d42jeep
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Thanks for the correction. We strive for accuracy.
Since it's your thread, please list some more difficult to find GMTK tools.
-Don
-Don
)I was kind of hoping to keep this focused on the 1980 sets shown in the inspection layouts, to be honest! Hoping the 80's collectors would be posting examples and we can follow their lead. (But maybe there aren't any 80's guys!)
"Difficult to find" is subjective. But here are a few I consider hard to find...
- Drag link bits (47/64", 15/16", 1-3/16")
- Electrician's (or "cabinet") screwdrivers (2-1/2" and 5-1/2" shanks)
- Brass drift (1" x 7" or 3/4" x 10")
- Hacksaw blades (hard, 12" x 24 TPI)
- 3-square file (8" *******)
- Long 15* angle pattern DBE wrench (11/16" x 3/4")
I have this image in my head of miniature versions of you and Don standing on each of my shoulders. Don is the angel calling me back to the light (WWII), and you are the devil egging me on to the dark side (the 1980 sets)!Don't worry Lugz, we'll work backwards into it!

Thanks for this, MMM.I recall some Easco, either ratchets or wrenches.
Thanks, brian.We had a mix in our boxes I remember KAL tools mostly, and our tool room had some Snap On.
As in all collectible toolkits, that’s the $64,000 question, notlob. And just like other toolkits from other eras, the answer is pretty much the same. That is, physical features and mfgrs', brand, and model markings. That's a knowledge base that a small group of us have developed over time for each tool (qty ~115) in the GMTK. It includes federal specifications, technical manuals, sites like AA and now TA, catalogs, and lots of industry research, with the goal of identifying the verified suppliers and what their tools looked like. It sounds like a brush off, but it really can’t be summarized in a post let alone a thread. It's not at all an exaggeration that we have hundreds of threads going exploring the subject. Best place to start is a sort of index of links or 'guide to the guides' "stickie" on G503 here.I have vintage examples of most, if not all, of the above list (lots of hacksaw blades and 3 square files in particular.) How do I know which specific tools are the correct military versions?
notlob said:For example - Is this extremely heavy duty HD Smith perfect handle screwdriver a correct military example?
That’s a great example. It is probably the correct specs for the extra heavy duty machinists’ screwdriver (5” blade – the total length is typically about 9-1/2”), but it’s too early. H.D. Smith was out of business before WWII. IRWIN, Tobrin, and Federal have been verified as WWII-era US Army Ordnance Dept suppliers. That "US" stamp is almost certainly martial, giving it more provenance than most WWII specimens (I have a WWII example with an Ordnance Dept "TAXI" number embossed in it), but I suspect your gorgeous and impeccable example is WWI or interwar. I don't know what tool-set (the concept of a "GTMK" did not exist until 1938), but there were EHD machinists' screwdrivers in other sets, including, among the specialists' tool-sets, the machinist's and the carburetor mechanic's. They could also be found in sets associated with caissons for pulling various guns.Here's the flip side with some sort of US stamping
So, barring any visual evidence, can any of the gentlemen that worked in the motorpool (during the 70s/80s) provide any recollections of the brands they remember using? Don't worry Lugz, we'll work backwards into it!
Bill
No problem.
At the risk of looking like a shill, I will mention that a few years ago I developed a flea market guide (more like a "cheat sheet" I guess) to collecting the WWII GMTK. It is the size of a GMTK toolbox, folds up, and it's covered in a clear laminate. Inspired in part by the kinds of tool silhouettes at the top of this thread, it includes an actual size outline of every tool in a wartime GTMK, with some key specs and timeline info (if pertinent), along with a condensed list of verified suppliers, with as much abbreviated mfgr and model marking tips and cues as I could cram in next to each mfgrs' name.
Link here for more info, even if you're just curious to see how I did it!
Here're a couple photos to better visualize the concept...
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I have vintage examples of most, if not all, of the above list (lots of hacksaw blades and 3 square files in particular.) How do I know which specific tools are the correct military versions?
For example - Is this extremely heavy duty HD Smith perfect handle screwdriver a correct military example?
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As a 63B in 90-93, the kits weren't much different by then.
The toolbox inspections were pretty informal at my post, but did result in somebody saying "hey that's mine!" every few minutes.
I have this screw driver....I was always curious about.....has no visable markings other than drop forged and a 2..... a question about wood screw drivers how can you tell the manufacturer if there are no visable markings if possibleBB,
Another useful tool for identifying WW2 correct tools is Twertsy's Tool Archives site. In the GMTK section there are correct examples pictured for almost every GMTK tool. Here is a link to the extra heavy duty screwdriver.
http://www.toolarchives.com/41-S-1385
-Don



I don't recognize those markings, Bockscar....has no visable markings other than drop forged and a 2.....
Most of the vintage so-called "perfect handle" screwdrivers are marked on the shank, handle, or both. H.D. Smith patented it. Later, IRWIN, Tobrin, Federal and others appropriated it.Bockscar said:how can you tell the manufacturer if there are no visable markings
It never ceases to amaze me what people will collect and how much information is out there in the nooks and crannies of the web. Thanks again.found the PDF on the trowelcollecor site.