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bobcatdan

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Things are moving much faster than I figured with the home hobby machining idea. I might be able to get this bridgeport mill from work. Was pulled from the pattern shop a few years ago and has just been sitting since. If I get it, the plan is get it home, cleaned up and then have a buddy check it over. I know very little about Bridgeports and wasn't really considering getting one, but if things work out, I'll grab it. Was leaning towards a new import benchtop to get around the power requirements and space, but hell if I can get a Bridgeport, I say go for it.
I do have 220 in the shop so I can convert. The bed is 9x42. 1 hp, 220 3 phase motor. Also I hope the thread title is better.
 

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It's so dirty hard to say. Some sorta weird extension block for the Servo, which is a bummer 'cause you're reaching that much further to get to the handle (which appears reversed for transit - DO NOT crank your X right now)

Grab the table at one end and push/pull - if there's any movement it's worn but you might be able to tighten the gibs

If it runs it's a fine starter machine regardless of how beat up, assuming the price is right.

It's step pulley so just plan to get a VFD
 
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It's so dirty hard to say. Some sorta weird extension block for the Servo, which is a bummer 'cause you're reaching that much further to get to the handle (which appears reversed for transit - DO NOT crank your X right now)

Grab the table at one end and push/pull - if there's any movement it's worn but you might be able to tighten the gibs

If it runs it's a fine starter machine regardless of how beat up, assuming the price is right.

It's step pulley so just plan to get a VFD

Its dirty from sitting. Being from the pattern shop, it probably looks like new underneath the dirt. Those guys are a very picky bunch. To how good of shape it's in, I can't say. It's one of those things that I don't want to ask a lot about it that word gets around at work I want it, if you get where I'm coming from. If I can sign it out, I'll probably get it for somewhere between free and scrap price.
 
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Seeing the handles turned around, head down, and the knee handle taped on I would say someone took a bit of care storing it so that it could be recommissioned if needed. So it was not a "Shove that piece of junk in the corner." kind of a deal. If free to junk price then I'd say go for it. I'd advise that you clean all the ways before moving things. No good can come from moving the table over dirt that may be abrasive and damaging/wearing the ways any more than they may be now.

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It is always worth scrap price.

Looks like a great way to get started and as stated, a clapped out bridgeport to a machinist is usually a tight tolerance bridgeport to us home guys.

I agree that it was put away with care and that probably says a lot about who used it last. Can you talk to them about it as well? That would be where I would start.
 

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Well, you did say "school you" on it, so right off the bat I feel I should mention that, y'know, the uh... head's on upside down. Just thought I should point that out.

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Find out why the pattern shop parked it.
DO NOT move the knee or table at all until the dirt is cleaned off. A locked up knee has resulted in entire mills being scrapped.
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Go ahead and get the mill and put a VFD on it. A teco 510 would be appropriate. It'll be fine if the price is right. It doesn't need to be super tight to make nice parts. They're simple machines and easy to repair.
 

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Around this neck of the woods, if it's at all functional, it would fetch $2000. Much, much better than a table top.

At 2000 lbs., have you considered how you will move it? I bought a similar one last year, and loaded and unloaded it with an engine hoist (cherry picker). To move them, I take the ram turntable off (4 bolts). It is held to the base casting with a cast 'spider'. Move the ram all the way back first, and have the hoist attached to the ram before you remove the bolts. Once the ram/head is off, move the table all the way down and all the way back. Run a strap under the knee, behind the table, and move it with the hoist.

Unless they throw in tooling, you can spend a lot of money very quickly. Vise, collets, cutters, drill chuck, rotary table, etc., etc. Great fun, though! IMHO, every guy should have a mill, a lathe, and a welder.
 

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Around this neck of the woods, if it's at all functional, it would fetch $2000. Much, much better than a table top.

At 2000 lbs., have you considered how you will move it? I bought a similar one last year, and loaded and unloaded it with an engine hoist (cherry picker). To move them, I take the ram turntable off (4 bolts). It is held to the base casting with a cast 'spider'. Move the ram all the way back first, and have the hoist attached to the ram before you remove the bolts. Once the ram/head is off, move the table all the way down and all the way back. Run a strap under the knee, behind the table, and move it with the hoist.

Unless they throw in tooling, you can spend a lot of money very quickly. Vise, collets, cutters, drill chuck, rotary table, etc., etc. Great fun, though! IMHO, every guy should have a mill, a lathe, and a welder.

I realize getting into hobby machining in general is going to to be a hell of a money pit. My thoughts are if I can get the mill for little to nothing, I'm money ahead for tooling. I really didn't have plans on buying anything for 6 months to year as I research the **** out of this idea, but if this mill is available, I'm going to see if I can snag it. So with that orginal time frame, I feel that gives my time to amass tooling slowly. Moving it shouldn't be the worse. I have every option in the world at work to get it on my deck over. Then a slow 30 miles home. From there I'm pretty sure a T300 can fatty grunt it off the trailer into the shop. The hardest part I see is moving the final 10' to the spot I finally pick out for it.
 
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I realize getting into hobby machining in general is going to to be a hell of a money pit. My thoughts are if I can get the mill for little to nothing, I'm money ahead for tooling. I really didn't have plans on buying anything for 6 months to year as I research the **** out of this idea, but if this mill is available, I'm going to see if I can snag it. So with that orginal time frame, I feel that gives my time to amass tooling slowly. Moving it shouldn't be the worse. I have every option in the world at work to get it on my deck over. Then a slow 30 miles home. From there I'm pretty sure a T300 can fatty grunt it off the trailer into the shop. The hardest part I see is moving the final 10' to the spot I finally pick out for it.


The last 10’ are the easiest. Use a pinch bar to lift up one end enough to slip some 1” black pipe under the base. Then just roll into place. As a piece of pipe rolls out from one end move it to the other.
 

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Much much better then a bench top. I just sold my clapped out Bridgeport for $1000. It had lots of way wear. Gibs were shimmed to help with that. I still made good parts on it everyday. Replaced with a bigger heavier Asian machine. Bridgeports are on the lighter duty side but still a good machine.
 

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I realize getting into hobby machining in general is going to to be a hell of a money pit. My thoughts are if I can get the mill for little to nothing, I'm money ahead for tooling. I really didn't have plans on buying anything for 6 months to year as I research the **** out of this idea, but if this mill is available, I'm going to see if I can snag it. So with that orginal time frame, I feel that gives my time to amass tooling slowly. Moving it shouldn't be the worse. I have every option in the world at work to get it on my deck over. Then a slow 30 miles home. From there I'm pretty sure a T300 can fatty grunt it off the trailer into the shop. The hardest part I see is moving the final 10' to the spot I finally pick out for it.

I lifted mine with an engine crane. Took the head and ram off and moved separately to lighten the load. If you don't have experience moving heavy machines find a friend that does. Most important thing is don't be in a hurry take your time stop and think about every move.
 
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With enough heavy duty ratchet straps, it shouldn't blow off.
 

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Build a skid out of 2x4's and 4x4's sized for the mill and a pallet jack. Have your employer place the mill on the skid with a fork lift. Now you can move the machine around easily and safely with a pallet jack. Rent a drop deck trailer from sunbelt (the type they use to move scissor lifts). Also be sure to bring plenty of the large 10,000lb ratchet straps.
 

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Once you clean it abit, the backlash (lost motion) in the X- screw (long axis of the table) is a pretty quick check on general "wear" of the machine. Fully new is probably .010-.020", I've seen well worn versions that had a half-turn of lost motion in the leadscrews. Without a DRO (direct or digital read out) you are reliant on the dials and the leadscrews to position the table. Its not a bad problem...world wars were won on that technology...but the one single accessory that makes an old machine new-er is the DRO. You can always lock up one of the axes and then you are reading direct table position.

As others have mentioned you have a couple of new problems to solve...you have to rig a 2000# machine and you have to power a 3 phase machine. My suggestions for transport are to use forklifts whenever possible, set plywood scraps under the dovetail ram's lower surfaces and pick the machine up right there on the ram's overhanging parts at the top of the column. The center of gravity is low and tipover is unlikely. On a wooden deck trailer, screw 2x4 or 2x6 blocking into the trailer deck to prevent sliding and make all of your straps independent instead of long loops that go over the top and rely on friction between the strap and the paint. Use of the eyebolt (see below) is an excellent point to centralize your tiedowns. Avoid chains at all costs, avoid strapping anything to the table, cushion all sharp edges that contact web straps with multi ply cardboard, old jeans, old bathmats, etc, the web straps will slice amazingly fast in the vibration from the wind.

Pallet jack is excellent, my Bridgeport sits on a triple stack of 2x6s front and rear, one because its more ergonomic for me that way and two because the pallet jack rolls right under should I ever want to adjust its position. At the start I built a rotary phase converter because I wanted to have other machines. A VFD is a good modern option for one single machine but I recommend reconfiguring the OE drum switch to be a 2-wire Start/Stop signal for your motor. IOW don't expect the VFD to act like a standalone phase converter and use the drum switch on the "power" side of the VFD to start and stop the motor by making and breaking all 3 phases. Eventually you will want to configure one of the other drum switch "poles" to be the motor rotation signal so you can use LH drill bits...see below.

One thing that's often discussed is the suitability of using the 5/8-11 tapped hole in the ram to lift the machine. That is how Bridgeport, CT, USA factory moved the machines around their plant, so its fully acceptable to rig the machine from a single point.

The tooling accessories you'll need are a vise (Kurt or knockoffs are preferred), a set of R8 collets, a dial test indicator which is probably 0-15-0 style. A R8 to jacobs chuck setup is very handy, edge tooling should probably include a 115pc black oxide drill index, a 120 deg included solid carbide spot drill, and some 2 flute HSS (high speed steel) endmills, I like the double-ended versions, no need to go larger than 1/2" dia, most of your work can be done with 1/8 thru 3/8". I can't tell you what the sweetest deal on endmills are these days but beware shiny golden TiN coated endmills at low prices because the base material under the coating is pure trash. I'd buy some spiral point taps in either SAE or metric, whatever system you prefer. A few left handed drill bits are super useful in using your new machine to extract broken fasteners.

Edit: forgot to add that you'll need an edge finder to properly locate edges. Starrett makes one, I think the best is the Hermann Schmidt version but its discontinued.
 
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Talked to the boss about it today. I wasn't told to pound sand and he would talk to the department boss about to see if there are any plans for it. He knew which mill I was talking about and agreed it's just been sitting there for a long time. So hopefully have a yay or nay by the end of the week.
 

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Chances are good that they are still depreciating that mill. If it is still on the books they may not want to unload it. I have run into this exact problem before...
 
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Chances are good that they are still depreciating that mill. If it is still on the books they may not want to unload it. I have run into this exact problem before...

I went out to the pattern shop that it came from and nosey a bit. Talking with the lead man, he figures it's one of the old ones from when they bought all new Bridgeports a while ago. He was kind of surprised it was sitting where it is as he figured it would have been melted down with the rest of them since this is a foundry and all.
 
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