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Bob, I already have Walnut. My shop is behind a very good lumber yard. And the owner is a personal friend. It does not help my hoarding tendencies.

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I have a few 16' Cedar boards up on the rack that I picked up about 10 years ago to build a strip planked kayak. Should be good and dry by now.
One day.... When the other projects are finished.

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Longest I could find was 14 foot. I will need to scarf it as the kayak is 16 feet. Only for the gunwales/sides anyway. The keel will be cypress and that will also have to be scarfed. I don't know why I am getting fussy as I do not intend to cover it. The engineering on this boat is gorgeous.
 

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"I have two kinds of tools: (1) the tools I forget to use and (2) the tools I can't remember where they are. I need to buy Smart tools -- the kind that have an iPhone built-in that'll call me whenever I'm lost."

Well I've finally got you beat. I have three kinds of tools: (1) the tools I forget to use, (2) the tools I can't remember where they are, and (3) the inadequate ones I use anyway every time because it's not worth the frustration or time to go get the right tool I know I have, somewhere.

I'm still impressed by your convincing argument of your skill set over on JB thread. :bowdown:
 

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Besides those smart new tools are the ones that get you caught out on the "Spousal disapproval act" of 1809. Last thing you want is to incur the wrath level 10,000 with every tool looking to find you! Much easier sneaking an old classic around, passing it off as an old tool you owned since before you met her. :)
 

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Hey Bob,

I thought you had a table saw. I used to have one that I mounted a router upside down under the table, extended through the table and was able to use the fence as a guide.

Now use a dedicated router table stand. Makes a great small work base for other projects.

Cheers,

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Bob, I already have Walnut. My shop is behind a very good lumber yard. And the owner is a personal friend. It does not help my hoarding tendencies.

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Andrew, years ago we had privately owned lumber yards in our area but now even those don't carry anything more exotic than fir.
Longest I could find was 14 foot. I will need to scarf it as the kayak is 16 feet. Only for the gunwales/sides anyway. The keel will be cypress and that will also have to be scarfed. I don't know why I am getting fussy as I do not intend to cover it. The engineering on this boat is gorgeous.
Bobby, I saved a cedar Old Town canoe from the fireplace more than 40 years ago. The rope holding it to the porch ceiling let go and punched several holes in the bottom. It was in an old mansion whose owner gave me the canoe but couldn't be talked out of the 1930s Rolls-Royce in the basement garage (he was going to restore it). My repair was done with a bundle of cedar shakes and a belt sander. Looked good with a layer of fiberglass and clear poly on the outside and a half-dozen coats of spar varnish inside. Wife gave it away after a canoe trip in the Everglades -- the alligator they passed was about the same length as the canoe. That upset her less than the sound of an airboat coming their way through the sawgrass (standing up in the canoe waving a paddle scared her to death).
"I have two kinds of tools: (1) the tools I forget to use and (2) the tools I can't remember where they are. I need to buy Smart tools -- the kind that have an iPhone built-in that'll call me whenever I'm lost."

Well I've finally got you beat. I have three kinds of tools: (1) the tools I forget to use, (2) the tools I can't remember where they are, and (3) the inadequate ones I use anyway every time because it's not worth the frustration or time to go get the right tool I know I have, somewhere.

I'm still impressed by your convincing argument of your skill set over on JB thread. :bowdown:
Andy, I believe you are right. I try to avoid using nails but I have been known to drive popped ones home with a Crescent wrench.

My wife says I'm stubborn. I guess continuing to weld when I don't know what I am doing could be an example. My welds were bad using a flux core wire feed machine so I bought a solid wire feed MIG and a tank of gas. A little less spatter but carbon steel must have been the real problem. With different gas and stainless wire the welds still looked bad so I bought a DC TIG machine. I'm convinced the problem is steel so I'm going to use the spool gun on aluminum. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Besides those smart new tools are the ones that get you caught out on the "Spousal disapproval act" of 1809. Last thing you want is to incur the wrath level 10,000 with every tool looking to find you! Much easier sneaking an old classic around, passing it off as an old tool you owned since before you met her. :)
Guster, are you aware of the loophole in the 1809 SDA? Used or refurbished tools are exempt because just like insanity, 'I've owned it in my dreams for a long time' is a valid and universally accepted defense. As a last resort, some dabs of latex paint smeared on the new tool may suffice.
Here I am catching up on Bob's thread and realize ya'll are talking about me behind my back. I guess I have some catching up to do.

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JB, Andy has been talking about you in front of your back as well. He likes to sneak into threads and leave a little flaming bag behind.
Hey Bob,

I thought you had a table saw. I used to have one that I mounted a router upside down under the table, extended through the table and was able to use the fence as a guide.

Now use a dedicated router table stand. Makes a great small work base for other projects.

Cheers,

Ken
Ken, I was over on your thread several times recently. Your shed is looking fantastic. It's nice to start using it instead of just working on it.

My table saw is pretty sad. I chose it based on price so it has very few redeeming qualities. The slots in the table require a special guide and if I wanted to add an extension it would be a very flimsy mount. My router table came with legs but I just clamp the table in my Black&Decker Workmate.
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I have decided to change course slightly. I'm going to do some wood projects and try to improve the results (I don't expect any improvement in my skills).

I wanted to be able to better cover my mistakes in woodworking so I thought wood plugs were a good idea. I only owned one plug cutter so I solved that problem by buying a couple of very cheap Chinese plug cutters. They arrived loose in a couple of bags within a bag so I thought I would make a simple rack. I laid the cutters down next to a piece of furring and marked the centers. Used my Incra ruler (thanks GJ!) to mark the center to intersect with all my other marks. I thought drilling a series of holes with twist bits would work but it didn't come out perfect.
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I own a drill press so I thought it might help if I used it to drill the holes. It also occurred to me that I have a set of Forstner bits that might work better. Because the drill press and Forstner bits are in the workshop I had the opportunity to find a scrap piece of walnut.

I stepped through the sizes from 1/4" through 3/8" and the holes came out much better. My creative camerawork, not so much.
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To my surprise, all but one of the plug cutters fit fine. Turns out the machining line at the Chinese plant decided to make the smallest plug cutter have a slightly larger stem. I was fortunate to find a 13/32" twist drill and was able to enlarge the one hole. My original plug cutter took center stage in the holder. I am pretty sure I've had that one for more than 30 years.
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Now I have to find a way to mount it because it falls over quite easily and I don't think those cutters like bouncing off concrete.
 

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I purchased some new router bits so I can build that ice maker/audio cabinet. I also believe I may need to make some tongue and groove boards to finish the workshop walls. I had a lapse in judgement (big surprise!) and bought a couple of locking miter bits (for 1/2 and 3/4 lumber). I may have to do some serious practicing with those bits. I also got my new router base to mount the Porter-Cable style brass guide for the track setup.

Many of my router bits are plain steel rather than carbide edged. Carbide bits were outrageously expensive 30 years ago and I only sprung for them when laminate trimming was involved. Anyway here is most of the collection (new ones are yellow except for that lonely one in the black box).
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I ordered a collection of five mortise bits (1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 5/8" and 3/4"). As soon as I placed the order I remembered something from another thread (probably Jim Reed's Woodworking 101). They sell mortise bits in the standard plywood thicknesses so the mortise will be tight without making multiple passes. Sure enough, Amazon had them and now so do I. I was surprised when the new bits arrived because they were packaged in wooden boxes -- with box joints!
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I think it's time for some test passes.
 

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Bob, nice work on the rack:thumbup:

Yet another project I should do myself..

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Steve, I am amazed how Garage Journal shames me into doing stuff like this. I stop by lilscorpion's thread and tears begin to well. I mean, he's replacing 'to-die-for' cabinets in his garage with better ones, partly because he wants his collection of squares and rulers to fit comfortably in a drawer. My cheap un-tapered squares hang on a pegboard. I do have that one INCRA RULE because of him (or maybe it was Sakurama).
 

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I never thought I would say this to an other man, but "nice rack"

Looks nice and orderly, just like you like it.

Thanks for the comment on my thread, yes it does feel good to work on some projects in the shed rather than just working on the shed. Just need to get my son's car out of it! Seems he has the keys, and is 400 kilometres away.
 

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You certainly won’t be running out of bits.

My drillbits that are not in tins, are all stored on a big piece of 2x4 with progressively larger holes, just like my father did.

I love these simple solutions.
 

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JB, Andy has been talking about you in front of your back as well. He likes to sneak into threads and leave a little flaming bag behind.
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Hey Bob, I was just catching up on your thread and came across this gem - fortunately no beverages were involved.
You crack me up. :lol:

I need to sort my drill bits out, they're all over the place - nice work on the rack. :thumbup:
 

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Bob--good to see that you found some "standard plywood" router bits. Now all you have to do is find some plywood that is "standard sized". Seems like every piece I pick up is slightly different from the one beside it. How do they do that?

So good luck making some shavings before summer, when people who live on the surface of the sun come to Boca for some heat "because they have the shivers".
 

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So Bob, the new shop we’re helping you build is going to be mortise and tenon construction. Cool, I’ll learn a new skill. Can we start soon it’s already hitting the 80’s.


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Bob, you are inspirational this weekend. After I saw what you did with your bits, I made a holder for my plug cutter set and then cleaned up my Forstner bit drawer. Those big bits that have been rattling around have finally been tamed and stored neatly in deli meat boxes. Thanks for the inspiration.
 

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Guster, are you aware of the loophole in the 1809 SDA? Used or refurbished tools are exempt because just like insanity, 'I've owned it in my dreams for a long time' is a valid and universally accepted defense. As a last resort, some dabs of latex paint smeared on the new tool may suffice.

That is positively sneaky! With all the glee of a grandpa teaching us his one trick of getting one over on grandma all these years. :spit:

The term you are looking for is 'distressing' and it is considered an art form these days. Like all the clothes and furniture that is purposely scuffed, cut, dented, cracked, nicked and torn to look old and used. Actually did quite a bit of it when making movie props but never thought to do it to tools. There is a whole group of GJ'ers - tool polishers - who would have a fit to think of doing this.

I may have to start a thread on this art-form just to bring a certain balance to the world. :thumbup:

Not familiar with the loophole. Sounds a bit dodgy. I don't think I could easily get away with that compared to the distressing trick.
 
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My old trick for "aging" new woodworking equipment was to sprinkle it liberally with sawdust. It worked amazingly well until The Queen caught me with a new box one day at lunchtime. It seems she also made a special trip home during work. She surprised me with my new tool just as I surprised her with her new boxes of shoes. After that, we just dragged the stuff in and smiled at each other.
 
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snigger, you said "nice rack" snigger
And it is , good work Bob:thumbup:
Nothing better than box fresh/sharp router bits, hold tight to the timber and pass it over the cutters, probably, slower than you think.
Thats a lovely photo Bob ^^^ a well used home shop always a great thing.
Steve:beer:
Steve, one of the things that greeted me on entering my 70s were the dreaded "Man *****" so you aren't the only one to notice -- OK, my wife was the first but she can be cruel.

I need to practice using my routers because I do tend to move too fast with the larger ones. Same thing with drilling holes -- fast isn't always good.

I wish I could just finish cleaning the shop but every time I clear a space I find a project to fill it up.
I never thought I would say this to an other man, but "nice rack"

Looks nice and orderly, just like you like it.

Thanks for the comment on my thread, yes it does feel good to work on some projects in the shed rather than just working on the shed. Just need to get my son's car out of it! Seems he has the keys, and is 400 kilometres away.
Ken, see above answer....

The best part of having a place to store things is the ability to immediately see something is missing. After I finished mounting the rack I had an empty hole and went back to the bench to find a cutter hiding under the circular saw (it's out so I can try a 45-degree cut with the track).

I almost miss the days of having my son's stuff cluttering up the garage but it's been more than 30 years.
You certainly won’t be running out of bits.

My drillbits that are not in tins, are all stored on a big piece of 2x4 with progressively larger holes, just like my father did.

I love these simple solutions.
Rian, the best part of the block of wood solution is having one place to go for a bit. My favorite bits are the 1/4-inch hex drive ones because they pop right in and out.
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Hey Bob, I was just catching up on your thread and came across this gem - fortunately no beverages were involved.
You crack me up. :lol:

I need to sort my drill bits out, they're all over the place - nice work on the rack. :thumbup:
Mark, you of all people know better. Andy has a couple of new machines so maybe he'll make some really cool bags to drop.

I haven't conquered the multiple locations for drill bits but I'm at least reducing the number. When I get down to one place in the garage and one place in the workshop, I'll be happy.
Bob--good to see that you found some "standard plywood" router bits. Now all you have to do is find some plywood that is "standard sized". Seems like every piece I pick up is slightly different from the one beside it. How do they do that?

So good luck making some shavings before summer, when people who live on the surface of the sun come to Boca for some heat "because they have the shivers".
Jim, I worry about the plywood as well but I'm hoping the oak faced stuff from Home depot will be more uniform (for the price, I'll be upset if it isn't).

Both the garage and workshop are air conditioned (just 120v window units) so I'm good for working inside. I also have some shady spots in the yard where I can work for short periods.

I was upset with the cold weather this winter so I invested in a heater on one of the coldest days. However I didn't want to give up valuable space to store the heater when it isn't being used. To make room I put my 1989 Sony boom box out at the end of my driveway where it lasted about 11 minutes.
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I enjoy having music in the garage and workshop but CDs and cassettes take too much time. My solution was to buy a used Bose unit and an iPod with all the songs from the CDs and cassettes installed. I can still listen to the radio but that's going to take a better antenna. The smaller footprint of the Bose unit left plenty of room for the heater.
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It's like having a 100-watt bulb and a fan but it takes care of the chill in the workshop. I don't have a heater for the garage but this winter the garage never got below 70*F. If it does get cold in there I just take one of the cars for a quick drive and park it back in the garage.
Looks good Bob. Tools Rules!
Bobby, you rule! I can't believe you have your own private sawmill. Can't wait to see the bed and blade in place. Maybe we'll have a cool spring and you can get the power plant installed as well.
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Stewart, construction already began but for some reason it's going on two houses down the street. It's so hard to get good help these days.
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Bob, you are inspirational this weekend. After I saw what you did with your bits, I made a holder for my plug cutter set and then cleaned up my Forstner bit drawer. Those big bits that have been rattling around have finally been tamed and stored neatly in deli meat boxes. Thanks for the inspiration.
Jim, you are more than welcome because you have inspired me to tackle woodworking projects beyond screwing two-bys together. Your bit storage solution saves on wood but those deli meat boxes would be lost in the piles in my workshop. In spite of my wife's belief to the contrary, I need more empty drawers. Oh no, I mentioned drawers -- can skid marks be far behind.
That is positively sneaky! With all the glee of a grandpa teaching us his one trick of getting one over on grandma all these years. :spit:

The term you are looking for is 'distressing' and it is considered an art form these days. Like all the clothes and furniture that is purposely scuffed, cut, dented, cracked, nicked and torn to look old and used. Actually did quite a bit of it when making movie props but never thought to do it to tools. There is a whole group of GJ'ers - tool polishers - who would have a fit to think of doing this.

I may have to start a thread on this art-form just to bring a certain balance to the world. :thumbup:

Not familiar with the loophole. Sounds a bit dodgy. I don't think I could easily get away with that compared to the distressing trick.
Guster, distressing is right! It's also the feeling I get when a brown box arrives and the delivery person is reaching for the doorbell. That loophole is a last resort and likely only works once.
My old trick for "aging" new woodworking equipment was to sprinkle it liberally with sawdust. It worked amazingly well until The Queen caught me with a new box one day at lunchtime. It seems she also made a special trip home during work. She surprised me with my new tool just as I surprised her with her new boxes of shoes. After that, we just dragged the stuff in and smiled at each other.
Jim, I'm finding more and more excuses for being at or near the end of my driveway in the afternoon. There isn't a weed within ten feet in any direction from there. I may have to paint the driveway with a toothbrush.
 

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I discovered a flaw in my plans for the cutter holder. I wanted to bevel the back side of the block before mounting it. I set up the table saw for 22 or so degrees and put stops on the fence and table to help guide this small piece of wood.
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I was astonished that it was actually working until the block was almost all the way through the blade. It stopped dead so I turned off the saw and discovered the block had dropped into the opening next to the blade.
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I decided to abandon my power tools and got out the Japanese pull saw to finish the cut. Not my best work but I wasn't thinking clearly. When I blame my tools for my mistakes, it doesn't result in a measured or careful response.
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Back to the garage and some work with 400-grit sandpaper on a block of wood took out most of the flaws. It isn't perfect but that surface won't show.
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My very first attempt at making a bit holder from a scrap of furring last week actually worked OK. It's an assortment of 1/4-inch hex drive drills and countersinks that didn't come in a container. Rather than another failure with the table saw, RAS, miter saw or router, I got out the Stanley rabbet plane and made some shavings.
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The plug cutters and miscellaneous hex bits now have a home. They are easy to get to and I can see right away when I haven't put something back.
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Hey Bob, where did you find that drill bit set mounted on your cabinet door? I'd love to find one just like it to attach to the wall for easy access.

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Hey Bob, where did you find that drill bit set mounted on your cabinet door? I'd love to find one just like it to attach to the wall for easy access.

Gil
Gil, I bought that set at Costco. My wife correctly suggested I had a lot of those bits but I think it was around $35 so just the long drill bits made it a bargain. It was quite a few years ago and I only saw them on the shelf for a short time. Just like the 25-foot air hose reel for $22.

The drill set came with clear plastic doors that lasted a long time. Right up to the day it fell off the bench for the 37th time -- which is why I mounted it door-less on the door. I checked the case for a brand name but all it has is a Patent Pending embossed on the back.
 

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OK thanks Bob, if you find something at Costco you think you might want, you have to get it then or it will be gone, as I have found out. That looks like a handy set though. You can never have too many drill bits or clamps as I have found out over many years of DIY work!

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OK, I'm way behind. I'll go back and catch up, but you had a dangerous situation with that piece of wood falling into the slot. It would be nice to have some zero clearance inserts which start blank and you can cut by raising the blade. Alternatively, clamp a piece of plywood to the table top, up against the fence, then raise the blade through it.

You didn't need the advice but I enjoyed giving it immensely.:3gears:
 
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OK thanks Bob, if you find something at Costco you think you might want, you have to get it then or it will be gone, as I have found out. That looks like a handy set though. You can never have too many drill bits or clamps as I have found out over many years of DIY work!

Gil
Gil, I tell my wife that and she says not to worry -- it'll be there next time. We discovered Costco puts a signal on its shelf tags. If there is an asterisk next to the price, the item is not going to be re-stocked -- not necessarily forever but whatever is on the shelf is all there is for now. When a * showed up on the Snack Factory Pretzel Crisps Dark Chocolate Crunch, she bought 20 packages. Then she complained we spend too much money at Costco.
OK, I'm way behind. I'll go back and catch up, but you had a dangerous situation with that piece of wood falling into the slot. It would be nice to have some zero clearance inserts which start blank and you can cut by raising the blade. Alternatively, clamp a piece of plywood to the table top, up against the fence, then raise the blade through it.

You didn't need the advice but I enjoyed giving it immensely.:3gears:
Andy, I knew I was in trouble and shut the saw off immediately. My Craftsman table saw doesn't have the normal inserts so even straight cuts are dodgy.
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While I don't think I can raise the tilted saw through the plywood, I could set the angle and height, push the plywood through and clamp it down. So simple -- I wish I had a way to remember to do that. Maybe I should start a Brother Andy Shop Savvy Stuff document for reference. Must remember BASSS.
 

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I caught that reference to large mouth bass.

Most saws, when tilted, move parallel to the saw blade and will cut right through a piece of plywood. I'd like to know if yours does not.

Your bit holder is cool. Nice idea to tilt it outward.

My holder for Allen wrenches is neither metric nor imperial. I just put them all together in order of size because I can never figure out which i need.
 

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Hi Bob
Thought I'd drop by and catch up cause it's been since Christmas.
Nice to see you working in the wood shop on several projects.

I need to get away from my metal shop and spend some time in my wood shop and learn how to make stuff for my shop.

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Thanks Bob, I learned that signal a few years ago, but even without it, they jsut stop carrying some products without warning. I hear you about your wife's issue of buying lots if an item is to disappear. Mine will do the same, but then complain WE buy too much when shopping at Costco. I remember going in at Christmas a year or two ago to buy a Pumpkin pie and she went in with me and told me not to get a cart as the pie was all we would need, Well, after lugging about 6 items around the store, I gave up and got a cart. I think the bill ended up around $250!! Mind you these were all items she picked out, not me! So, I completely understand your dilemma!
 

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Bob

It comes back to that important ability to understand women (the new book just realised in updated format for understanding women):

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I also was explaining to some people only recently the necessity to understand the difference between men's logic and women's by this story :

A wife told her husband to "go to the store and get a litre of milk, oh and if they've got tomatoes get 5". So when the man got home with 5 litres of milk she couldn't understand.......:eyecrazy: :bounce: :bounce: :thumbup: ;)

Lyndon
Just sayin'
 

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I discovered a flaw in my plans for the cutter holder. I wanted to bevel the back side of the block before mounting it. I set up the table saw for 22 or so degrees and put stops on the fence and table to help guide this small piece of wood.
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I was astonished that it was actually working until the block was almost all the way through the blade. It stopped dead so I turned off the saw and discovered the block had dropped into the opening next to the blade.
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I decided to abandon my power tools and got out the Japanese pull saw to finish the cut. Not my best work but I wasn't thinking clearly. When I blame my tools for my mistakes, it doesn't result in a measured or careful response.
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Back to the garage and some work with 400-grit sandpaper on a block of wood took out most of the flaws. It isn't perfect but that surface won't show.
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My very first attempt at making a bit holder from a scrap of furring last week actually worked OK. It's an assortment of 1/4-inch hex drive drills and countersinks that didn't come in a container. Rather than another failure with the table saw, RAS, miter saw or router, I got out the Stanley rabbet plane and made some shavings.
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The plug cutters and miscellaneous hex bits now have a home. They are easy to get to and I can see right away when I haven't put something back.
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Excellent work :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:!!!
 
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I caught that reference to large mouth bass.

Most saws, when tilted, move parallel to the saw blade and will cut right through a piece of plywood. I'd like to know if yours does not.

Your bit holder is cool. Nice idea to tilt it outward.

My holder for Allen wrenches is neither metric nor imperial. I just put them all together in order of size because I can never figure out which i need.
Andy, I had to go back and fix that. I added "Brother" when it came out as an inappropriate acronym.

You were right about the saw blade moving parallel. My first try didn't work because I couldn't hold the plywood down while raising the tilted blade. This isn't the dumbest thing I've ever done but it deserves a nomination for the top 100.
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I decided to tilt the holders because it's difficult to remove them from this one that isn't tilted.
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I bought metric and SAE allen wrench sets from Harbor Freight. I have socket racks for the 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive allens but most are just sitting in a box with the hope I'll never need any of them.
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Bob Heine

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Hi Bob
Thought I'd drop by and catch up cause it's been since Christmas.
Nice to see you working in the wood shop on several projects.

I need to get away from my metal shop and spend some time in my wood shop and learn how to make stuff for my shop.

Don
Don, I'm amazed to see you drop by. Even more amazed that you can type after all that blocking on the '62 Corvette.

I did the opposite and got away from the wood for a day and welded some steel. It's nice to be able to change over.
 
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