KMScott
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News keeps getting better Oldie.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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News keeps getting better Oldie.
Shiftless
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Old I think all of us feel the same...
Honza:
Sounds like you’re ahead of me on the industrial Craftsman collection...
I have a 5191 and a 5197
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honza.vosalik
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Old I think all of us feel the same...
Honza:
Sounds like you’re ahead of me on the industrial Craftsman collection...
I have a 5191 and a 5197
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I'm sure you are much ahead of me in a lot of other vises! If you ever want to let the 5197 go or trade, let me know.
MayerMR
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Well fellas, I had a hecka vise day. When I got home my eBay "eh, I'll make him a low offer and see if he accepts" Craftsman 5170 vise had arrived. It's in really good shape and a lot heavier than I expected a 3.5" vise to be. Very good shape as well, which is pretty amazing since it wasn't especially well-packaged:
But my real prize was the Ware Patent vise that I received from a fellow GJ member who recently joined the board. He posted this vise asking for information about it and I was intrigued by it enough to PM and ask if he would be interested in trading and/or selling it. Turns out he was, but the man knows how to drive a hard bargain. I ended up trading him a very nice Wilton 3.5" bullet as well as a very nice 3" Prentiss Bulldog swivel vise, but he threw $50 my way in the trade. He and I have become fast friends and the funniest part is that he's caught the vise bug HARD. Within 48 hrs of receiving the two vises in the mail he had emailed me photos of three more vises that he picked up from a nice little honey hole he found in his area; a 4" Wilton, a 4.5" Long C Craftsman (Reed), and a 4" Prentiss (Meriden, CT) - all mint. He may hold the new record for full-blown VAD (Vise Acquisition Disorder - a term he aptly coined).
Anyway, onto the Ware!
It's a surprisingly stout little sucker as I found out while looking for markings on and in every nook and cranny...I can't find a single marking anywhere.
Other than knowing it's a Ware Patent vise, which I only know from his original thread, I can't find a lick of information on it. Anyone have any idea about when this vise was likely made and perhaps any clues on what company may have produced it?
Regardless, I'm about as tickled pink as one could be, quite the vise week for this fella!
But my real prize was the Ware Patent vise that I received from a fellow GJ member who recently joined the board. He posted this vise asking for information about it and I was intrigued by it enough to PM and ask if he would be interested in trading and/or selling it. Turns out he was, but the man knows how to drive a hard bargain. I ended up trading him a very nice Wilton 3.5" bullet as well as a very nice 3" Prentiss Bulldog swivel vise, but he threw $50 my way in the trade. He and I have become fast friends and the funniest part is that he's caught the vise bug HARD. Within 48 hrs of receiving the two vises in the mail he had emailed me photos of three more vises that he picked up from a nice little honey hole he found in his area; a 4" Wilton, a 4.5" Long C Craftsman (Reed), and a 4" Prentiss (Meriden, CT) - all mint. He may hold the new record for full-blown VAD (Vise Acquisition Disorder - a term he aptly coined).
Anyway, onto the Ware!
It's a surprisingly stout little sucker as I found out while looking for markings on and in every nook and cranny...I can't find a single marking anywhere.
Other than knowing it's a Ware Patent vise, which I only know from his original thread, I can't find a lick of information on it. Anyone have any idea about when this vise was likely made and perhaps any clues on what company may have produced it?
Regardless, I'm about as tickled pink as one could be, quite the vise week for this fella!
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Outlawmws
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I like it. Someday maybe I'l find a Parker of that style, but I would not say no to a RI...
MayerMR
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hey fellas,
I've had this Parker No. 87 for awhile now, but dug it out last night to add its stats to Kevin's Vise Information Thread. That said, after digging it out and fooling with it I got to wondering about how old this vise really is? It's got two patent date years on it; 1865 & 1867. I know that the patent dates don't necessarily mean it was made that year, but some timeframe after the patent date. I've found other C.Parker No.87s that have Patent dates of 1906 and 1910 on the side and they have a standard swivel base. So I assume this vise was made between 1867 & 1906? Does anyone have any old catalogues that may better nail it down or do Parker vises have date stamps anywhere like some other makes?
Thanks!
-Matt
I've had this Parker No. 87 for awhile now, but dug it out last night to add its stats to Kevin's Vise Information Thread. That said, after digging it out and fooling with it I got to wondering about how old this vise really is? It's got two patent date years on it; 1865 & 1867. I know that the patent dates don't necessarily mean it was made that year, but some timeframe after the patent date. I've found other C.Parker No.87s that have Patent dates of 1906 and 1910 on the side and they have a standard swivel base. So I assume this vise was made between 1867 & 1906? Does anyone have any old catalogues that may better nail it down or do Parker vises have date stamps anywhere like some other makes?
Thanks!
-Matt
Outlawmws
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What were the 1906 patents for? If the swivel base, Then that's likely your cutoff. I have a 1901 catalog page showing the under the bench swivel screw...
MayerMR
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Well there ya go sayin' something that makes sense that my brain just skipped on over. I've been trying to locate a patent through the US Patent Office database, but I'm getting my **** kicked...I'll persevere though
Not sure if there is any significance to this, but your pictures got me looking at my recently acquired Parker.
I thought it was interesting in that my vise has commas and periods with the patent dates, and yours doesn’t.
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I thought it was interesting in that my vise has commas and periods with the patent dates, and yours doesn’t.
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MayerMR
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Well, I was able to fine the patents for the later vise, and even one from my vise, but still wasn't able to find the one from 1865.
http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPics.php?source=xrefCompany1160&start=0&id=1160
Not sure if there is any significance to this, but your pictures got me looking at my recently acquired Parker.
I thought it was interesting in that my vise has commas and periods with the patent dates, and yours doesn’t.
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Well that's funny, I quite literally had the patent to your vise open when I came over and saw that someone else had responded.
http://www.datamp.org/patents/advance.php?id=12500&set=1
Outlawmws
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First link isn't working...
BeardedOne
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My wife and I are about to embark on a trip through Indiana, IL, Iowa, and Wisconsin and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for places to stop and see while we're on the journey? The trip will take us past Indianapolis & Noblesville (IN), up to Madison and Barneveld (WI), and into Le Claire (IA) and eventually back to KY by Thursday.
MayerMR
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My bad, that was a link to a query search - click on this link and then type in "Charles Parker" and you'll what I was originally trying to link to.
http://www.datamp.org/patents/search/companySearch.php
Also, a fellow GJ member PM'd me a link to the 1865 Patent, which was for the pipe jaws:
1865 Pipe Jaws Patent
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donovanl12
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Hey guys, does anybody have info on this vise? It's a Sawyer Tool Co. Oswego 13. I found a couple others searching around online but no number 13. I took pictures of all the markings except the one on the inside which is hard to see but it says 1823. It came with cool square head hardware. The dynamic jaw is held in with pins, that also seemed interesting. 
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chrisnazzy
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It's hard to tell from the pics but it would appear that the dynamic jaw support is broken off and missing. It also looks like the dynamic jaw has been brazed back on at some point as well. Unfortunately your Oswego looks to have lived a hard life, most likely used and abused far beyond its limitations. If my observations do prove to be true I'm sorry to have been there bearer of bad news.
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Yeah I noticed both of those. It looks like it's only brazed on the sides, the top and bottom aren't so I'm not sure if or where it was cracked. It was very cheap so I'm not too worried, and I'll keep using it but probably not as hard as the previous owner
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MayerMR
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Chris,
1906 Patent:
http://www.datamp.org/patents/advance.php?pn=808960&id=17139&set=8
1910 Patent:
http://www.datamp.org/patents/advance.php?pn=976521&id=13700&set=9
Is that what you were looking for?
That looks great. What methods did you use to get the nice brushed finished look on the handles? I'm doing a vise now and they are pretty pitted - right now I was thinking flap-wheel, but I don't want to get the handles out of round.
honza.vosalik
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honza.vosalik
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Reed 204 1/2R 4.5" Jaws about 70lbs 4 bolt base
Just got this from my dad and I would like to trade it for a 2" wilton bullet vise if anyone has one they want to trade for a very nice large reed!
I like it, but don't have a baby bullet, just an adult bullet, lol.
MayerMR
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Those work! Thanks!
Who's Chris?
I have no idea where I got that, haha!
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gman007
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Looks great, nice restore job (as per usual)
BTW, is the swivel base the original or you managed to find a replacement ( there is no base in the original photo) ?
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Burn
In general many times finding such parts for old vises takes a lot of luck. Depending on the model it might just a bit easier for Wilton and Reed vises to find parts since they are still in business and there are more parts available. But I would think a base for baby Wilton is not very common and that is indeed a nice find. Congrats
gman007
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I had to post a photo of this Craftsman 5186 (Reed) vise (for sale on local CL), as it is remarkable in a number of ways.
To start with notice the amazingly subtle and professional braze job
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Also we have all seen vises where slide is broken at the point it meets the dynamic jaw but how many vises have you seen where the dynamic jaws itself is diagonally broken off at the shoulder and at that where simultaneously slide is also broken?
How can this even happen? Did a guerrilla hit the piece/vise with a sledge hammer or dropped the vise from a considerable height?
There is a saying, "it is impossible to make anything fool proof as fools are an ingenuous bunch", I guess this fool was super ingenuous
To start with notice the amazingly subtle and professional braze job
. Also we have all seen vises where slide is broken at the point it meets the dynamic jaw but how many vises have you seen where the dynamic jaws itself is diagonally broken off at the shoulder and at that where simultaneously slide is also broken?
How can this even happen? Did a guerrilla hit the piece/vise with a sledge hammer or dropped the vise from a considerable height?
There is a saying, "it is impossible to make anything fool proof as fools are an ingenuous bunch", I guess this fool was super ingenuous
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Rlapointe87
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Good morning all I have a acquired another vise... I'm sure the wife is ready to kill me lol it's a chase parker 974 1/2 they were going to toss it at work so I scooped it up. Want to strip the paint and either refinish it with paint or powder coat. Not sure which direction I want to go with this one. If anyone has any info on it let me know I dont know anything about chase parkers only that they are made not far from me here in ct. Wonder what year it was made has a pat number on it.
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MayerMR
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I had to post a photo of this Craftsman 5186 (Reed) vise (for sale on local CL), as it is remarkable in a number of ways.
To start with notice the amazingly subtle and professional braze job
Also we have all seen vises where slide is broken at the point it meets the dynamic jaw but have many vises have you seen where the dynamic jaws itself is diagonally broken off at the shoulder and at that where simultaneously slide is also broken?
How can this even happen? Did a guerrilla hit the piece/vise with a sledge hammer or dropped the vise from a considerable distance?
There is a saying, "it is impossible to make anything fool proof as fools are an ingenuous bunch", I guess this fool was super ingenuous
I'm struggling to see where the vise was ever broken...masterful repair job!
MayerMR
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Very nice vise. I think I'd just slather it in paint stripper to get the yellow off without having to worry about the dust. After that, if the whole thing is rusty, probably an electrolysis tank bath to clean that up before a nice coat of Rustoleum Performance Enamel paint. Nice acquisition!
davethorik
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Good luck with that trade. Let us know how it turns out
va.grouseman
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Gman, when it comes to brazing, if "LESS IS MORE", just think ''HOW MUCH MORE, MORE WOULD BE''.---At least that's what that particular brazer was thinking.
gman007
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Rlapointe
That is a very nice vise and that for free
.That is one of the later Parkers mostly likely from around 1950s.
I have some vises that are spray painted and and several that have been professionally powder coated. The first 4 vises in the attached photo were first bead blasted, then nickle plated (both for corrosion resistance as well as better adhesion of the powder coat), powder coated and then baked. The last three vises were simply spray painted.
IMHO, when the powder coating is done right and by real pros, it is turns very nice and a it is lot more durable. But at the end of day it is a personal preference and I am not going to argue with anyone if they prefer or think spray paint is the way to go
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