Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack Versus Snap On FJ300 Jack

[xin]

@ xin, Hiball knows what he's doing. You
Remind me of the fella that comes on here, and mouths off to people that are always willing to help, never tries to help anyone, never tells anyone Nice Job on anything, just likes to act smart, and dosen't hang around for very long.
Highball knows what he is doing, and is willing to help.
We are all nice to each other on here, attitudes are not appreciated, nor needed. .
if you can't say something nice...................

Kinda like you are here?

Contradicting what you ranted on and on. People do not have to agree on everything you list here and I don't have to believe anything some person writes either.

That is the problem, everyone says you have to agree because this guy said so (no I don't).

 

[bubinga]

Kinda like you are here?

Contradicting what you ranted on and on. People do not have to agree on everything you list here and I don't have to believe anything some person writes either.

That is the problem, everyone says you have to agree because this guy said so (no I don't).

Maybe,Kind of sort of, yes.
But the difference is i know a few things too, and if I can help someone, I do, as long as I know what I am talking about.

And if someone did a good job on something, I am supportive.
I have never even seen you on here, Helping anyone, or complimenting someones work. and Just a Guess.........But you probably won't stick around...........AAMOF, first time I have seen your name.
again, Highball IS the Man On Jacks! And he is willing to help.

 

[Hiball]

No worries Bubinga.. He has all the right in the world to believe whatever he wants, Hell there are people who still argue that the world is flat. It’s easy to easy to sit behind a keyboard and dispute someones statement, it’s another thing to put yourself out there for everyone to question and offer proof to dispute “Any” offer to the contrary of said statement. The fact that his argument to the COO of the current Snap On lineup of lift equipment, even when Snap On clearly states the origin, is telling enough for me.

 

[bubinga]

No worries Bubinga.. He has all the right in the world to believe whatever he wants, Hell there are people who still argue that the world is flat. It’s easy to easy to sit behind a keyboard and dispute someones statement, it’s another thing to put yourself out there for everyone to question and offer proof to dispute “Any” offer to the contrary of said statement. The fact that his argument to the COO of the current Snap On lineup of lift equipment, even when Snap On clearly states the origin, is telling enough for me.

LOL...........
That's all good.
I just like that there are people will to help on here, And I try to if I know something.
and I know you Know what you're talking about as far as fixing Jack.
I never really looked into, or cared about COO of either jack.
But if Snap On clearly states the origin, then that should be the truth.
A provable true fact .
And, No Xin, we all don't have to agree with each other.
Lots of things are personal opinion, and personal experience,
YMMV type of thing.

 

[kythri]

This individual's posting history makes it quite clear why they are here, and it's not to contribute to the forum in any positive way.

 

[Rewind97]

Yes, but now he needs to tear down the Snap-on jack and compare individual parts. A real head to head showdown, a "jack-off" if you will.

That's a lot of $$$ to spend just to tear down a jack. No one here (to my knowledge) has offered to tear down (or offered their jack) for this purpose.

 

[ericg]

SO just posted a video on jack 3328 which looks like the FJ discussed here

 

[kythri]

The jack in that video is an FJ200, not an FJ300.

 

[bmwpowere36m3]

Too bad they don't take apart the power unit.

 

[bubinga]

Too bad they don't take apart the power unit.

Oh, so they just show us how to "remove the power unit.....LOL.

 

[Wamsutta]

The jack in that video is an FJ200, not an FJ300.

I'm wondering what the differences are.

 

[Strouty]

I'm wondering what the differences are.

About 2000 pounds.

 

[Wamsutta]

About 2000 pounds.

The FJ300 weighs 2000 pounds more? I'm having a hard enough time as it is dead lifting the Daytona's 112 pounds.

 

[Nineeightyone]

You don't know that... The Hydraulic unit that is used in the Daytona is shared with the lower priced HF jacks, the only difference is the seals used on the pump Pistons and magnets (snicker), so for everyone following along, this means these jacks can be optioned out via the manufactuer. Until someone (I'm working on securing one) takes the time to dissect the SO model it's only internet chatter.

As a home mechanic/hobbyist, I've got one of the HF low profile 2.5 ton floor jacks, I've had it for about a decade now and haven't had any complaints, but I'm looking for a second jack. I was eying up the Daytona since it looked like a bit more of a "pimped out" version of the one I had, until I read Hiball's teardown, which seems to point to the jack not being worth the money.

What would you guys recommend for someone on a budget, who needs that lower reach/access? I've noticed that putting the back end of one of my cars up in the air brings my current jack pretty close to the end of its travel, so I'd like to get something with at least a similar range, but something a little higher quality might be nice.

I don't work on anything overly heavy, just small-midsize cars, so I don't need much, but I've run into a few situations where a second jack would be handy.

 

[drtyler]

The 3 ton low profile at HF is less than $100 and seems to fit what you want, unless you spend a bit more to buy a Hein Werner 2 ton for $300 or so (new cost). While not low profile, it is a proven jack that will also be rebuildable in the future.

As a home mechanic/hobbyist, I've got one of the HF low profile 2.5 ton floor jacks, I've had it for about a decade now and haven't had any complaints, but I'm looking for a second jack. I was eying up the Daytona since it looked like a bit more of a "pimped out" version of the one I had, until I read Hiball's teardown, which seems to point to the jack not being worth the money.

What would you guys recommend for someone on a budget, who needs that lower reach/access? I've noticed that putting the back end of one of my cars up in the air brings my current jack pretty close to the end of its travel, so I'd like to get something with at least a similar range, but something a little higher quality might be nice.

I don't work on anything overly heavy, just small-midsize cars, so I don't need much, but I've run into a few situations where a second jack would be handy.

 

[Wamsutta]

Maybe you should go by the store and if a floor model works better return it and get another one until you get a good one.

Hiball is correct, I'm on my 3rd Daytona. The 1st one had a misaligned handle release; the 2nd one had some welds that I didn't like; and the 3rd one seems to be the best I'm going to get as far as quality goes out of that model series.

 

[kythri]

I was eying up the Daytona since it looked like a bit more of a "pimped out" version of the one I had, until I read Hiball's teardown, which seems to point to the jack not being worth the money.

Was that really his assessment?

 

[kythri]

Hiball is correct, I'm on my 3rd Daytona. The 1st one had a misaligned handle release; the 2nd one had some welds that I didn't like; and the 3rd one seems to be the best I'm going to get as far as quality goes out of that model series.

Which one of the three is the one you've actually used?

 

[Wamsutta]

Which one of the three is the one you've actually used?

The 2nd one.

 

[Nineeightyone]

Was that really his assessment?

That was what I gathered at least... I mean it makes me a little leary about buying another jack from HF, but the one I have now hasn't really given me any reasons to be concerned, it's mostly just my effort to add another jack for redundancy and some things where two jacks is handy.

The post in question:

Run Away... Daytona does have Ucups on both the pump Pistons.

But utilizes the old crappy Oring/Shell on the Main Ram.. Junk.. Junk... And more Junk.

Not to mention the Cartridge valve system, Mickey Mouse magnetic filtering system which consists of magnets stuck to the cylinder and the screen right below it, in this case it wasn't even touching the screen on one side.

I would also like to add, the hydraulic unit casting was ****, you can already see metal particles on the magnets.

 

[WWheeler]

Got my Daytona jack delivered going on a year and a half now. It's been used at least an average of once a week - probably closer to twice that - mostly on cars/pickups/suvs but occasionally to raise a tire on heavier equipment like a dump or bucket truck (among other things, we do trees). It still works just like it did on day one. Everyone who has touched it compliments it.

 

[Hiball]

That was what I gathered at least... I mean it makes me a little leary about buying another jack from HF, but the one I have now hasn't really given me any reasons to be concerned, it's mostly just my effort to add another jack for redundancy and some things where two jacks is handy.

The post in question:

The Daytona jack isn’t anything spectacular, it uses the same hydraulic core unit as the regular 3 ton unit, the only differences are 2 magnets thrown in the reservoir and the pump cylinders utilize Ucups versus Oring/backup and some different frame work, Oh.... And it’s Yellow. Lol

I do have concerns with the cartridge valve system, and even with the small sample size of GJ I have fielded no less than 10 emails/pm’s regarding missed strokes and poor performance, both are by products of Air entering the valve system. The Oring/shell on the Main Ram is a blatant attempt for HF to limit the longevity of the jack, Why go to extremes to market it as a professional jack and then skimp (pennies) on the Main Ram seal.. Silly.

The positive... it has a good warranty and HF’s are readily available in most big cities, Every person who has contacted me has been instructed to utilize that warranty versus try and fix the problem. The issue with the cartridge valves is that not only do you have to make sure the tiny balls are seating, you have to deal with sealing both ends of the cartridge itself.

When I’m asked about my opinion of the jack, I’m going to be honest based off my experience of the individual components. I don’t care about the stickers/color scheme etc, that’s all marketing fluff. My dislike for the internals obviously doesn’t means the jack isn’t capable of lifting a load safely and the as ive already stated... the 3 year warranty is marketable. I say that because most valve issues show there weakness early on, versus down the road as long as the oil is kept clean of contaminates.

 

[Wamsutta]

Hiball: Do you know if the FJ300 hydraulic unit would drop right into the Daytona's frame?

 

[Hiball]

Hiball: Do you know if the FJ300 hydraulic unit would drop right into the Daytona's frame?

I’d say it’s extremely plausible that it is a direct replacement at the block, it’s possible that there could be some length issues if the lift linkage is different if the max/min height is different between the models.

Is it a worthwhile venture? Probably not, at best your getting a Ucup on the Main Ram (as they advertise), possibly better rod finish/cylinder wall and any differences in steel thickness/quality. The 2 valve caps indicate both use cartridge valve systems, and I’m fairly certain there magnet system consists of two disks randomly stuck on the outer cylinder wall in hopes to catch any metal fragments.

 

[Wamsutta]

I’d say it’s extremely plausible that it is a direct replacement at the block, it’s possible that there could be some length issues if the lift linkage is different if the max/min height is different between the models.

Is it a worthwhile venture? Probably not, at best your getting a Ucup on the Main Ram (as they advertise), possibly better rod finish/cylinder wall and any differences in steel thickness/quality. The 2 valve caps indicate both use cartridge valve systems, and I’m fairly certain there magnet system consists of two disks randomly stuck on the outer cylinder wall in hopes to catch any metal fragments.

Do you still think the HF Daytona is a better jack than the NAPA 7916420 ?

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916420

 

[Hiball]

Do you still think the HF Daytona is a better jack than the NAPA 7916420 ?

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916420

6 one way, half a dozen the other... The Napa will have a ball/seat machined into the block, 1 year less warranty, orings on the pumps (not necessarily bad). What flavor of Kool aid do you like?

I'd probably buy the Napa, but it's not a overwhelming winner. I probably save up some money and buy a HW or look at some other manufacturers such as Norco, Compaq, Torin currently has a Professional line also.

 

[WittHay]

Do you still think the HF Daytona is a better jack than the NAPA 7916420 ?

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NLE7916420

I thought that with the 3 year warranty, the Daytona is one of HF better buys.

I have been noticing that tire shops up here, use a lot of Norco low profile 2 ton jacks. One tire place must have had about 8 of them along with the classic Hein-Werner 3 ton jacks

Maybe a alternative to the Daytona

 

[Wamsutta]

6 one way, half a dozen the other... The Napa will have a ball/seat machined into the block, 1 year less warranty, orings on the pumps (not necessarily bad). What flavor of Kool aid do you like?

I'd probably buy the Napa, but it's not a overwhelming winner. I probably save up some money and buy a HW or look at some other manufacturers such as Norco, Compaq, Torin currently has a Professional line also.

My first choice would be a Milwaukee Model 20, but can't fork out the $800 right now.

.

 

[maico]

As SO has always outsourced their jacks and virtually all the sources have gone off shore, where is SO supposed to get them?

For the price they are charging they could have got a production run from one of the European jack makers:

OMCN Italy http://www.omcn.it/en/automotive-car-motor-bike-truck-lifts/

MEGA made in Spain http://mega.es/?sIdioma=en

AC Hydraulic made in Denmark http://www.ac-hydraulic.dk/en/

CIZETA made in Italy http://cizetasrl.com/en/short-range-and-high-lift-short-range-with-end-stroke-valve/

COMPAC made in Denmark http://www.compac.dk/en/

 

[Nineeightyone]

The Daytona jack isn’t anything spectacular, it uses the same hydraulic core unit as the regular 3 ton unit, the only differences are 2 magnets thrown in the reservoir and the pump cylinders utilize Ucups versus Oring/backup and some different frame work, Oh.... And it’s Yellow. Lol

I do have concerns with the cartridge valve system, and even with the small sample size of GJ I have fielded no less than 10 emails/pm’s regarding missed strokes and poor performance, both are by products of Air entering the valve system. The Oring/shell on the Main Ram is a blatant attempt for HF to limit the longevity of the jack, Why go to extremes to market it as a professional jack and then skimp (pennies) on the Main Ram seal.. Silly.

The positive... it has a good warranty and HF’s are readily available in most big cities, Every person who has contacted me has been instructed to utilize that warranty versus try and fix the problem. The issue with the cartridge valves is that not only do you have to make sure the tiny balls are seating, you have to deal with sealing both ends of the cartridge itself.

When I’m asked about my opinion of the jack, I’m going to be honest based off my experience of the individual components. I don’t care about the stickers/color scheme etc, that’s all marketing fluff. My dislike for the internals obviously doesn’t means the jack isn’t capable of lifting a load safely and the as ive already stated... the 3 year warranty is marketable. I say that because most valve issues show there weakness early on, versus down the road as long as the oil is kept clean of contaminates.

Thanks for the information! I know very little about jacks, so while not all of that makes sense to me, it gives me enough information to know that if I'm gonna buy a second jack, I may as well buy a second of what I have for < $100 at the HF roughly a mile from home, and keep the rest of the money for more projects. I was admittedly drawn in by the marketing of a "professional-grade" jack for a price in my price range, but I guess the proof is in the pudding, right?

 

[bubinga]

Well, it was just delivered a little bit ago. The box and packing seems apropos for a 112lb jack. looks like it survived the trip rather well.

More pics and thoughts to soon follow

Subscribed to bring back thread.
Wow, 1231 post's

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[Nineeightyone]

Welp, there's a $20 off coupon, and I've been eying the long reach, low profile Daytona for quite a while. I plan to use the cost savings of the coupon to offset the cost of the 3 year warranty, and since I have another, I've got options if one ceases to function.

I'll report back with initial thoughts from someone with no technical knowledge. It's a shame they don't offer the low profile long reach Pittsburgh jack anymore, I love my Pittsburgh low profile jack.

 

[Demo85]

Fresh %20 coupons are out for Columbus Day, thinking of getting the yellow daytona because I need something low profile to pick up my WRX, my 20 year old craftsman jack is a bit to tall. I know it's not perfect but for the 160 I can get it for I don't think anything else will be better.

 

[cool_as_crap]

Fresh %20 coupons are out for Columbus Day, thinking of getting the yellow daytona because I need something low profile to pick up my WRX, my 20 year old craftsman jack is a bit to tall. I know it's not perfect but for the 160 I can get it for I don't think anything else will be better.

It is a great jack, I went from a craftsman as well that was too tall for my car and had to drive up on 2x4s first, but this jack works perfectly. Sadly I don't get much use out of mine since I drive an EVO.

But considering how often you have to work on a WRX you'll love it!

 

[General Geoff]

Fresh %20 coupons are out for Columbus Day, thinking of getting the yellow daytona because I need something low profile to pick up my WRX, my 20 year old craftsman jack is a bit to tall. I know it's not perfect but for the 160 I can get it for I don't think anything else will be better.

Please read the fine print on the 20% off coupon, they typically exclude floor jacks.

Even at $180 though, it's a great deal on a great jack. Mine's been holding up perfectly well.

 

[Hiball]

If you want to access the case file in it's entirety, including Harbor Freight's answer and the judge's rulings on the injunctions - Pacer is free to sign up (Federal court records access).

https://www.pacer.gov/

Bump for anyone will has a Pacer account and willing to grab some pdf’s of HF response to the judge showing that there jacks are made in the same plant as the Snap On models.

Thanks in advance.

If anyone is interest in reading the reasoning behind the judge’s decision not to issue a PI against HF, Here is a PDF. Note... it references this vary thread with specific pages/posts.

 

[equitiesguy]

I don't know why you don't have a credit card, and can't access it yourself. The case file is on my attachment for anyone else who wants to bother with reading the semi-redacted and sealed public answer.

I'm only posting the one page that I mentioned, of the 39 page answer, unless I have reason to do otherwise --- specifically since it became clear to me from the other thread that you don't understand the difference between a preliminary injunction ruling versus a summary judgment dismissal of claims. I don't have the time or patience to dive into this in detail and explain legal process or procedure.

Also understand that this was Harbor Freight's allegation in their answer, but I give it a fair amount of credibility since I've read it elsewhere and ultimately the case was dismissed by mutual agreement.

I'm also going to add that I personally love Snap-on, their tools, and own tens of thousands of dollars in their tools. I'm against them making products in China like this jack, or their CT761 when you can buy a Chinese made equal (such as this Harbor Freight Jack) for 1/3 to 1/4 of the price.

 

[Hiball]

I don't know why you don't have a credit card, and can't access it yourself.

I'm only posting the one page that I mentioned, of the 39 page answer, unless I have reason to do otherwise --- specifically since you don't understand the difference between a preliminary injunction ruling versus a summary judgment dismissal of claims. I don't have the time or patience to dive into this in detail and explain legal process or procedure.

Also understand that this was Harbor Freight's allegation in their answer, but I give it a fair amount of credibility since I've read it elsewhere and ultimately the case was dismissed by mutual agreement.

Wow... My unwillingness to enter my CC to see court documents for a one time deal is somehow a indication that I don’t have a credit card. It’s just not that important, I was just mildly interested and didn’t realize it was gonna cause you so much stress, for the sake of your health please refrain from further comments. If we are being honest I didn’t ask for you personally respond to this thread, I suspect there are members who already have access to Pacer and willing post up some pages without soooooo..... muchhhhbb Drama. Lol

I’m not a Legal expert, but I expect the Judges denial of the PI and his detailed reasoning why couldn’t have been good for SO, which undoubtably led to both parties agreeing to dimiss the case.

 

[equitiesguy]

Wow... My unwillingness to enter my CC to see court documents for a one time deal is somehow a indication that I don’t have a credit card. It’s just not that important, I was just mildly interested and didn’t realize it was gonna cause you so much stress, for the sake of your health please refrain from further comments. If we are being honest I didn’t ask for you personally respond to this thread, I suspect there are members who already have access to Pacer and willing post up some pages without soooooo..... muchhhhbb Drama. Lol

I’m not a Legal expert, but I expect the Judges denial of the PI and his detailed reasoning why couldn’t have been good for SO, which undoubtably led to both parties agreeing to dimiss the case.

I noticed you didn't acknowledge the key point of them coming from the same factory. Thanks for deliberately wasting my time. My opinion of you is correct.

 

[Hiball]

I noticed you didn't acknowledge the key point of them coming from the same factory. Thanks for deliberately wasting my time. My opinion of you is correct.

Really... by your own admissions it’s HF “allegation”, there was No proof offered in your snap shot. It’s completely feasible that the jacks are coming out of the same factory, this doesn’t mean that both companies request the same specs, then again maybe they are. It’s not a New theme for SO to rebrand other products and upcharge to fit there business model.

Opinions are like.....

Thanks from the bottom of my keyboard for sharing your vast Pacer skills.... we all appreciate it and hope you have a great evening.

Sigh.

If it really bothers you, there is a “ignore member option”