The VISES of Garage Journal

[txlonghorn1989]

Real nice looking Reed Rusty! Great find! I'd probably pay that all day long for that 6" Reed.

 

[royce]

Check it out.

Very nice

Royce

 

[dutchgray]

Found a York on eBay that is miss measured I think.---A number 80 with 2 1/2'' jaws.---I think that is wrong.


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...+Jaws+model+80,+Original+Red,+Bench+&_sacat=0

Should be 80mm (3 1/8"), York's are metric.

 

[oneoldboot]

xctrekkerI use electrolysis on my projects. I don't have access to, or the space for a sandblaster. I watched YouTube videos and read about it online. I started with a bucket and now have an 18 gallon tote container. I have been amazed how well it works.

To use this method, you must be patient. Most of the vises I have done takes 3-5 days in the "tank." I usually take out the object one a day and wipe it with a rag or brush, rinse and back in. I still use a wire wheel on the drill and use a wire on the dremmel for tight spots. I also do this (drill wheel ) before starting the electrolysis.

I put wire brushes on my bench grinder to use on lead screw & etc. It is superior to a drill for cleaning up those parts.

If you give electrolysis a try, I recommend using an old battery charger or one that can be switched to 'manual.' The automatic ones don't seem to work, as they shut off. If you have everything set up properly, you will know in <2 minutes if the charger will work. Theread will be bubbling similar to pouring a sprite into a glass, but not quite that dramatic. In my neck of the woods a working used charger is $8-15 at yard sales or flea markets.

 

[Shiftless]

Here is a link to the big Electrolysis discussion thread if you want to read all that members have had to say about it over the years. (Almost 700 entries)

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237752&highlight=Electrolysis&page=35

 

[FMC1959]

View media item 84283View media item 84284View media item 84285View media item 84286Picked up this Record No84p at the car boot sale today, cost £22 which really isn't much. 4 1/2" vice, plain screw version. It's in pretty good order but I don't think I have ever seen one where the spindle has worn away so much of the dynamic casting, its at least a 1/4" deep hole, there is 3/8" of slop in the dynamic when it is loose as it dosent have a spring to keep tension on. The fact that it is almost completely devoid of oil and the underside has a think layer of grinding dust all over it, might have something to do with the wear, the rest of it is pretty tight though and it hasn't seen a hammer much.

Nice find for the price you paid. Stupid me, about a month ago there was one for sale about 30 minutes from me, a 35 ("S" for quick release?), for about $40, and I sat on my thumbs.

Record mechanic vises are a dime a dozen around my parts, but those engineering vises are rare...might be the first one I saw for sale locally IIRC.

Again, stupid me

FYI Emissions might still be an issue in Kalifornia. it has to be older than 1973 IIR... (Stupid law)

He should be Ok then, his is a 1972 and my guess would be Texas is more lenient than Cali, since Cali has the toughest emissions control in the country......or did I misunderstand what Outlaw was saying?

 

[dutchgray]

Nice find for the price you paid. Stupid me, about a month ago there was one for sale about 30 minutes from me, a 35 ("S" for quick release?), for about $40, and I sat on my thumbs.

Record mechanic vises are a dime a dozen around my parts, but those engineering vises are rare...might be the first one I saw for sale locally IIRC.

Again, stupid me

I believe "S" means it came with a swivel base, which would be really rare over here, less so your side of the Atlantic, 35 is the rarest size also. $40 would have been a good price.
I will probably sell this one.

 

[lowdowndodge]

He has gone into hibernation at my place....
she did good that day she is my vise buyer at auctions as well....

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

I just wanted to see if anyone has any info on Hollands vises? I have the opportunity to look at a number 46. The seller doesnt have much info. I know its a 6" jaw with a swivel base. Does anyone know approximately how much it weighs? Or the rough dimensions?

Here is the only picture I have.

 

[trijeff]

boy, that Hollands 46 is a rare bird, guessing around a 9 or 10 inch opening and somewhere between 150-180lbs.

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[Mr. Wonderful]

boy, that Hollands 46 is a rare bird, guessing around a 9 or 10 inch opening and somewhere between 150-180lbs.

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What would you say is a good price? I think he wants $275.

 

[trijeff]

if no breaks or welds/repairs, certainly not a you **** price but also nowhere near what you would pay retail (if it were still available for retail). I don't think I'm being too dramatic when I say you most likely will not have the chance to buy that model vise ever again in your life ... with that said, if you have a need and space for that beast and can afford it, I personally wouldn't hesitate for a second.

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[drivesitfar]

Mr W: Holland’s are awesome vises. Not sure if pin is missing or if pounded in on the swivel jaw but if it’s missing it’s abpretty easy fix. If that was close to me I’d probably not be posting it here and buying it if no welds, cracks and the swivel pin missing for the $275. Good luck

 

[jessesandy]

Just got this 4" vise for $15.
Didn't notice it was broken until I got it home.





As it is, I can force the beam and make it move into position. If I work at it (use heat to expand jaw) should be able to get it out.
Then clean/prep/assemble and try to get a braze to flow back into the joint.

That's my plan so far.
Anyone have a good plan ?
Thanks

 

[chrisnazzy]

Drives:

I don't think that one is a swivel jaw. Initially I thought it was too but when I blew the pic up there is no swivel pin hole and it looks like the static jaw just has a ridge in the casting around the area where the swiveling static jaw would normally separate from the body of the vise. Maybe I'm wrong though....dunno.

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[Mr. Wonderful]

Ya I thought it was a swivel jaw at first too. Im waiting to hear what other vises he has. I will be making an offer when he gets back to me. I really wanted to hold out for a big Wilton but this might be the ticket for me. I just didnt know where the Holllands fell in the quallity range???

 

[Steevo]

My brother-in-law gave me a Columbian 604-1/2 vise that he got cheap at an auction recently.
I dismantled it and thoroughly cleaned and bead blasted the parts.
It was missing the collar on the lead screw that backs the dynamic jaw out, so I made a new one.
Unfortunately, the draw nut, or “lead screw nut” is stripped out.
So, I am seeking a “Columbian 40” nut to salvage this otherwise nice 604-1/2.

If you have a serviceable lead screw nut for a 40 series Columbian vise that you’d sell, please contact me via either PM or email.
If that doesn’t work out, I may have a lot of good 604-1/2 parts for sale.

Thanks, Steevo

 

[akasrick]

I just wanted to see if anyone has any info on Hollands vises? I have the opportunity to look at a number 46. The seller doesnt have much info. I know its a 6" jaw with a swivel base. Does anyone know approximately how much it weighs? Or the rough dimensions?

Here is the only picture I have.

Clicking on FMC's link to the spreadsheet can bring you to this post.

Spreadsheet is being maintained by a few of this forums' own.


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2814708&postcount=6944

hth

akasrick

 

[va.grouseman]

Chrisn the 40 series Hollands are swivel jaws.---The 20 series Hollands are plain swivel base vises.---I have a #28, 327 lb.---It's just a plain vise.---That one is a swivel jaw, I'm not sure where the pin is, if it's there and sawed off flush and covered with paint, or filled with weld, but it at least was a swivel jaw.


Here's a pic of a #48.---It is a real monster.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=375056&d=1412177029

 

[va.grouseman]

Mr. Wonderful, if you don't buy it now, you will never get a second chance to own one like it again.---And if you pass on it, someone else is going to ****** it on first bounce.---And you can rig up one of these boot contraptions that kicks you in the but as you pull the rope.---You are going to need it.---That's a rare bird.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Clicking on FMC's link to the spreadsheet can bring you to this post.

Spreadsheet is being maintained by a few of this forums' own.


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2814708&postcount=6944

hth

akasrick

That link is just to a picture. There is no spread sheet?

 

[va.grouseman]

Steevo, that is much too nice of a Columbian to part out.---You might check Oldtoolnut59 on eBay, he has an eBay store and sells a lot of vise parts among other things.---I've bought several vise parts from him for different brand vises.---He parts out a lot of vises.---And you might touch base with KMScott, the man can make anything or repair anything that you can dream up.---Give him a PM.---I wouldn't even think of parting out that vise if it were mine, but that's just me.


By the way, did you take some kind of badge off the side of it?

 

[akasrick]

(quote FMC1959's sig ) GARAGE JOURNAL Vise Info Spreadsheet - Specs & Brochures
[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sHFRfY_DFXMz6bFeeYI7UKRpUd3aheAE86KBQRBGb9s/edit?usp=sharing[/url]
Anyone having new info, corrections or pics they would like added, please contact Kevin (KMScott) or Mike (Zoomieport)(/quote FMC1959's sig}

akasrick

 

[chrisnazzy]

Chrisn the 40 series Hollands are swivel jaws.---The 20 series Hollands are plain swivel base vises.---I have a #28, 327 lb.---It's just a plain vise.---That one is a swivel jaw, I'm not sure where the pin is, if it's there and sawed off flush and covered with paint, or filled with weld, but it at least was a swivel jaw.


Here's a pic of a #48.---It is a real monster.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=375056&d=1412177029

Va:

I thought the numbers didn't make sense with what I was seeing but now that you mention being painted over that may explain it. I knew the 1x Hollands were stationary and the 2x were swivel base. Only makes sense the 4x series would be swivel jaw.

BTW, what was the affiliation w/ Reed on these Hollands. Did Reed actually make them for Hollands? Obviously there's some connection as they look nearly identical.

Mr.W:

hopefully my post hasn't given you pause on picking up this big Hollands vise. If its free of any cracks or repairs it is well worth owning as the others have said too.

If this helps you feel any better about the price or purchase I worked a deal and picked up a Reed 406 (6" swivel jaw, 164lbs) for anotherGJ member. It was out of my price range at the time but he was glad to buy it for $300. Here is an "as found" pic and an "after" pic.



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[454ragtop]

Just got this 4" vise for $15.
Didn't notice it was broken until I got it home.





As it is, I can force the beam and make it move into position. If I work at it (use heat to expand jaw) should be able to get it out.
Then clean/prep/assemble and try to get a braze to flow back into the joint.

That's my plan so far.
Anyone have a good plan ?
Thanks

I'd recommend writing that one off, if the swivel base is intact, can probably get your money back selling that. That piece broken out of the jaw casting where the bar goes in is the kiss of death, common failure point on that type of vise. Might be the pic, but it looks like the screw is bent as well. You can try brazing it to get the experience if you want, but that vise is never going to be right, or strong enough for even moderate work. It's a fairly cheap low grade exposed screw vise to start with, should be able to find another, not broken, for less than $20., at least that's the case around here.

 

[KMScott]

That link is just to a picture. There is no spread sheet?

You got the Holland 46 right? If not jump in your vehicle and go get it. Hollands are very nice vises, close to the top of the vise chain of quality vises.

To see the spreadsheet click on the spreadsheet link on the bottom of my note.

 

[Steevo]

By the way, did you take some kind of badge off the side of it?

Yes, it was ex-military and all three main parts had ID plates staked on with twist-rivets.

It also had at least seven coats of paint that required a lot of Strypeez to get it down to where I could bead blast the remainder off. That was what drove me to remove the ID plates, there was just so much brushed-on paint collected under them that I couldn't get it out from under them.

 

[FMC1959]

Chrisn the 40 series Hollands are swivel jaws.---The 20 series Hollands are plain swivel base vises.---I have a #28, 327 lb.---It's just a plain vise.---That one is a swivel jaw, I'm not sure where the pin is, if it's there and sawed off flush and covered with paint, or filled with weld, but it at least was a swivel jaw.


Here's a pic of a #48.---It is a real monster.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=375056&d=1412177029

VA, I remember Demoman saying his Hollands 19 was right around 300 lbs and his 28, like yours, around 327. This to say that a swivel base on a big beast must weigh 40 to 50 lbs on its own. Seeing that swivel jaw vises usually weigh more than their non swivel jaw brothers....that 48 must be in the 350 lb range

 

[TTLLOGIC]

Got another $20 Columbian 504 M2 tonight




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[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Chrissnazzy.

BTW, what was the affiliation w/ Reed on these Hollands. Did Reed actually make them for Hollands? Obviously there's some connection as they look nearly identical.
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I'm not sure just what the correlation between Reed and Hollands is, but you can detect similarities in the two, making them first or second cousin at least.---As matter of fact you can see similarities in several brands.---In style and numbering.---I have a Yost 208 and a Reed 208R that look exactly alike and weigh 291 lbs. each.---Now you know that wasn't serendipitous.

As far as the colorations, Twersty's Tool Archive is the place to find that.---He's got the skinny on all of them.

 

[va.grouseman]

FMC, the posting of the Hollands 48 which is on page 1055, post 21083 in the journal, but is also found in Google under Hollands 48.---In Google posting, the weight is 345 lbs..---KMS has the weight posted as 330 lbs. in his spreadsheet.---Either way, it's a beast. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sHFRfY_DFXMz6bFeeYI7UKRpUd3aheAE86KBQRBGb9s/edit?usp=sharing

 

[akasrick]

Previously posted by Chrissnazzy.

BTW, what was the affiliation w/ Reed on these Hollands. Did Reed actually make them for Hollands? Obviously there's some connection as they look nearly identical.
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I'm not sure just what the correlation between Reed and Hollands is, but you can detect similarities in the two, making them first or second cousin at least.---As matter of fact you can see similarities in several brands.---In style and numbering.---I have a Yost 208 and a Reed 208R that look exactly alike and weigh 291 lbs. each.---Now you know that wasn't serendipitous.

As far as the colorations, Twersty's Tool Archive is the place to find that.---He's got the skinny on all of them.

Maybe this:

Industry shakeout definition
shakeout - an economic condition that results in the elimination of marginally financed participants in an industry; "they glutted the market in order to cause a shakeout of their competitors". economic condition - the condition of the economy.

My 2 cents

akasrick

 

[Climatecreator]

Took a two hour ride out to the boonies in New York....


Picked up these three vises....





All three vises are in perfect working order









Originally was only going for one but he offered all three for $100 so I took it.

Any thoughts on these particular vises since I only wanted the Parker once I found out about it.

Wanted it to replace the broken one on my bench that someone thought would make a nice Arbor press..... The vise didn't agree.


CC

 

[Fordriver6]

Made up a set of nylon soft jaws for my Wilton 9300 tonight. Nothing fancy, just some 3/4" x 3/4" off-white nylon bar stock I picked up from McMaster-Carr.

 

[va.grouseman]

Climate, not a bad haul for a 100 bucks.---Wouldn't be hurting just keep them all.---They all look in good shape.---At any time you wanted, you could probably sell 2 and the one you decided to keep would be free to you.---You could fix 3 different stations and use them all.---2 inside and one outside.---An outside vise is a lifesaver at times.

 

[va.grouseman]

Akasrick, you may have something with the shakeout idea.---You know those fat government contracts can be mighty enticing.

 

[Climatecreator]

Climate, not a bad haul for a 100 bucks.---Wouldn't be hurting just keep them all.---They all look in good shape.---At any time you wanted, you could probably sell 2 and the one you decided to keep would be free to you.---You could fix 3 different stations and use them all.---2 inside and one outside.---An outside vise is a lifesaver at times.

Never thought of an "outside" vise. I would think it would rust up solid in no time. Unless maybe it was coated with something? But then wouldn't it be a dust and dirt magnet?

I'll be keeping them, I'm not sure you can have TOO MANY vises.....


Well maybe.


CC

 

[drivesitfar]

Rusty: Buying a big Reed 206 sounds like a terrific reason for a road trip. WELL DONE!!

ED4: I'm still hoping to find one of those little Rock Islands in the wild. great restoration and great looking vise!!

Ford: great looking nylon jaws!!

Climate: some of the guys put an old car or truck's oil pan over their outside vises and some just spray on Fluid film or other products. personally i'd just put on BLO and if I can't find a big enough oil pan to fit i'd make something out of wood or just use a rubbermaid storage container turned upside down.

 

[va.grouseman]

Climate, I have a #6 Yost mounted on a locust stump, coated with 90 weight rear-end grease, and then covered with a huge plastic potted plant container.---It don't get dusty, or rusty, and the slide operates with one finger effort.---The rust that you see was already on it when I got it, but no more since I oiled it up.---I threaded several 20' joints of stainless steel water pipe in that thing, with 2 acres to spare.---Sure is nice not bumping into stuff and knocking stuff down when swinging long material around.

 

[KMScott]

Nice vise VA. A great working vise to have out in the open.