Rest In Peace Dewalt Flexvolt.

[American Locomotive]

Ok and what's wrong with that?? Question - u wanna talk about electic saws stalling, I assume you've never used a CORDED Makita ?? Any GOOD electic saw will either have a clutch or overload protection.. that's what keeps good electrics from burning up like cheap electircs..

No one is talking about corded saws here bud. Answer the question: Why is Milwaukee using an entry level 30cc gas saw, when they state in the video their saw is being compared to a "40cc gas saw". Why are they lying and misleading people? Why are they not comparing their 14 pound $400 saw to 14 pound $400 gas saws?

Oh - and for the premium gas saws - let it sit unused for 2 years - and let's see which one "curb stomps" the other.. haha

If you properly store and run the saw out of gas, it will literally start right up as soon as you add fuel. I once went nearly two years without using my ancient Stihl FS80AV trimmer, added fuel and it started right up. If you deplete that lithium battery until its dead, and then let it sit two years, it's going to be trash.

 

[skunkape1]

I've used $49 corded saws to cut up utility poles.. Milwaukee's cordless will do just fine..

It's too bad that the forest where I make wood doesn't have any SOFTWOOD pine utility poles growing in it. I'm pretty sure your beloved red super tool wouldn't stand a chance buried in some Ash or White Oak, whose diameter is a little bit more than your average utility pole.

 

[kctyphoon]

It's too bad that the forest where I make wood doesn't have any SOFTWOOD pine utility poles growing in it. I'm pretty sure your beloved red super tool wouldn't stand a chance buried in some Ash or White Oak, whose diameter is a little bit more than your average utility pole.

LMAO. I suggest u work on a few more utility poles... Stick to what ya know..

You make wood in a forest?? Good to know..

 

[kctyphoon]

No one is talking about corded saws here bud. Answer the question: Why is Milwaukee using an entry level 30cc gas saw, when they state in the video their saw is being compared to a "40cc gas saw". Why are they lying and misleading people? Why are they not comparing their 14 pound $400 saw to 14 pound $400 gas saws?

If you properly store and run the saw out of gas, it will literally start right up as soon as you add fuel. I once went nearly two years without using my ancient Stihl FS80AV trimmer, added fuel and it started right up. If you deplete that lithium battery until its dead, and then let it sit two years, it's going to be trash.

Lying and misleading??? Pretty sure MILWAUKEE is one of the only companies known to advertise accurate torque calims. As far as the video your referring to - I couldn't tell ya. I think first you need to prove it is in fact everything you've claimed it to be .. so let's go down that list. It's undersized, it has a bad chain, a completely worn out bar, a detuned carb.. Lol what else?? Filled with diesel fuel too?? Lol

And if you'd like to get technical - I don't believe (and I'm not watching every vid posted) anyone claims the saw in the demo IS a 40cc saw - I believe they claim they same or more power to a 40cc saw. . even still - it's a gas chainsaw from the "name" in chainsaws - that's in the demo. Lol.. you want a gas saw of equal WEIGHT to be in the vid?? Lol c'mon man.. stop grasping....

What is SO HARD for you to admit that Milwaukee seems to have made a good cordless chainsaw? Will your life change? Hell freeze over? Lol - gonna call on the mods to lock the thread again simply because you have a different opinion than me, so therefore I can't post about how good Milwaukee is doing??!

Lying and Misleading -?? I believe you guys called Milwaukee's saw an overpriced TURD, yet you're clutching to pipe dreams trying to make excuses for it's performance...

Once you start trying to make the case the gas tools are more dependable after having sat around for years compared to lithium , it's time to admit defeat... And the thing with gas tools are - nobody puts them down and says "I know I'm not gonna use this for 2 or 3 years". They put it away, and the need just doesn't arise..how many cars get parked somewhere and wind up not moving for long periods of time? You think it's that uncommon for a chainsaw??

I know in internet land all you guys pretend to do everything possible and take every precaution known to man like it was a religious ceremony. But I instead live in reality - just like you do, and I just don't pretend otherwise on the forum..

Oh - and "I" am talking about corded electric saws - cause it's relevant to my posts.. if that throws a money wrench in your debate points - that's not my fault. It's a tool forum dude.. we're discussing tools - this thread just happens to be about Milwaukee's new ones..

 

[ItsNemo]

We don't need the thread locked...we need you gone. Everyone else here has given Milwaukee credit where it's due but questioned any suspect claims. You on the other hand can't accept the fact that Milwaukee tools aren't the best in every single case, to the point of absurdity.

 

[kctyphoon]

We don't need the thread locked...we need you gone. Everyone else here has given Milwaukee credit where it's due but questioned any suspect claims. You on the other hand can't accept the fact that Milwaukee tools aren't the best in every single case, to the point of absurdity.

Now - that's just a total lie . we haven't discussed all.of Milwaukee's tools..

 

[WWheeler]

We don't need the thread locked...we need you gone. Everyone else here has given Milwaukee credit where it's due but questioned any suspect claims. You on the other hand can't accept the fact that Milwaukee tools aren't the best in every single case, to the point of absurdity.

 

[kctyphoon]

Milwaukee's new M18 (EIGHTEEN VOLT) tabelsaw.

 

[ItsNemo]

Milwaukee's new M18 (EIGHTEEN VOLT) tabelsaw.

I heard Milwaukee is coming out with an M18 powered hair dryer...it's hotter than any normal 1800 watt plug in hair dryer and can run for 8 hours on a single charge. It's lighter too, the battery beams it's power wirelessly to the blower unit so there's no strain on your arm while you're drying your hair. Best of all, with new SuperDuperRED technology, the blower is strong enough to rip the hairs out of your head.

Can't wait, no way Dewalt could ever come out with something this magical and awesome.

 

[sk farmer]

We don't need the thread locked...we need you gone. Everyone else here has given Milwaukee credit where it's due but questioned any suspect claims. You on the other hand can't accept the fact that Milwaukee tools aren't the best in every single case, to the point of absurdity.

Dont feed the trolls.

If we would all learn to ignore him and quit bumping this thread myabe he would get the hint.

 

[protegeV]

Dont feed the trolls.

If we would all learn to ignore him and quit bumping this thread myabe he would get the hint.

nope, trolls don't work that way. Would be nice though

 

[kctyphoon]

I'm having a pleasant discussion about the advancement of Milwaukee's new tools and their place in the current market. If that's so hurtful to the present audience, I sincerely apologize for any stress you might have inadvertently incurred. I too am appalled by the behavior of said trolls..

In other news, I got a tip that Dewalt was finally going to release a cordless ratchet. That should make some people happy and help to push for more competition in the market area.

 

[kctyphoon]

I heard Milwaukee is coming out with an M18 powered hair dryer...it's hotter than any normal 1800 watt plug in hair dryer and can run for 8 hours on a single charge. It's lighter too, the battery beams it's power wirelessly to the blower unit so there's no strain on your arm while you're drying your hair. Best of all, with new SuperDuperRED technology, the blower is strong enough to rip the hairs out of your head.

Can't wait, no way Dewalt could ever come out with something this magical and awesome.

I bet it's using the new 12.0 battery - and that's why it's generating power comparable to a 15 amp corded hairdryer.

This isn't even a joke - someone broke into a guys company van at work over the weekend.. they took the cordless Milwaukee stuff and left all the Dewalt stuff behind.. the funniest part is it was all Milwaukee M12 stuff that was taken, and the 20v Dewalt stuff survived. They wouldn't even steal it.. lol.. true story..

M12 Rivet gun now in HD.. the Milwaukee section is being reorganized to make room for all the new stuff.. no longer has a dedicated m12 endcap.. now it's a "fuel" endcap.

 

[American Locomotive]

I couldn't tell ya. I think first you need to prove it is in fact everything you've claimed it to be ..

I already posted a picture comparing the saw in the video to Stihl's MS-170. Stihl only has one saw that looks like that, and it's the MS-170.

And if you'd like to get technical - I don't believe (and I'm not watching every vid posted) anyone claims the saw in the demo IS a 40cc saw - I believe they claim they same or more power to a 40cc saw. . even still - it's a gas

So what if it's a "gas saw"? There are plenty of gas saws that are gutless turds. The Stihl MS-170 is Stihl's lowest end, cheapest, weakest, and slowest cutting saw in their entire lineup.

If the Milwaukee saw is so great, they should be comparing it actual 40cc saws - but they aren't - for good reason.

you want a gas saw of equal WEIGHT to be in the vid?? Lol c'mon man.. stop grasping...

Lying and Misleading -?? I believe you guys called Milwaukee's saw an overpriced TURD, yet you're clutching to pipe dreams trying to make excuses for it's performance...

You keep deflecting and not answering mine (and everyone else) questions. You like posting "facts", so let's look at them:

- Milwaukee used a 30cc saw in their video, despite their marketing making tons of bold claims about 40cc saws over and over
- That Milwaukee chainsaw costs 135% more than the Stihl saw they compared it to
- The Milwaukee saw weighs 62% more than the Stihl saw they compared it to

Their comparison is ridiculously lopsided no matter which way you try and spin it. It's only reasonable for them to compare their saw to one of equal cost and weight. Otherwise it's a huge failure right off the bat if their 14 pound heavyweight can barely compete with 8.5 pound entry level gas saws.

Once you start trying to make the case the gas tools are more dependable after having sat around for years compared to lithium , it's time to admit defeat... And the thing with gas tools are - nobody puts them down and says "I know I'm not gonna use this for 2 or 3 years".

Uh, plenty of people do that. I run my snow blower out of gas when I'm done using it, I run my generator out of gas when I'm done using it, and I run all most of my small-engine two stroke stuff out of gas when the season is over.

Proper care of your equipment and you won't have a problem. I can kill lithium batteries by letting them sit discharged on the shelf for two years, likewise I can gum up a carb but letting it sit on the shelf for two years full of fuel.

 

[WhiffySpark]

I'm having a pleasant discussion about the advancement of Milwaukee's new tools and their place in the current market. If that's so hurtful to the present audience, I sincerely apologize for any stress you might have inadvertently incurred. I too am appalled by the behavior of said trolls..

In other news, I got a tip that Dewalt was finally going to release a cordless ratchet. That should make some people happy and help to push for more competition in the market area.

Miluwakees ratchet is a fing joke so no competition there

 

[kctyphoon]

According to Home Depot's listings:

Milwaukee m18 chainsaw weight - 13.9 lbs
Dewalt 60v Flexvolt chainsaw weight - 17.5 lbs
Echo 58v chainsaw - 14.4 lbs

Milwaukee's usage - professional
Dewalt's usage - homeowner
Echo's usage - professional

Milwaukee's warranty - 5yr
Dewalt's warranty - 3yr
Echo's warranty - 5yr consumer/2 yr commercial

Milwaukee's included battery - 12.0 amp hr
Dewalt's included battery - 3.0 amp hr
Echo's included battery - 4.0 amp hr

Milwaukee's chain speed - 12.7 mps
Dewalt's chain speed - 15.24 mps. (The .04 is important)
Echo's chain speed - 22.5 mps

Dewalt's max torque - 3.9 nm
Echo's max torque - 1.72 nm
MILWAUKEE'S MAX TORQUE - 8.0 nm


Dewalt claims up to 70 cuts per charge in 6x6 pressure treated pine
Milwaukee claims up to 150 cuts per charge in 6x6 cedar.
(Clears throat)

 

[American Locomotive]

Once again you deflected and didn't answer the question: Why is Milwaukee comparing a 30cc entry level gas saw to their premium heavyweight saw that weighs 62% more and costs 135% more.

They keep making claims about it being as powerful as a "40cc" saw, so why are they not comparing it to 40cc saws?

 

[kctyphoon]

Once again you deflected and didn't answer the question: Why is Milwaukee comparing a 30cc entry level gas saw to their premium heavyweight saw that weighs 62% more and costs 135% more.

They keep making claims about it being as powerful as a "40cc" saw, so why are they not comparing it to 40cc saws?

Dude - I'm not deflecting anything - I just posted all the specs of the "turd" 18v saw, compared to the 60v "god" of cordless chainsaws - and you ignored it.. I already answered your question..

 

[skunkape1]

LMAO. I suggest u work on a few more utility poles... Stick to what ya know..

You make wood in a forest?? Good to know..

What species of tree are the utility poles you work on? And yes, I make wood in the forest. That's how we say it around here. Got a problem with that?

 

[kctyphoon]

What species of tree are the utility poles you work on? And yes, I make wood in the forest. That's how we say it around here. Got a problem with that?

We have poles going back to 100 years old.. they didn't just cut down ONE tree.. and electric chainsaws have cut every type just fine..

 

[kctyphoon]

Uh, plenty of people do that. I run my snow blower out of gas when I'm done using it, I run my generator out of gas when I'm done using it, and I run all most of my small-engine two stroke stuff out of gas when the season is over.

Proper care of your equipment and you won't have a problem. I can kill lithium batteries by letting them sit discharged on the shelf for two years, likewise I can gum up a carb but letting it sit on the shelf for two years full of fuel.

I'm glad you posted this - cause this is the entire POINT of cordless electric OPE. you DONT NEED to do this anymore.. and for those who don't, or forget, or life gets in the way cause they have more important things to worry about - it doesn't come back to haunt them.. it LITERALLY takes seconds to put a battery on a charger - and it can live there... if not - Lithium will hold a charge for YEARS.. the point - is there is NO MAINTENANCE. For many people the extra cost is worth that convenience. You pull it out - it's gonna work..

 

[skunkape1]

We have poles going back to 100 years old.. they didn't just cut down ONE tree.. and electric chainsaws have cut every type just fine..

That's not what I asked.

 

[kctyphoon]

That's not what I asked.

I don't know how else to tell you that they come from all over.. it's not ONE type.. different companies use different material. Utility poles are not owned by one company.. it also depends on what's available, when you need it. Sandy hit and 8,000 poles were replaced here.. that's just ONE storm. Fuel trucks came from as far as Florida - poles came from WHEREVER anyone had POLES.. chemicals change, practices change, costs change.. there are poles here you can cut up and use for firewood, there are others that might kill you if you smoked up your home with them repeatedly.. ROME wasn't built in a day - you're talking about poles that have been installed since the days of the telegraph and invention of electric light bulbs-- WHERE those things were invented.... there are some so rotted out from age that steel supports are driven into the ground to keep them standing.. there's places where the only way to replace a pole is to carry a new one through people's houses.. I highly doubt you still have lead phone lines by you - these are up and still in service out here..

 

[ItsNemo]

According to Home Depot's listings:

Milwaukee m18 chainsaw weight - 13.9 lbs
Dewalt 60v Flexvolt chainsaw weight - 17.5 lbs
Echo 58v chainsaw - 14.4 lbs

Milwaukee's usage - professional - HA
Dewalt's usage - homeowner - correct target market
Echo's usage - professional - HA

Milwaukee's warranty - 5yr
Dewalt's warranty - 3yr
Echo's warranty - 5yr consumer/2 yr commercial

Milwaukee's included battery - 12.0 amp hr
Dewalt's included battery - 3.0 amp hr - at 54 volts, same total energy at 12ah at 18v.
Echo's included battery - 4.0 amp hr - even more than the Dewalt!

Milwaukee's chain speed - 12.7 mps
Dewalt's chain speed - 15.24 mps. (The .04 is important) - yes it makes it even faster than the Milwaukee
Echo's chain speed - 22.5 mps

Dewalt's max torque - 3.9 nm
Echo's max torque - 1.72 nm
MILWAUKEE'S MAX TORQUE - 8.0 nm - at what speed?


Dewalt claims up to 70 cuts per charge in 6x6 pressure treated pine
Milwaukee claims up to 150 cuts per charge in 6x6 cedar. PT Pine is tougher than cedar by a long shot.
(Clears throat)

Fixed it for you.

 

[kctyphoon]

Fixed it for you.

I'd hate to point out the obvious - buy you realize we could say the same for the other two - and there ain't much room in those numbers.. you guys took issue with the weight, and even with the smaller battery the dewalt is much heavier.

 

[WWheeler]

DEWALT DCCS690H1 40V XR Brushless Chainsaw: Weight :13.2 lbs

Probably a more apropos comparison

 

[kctyphoon]

DEWALT DCCS690H1 40V XR Brushless Chainsaw: Weight :13.2 lbs

Probably a more apropos comparison

Post up the specs for the 20v then if you want a heads up comparison.. not just the weight.. I believe I'm already giving a lot of leeway with MY picking the highest Dewalt model they make to compare with FIRST cordless chainsaw Milwaukee has ever made..

The lower voltage choice was called inefficient and a turd - but it stacks up to Dewalt's 60v like nobody thought it would...


The 20v weight is 12.7 lbs, chain speed is 7.7 mps, and max torque is 0.2 nm.. ( at what speed???!!)
1 more pound ( just in the battery) gets you ALOT more on the red model..

 

[WWheeler]

Post up the specs for the 20v then if you want a heads up comparison.. not just the weight.. I believe I'm already giving a lot of leeway with MY picking the highest Dewalt model they make to compare with FIRST cordless chainsaw Milwaukee has ever made..

The lower voltage choice was called inefficient and a turd - but it stacks up to Dewalt's 60v like nobody thought it would...


The 20v weight is 12.7 lbs, chain speed is 7.7 mps, and max torque is 0.2 nm.. ( at what speed???!!)
1 more pound ( just in the battery) gets you ALOT more on the red model..

Not sure where you get that info, but the 20V comes with a 12" bar and is only 8.8 lb. It's got 4.5 stars out of 5 at Amazon with over 200 reviews (that's some 'inefficient' 'turd' huh?). The bare tool can be had for $120. Some comparison there. That's about like comparing the M18 to Stihl's weakest homeowner-class gas saw with a beat chain & bar. Sheezus.

 

[ItsNemo]

I'd hate to point out the obvious - buy you realize we could say the same for the other two - and there ain't much room in those numbers.. you guys took issue with the weight, and even with the smaller battery the dewalt is much heavier.

Can you give but one criticism of Milwaukee and one compliment of Dewalt?

 

[kctyphoon]

Not sure where you get that info, but the 20V comes with a 12" bar and is only 8.8 lb. It's got 4.5 stars out of 5 at Amazon with over 200 reviews (that's some 'inefficient' 'turd' huh?). The bare tool can be had for $120. Some comparison there. That's about like comparing the M18 to Stihl's weakest homeowner-class gas saw with a beat chain & bar. Sheezus.

I'm getting all the info from Home Depot's listing for every saw.

 

[WWheeler]

I'm getting all the info from Home Depot's listing for every saw.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-...y-and-Charger-Not-Included-DCCS620B/303654387

Compact, lightweight design (9 lbs. with battery) for maximum user control

None of your posts in this thread you started seem to help your case. You're just digging. I'm thinking Milwaukeee ought to rethink whatever they were paying you to shill for them.

 

[kctyphoon]

Can you give but one criticism of Milwaukee and one compliment of Dewalt?

Umm. Yea.. Milwaukee's nail guns are not the best.. reviews are hit and miss and the Ryobi' get recommended more. Their nitrogen filled cylinder system produces a lot of kick, I'll assume which adds to the problem over an air drawn cylinder or flywheel firing system.

Dewalt stuff is easy to find on the floor due to its bright color after you throw it.....

 

[kctyphoon]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-...y-and-Charger-Not-Included-DCCS620B/303654387



None of your posts in this thread you started seem to help your case. You're just digging. I'm thinking Milwaukeee ought to rethink whatever they were paying you to shill for them.

You're looking at the bare tool description - probablying giving the weight with a 1.5amp hour battery used. Look at the KIT that comes with a 5.0 as the only option.. I could drop a 1.5 in the Milwaukee and knock serious weight off compared to a 12.0.. and still - EVEN WITH - the 5.0 Dewalt kit - your still judging with a battery more than twice as big in the Milwaukee. Play fair if you're gonna post - I haven't manipulated any specs I posted. They all came from the same site. I'm posting KIT VS KIT - and I'm STILL absorbing a handicap with the battery size difference - so play fair..

 

[Yarpo]

I believe I'm already giving a lot of leeway with MY picking the highest Dewalt model they make to compare with FIRST cordless chainsaw Milwaukee has ever made..

Wait, so now we're picking select dewalt models but the ONLY one we can compare to is Milwaukees first cordless chainsaw? For the front runners looking to bury the competition, you'd think they'd have been ahead of the curve here

I'm just confused, this whole thread is a mess, but you don't ACTUALLY believe Milwaukee shits on dewalt THAT hard, do you?

 

[PelicanPines]

Dewalt stuff is easy to find on the floor due to its bright color after you throw it.....

Milwaukee tools are hard to find if used incorrectly...

They blend in with the blood on the floor.

 

[WWheeler]

If anyone were to throw any of my Dewalts there will be blood on the floor.

 

[thesilverone]

this thread and the OP have ran beyond their courses

 

[Hilltopmasonry]

this thread and the OP have ran beyond their courses

No kidding


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[kctyphoon]

Wait, so now we're picking select dewalt models but the ONLY one we can compare to is Milwaukees first cordless chainsaw? For the front runners looking to bury the competition, you'd think they'd have been ahead of the curve here

I'm just confused, this whole thread is a mess, but you don't ACTUALLY believe Milwaukee shits on dewalt THAT hard, do you?

No, we're NOT picking select Dewalt models.. I just pointed out that the weight of the description for a bare tool Dewalt 20v says "weight with battery", and that likely means Dewalt's lightest battery, because if you compare it with the KIT that comes with a 5.0, the weight is advertised higher with a 5.0. Drop in Dewalt's 12.0 to make the battery capacity even, and the weight will go up further.. the 40v saw looks to be discontinued since it's not even on Dewalt's site anymore. If you look, I compared an 18v saw with Dewalt's TOP 60v model to compare specs to since the premise of the thread was m18 fuel vs flexvolt.

I've owned ALOT of cordless stuff, from different brands.. I've had quite a few comparable 20v Dewalt and m18 stuff to use side by side.. what a lot of people don't understand is that "Brushless" doesnt mean "stronger then the other guys brushed stuff".. it only describes what technology is being utilized to make the tools function. You need to compare torque specs - not just a marketing label.
Voltage is the same thing.. higher voltage claims do not automatically mean "stronger than lower voltage anymore". M18 fuel stuff EMBARRASSES the older M28 line.. 12v fuel stuff outperforms some 18v models. If you think you're gonna buy a cheaper 80v chainsaw that will outperform a GOOD lower voltage competitor, you're mistaken.

 

[American Locomotive]

Dude - I'm not deflecting anything - I just posted all the specs of the "turd" 18v saw, compared to the 60v "god" of cordless chainsaws - and you ignored it.. I already answered your question..

Yes you are deflecting. You still have not answered my question. I ignored your remark about the DeWalt flexvolt saw, because it's irrelevant to the topic we were discussing. What you're doing is "arguing the strawman". You're arguing points we're not even talking about to try and make the Milwaukee seem better.

Stick to the topic. That topic, since you seem to have forgotten already, is why is Milwaukee comparing their $400, 14 pound saw to a $170, 8.5 pound saw, 30cc entry level saw? Why does all their marketing guff keep mentioning "40cc saws", and then they compare it to a cheapo 30cc homeowner saw?

In your own post you say Milwaukee targets this saw at the "professional", except this thing is a complete joke to any professional. No professional is going to want to use a saw that weighs 2 pounds more than a Stihl MS-271 Farm Boss, but only has the power of Stihl's entry level homeowner saw.

P.S. The DeWalt 60v flexvolt chainsaw only weighs 12.2 pounds with the battery. The Home Depot listing is either the weight of the whole box, or is just wrong.