drivesitfar
Well-known member
MR: pics are working great now and hard to believe that old brazed mess of a Reed 1c is now that gorgeous green one. VERY WELL DONE!!
The VISES of Garage Journal
- Thread starter mjozefow
- Start date
mlisac
Well-known member
Looking on ebay, I came across this small vise. It's not mine, but is similar to an Athol I have. Any idea what kind this one is? It only says 02 Made in USA.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MA...:btsAAOSwhC1alHo3:sc:USPSPriority!64108!US!-1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MA...:btsAAOSwhC1alHo3:sc:USPSPriority!64108!US!-1
Attachments
hemifalcon
Well-known member
Wilton C1 I picked up.. probably a keeper.. fully intact-nice jaws, dust cap too!!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
mlisac
Well-known member
Very nice!
dutchgray
Well-known member
Some new ones for me
View media item 82323View media item 823242" Vono, doesn't say where its made, but is got a registered design No and a patent No so its probably quite old and British, tension spring on the spindle is broken. Expensive for its weight at £28.
View media item 82322The £30 Columbian 603, bit crusty but otherwise in great order, just a little handle bend.
View media item 82321Finaly got a Swindens, cost enough at £265 but its a nice example, jaws are good, got its spanner, 4" main and a fat 2 1/2" pipe jaws.
View media item 82323View media item 823242" Vono, doesn't say where its made, but is got a registered design No and a patent No so its probably quite old and British, tension spring on the spindle is broken. Expensive for its weight at £28.
View media item 82322The £30 Columbian 603, bit crusty but otherwise in great order, just a little handle bend.
View media item 82321Finaly got a Swindens, cost enough at £265 but its a nice example, jaws are good, got its spanner, 4" main and a fat 2 1/2" pipe jaws.
gman007
Well-known member
Dutch Nice haul! That Swinden's for sure is pricey (~USD 375 for 4" vise at 48 lb). Is it fairly rare?
gman007
Well-known member
Wilton C1 I picked up.. probably a keeper.. fully intact-nice jaws, dust cap too!!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hemi It is very nice. I have a question though, as it is hard to tell from the photo, does it have the the pipe jaws?
dutchgray
Well-known member
They are not that common, but they still make them, new ones are a lot, but you have to contact them for a price. English made, I think they are the last English made bench vice.
I have seen effectively nos examples from military surplus sell for over double, there was a fairly local 8" version that sold at £375 BIN last month, I was tempted but it was more than I had available as I had bought that rotating Parker. I wanted a 4" or a 6" anyway as I wanted one to use not just for the collection. You can get lucky and get them cheap, I missed one at £30 last year and I believe Fretters got his cheap, but not every purchase has to be a great deal, sometimes just paying the money and getting what you wanted is fine.
There is usually only a couple listed on eBay at any one time.
dutchgray
Well-known member
Its very nicely made, I could see that a normal sized version would be a very nice vice to use.
GETRIDAONE
Well-known member
Could be a Bonney
Attachments
mlisac
Well-known member
Fretters
Well-known member
Nice vices Dutch'. 
Been tempted by those Vono's myself too. Missed out on one a while ago, unfortunately.
Been tempted by those Vono's myself too. Missed out on one a while ago, unfortunately.Outlawmws
Well-known member
Dutch and Fret, what time frame were those Vono's made? I ask as that has a lot of similarities to the Colton patent vise's.
Nice scores Dutch!
MR: thanks for fixing the pics. That was quit the transformation!
Nice scores Dutch!
MR: thanks for fixing the pics. That was quit the transformation!
MayerMR
Well-known member
Welp, for any of you that are interested, I put together a build thread for that Reed 1C that you can find here:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388526
Thanks again for all the nice comments gents.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388526
Thanks again for all the nice comments gents.
bagged89s10
Well-known member
Broken collar = scrap... Ill PM you an address to have such scrap properly taken care of!
Haha
bagged89s10
Well-known member
Just grabbed this starrett 324-1/2 for $80
Looks to be in fantastic shape with a lot of original paint left. I'd use it just as it sits. Great deal.
bagged89s10
Well-known member
The picture is deceiving. Has a lot of rust on the unpainted surfaces. I can probably clean it up. I would like to repaint it eventually.
MayerMR
Well-known member
Disassemble, dip all pieces in Evaporust over night, rinse with water, dry, then paste wax all surfaces. Allow was to dry and then buff with clean, lint free rag.
Evaporust with not harm the painted surfaces.
Good luck and nice find!
Recently I obtained a second Odin Universal Corporation Vise. This vise is an entirely new design then what is typically seen for these vices shown in prior posts in this thread. The vise below can be dissembled to sit horizontal on a drill press. If not dissembled the vise rotates so that perhaps one could drill at a 45 degree angle for example. Odin made vises between the 1920s-1950s in Chicago. The handle parts are just like the other Odin vises typically seen and may even be interchangeable. The vise is marked Odin Universal Corp Chicago Ill US Alloy Steel Forging. The vise weighs 80lbs.
Odin is known to have advertised in the General Tool Co. catalog of 1939.
Would anyone have an advertisement for this Odin vise?
Odin is known to have advertised in the General Tool Co. catalog of 1939.
Would anyone have an advertisement for this Odin vise?
Last edited:
va.grouseman
Well-known member
Wazzabie, that is a real piece of craftsmanship.---Both are nice but that second one is a show stopper.---Museum grade.
Here is another Odin vise shown below. It is similar to the type of vise above except for the difference being the method used for the attachments. The vise below has a large tapered set screw while with the vise above the attachments can be removed using a screw driver on the side of the vise. I still use the vise above but I'm going to be more careful with it. I would like to have new jaws made for it so I don't have to use the originals. The vise above had an easy life. I know its history from the beginning. It never was in a commercial setting and it sat on my grandfather's bench.
bagged89s10
Well-known member
va.grouseman
Well-known member
Wazz, who owns the second Odin?
Fretters
Well-known member
Elbow grease, nylon scourer and paraffin or kerosene will do the job without requiring acidic dips or water rinses Bagged'.
The last Odin in the photos above I found online where someone was restoring it. He has since sold it.
eddieK
Well-known member
akasrick
Well-known member
Attachments
Frecklefarm2017
Member
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2018
- Messages
- 15
FMC1959
Well-known member
$100 is good, you are not over paying for it, BUT, you need to check it out in person before committing. Make sure there are no cracks, no welds, and it opens and closes OK
(between the rust and dirt, the slide won't glide like new. You are checking that the slide isn't beat on or malformed, preventing smooth operation once cleaned up)
Also check how deep the rust is. Surface rust is no problem, but deep pitted corrosion that does not clean up with wire wheel & sanding is not a good sign.
Otherwise, you would have a fine purchase there, good luck.
Outlawmws
Well-known member
You should be! that turned out nice!
akasrick
Well-known member
davethorik
Well-known member
Interesting vise.
Any more pics, specifically side facing away from camera? how does one go about rotating it...does it have a hand crank of some type (which I doubt) or does it just have a clamp and is manually rotated? how far can it rotate? Last question, is handle removable or permanently attached?
It looks like a basic milling vise bolted to a right angle rotary attachment, the slots it has to allow bolting it down on a machine table with T-slots. the right angle rotary attachment may well have been an optional accessory for the vise.
Milling vises can be used as bench vises, and "vise" versa, but they are both better at the type of work they're intended for. Having no throat depth aside from jaw height would be annoying on a bench vise, but an asset on a milling vise- you want setups as rigid as possible, with support directly under the workpiece.
on a bench vise the base is offset from the jaw opening, support just isn't there- both in terms of leveraging dynamic jaw away from support (vise base), as well as directly, because the slide is narrower than the jaws. Part could easily tilt and bad, bad things could happen, including possible damage to: the shop, machine, cutter, workpiece, vise, and operator.
Bench vises are generally also too tall for use as a milling vise, especially on a smaller machine where work envelope can be less than the size of an average bench vise itself.
bench vises are not as accurately made as a milling vise. You'd want the surface the part sat on in the vise to be parallel to table surface of machine...on a good milling vise, generally .001" out of parallel would be ok for some things, .0005" better, and .0002" to dead parallel would be ideal. You also want jaws as parallel as possible.
On a bench vise, parallelism could be all over the place, especially if used, due to the fact there has to be some degree of clearance for slide to move freely thru vise body. The more the dynamic jaw would be extended would amplify this because of any droop, not to mention could produce a "seesaw" or "jackhammer" effect which is rough on cutters and machine bearings and will leave a poor surface finish on workpiece.
When I first saw that pic, it made me think of a Kurt II milling vise, pic attached. The Kurt II a modern improvement, being fully machined and ground you can set it up with bottom or either side sitting directly on machine table. Kurt vises utilize a quickly removable handle, that is broached to fit on the hex shaped end of the main screw. This is so it will not possibly interfere with machining.
Attachments
Fretters
Well-known member
It's not uncommon to see the leg cut off on a leg vice. Usually done when someone just wants to use it on a bench, which isn't at the same height as the vice.
Can this be restored so that the leg is added back to it? Maybe use a pipe that slips over it and then weld it on. What is the purpose of the leg?
MayerMR
Well-known member
Leg vises are built differently than bench vises. They are meant to be hammered on and take the downward forces exerted on them by the hammering action. The missing leg could likely be replaced but it won't help the value unless one does a *real* good job replicating the replacement. You'll want the leg to be a solid piece of metal rather than a pipe, I believe.
Last edited: