Snap on losing their minds? 1/2” impact

[kctyphoon]

Like you I have both brand's, at work it's all snap on but I've had my cordless tools for years, I had planned on going Milwaukee for a cordless ratchet but snap on gave me a better deal and better product. At home it's all Milwaukee because it's wood working and home use tools...I chose Milwaukee because I think it's the best option for what I want even thou they are usually the highest priced of its competitors.

Snap on is quite pricy thou I've had very good dealers that offer great deals that are as cheap or cheaper than competitors and the tools live up to their price.

Milwaukee is also not cheap but I've been pleased with their product so far and plan on buying more of their stuff but I wish they would throw out better deals or discounts to the trades.

Its not uncommon for Milwaukee reps to give out deals in HD if you talk to them. I have to say that the last few years Milwaukee offers a lot of promos to get free stuff.

I had one time where i was just really disappointed in a product from them and returned it. I wrote to them on facebook and said it was the only product from them I’ve ever returned. They reached out on messenger and asked for my address. They sent me a $250 kit to make up for my disappointment. I didnt even ask them for anything.

But yes i agree - it would be awesome if you got 10% off for being a pro buyer.

 

[ngk22r]

Narrative shift...


“Wait... You are ALWAYS jumping into a thread about Snap On to criticize the brand...

Now with your comment, replace Snap On with Union, then we can talk about ****.” - NGK22R

You don’t like it when it’s done back at you?

So let’s go back to my original comment since you like to not answer my comments/questions and pick and choose what you will answer (since let’s be honest that your company pays for everything for you and really is a rarity for that to happen nowadays): HF brand tools will suffice perfectly fine in what you do but instead you went with Milwaukee which costs significantly more... Take away the fact that the company you work for paid for your tools and you are like the average Joe who has to pay for their own tools, why choose Milwaukee because there are plenty of people who will think that even they are over priced.

 

[ngk22r]

Its not uncommon for Milwaukee reps to give out deals in HD if you talk to them. I have to say that the last few years Milwaukee offers a lot of promos to get free stuff.

I had one time where i was just really disappointed in a product from them and returned it. I wrote to them on facebook and said it was the only product from them I’ve ever returned. They reached out on messenger and asked for my address. They sent me a $250 kit to make up for my disappointment. I didnt even ask them for anything.

But yes i agree - it would be awesome if you got 10% off for being a pro buyer.

Wow, Snap On also gives out replacement tools and don’t ask for the broken tool back at times....

 

[ChrisLS8]

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit?

First I don’t have a Snap On floor jack, second never said HF jacks do not work, they do fail more often though then better made brands (many brands make hi quality and reliable floor jacks other than Snap On).

You did imply that the SO Jack's are higher quality likely assuming just cause they are SO. Not sure where you are pulling the info about HF jacks from (probably your ***) but their Jack's are gems and many many many people including the snobs grudgingly admit that as well. Please pull up some solid proof about their "higher failure rate"

 

[kctyphoon]

You don’t like it when it’s done back at you?

So let’s go back to my original comment since you like to not answer my comments/questions and pick and choose what you will answer (since let’s be honest that your company pays for everything for you and really is a rarity for that to happen nowadays): HF brand tools will suffice perfectly fine in what you do but instead you went with Milwaukee which costs significantly more... Take away the fact that the company you work for paid for your tools and you are like the average Joe who has to pay for their own tools, why choose Milwaukee because there are plenty of people who will think that even they are over priced.

I have thousands in Milwaukee tools I’ve bought for and paid for myself at home. I think i have 5 heated jackets/hoodies alone, and entire locker filled with cordless and its still not enough to hold them all. I’m buying what i want - and what’s comparable to other products sold in home stores like dewalt and makita, and NOT spending snap on / Hiliti prices and still getting tools just as good. Show me how Milwaukee auto based power tools are an inferior tool and not worth the investment over spending more money for snap on instead.

With that said - i think me and you are done here.

Prepare for another narrative shift...

 

[dsimatt]

Its not uncommon for Milwaukee reps to give out deals in HD if you talk to them. I have to say that the last few years Milwaukee offers a lot of promos to get free stuff.

I had one time where i was just really disappointed in a product from them and returned it. I wrote to them on facebook and said it was the only product from them I’ve ever returned. They reached out on messenger and asked for my address. They sent me a $250 kit to make up for my disappointment. I didnt even ask them for anything.

But yes i agree - it would be awesome if you got 10% off for being a pro buyer.

That's the thing, I've never seen a Milwaukee rep anywhere granted I am rarely at any of the box stores but would be nice to meet one. This summer I was already to buy the 3/8 fuel ratchet with 2 batteries but my SO dealer offered me the same thing for $250 so I jumped on it.

Milwaukee hasn't had anything that's let me down so far, non of the tools have been used or abused like my SO stuff thou.

I think Milwaukee could really steal a lot of tool truck sales if they would package their deals better and offer tradesman discounts, give me the good 1/2, 3/8, drill and light and it would be hard to pass up if priced right.

 

[ngk22r]

You did imply that the SO Jack's are higher quality likely assuming just cause they are SO. Not sure where you are pulling the info about HF jacks from (probably your ***) but their Jack's are gems and many many many people including the snobs grudgingly admit that as well. Please pull up some solid proof about their "higher failure rate"

That is a big assumption on your part thinking I am pulling that info out of my ***...

I have bought tools from harbor freight in a pinch, transmission jack failed while doing a side job so I exchanged it for another, it failed too. Had to have a friend come over to help hold up a transmission on a Toyota pickup...

If you think that I am a snob then you are wrong, Harbor Freight is a great option for many people but it is not going to be for everyone else. I have said this many times over just like I have said that Snap On is worth the money IF you are in the professional field. Same goes for Milwaukee, worth it in the professional field but would not say it’s a must have for someone drilling a couple holes a year to have (hence my sig line).

The point comes down to it that HF, Milwaukee, Snap On make tools for different needs, and they each do them well. Heck go ask the vise guys about which vise is better, a HF or a Wilton? Are they wrong? Because a lot people would suffice with a HF vise and others would not.

The argument goes for trucks as well, a small Toyota pick up is a truck and does many needs and is a great truck, but do not go off towing a big horse trailer with it because it is not a heavy duty truck.

 

[ngk22r]

I have thousands in Milwaukee tools I’ve bought for and paid for myself at home. I think i have 5 heated jackets/hoodies alone, and entire locker filled with cordless and its still not enough to hold them all. I’m buying what i want - and what’s comparable to other products sold in home stores like dewalt and makita, and NOT spending snap on / Hiliti prices and still getting tools just as good. Show me how Milwaukee auto based power tools are an inferior tool and not worth the investment over spending more money for snap on instead.

With that said - i think me and you are done here.

Prepare for another narrative shift...

Milwaukee Fuel tools are solid tools and I use them everyday. The point is YOU are ok with spending the money on Milwaukee where other people would say a lower cost tool would do you just as good and that you over paid on Milwaukee. But you said this “buying what I want,” and I say more power to you for doing that. But why **** on someone else “buying what they want?”

 

[2ndGearRubber]

Milwaukee Fuel tools are solid tools and I use them everyday. The point is YOU are ok with spending the money on Milwaukee where other people would say a lower cost tool would do you just as good and that you over paid on Milwaukee. But you said this “buying what I want,” and I say more power to you for doing that. But why **** on someone else “buying what they want?”

Because what HE wants is reasonable, what OTHER PEOPLE want is unreasonable. Many people look at my tools and talk about how much money I spend. They haven't gone without a car payment at 10%+ interest in 30 years; just roll the old into the new. Or they spend thousands on clothes every year, and throw them out (not donate) when they don't like them anymore. I enjoy my tools as a hobby in and of itself, which helps justify costs sometimes.


Everyone justifies themselves. "Why I buy is the smart choice, everything else is low quality or over priced". I'm generally in the camp that I DGAF what you buy, just don't complain about money if you like spending it.





EDIT:

I'll also add I do savor the finer things in life, but I don't feel that most of the finer things are anything I'm interested in, regardless of price. I pay $15 or something for 6 pairs of socks. Why? I like them, and they're fairly durable. I could buy socks for 50 cents a pair. I consider socks something I'm willing to spend extra on because I am very picky about sock/shoe fit.

One can, make this statement for nearly anything.

 

[dsimatt]

Because what HE wants is reasonable, what OTHER PEOPLE want is unreasonable. Many people look at my tools and talk about how much money I spend. They haven't gone without a car payment at 10%+ interest in 30 years; just roll the old into the new. Or they spend thousands on clothes every year, and throw them out (not donate) when they don't like them anymore. I enjoy my tools as a hobby in and of itself, which helps justify costs sometimes.


Everyone justifies themselves. "Why I buy is the smart choice, everything else is low quality or over priced". I'm generally in the camp that I DGAF what you buy, just don't complain about money if you like spending it.





EDIT:

I'll also add I do savor the finer things in life, but I don't feel that most of the finer things are anything I'm interested in, regardless of price. I pay $15 or something for 6 pairs of socks. Why? I like them, and they're fairly durable. I could buy socks for 50 cents a pair. I consider socks something I'm willing to spend extra on because I am very picky about sock/shoe fit.

One can, make this statement for nearly anything.

There are lots of guys on here that will defend their favorite brand's to a fault, also lots of guys that get worked up when others disagree with them and can't let it go.

Reality is tools aren't cheap, good tools aka SO, Milwaukee or dewalt get expensive pretty quickly so they better be good quality which they usually are. Tools are a investment so buy the best you can afford and like the best and they should serve you for a long time.

 

[kctyphoon]

That's the thing, I've never seen a Milwaukee rep anywhere granted I am rarely at any of the box stores but would be nice to meet one. This summer I was already to buy the 3/8 fuel ratchet with 2 batteries but my SO dealer offered me the same thing for $250 so I jumped on it.

Milwaukee hasn't had anything that's let me down so far, non of the tools have been used or abused like my SO stuff thou.

I think Milwaukee could really steal a lot of tool truck sales if they would package their deals better and offer tradesman discounts, give me the good 1/2, 3/8, drill and light and it would be hard to pass up if priced right.

Yea i dont doubt some snappy dealers making deals to compete with Milwaukee. It only makes sense for them. With a big enough markup they have some wiggle room, and keeping in the SO lineup will help lead to more sales in that platform down the road. Want a different size ratchet, an underhood light - well i dont need the battery and charger so i might as well go with - XXXX..

Believe me - if Milwaukee had a rewards based program - I’d be swimming in it by now.. if nothing else it would help to make purchases i wont make for myself. Maybe a new cordless miter saw.. lol

 

[dsimatt]

Yea i dont doubt some snappy dealers making deals to compete with Milwaukee. It only makes sense for them. With a big enough markup they have some wiggle room, and keeping in the SO lineup will help lead to more sales in that platform down the road. Want a different size ratchet, an underhood light - well i dont need the battery and charger so i might as well go with - XXXX..

Believe me - if Milwaukee had a rewards based program - I’d be swimming in it by now.. if nothing else it would help to make purchases i wont make for myself. Maybe a new cordless miter saw.. lol

I don't buy anything unless I get it at least 20-30% off, have gotten a few thing 50%off but very rare, also it's nice being able to trade in and get money for your old tools...hell most of my cordless tools I bought used.

Everybrand does sales to keep you buying their products, I think Milwaukee is the king of that because battery platforms aren't cheap so makes sense sticking to one. My dealer knows that I'm pretty much done buying cordless from him, it's not that he can't compete price wise it's just the huge Milwaukee M18 tool selection that I can use for work or home tools.

 

[PETE BALLARD]

I agree with sweet victory- my composite Ingersoll is going just fine with no issues

 

[Mr_B]

yeah, nothing wrong with composite, better in the hand than alloy .
For real rough abusive workshop then then alloy likely best option but I had zero issue with composite to date ...

 

[Tonyuk]

You can by a Nitrocat off amazon for £210 delivered here;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01NACJKZF/?tag=atomicindustr-21

The equivalent by Snap-on, with slightly less power is £507.00;

https://browse.snapon.com/#/product/PT850

You could by the Nitrocat, loose it the next day, buy another and still be better off.

Every brand has its gems, snap-ons air and power tools certainly aren't one of them.

Shopping with a bit of brains and some internet savvy you could probably pick up a decent air impact, die grinder and ratchet for around the price of 1 snap-on gun.

Maybe even a pre-owned air hammer as well off ebay for cheap.

 

[Tonyuk]

In fact i was way off with the above;

1/2" compact impact - £102.95

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Facom-16...m=123419236273&_trksid=p2045573.c101006.m3226

3/8" mini impacting ratchet - £109.88;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014KCS1KE/?tag=atomicindustr-21

Set of 2 die grinders - £90.13;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0083RPUQG/?tag=atomicindustr-21

Long barrel air hammer - £80.76;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000AU956U/?tag=atomicindustr-21

3 piece air blow gun set - £13.46;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07HNG64PV/?tag=atomicindustr-21

Comes to £496.21 if my maths in right, and its all very good kit.

 

[ChrisLS8]

Wow this thread took a leap straight off a cliff right quick... My own personal opinions aside I was trolling OfferUp and Craigslist for tools as I do constantly and the first listing for Snap On CL tonight was this gem. I find it to be oddly appropriate considering the direction this thread has taken... Enjoy (yes it's real).

gold

 

[Alpine4x4]

Yea i dont doubt some snappy dealers making deals to compete with Milwaukee. It only makes sense for them. With a big enough markup they have some wiggle room, and keeping in the SO lineup will help lead to more sales in that platform down the road. Want a different size ratchet, an underhood light - well i dont need the battery and charger so i might as well go with - XXXX..

Believe me - if Milwaukee had a rewards based program - I’d be swimming in it by now.. if nothing else it would help to make purchases i wont make for myself. Maybe a new cordless miter saw.. lol

Most deals on the trucks are corporate based offerings that the dealer themselves has to buy into. They are very nice though and about the only way I will buy Snap-On since the price is much more reasonable. It's also nice when you go to price an item and it is a leftover promo item long forgotten and you get it for a steal.

 

[kctyphoon]

No argument here - a good deal is a good deal, no matter who’s selling it.

 

[Professional Tool User]

That snap on is over priced, over sized and just overrated and every tech in the shop with one has had theirs catastrophically fail. IR is just as good or better and my composite is 10 years old and still going strong every thou I beat the hell out of it and I'm in a heavy duty shop.

You're misunderstanding me here. The main reason I went with the MG725 was because my Snap on guy was able to find me a rebuilt one for around $250. I even stated that in every department except power, there's better options. I make fun of Snap on all the time even though I have quite a bit of their stuff. At that price, it's cheaper than an IR titanium gun. Air cat and CP options were marginally cheaper. As for where I work, the two other guys that have an MG725 say they never had any issues with it. I've had the direction button fail to work because of the O-ring catching, but that's it. But then again, the shop 3/4 IR titanium gun also had the direction button **** out.

 

[Elsinore13]

In fact i was way off with the above;

1/2" compact impact - £102.95

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Facom-16...m=123419236273&_trksid=p2045573.c101006.m3226

3/8" mini impacting ratchet - £109.88;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014KCS1KE/?tag=atomicindustr-21

Set of 2 die grinders - £90.13;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0083RPUQG/?tag=atomicindustr-21

Long barrel air hammer - £80.76;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000AU956U/?tag=atomicindustr-21

3 piece air blow gun set - £13.46;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07HNG64PV/?tag=atomicindustr-21

Comes to £496.21 if my maths in right, and its all very good kit.

I recently threw away a box full of non working tools similar to some of those you chose. They were replaced with better quality tools that are still working just fine but I am upgrading to even higher end tools that will go with me into my hopefully soon to be state of semi retirement. My youngest son is getting some good used tools as mine are replaced. Can't tell you how many air hammers I have been through and I don't even use them on a daily basis. I once had a new long barrel Mac that didn't make it through a week without hanging up. That one was returned/exchanged for a 1/2 in drive Mac drill that is still in use after 28 years. My Ingersoll air hammer is being replaced by this one. I'm sure more triggering will ensue...

 

[Aqua-Andy]

You couldn't give me an all aluminum impact. I retired my old IR231 to home use when the IR 1/2" titanium came out. Working over your head the composite guns are so much easier on the arms. I used that gun in a dealer environment until five years ago. When doing tire work I would always toss the gun to the other side of the vehicle using the hose to guide it as it slid across the floor, never an issue with the plastic parts.

 

[Skin]

You couldn't give me an all aluminum impact. I retired my old IR231 to home use when the IR 1/2" titanium came out. Working over your head the composite guns are so much easier on the arms. I used that gun in a dealer environment until five years ago. When doing tire work I would always toss the gun to the other side of the vehicle using the hose to guide it as it slid across the floor, never an issue with the plastic parts.

That's primarily due to size and how much metal the rest is. For something new, its kind of negligible. Balance is noticed more than weight in my opinion and that's where the MG725 was kind of poor since it was front heavy even without sockets. In terms of construction a magnesium body isn't going to be much heavier than a plastic one. The new MAC MPFs come in both mag and plastic and they weigh roughly the same. Both are only about 3 ounces heavier than a 2235.

 

[dsimatt]

You're misunderstanding me here. The main reason I went with the MG725 was because my Snap on guy was able to find me a rebuilt one for around $250. I even stated that in every department except power, there's better options. I make fun of Snap on all the time even though I have quite a bit of their stuff. At that price, it's cheaper than an IR titanium gun. Air cat and CP options were marginally cheaper. As for where I work, the two other guys that have an MG725 say they never had any issues with it. I've had the direction button fail to work because of the O-ring catching, but that's it. But then again, the shop 3/4 IR titanium gun also had the direction button **** out.

That makes sense, I wasn't trying to be a **** just for full retail there's a lot better deals as it has it's faults. Hell just today I picked up a very lightly used snap on 14.4 impact driver that I've been wanting to get new but couldnt justify the new price on them. I like snap on and own plenty of their stuff.

Funny thing I was talking to my dealer and he was telling me there's a lot of people that will come on the truck and just walk out when they hear the prices but never ask for a discount. Just today I saved a bunch of money dealing the price down with him.

 

[General Geoff]

If you are going to use a floor jack MAYBE one time a year then the HF version would be better for you. If you are going to use it everyday then you will need something better... Sorry the facts do not lie, and driving all the way to HF to keep exchanging a floor jack that leaks or no longer pumps up because the internal seals went bad is going to cost you with down time and gas..

Two used tire/flat repair shops near me use exclusively Harbor Freight floor jacks. And they use em hard, all day/every day. The yellow Daytona jacks in particular, they've been using since they came out 2-1/2 years ago with zero failures. They have four of them, along with a few older silver and orange ones that are still going strong (though they're now used as backups to the Daytona jacks).

 

[ngk22r]

Two used tire/flat repair shops near me use exclusively Harbor Freight floor jacks. And they use em hard, all day/every day. The yellow Daytona jacks in particular, they've been using since they came out 2-1/2 years ago with zero failures. They have four of them, along with a few older silver and orange ones that are still going strong (though they're now used as backups to the Daytona jacks).

Ok, the shop I work at used to have three HF floor jacks before the Daytona ones came out and each failed....

 

[Tonyuk]

I recently threw away a box full of non working tools similar to some of those you chose. They were replaced with better quality tools that are still working just fine but I am upgrading to even higher end tools that will go with me into my hopefully soon to be state of semi retirement. My youngest son is getting some good used tools as mine are replaced. Can't tell you how many air hammers I have been through and I don't even use them on a daily basis. I once had a new long barrel Mac that didn't make it through a week without hanging up. That one was returned/exchanged for a 1/2 in drive Mac drill that is still in use after 28 years. My Ingersoll air hammer is being replaced by this one. I'm sure more triggering will ensue...

Many tools look like each other, its the internals that count.

Astro are well known for producing high quality kit. The facom impact is used daily up here with no issues.

The sunnex air hammer is on the lower end, but i havent had any problems with mine.

 

[Ton ton]

I think you lost your mind for buying a metal snap on, wait, a snap on air tool period! IR titanium or aircat areally so much better in every aspect it's not even funny. The only guy that buys them at our shop would buy a snap on toliet brush if they made them, he is that much of a blind follower.

LOL.

 

[anndel]

In Florida, a metal tracer tape is laid into a trench above the pipe, I believe, if you want.

This The contractor per the design specs are supposed to wrap some metal tape every so many feet from each other, the entire length so the next time your drilling or excavating, you tone it first and the tone will hit the metal tape.

 

[anndel]

Love my Snap-on PH850 and my Glocks.

 

[WWheeler]

It's a good idea to keep an Astro 1894 Thor impact handy to help you out every time your metal or plastic Snap-off gets defeated by a stubborn fastener.

 

[Lucid Moments]

LOL.

You really resurrected a 3 year old thread for LOL?

 

[Lucid Moments]

It's a good idea to keep an Astro 1894 Thor impact handy to help you out every time your metal or plastic Snap-off gets defeated by a stubborn fastener.

Thor didn't exist when this thread was started.

 

[Ton ton]

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