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[gman007]

Picked up my first real vice today a 4-1/2" Athol 624 1/2 for $45. It is not perfect and has a chunk broken off the back of the dynamic jaw but I plan on using the vice so the damage does not bother me.
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Even with end of the slide missing a chunk, @$45 for a 4.5” Athol one can not go wrong. Also as you stated it is a user vise and the broken off piece should not affect its functionality .

Frankly as VA has several times in the past alluded to, for many folks it is hard to use a vise if it is in too nicer shape. Personally I would still treat this vise with respect and care it still deserves but could without any hesitation use it. On the other hand if this vise was mine and was not damaged most likely it would have end up being restored and become , as VA called it, another “museum” piece sitting on a shelf.

 

[jonshonda]

Nah, honestly I don't buy much. I go on binges then I sell a bunch. Prices when you don't NEED them matter way more. The P22 i WANTED bad, it was by Wisconsin rapids, so probably half way between us, and wasn't on CL. As the quality and rarity goes up it gets harder to sell some but in the end I like to see someone get a tool and use it.

Not saying you buy a lot, but I have honestly bought every cool vice around me in the last 2 years, and only have (4). May I ask how you come across Vises other then CL?

 

[RagTopTA]

found both of these this weekend, neither have marking I can find. one is 1 1/2" the other is 2" jaws.

 

[dkroth]

How much longer until a baby reaches $1000?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/302826985506?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137

 

[gman007]

How much longer until a baby reaches $1000?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/302826985506?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137

Sold for $846

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by dkroth.

How much longer until a baby reaches $1000?
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2, 3 weeks tops.

 

[454ragtop]

found both of these this weekend, neither have marking I can find. one is 1 1/2" the other is 2" jaws.

That's weird, almost the same as the 2 I found last weekend https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7340074#post7340074
Mine are 1" and 1-1/2", versus your 1-1/2" and 2". As I mentioned, I don't usually bother with this type, most I find are broken or real sloppy where the dynamic slides over the static.

 

[rusty65]

How much longer until a baby reaches $1000?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/302826985506?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137

That’s already been done in buy it now format.






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[va.grouseman]

Here's a Bonney I picked up.---I think it's a Bonney, the only place it says it is on the bottom plate which I think is a little odd.

 

[rusty65]

Ive been searching for a dovetailed vise to add to the collection. I finally found one in the forum of a German Leinen model R clamp on vise or Leinen Klemme auf Schraubstock in German. The jaws are 45mm wide or 1 3/4in and the opening is 50mm or 2in. The vise weighs 1.6kg or 3lb 5oz. it’s also 5in from the tip of the lead screw back to the end and a total height from the clamp to the jaws 6in.

It took me some time to find out more information on the companies back ground but I did find some including a old catalog page I believe dates around 1935 time period. I also found a post from a German forum briefly talking about the companies history.

 

[Tp2177]

Did sears have 2 different lines of vises? I figured they would’ve all been craftsman but I finally got around to mounting my grandads old vise and noticed it just said sears on it instead of craftsman. It looks brand new, I am guessing he would’ve bought it in the 50s-60s? Looks a lot like this one but in better shape with no rust or anything on it. I’ll post real pictures when my work bench isn’t so messy lol.



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[454ragtop]

Here's a Bonney I picked up.---I think it's a Bonney, the only place it says it is on the bottom plate which I think is a little odd.

VA, I have that same vise, and like you I noted it only had "Bonney" on the mounting plate. Posted a pic here https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6468480&highlight=Bonney#post6468480

 

[va.grouseman]

Thanks 454, that makes me feel better.---I kind of figured someone threw some random parts together and called it a Bonney.

 

[Outlawmws]

found both of these this weekend, neither have marking I can find. one is 1 1/2" the other is 2" jaws.

That's weird, almost the same as the 2 I found last weekend https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7340074#post7340074
Mine are 1" and 1-1/2", versus your 1-1/2" and 2". As I mentioned, I don't usually bother with this type, most I find are broken or real sloppy where the dynamic slides over the static.

I have 3 one inch versions, so these larger once seem gigantic to me!

 

[Outlawmws]

Did sears have 2 different lines of vises? I figured they would’ve all been craftsman but I finally got around to mounting my grandads old vise and noticed it just said sears on it instead of craftsman. It looks brand new, I am guessing he would’ve bought it in the 50s-60s? Looks a lot like this one but in better shape with no rust or anything on it. I’ll post real pictures when my work bench isn’t so messy lol.

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Sears had MANY different lines of vises, adn quite a number of "brands: Sears, Craftsman Dunlap, companion, and adn also sold several other makers before Craftsman, and probably do so today.

Many of then listed here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149519

 

[Tp2177]

Sears had MANY different lines of vises, adn quite a number of "brands: Sears, Craftsman Dunlap, companion, and adn also sold several other makers before Craftsman, and probably do so today.



Many of then listed here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149519

Thanks I’ll look in there!


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[gman007]

It looks like a 1750 to me. the 1750 is about the size of a normal 400. the 1760 is about the same psychical size as the 450. (abeit) the jaw width.

they look like torch marks to me also. that isn't a big deal. it burned paint. Almost any working vise will have those as some point. I highly doubt they sat there torching the jaws.... if you are buying it for you, 150-200 is a fair price. anything less it cheap. they routinely bring 250-350 in that condition on ebay.

AngryBeaver Man you nailed it on the head! It is a 1750 and is not torched

My friend brought it over today and said if I want it, just to take and examine it and then come up with a price for it. While I have pretty good idea of prices for Wilton bullets, I have no experience with prices for tradesman series and specially whatever is the additional premium for the Snap-On versions.

As for the supposed torch/burn marks that appeared in the original bad photo, it turns out to be simply rust and the effect was just due to bad lighting and a bad photo.

At lunch I had a cursory look and the vise seems to be in fact in very good shape. The one thing that I noticed was the gap between the insert and dynamic jaw but when I checked it, the gap is due to the fact that the insert screws are just loose.

So based on this new info, would you still say $150-$200 is a fair (to the lady) price?


Much appreciate the input

 

[exmaxima1]

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At lunch I had a cursory look and the vise seems to be in fact in very good shape. The one thing that I noticed was the gap between the insert and dynamic jaw but when I checked it, the gap is due to the fact that the insert screws are just loose.

So based on this new info, would you still say $150-$200 is a fair (to the lady) price?

I've never paid more than $100 for a 1750, so I think $150 for the SO version would be more than fair to the lady. Remember to check the jaw inserts carefully for cracks or chips. Unlike the Machinist models, the Tradesman vises use cheaper sintered jaws that are prone to cracking.

 

[junktastic]

This fell into my lap. A friend of mine who also goes to a ton of garage and estate sales stopped by and asked me if I wanted it. He did not want to ship it. I offered him some money, but he said he was clearing stuff out and I could have it. This is going to be my new bench vise. Prentiss 182 1/2, weighs 115 pounds, 5" jaws. My old vise was a 130 pound Hollands, but it did not have removable jaws. I'm going to mill out a set of Delrin and Brass jaws for this one. Could not find out much about it. It's all there. It's just waiting for me to find some time to clean it up and paint it.

 

[dkroth]

So based on this new info, would you still say $150-$200 is a fair (to the lady) price?


Much appreciate the input

Late last fall I sold a 1755 that had been blasted, painted and with new jaws installed for $150 on CL. A year ago I sold a 1750 that was blasted and primed with no jaws for $100.

I'd say you're at the top of the market for a 1750 and will be doing a solid for the seller.

Might not hurt to verify the threads aren't stripped on the dynamic jaw.




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[Negen]

This fell into my lap. A friend of mine who also goes to a ton of garage and estate sales stopped by and asked me if I wanted it. He did not want to ship it. I offered him some money, but he said he was clearing stuff out and I could have it. This is going to be my new bench vise. Prentiss 182 1/2, weighs 115 pounds, 5" jaws. My old vise was a 130 pound Hollands, but it did not have removable jaws. I'm going to mill out a set of Delrin and Brass jaws for this one. Could not find out much about it. It's all there. It's just waiting for me to find some time to clean it up and paint it.

Nice vise I think if a 115 pound vise fell in my lap my baby maker would be broken. Did anything break when it fell?

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[gman007]

exmaxima1 and dkroth
Thanks for the advice.

 

[trijeff]

Thanks for the kudos on the purple 1C fellas. If the date code suggestion earier is correct the this vise is from March 1962. It was owned by PG&E, a California energy utility, they (or subsequent owners) neglected/abused fairly well. Took quite a bit of work, and fit it in at night while I was painting the exterior of our house (in 107 degree weather ... yikes!).

On another note, got my first Wilton todler today ... from Oct 1951, seems to be original paint as it's th same as my Nov 1950 baby. But here's the strange thing, it's got a complete double cast of the logo on one side. Know we've seen quite a few casting errors but they're usually a letter missing or upside down. Anybody else have some double cast, esp the entire set of lettering? Shown in 2nd and 3rd pics.

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[Outlawmws]

That cast in double image is bizarre! its almost like the lettering was set into the mold 2X but how? I can't recall seeing something like that in a casting.

 

[FMC1959]

This was a bit expensive for what it is but they are not common and I have never seen such a nice example.
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Cool looking vise and crazy nice shape, especially if it is from the 50's like you suspect.....nice score

Shift I think I remember your 4C, was that the one with funky welded base?

In all honestly I have never seen a 4C or even 2C, 3C around here. I know My friend's son managed to score a nice 1C few month back and that was again the first one I had seen around here.

I am however drooling over a Yost 34C that is for sale but if I was to spend that kind of money on a vise, I would need to be ready to spend a lot more on a top notch divorce lawyer

I was with a buddy shopping at Banana Republic; he was looking for a jacket. He saw one he liked, but it had no price. The young salesperson he asked said it was $550, to which he responded "$550!, heck, that's not a jacket, that's a down payment for a divorce lawyer"....the young sales lady got a good chuckle.

 

[FMC1959]

Ive been searching for a dovetailed vise to add to the collection. I finally found one in the forum of a German Leinen model R clamp on vise or Leinen Klemme auf Schraubstock in German. The jaws are 45mm wide or 1 3/4in and the opening is 50mm or 2in. The vise weighs 1.6kg or 3lb 5oz. it’s also 5in from the tip of the lead screw back to the end and a total height from the clamp to the jaws 6in.

It took me some time to find out more information on the companies back ground but I did find some including a old catalog page I believe dates around 1935 time period. I also found a post from a German forum briefly talking about the companies history.

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I remember reading somewhere that Leinen's were originally made in Italy, then they moved to Germany. Did you come across any info to substantiate that? Or maybe it was bad info that I read.

 

[Ryan_340]

Just bought this Morgan Chicago 145 vise with a work bench for $50. It has Wilton copper jaw covers on it

 

[rusty65]

I remember reading somewhere that Leinen's were originally made in Italy, then they moved to Germany. Did you come across any info to substantiate that? Or maybe it was bad info that I read.

I believe your source may have that backwards they are now currently made in Italy by a company with the name FZA.


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[va.grouseman]

Trijeff, the double W on your little Wilton looks like the J. G. Wentworth symbol.

 

[FMC1959]

I believe your source may have that backwards they are now currently made in Italy by a company with the name FZA.


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OK, that makes sense.

 

[jrobb316]

Just bought this Morgan Chicago 145 vise with a work bench for $50. It has Wilton copper jaw covers on it

Very nice score! That 145 is a stout user, work bench and jaw caps are a bonus!

 

[6pony6]

Would you pay $40 for this vise? Rock Island 655?

I like Rock Island vises and I don’t own a swivel jaw. Looks like the swivel clamp is broken and the swivel jaw pin is missing. The main screw also looks loose. In the opinion of the experts, is this an easy fix?


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[rusty65]

Would you pay $40 for this vise? Rock Island 655?

I like Rock Island vises and I don’t own a swivel jaw. Looks like the swivel clamp is broken and the swivel jaw pin is missing. The main screw also looks loose. In the opinion of the experts, is this an easy fix?


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I would very quickly swivel jaw rock islands are very uncommon and it probably just needs a new screw retainer if not parts are pretty easy to obtain from a more common fixed jaw.
Also the rock islands seemed to use very small lock down handles for the swivel. So that’s some what common to be missing.

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[Bobioz1]

Would you pay $40 for this vise? Rock Island 655?

I like Rock Island vises and I don’t own a swivel jaw. Looks like the swivel clamp is broken and the swivel jaw pin is missing. The main screw also looks loose. In the opinion of the experts, is this an easy fix?


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Odd looking jaws.

 

[KMScott]

The Rock Island 855 looks pretty clean but there is issues with this vise. The jaw towers were narrowed on the side shown. Why is anyone's guess. The meatball looks like it was repaired like maybe the spindle was broke and someone tried to pin the meat ball back in place. Red Seal or American Scale is the only vise company I have seen pin the meatball in place except for the baby Wilton's. Most vise makers friction weld the spindle to the handle support. It is a risk buying this vise but worth it if you can make a swivel pin, and possibly repair the meatball end and make a lock down handle and also live with a narrow jaw possibly not screwed in place.

 

[Outlawmws]

Dr. Scott, I was thinking someone slapped on replacement jaws from a bigger vise? the cast contours of the D & S jaws don't look molested?

Ditto what the good Dr. said on the main screw. being pinned looks fishy, so make sure it and the nut are working together properly, adn the nut & screw are not compromised,

 

[6pony6]

Dr. Scott, I was thinking someone slapped on replacement jaws from a bigger vise? the cast contours of the D & S jaws don't look molested?

Ditto what the good Dr. said on the main screw. being pinned looks fishy, so make sure it and the nut are working together properly, adn the nut & screw are not compromised,

Thanks for the replies. I’m undecided on this one. On one hand, it doesn’t appear to be very common, but on the other hand it may be more than I can handle repair wise.

I wonder how much I could ship it to the good Dr for to get it done right?[emoji3] I will probably go take a look at it tomorrow. Thanks again.


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[KMScott]

Here are a set of 5" Rock Island jaws. 6pony, maybe compare these jaws to the ones on the vise tomorrow and see if they match. I do not believe it has larger jaws. I can see the cut they did on the right side jaw tower. I am sure those jaws are fine just hanging out on one side as long as they are screwed in place.

On another note, my Father had a stroke and Mother had a heart attack the same day, so the last 3 months I have been pretty busy taking care of them, my jaw website is low on many jaws and my vise work has slowed down to a trickle. I am seeing light at the end of this tunnel as my father will move in with my Mother this Friday in Assisted living and I can get back to a normal life. Building parts for Royce's big vise was a great therapy session since it took my mind off of my folks and that vise came out sweet.

 

[chrisnazzy]

Thanks for the replies. I’m undecided on this one. On one hand, it doesn’t appear to be very common, but on the other hand it may be more than I can handle repair wise.

I wonder how much I could ship it to the good Dr for to get it done right?[emoji3] I will probably go take a look at it tomorrow. Thanks again.


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I have an 853 (4.5" swivel jaw, swivel base Rock Island). It's the only example I've been able to find a pic of or reference to over the last year or more since I picked it up. I have seen a couple 851's shown here and one of the other regular vise guys has a 55 which would be the 855's predecessor.

I'm afraid if KMScott is correct (and I believe he is) and the jaws have literally been shaved down narrower on the one side, a repair there may be futile. I mean how would you and why would you try to add material back to both the static and dynamic and expect them to provide the same strength as the original jaws. Now if anyone was going to attempt it Dr. Scott would be the one to try though!

Chris.

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[Outlawmws]

I see it now. Agreed, jaw was cut and possibly on both sides.