It was a bulletin that we received I think it was in 2012 or 2013 about flying into thunderstorms I believe it had to do with ice crystals. It only affected 787s with GE engines and not the Rolls-Royce engines. I will see if I can find it.
Snap on losing their minds? 1/2” impact
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It was a bulletin that we received I think it was in 2012 or 2013 about flying into thunderstorms I believe it had to do with ice crystals. It only affected 787s with GE engines and not the Rolls-Royce engines. I will see if I can find it.
Stooge
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I work in a lab for a materials testing manufacturer that makes and sells machines/ equipment to other manufacturers to test their materials in house. Composites/ plastics are huge business with a lot of money being spent on making the best, strongest, lightest, etc, and judging from the customer names I see on jobs around the plant, manufactures across the board, in all types of industry, are heavily investing in it and have been for a long time.
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There never is a shortage of Snap On threads bashing their prices but I have been replacing a lot of my air tools and upgrading to Snap On recently. As I replace them my old ones are getting passed down to young son who recently came to work for us. I bought a 3/8” air impact a couple months back and was going to get a 1/2” today. Dealer hands it to me and it’s plastic. I laugh and hand it back and ask for a real impact, one made of metal. After a short back and forth of how they no longer make an aluminum housed 1/2 inch he went and pulled out the last remaining one that he had tucked away for “people like me”.
Hard to imagine that a company known for high priced top line tools is now only offering up a plastic impact. Anyhow, this one will last me the rest of my life.
I think you lost your mind for buying a metal snap on, wait, a snap on air tool period! IR titanium or aircat areally so much better in every aspect it's not even funny. The only guy that buys them at our shop would buy a snap on toliet brush if they made them, he is that much of a blind follower.
I wouldn't go back to using mag case impacts after upgrading to composite. The new composites are just nicer to use, lighter more comfortable with much higher power. I can't say how they will hold up over many years of use but I think they are more durable not less. SO MG725 ain't a bad gun but I can think of a dozen or more cheaper composite guns I'd take over it any day.
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One terribly cold morning I knocked my composite impact off the top of my cart and it hit the floor and snapped the handle clean off. Now I am a clumsy guy and have dropped, knocked to the floor just about every tool I own one time or another. This catastrophic failure was the first time anything like that had ever happened.
Snap On replaced it the next week.
Wonder how you IR guys or Horrible Freight customers would have faired if it happened to you?
Snap On replaced it the next week.
Wonder how you IR guys or Horrible Freight customers would have faired if it happened to you?
Captain Spaulding
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A great many people tried to win $1,000,000 demonstrating it worked and failed miserably. It is 100% ******** in every way.
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Elsinore13
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I should have brought a bigger bag of popcorn.The triggering intensifies...
You guys can have your lightweight plastic impacts, sticking with my nice heavy ones myself in 3/8 and 1/2. I do have a plastic 1/4" air impact that I use quite a bit. I don't use mine everyday so I still have little to no desire to have a whole tool box full of cordless tools. All my woodworking stuff has a cord coming off of it as well. Very little battery powered stuff here.
You guys can have your lightweight plastic impacts, sticking with my nice heavy ones myself in 3/8 and 1/2. I do have a plastic 1/4" air impact that I use quite a bit. I don't use mine everyday so I still have little to no desire to have a whole tool box full of cordless tools. All my woodworking stuff has a cord coming off of it as well. Very little battery powered stuff here.
tonyciambrone
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We could buy 5 more by the time we caught up to your purchase
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Yep you pay less, no argument.
It is sometimes very expensive to be cheap.
I was not posting in this thread to support Snap On(they seem to be doing just fine with out me)
I was posting to explain that composite tools are a tad brittle when it is real cold.
But you go ahead and turn this into yet another Snap On bashing thread, It matters very little to me what you spend your money on, Just don't complain when your warantyless tools leave you spending money again that you already spent.
neophyte
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Welcome to the 20th Century!
Purchase a new handgun. Most of them are made out of mostly plastic, as is some higher end chain saws.
No surprise way Way cheaper to manufacture, so naturally, the price will be lower.
Either they hold up - or they don't. Apparently they do.
Wait till they start making sockets and wrenches out of plastic.
Snap-On 1/2” Impact “Kaboom pictures when?
ovrrdrive
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I'm the biggest cynic you'll ever meet and don't believe in anything I can't see with my own eyes. I've done it on multiple occasions. It works. I can find a water pipe in seconds. I've done it with my eyes closed, looked the other way, no matter what I have tried the rods cross in the same spot. I'm not selling anything, but I assure you it works.
FSrepair&fabrication
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I like my 2135 ti max, but I also have 3 mg725’s and while they are heavy and clunky to hold they are definitely tougher than composite. When im outdoors up on a trailer or up on a piece of equipment the mg725 is my go to. If im climbing down from up high with a handful of tools i wont think twice to drop the mg725s on the ground from 10-15 feet or so. Theyve been working for over 5 years with no issues. I wouldnt dare try that with any other gun. Besides if I only had one mg and I broke it, one call to the snap on man and he would bring me a loaner by the end of the day while mine goes out for rebuild. Service is a big part of the price. I dont have to stop work and lose money to go to the store and warranty a tool. Which is also why I own 2 or more of most tools so I never have a broken tool holding up production.
Wamsutta
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Snap-on impact guns are made in Algona Iowa, or maybe it's their toolboxes that are made there. They make something in Agona Iowa. 
bob15
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My IR hasn't broken yet....and it has fallen in cold weather plenty of times (it sits in an unheated & insulated building).
Maybe you should have bought an IR to start with.
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Actually most modern impacts are plastic with metal hammer casings mostly do to weight savings and will actually hold up quite well and believe me a lighter gun will move around easier all day
And the ir seems to hold up better in the long haul of being rebuilt every couple of years for snap on air tools
And the ir seems to hold up better in the long haul of being rebuilt every couple of years for snap on air tools
kctyphoon
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How dare you try to sell me that lightweight, stronger, and modern tool.. please take my money and give me the heavier less powerful version instead. I dont even wanna HEAR the word CORDLESS from you fools !! I plan on making things as hard on myself as possible, and nobody will ever talk me out of it !! Suckers !!
I am upgrading all my impacts to those new 10 year old models he said.... lol
What was he using before??
Ill respond when my 56k modem is done uploading.. how do i post on Facebook with my Startac flip phone?
I am upgrading all my impacts to those new 10 year old models he said.... lol
What was he using before??
Ill respond when my 56k modem is done uploading.. how do i post on Facebook with my Startac flip phone?
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Wamsutta
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Well guys, it turns out that the Snap-on impact y'all hate so much is made in Murphy North Carolina. That's practically right next door to Taiwan. 
nelstomlinson
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Cheaper. If the metal was cheaper, they'd still be using it.
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12 year old IR231 Ingersol. Still going strong. Get back to me in a dozen years and tell me how your battery powered ************* is holding up.
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kctyphoon
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12 year old IR231 Ingersol. Still going strong. Get back to me in a dozen years and tell me how your battery powered ************* is holding up.
My battery powered POS works 5 miles away from the nearest compressor..
I guess youre also a fan of those pens the banks like to chain down..
dont worry, you’ll learn..
12 year old IR231 Ingersol. Still going strong. Get back to me in a dozen years and tell me how your battery powered ************* is holding up.
You mean your underpowered, bulky, heavy, inefficient gun that was the standard about 3 decades ago?
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FSrepair&fabrication
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^ Im assuming thats why hes buying a newer gun? an IR 231 is nothing to laugh at in terms of reliability and longevity. Might not have a ton of power but if its oiled itll probably still be working 50 years from now.
And as for wanting an all metal impact, I totally understand. In harsh work enviornments you want something solid and hard to break especially if you work with idiots. Id bet I could throw an mg725 off the roof of the shop and into the parking lot and pick it up and use it. Not that I would intentionally do that to a tool while working, but sometimes when youre up a ladder or in a lift and you drop it accidentally (and it will happen) its nice to not have to pick it up in pieces.
And as for wanting an all metal impact, I totally understand. In harsh work enviornments you want something solid and hard to break especially if you work with idiots. Id bet I could throw an mg725 off the roof of the shop and into the parking lot and pick it up and use it. Not that I would intentionally do that to a tool while working, but sometimes when youre up a ladder or in a lift and you drop it accidentally (and it will happen) its nice to not have to pick it up in pieces.
Negen
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If you want a real impact wrench Japan manufacturers understand both quality and durability.
Sp air is top notch
Kuken is also top notch
Fuji is good
All seem to me to be made of metal.
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Sp air is top notch
Kuken is also top notch
Fuji is good
All seem to me to be made of metal.
Sent from my G8141 using The Garage Journal mobile app
garandman
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FFY.
Glock has about 65% market share in the LEA market. There are some other polymer-frame pistols as well but I doubt they comprise 95%. Even that is misleading since the barrel, slide and many internal parts are metal. The Dreamliner is claimed to be 50% composite by weight.
Most polymer pistol frames are not “composite,” they’re high grade, unreinforced Nylon. Nylon use for stocks and hand grips was common long before Glock was invented. Remington introduced the Nylon 66 Rifle in 1959 and Heckler & Koch introduced the Nylon-frame VP70 pistoling in 1970 (also striker fired. Wonder where Glock got the idea?) .
“Composite” usually describes a material formed or molded with substantial fiber loading: glass fiber, carbon fiber, or various metals. The fibers can be woven into cloth or roving, or short fibers can be used to reinforce injection molded resins, including nylon.
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ftb
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I love my MG275 but must admit, the new SO impact gun line made me want to trade my impacts almost instantly. I'll wait to see what the feedback is like on them.
ftb
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It's funny as we have an old Makita LXT 1/2 impact lying around the shop for those moments when the air compressor is down etc. It's not particularly cared for yet never skipped a bit. I just checked the COO - yup, Japan it is.
I've had my IR Ti2135TiMAX for almost 10 years and it's been great even with almost no maintenance. I've also dropped it more times than I care to admit. The local IR dealer, who I am quite friendly with once told me they have never had to replace a composite handle (and it gets pretty cold here in Atlantic Canada) so I'd say breaking one is probably not a concern unless you're working in the arctic.
I have a friend that owns both a PT850 and an IR 2235TiMAX (purchased both new), he was a bit disappointed with the PT850. It is slightly lighter, but he's been in quite a few situations where the Snap-On wouldn't take something off and the IR would. The IR has nicer ergonomics too. I've used both of his guns as well and had the same results. The 2235TiMAX is a better gun in every respect other than being slightly heavier for less money and parts are much more available.
I have a friend that owns both a PT850 and an IR 2235TiMAX (purchased both new), he was a bit disappointed with the PT850. It is slightly lighter, but he's been in quite a few situations where the Snap-On wouldn't take something off and the IR would. The IR has nicer ergonomics too. I've used both of his guns as well and had the same results. The 2235TiMAX is a better gun in every respect other than being slightly heavier for less money and parts are much more available.
I had a first gen IR composite impact that I dropped off the top of a semi trailer, had to replace the direction buttons but worked fine for years after that.
I had, still have it actually but the older snap on IM6100 steel body impact blew the end out of the handle so had to pay for a complete new body....that was the last snap on impact I'll ever own.
There's a few guys at work with the mg275s that the bodies have broken, one guy it looked like a grenade went off inside it and had pieces everywhere.
I've been running composite impacts for over 10 years with nothing but good experience, my 1/2 is 10 years old, I'm on my 3rd 3/8 in that time but they get daily use and abuse so it's easier just replacing them then rebuilding. The only reason I wouldn't buy this new snap on impact is price, they can't compete with IR.
....After a short back and forth of how they no longer make an aluminum housed 1/2 inch he went and pulled out the last remaining one that he had tucked away for “people like me”.
Yeah, I've gotten phrases like that hurled my way. Funny how their tune changes when "people like us" stop handing them our money.
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You do realize you are preaching to a guy whose favorite race bike in his stable is a 45 year on Honda Elsinore don’t you???
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The only reason it is only 12 years old is because someone “lost” my other 12 plus year old one at work. My youngest son recently came to work with us and I am giving him a bunch of my stuff and replacing it all with new tools as I get close to some form of semi retirement. Good times...
E.Marquez
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There never is a shortage of Snap On threads bashing their prices but I have been replacing a lot of my air tools and upgrading to Snap On recently. As I replace them my old ones are getting passed down to young son who recently came to work for us. I bought a 3/8” air impact a couple months back and was going to get a 1/2” today. Dealer hands it to me and it’s plastic. I laugh and hand it back and ask for a real impact, one made of metal. After a short back and forth of how they no longer make an aluminum housed 1/2 inch he went and pulled out the last remaining one that he had tucked away for “people like me”.
Hard to imagine that a company known for high priced top line tools is now only offering up a plastic impact. Anyhow, this one will last me the rest of my life.
Got it you’re not interested in a new design high Tech high quality impact gun
I suppose others are happy with their grandfathers Beam type torque wrench
To each his own
But just because you’re not interested in the newest in the best performing tool available doesn’t mean others aren’t
kctyphoon
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You do realize you are preaching to a guy whose favorite race bike in his stable is a 45 year on Honda Elsinore don’t you???
Ya know, if you had cordless - you could actually take IT, and your impact - OUT of the stable..
Btw - my plastic, high tech bike would redefine your idea of “race”
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michelin
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I’ve had my eyes on the IR impact for a while but never pulled the trigger, so to speak. My main criteria is weight. I was happy to hand our SO my money when the MG impacts came out - they were much lighter than the older models. I’ll check the IR range when I come across it, thanks for the tip.
WittHay
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If i was working on more cars I would consider the PT850 because I like lighter impacts for lighter duty work. Would compare it the IR 2235 before buying though for ergonomics. Parts and warranty are a wash. Local tool store gives out loaners and handles repairs the same as tool trucks.
I would buy the new Mac air impact for equipment work. More powerful and metal construction. You waste a lot of time using cordless on farm stuff, have to be careful not to drop it and try to keep the hydraulic fluid off them. Air you dont baby them, you just use it.
I would buy the new Mac air impact for equipment work. More powerful and metal construction. You waste a lot of time using cordless on farm stuff, have to be careful not to drop it and try to keep the hydraulic fluid off them. Air you dont baby them, you just use it.
