then yes, a standard switch is fine.

I have 5 APs going in to my new place, all of which are PoE+ (802.3at)

not to mention a few Cisco IP phones as well (also take 802.3at)
 

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I see. theur current crop of AP's do. Last time I touched a Unifi was a couple years back and it would not work with poe standard
 

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Hard wiring still has a place: wireless access point still need to connect to the network somewhere, cameras need power + network, media benefits, and there's still cable and broadcast TV/radio.

I had the electricians run most of the network and cable, but ran a bunch of cat 6 to the soffits for eventual cameras. It's not difficult work with a few dedicated tools and if this kind of work makes you happy it can be satisfying.

Yep, wired is still worthwhile. Plus it's better for watching HD content like Netflix or Amazon Video if your TV is hard wired into the network. When the walls are opened up, might as well have the cable ran.
 

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Yea still not 100% sure, but I have time to decide that...I know the Vivotek is "better" than the UniFi, but I like the integration of the whole UniFi system. UniFi's NVR is only 2TB though, whereas the Vivotek is 8TBx2 (max 16TB). With 8 cameras, I don't think 2TB will be big enough, as I would like to store at least 2-3 weeks of video.

That may be true. Ive never used Unifi cameras and my experience with Vivotek has been nothing but headaches including installs i didnt do.



I would not use the RJ45 plugs with the inserts unless you are very good at stripping trimming and terminating mod ends.

Just me maybe, but I hate those connectors with the inserts. What do the pro's on here think?

I dont like them either but have used them in a pinch....


I wouldnt use those either. They are for stranded conductors and are shielded which you should only need when doing P2P radios that are subject to weather and possible ESD strikes....the shielding is for draining the ESD to ground...

Vivotek cameras are highly rated, are their other components not good? I've heard of people using the older UniFi NVR's (when they were 500GB) and adding an external HD to it. I haven't done enough research yet...At least with the UniFi NVR I know it would work! :thumbup:

not sure. My customers who have had them didnt like them.

Quick sugestion on the rj45 connectors. These are the best for diy. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07451LPHR/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Those are alright. I prefer the original style that you have to trim the conductors evenly to fit.

You're out of the loop on that one. 5ghz is well established and 2.4 is pretty much on the way out. 22 channels are not going to get crowded easily. I just looked and have 1135 clients on 5ghz pulling 84 meg of bandwidth, less than half that count on 2.4 and a nearly infinitesimal 20m. Have a single AP pushing 8G on 5 ghz by it's self. At the house, out of 14 wireless devices on the printer and an old Chromecast are using 2.4. Phones, etc have been dual band for a long time now.

no not at all.

This has been my actual observational experience at apartment complexes around here. My comment wasnt some copy and paste as you may have thought...

2.4ghz is absolutely saturated and my clients cant get decent signal and speed because the 2.4ghz spectrum is a mess of APs.

5Ghz is a little better but starting to get crowded as well.

And i see you thought i was talking about number of clients which i was not. Im referring to 30 something odd APs all sharing 11 channels on 2.4ghz(only 3 non-overlapping channels) in apartment complexes...

OT, but with the mention of Ubiq.

Their current crop of AP's. Will it work with the standard POE switches or does it still need their ~injector~

I see. their current crop of AP's do. Last time I touched a Unifi was a couple years back and it would not work with poe standard

The Unifi AC pros are 48v so you can use any 802.3af or .at compatible device or switch to power them.

The older Unifi APs are 24v so unless you have a dual voltage switch or device, you will need a 24v injector.
 

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Interesting read on the Uni's. I know they are dirt cheap. I went with Aruba's in the new home. Roaming handoff works quite well
 
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There was some talk either here or on a youtube video I was watching about roaming handoffs with UB AP's. Should I upgrade to the "Pro" or will the AC-Lite be good enough?

Also, I've been doing some more research on the NVR side of things, for those who are interested. A friend of mine has been using a Synology NAS for a few years and loves it. This got me thinking about using Time Machine and being able to use the NAS as a whole-house backup server and NVR in one. Plus, the integration and software seems top notch. The down side is that they require a license-fee for cameras. It comes with two, but it's basically an extra $50/camera after that. Anyone here use one?

I also believe I read somewhere that the UniFi NVR is only compatible with their cameras. That wasn't a smart move on their part, IMO. It has limited storage anyway at 2TB, so I'm guessing they're marketing it to "normal" consumers who may only be using 2-4 cameras and the 2MP quality is "good enough." On a side note, anyone use Nelly's 8MP 4K cameras? $200 seems like a steal for 4K, the quality looks great.

https://www.nellyssecurity.com/cameras/ip-cameras/4k-cameras.html
 
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Nas is great for files/media storage.

If going camera's, I would say PC based NVR is much more powerful than Synology Surveillance Station and or even the NVR's from the PRC...which most of even the cameras are coming from.
 

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There was some talk either here or on a youtube video I was watching about roaming handoffs with UB AP's. Should I upgrade to the "Pro" or will the AC-Lite be good enough?

IIRC, you need an active controller for that feature to work- either running on a machine or a cloud key(my choice).

I would spring for the cloud key controller.

Also, I've been doing some more research on the NVR side of things, for those who are interested. A friend of mine has been using a Synology NAS for a few years and loves it. This got me thinking about using Time Machine and being able to use the NAS as a whole-house backup server and NVR in one. Plus, the integration and software seems top notch. The down side is that they require a license-fee for cameras. It comes with two, but it's basically an extra $50/camera after that. Anyone here use one?

I also believe I read somewhere that the UniFi NVR is only compatible with their cameras. That wasn't a smart move on their part, IMO. It has limited storage anyway at 2TB, so I'm guessing they're marketing it to "normal" consumers who may only be using 2-4 cameras and the 2MP quality is "good enough." On a side note, anyone use Nelly's 8MP 4K cameras? $200 seems like a steal for 4K, the quality looks great.

https://www.nellyssecurity.com/cameras/ip-cameras/4k-cameras.html

I would NOT use a NAS for NVR duty. They are designed for file storage not heavy constant video streaming and recording.

And unless it has a monitor output, you wont be able to view videos locally on the NAS.

Buy a dedicated NVR unit such as a Hikvision NVR or even build your own with PC hardware.

Definitely get a NAS for backup and file storage purposes though..
 

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I would say the NAS would make for excellent NVR storage - if you put drives in that are rated for 100% duty cycle. And, no, SSDs are not good for that purpose.

I've had a synology dual drive NAS for 4 years now. With top of the line drives it's always worked like a champ.
 

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That may be true. Ive never used Unifi cameras and my experience with Vivotek has been nothing but headaches including installs i didnt do.

Ill second this but add that the Unifi Video cameras I installed in the past had issues cameras dropping out needing rebooted NVR wasnt easy to use or configure. but these were all gen 1 products and I'm a strong supporter of the Ubiquiti switches, AP and other products so the cameras were a let down and Ive never ventured back to try the G3 stuff.

If you want simple easy to use cameras with good factory support even as a end user I highly recommend Axis communications and the Companion line of cameras and the Free Camera Companion software. yes they are more expensive but this gains you better support and security. when it comes down to remote viewing of security cameras lost of manufactures basically require you to open a unsecured path into your network. Axis communications and other Major Camera companies offer better secure remote access features

A good NAS for recording is a perfect option I've setup NAS based systems with axis camera companion, axis camera station and Milestone NVR software
 

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So everyone that has used a NAS as an NVR, does your NAS have a monitor output on it?

My 4+ year old Synology NAS does not have a monitor output but things could have changed. I use it only as a storage drive for four machines, full backups once a week, incremental backups six times a week.

It is not just a simple storage unit, it has a full OS (their own version of linux I believe) and is very flexible. You can bring up its desktop from any browser and video files can be viewed that way. It has a full sh (bash IIRC) for scripting and such. You could scp and ssh to it from anywhere. Should be able to use multiple ssh sessions to view multiple cams simultaneously. They do have an NVR app with it but I have not used it. You could probably use a VNC client to view but I have not done that either.
 
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So everyone that has used a NAS as an NVR, does your NAS have a monitor output on it?

Yes and some even support 4K streams. but Ive found most customers dont have a need to view directly from a NVR/dvr any more everything is done via some sort of client application on a PC, Tablet or other device.
 
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I have a trusted friend who has been using a Synology NAS for his home-backup, media storage, and NVR for several years. The Synology has their own OS like kwschumm mentioned, including a video surveillance "station." This allows you to view the camera feeds from any browser, and an app.

The benefit of the NAS is that I could use several bays with WD Purple HDD's for the NVR, and one with a normal NAS HDD as the backup drive. Yes, you do need to use specific HDD's, but since I'm buying new that won't be a problem.
 

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Interesting read on the Uni's. I know they are dirt cheap. I went with Aruba's in the new home. Roaming handoff works quite well

If you can get your hands on them , some of the Wave2 Cisco APs will support roaming between APs w/o a dedicated controller. The newer APs have some local grouping functionality to act as a controller in small deployments. Personally, I sprung for a cheap cisco2504 WLC to support my Wave1 AC (3702) APs. I can't wait for all of my APs to be fully powered in my new place.

So everyone that has used a NAS as an NVR, does your NAS have a monitor output on it?

I have a cheap off the shelf trendnet "NVR" on a isolated vlan and it works ""okay""... It's a single 3TB "NAS" disk, and it records 4x 1080 streams w/o a problem. The UX is a bit **** as it only works with IE. I am actually going to use a FreeNAS box at the new place and back the storage with 8x 250GB sas disks in a RaidZ2 config. I really don't need video output, as I normally check my cameras via rtsp over vpn. The Trendnet cams I have are actually good for the $ spent, as the can write to SMB or NFS directly, onvif, IPv6, and take standard 802.3af poe. If need be, i might try to spin up zoneminder and use freenas as the backend storage over iscsi from my esx server.

The most important bit is that i control my video, and does NOT leave my network unless I want it to. :)
 

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So everyone that has used a NAS as an NVR, does your NAS have a monitor output on it?

Yes my NAS does, but I use Blue Iris on a dedicated PC and move the files to the NAS in the middle of the night...
I can use any web browser or mobile phone to get to the cameras...
 

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This has been my actual observational experience at apartment complexes around here. My comment wasnt some copy and paste as you may have thought...

2.4ghz is absolutely saturated and my clients cant get decent signal and speed because the 2.4ghz spectrum is a mess of APs.

5Ghz is a little better but starting to get crowded as well.

And i see you thought i was talking about number of clients which i was not. Im referring to 30 something odd APs all sharing 11 channels on 2.4ghz(only 3 non-overlapping channels) in apartment complexes...

Our residential apartments have one AP per room, residence halls typically one every other room. 150 APs plus common areas in a 300 bed unit. No complaints. My management system and the APs only use 1, 6 and 11 on 2.4, any of the 22 available on 5. We use an outside company for res halls - the new ones going up will have around 172 beds each, typically one AP per apartment. I believe the base rate guarantee to students is 45mb.

Note FWIW - the now halls are being wired ONLY for wireless, there will be no wall outlet jacks in the units. Hand the kids a RJ-45 cable and they are "what am I supposed to do with that".
 
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I hard wired all the rooms of my house 8 years ago, and wouldn't do it any differently. I use the hard lines mostly for ethernet phones and asterisk. Makes great intercoms too. Hard Lines are ALWAYS more reliable than wifi. I don't know of a consumer level AP i don't have to go reset occasionally. I know i hate it when in a middle of a netflix i have to run upstairs and reset the AP.
 

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Our residential apartments have one AP per room, residence halls typically one every other room. 150 APs plus common areas in a 300 bed unit. No complaints. My management system and the APs only use 1, 6 and 11 on 2.4, any of the 22 available on 5. We use an outside company for res halls - the new ones going up will have around 172 beds each, typically one AP per apartment. I believe the base rate guarantee to students is 45mb.

Note FWIW - the now halls are being wired ONLY for wireless, there will be no wall outlet jacks in the units. Hand the kids a RJ-45 cable and they are "what am I supposed to do with that".

Apples and oranges.

Youre refereing to an apartment conplex that you have control over and Im referring to an apartment complex where each tenant has their own internet service and APs which use the same channels right next to each other.

Cant compare the 2.
 

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My friend in San Francisco got a nice set of the newer cisco AP I mentioned earlier. He is using the new DFS channels in the 5G spectrum that opened up recently. He is the ONLY person on that channel.

it's great if you have new gear that all supports DFS channels. Back when I was managing a 10K user campus, we were lucky even 10% of our clients had 5Ghz radios let alone DFS support. :(
 
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