Well, I guess you would have beaten me. I took an hour. This morning he messaged me that it was sold. Whether that means withdrawn for a higher price or actually sold I ahve no idea!
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Well, I guess you would have beaten me. I took an hour. This morning he messaged me that it was sold. Whether that means withdrawn for a higher price or actually sold I ahve no idea!
Wasn’t me.
On the scale of suckage, a 450SJ for $45 outscores my 406r for $75 by a long shot.
I wonder how many calls that guy got before he yanked the ad from C/L ?
Keep your eyes open on that deal. It might be re listed soon for a much higher price. That’s a super desirable model so it might go for 10X the money.
You got it for $75? I don't think you were beaten by much if anything!
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RB
Unfortunately, your plan did not work for me! Not only that, I did a reverse haggling! So you might ask yourself what on earth is reverse haggling!
Well last Saturday while we had a snow storm going and temps were dropping like crazy one of my colleagues who lives about 60 miles from me, texted me a photo (see the first photo below) of a vise and stated that there is an estate sale for his mom as she is being moved to a nursing home. And that he has found his dad's (a machinist by trade who died 11 years ago) old vise in the shed! So, since he knew of my addiction he was wondering if I wanted before it goes on sale.
I called him right away and asked how much? He said are you sure? It is pretty rusted. I said regardless, I want it. He said how about $20!
At this point I was conflicted, one half of me wanted to say yes but the little stupid thing called my conscience was nagging me. While we are not close friends, we are colleagues plus it was for his widowed mom. So I offered $100. I guess his conscience was bugging him too, so he kept saying well it is old and rusty, isn't that too much. I said this vise is a lot more valuable than you think and I am very happy with my offer. So we agreed on $100 ( reverse haggling by both sides 
). Because of damn snow and extreme cold I worked from home the whole week until today (my work place is about 60 mile away). But he lives very close to work so last Monday he had brought the vise to work and left it in my office (he had security unlock my office).
Today finally I made it work and this ruggedly handsome 400s was waiting for me. I went to his office to pay him and he was still insisting may be we should knock down the price but I gave him the $100 as we had agreed on, and could not be happier.
With the exceptions of a bit of surface rust, the vise is in mint condition. Nothing include dynamic jaw, swivel locks etc is seized. The jaw inserts are mint condition and there are no cuts, dents and bruises
. The date stamp is Jan 1971.I have a feeling this fella is heading for a great treatment (bead blasting, nickle plating and then powder coating and baking) soon. Four of of my current vises have gone through the same treatment already. A shop King, a 3" bullet, a Parker 955 and a Prentiss 524. You can see the photos of them in my photo album (under my profile).
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gman007
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it looks like it is coming along well
Nice pick up Gman. It looks like you reverse haggled your way into a great deal. I can’t wait to see the after pics.RB
Unfortunately, your plan did not work for me! Not only that, I did a reverse haggling! So you might ask yourself what on earth is reverse haggling!
Well last Saturday while we had a snow storm going and temps were dropping like crazy one of my colleagues who lives about 60 miles from me, texted me a photo (see the first photo below) of a vise and stated that there is an estate sale for his mom as she is being moved to a nursing home. And that he has found his dad's (a machinist by trade who died 11 years ago) old vise in the shed! So, since he knew of my addiction he was wondering if I wanted before it goes on sale.
I called him right away and asked how much? He said are you sure? It is pretty rusted. I said regardless, I want it. He said how about $20!
Because of damn snow and extreme cold I worked from home the whole week until today (my work place is about 60 mile away). But he lives very close to work so last Monday he had brought the vise to work and left it in my office (he had security unlock my office).
Today finally I made it work and this ruggedly handsome 400s was waiting for me. I went to his office to pay him and he was still insisting may be we should knock down the price but I gave him the $100 as we had agreed on, and could not be happier.
With the exceptions of a bit of surface rust, the vise is in mint condition. Nothing include dynamic jaw, swivel locks etc is seized. The jaw inserts are mint condition and there are no cuts, dents and bruises
I have a feeling this fella is heading for a great treatment (bead blasting, nickle plating and then powder coating and baking) soon. Four of of my current vises have gone through the same treatment already. A shop King, a 3" bullet, a Parker 955 and a Prentiss 524. You can see the photos of them in my photo album (under my profile).
Shiftless
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Gman:
Great score, even at $100
You did the right thing reverse haggling.
May I ask why nickel plate if you plan to powder coat?
Great score, even at $100
You did the right thing reverse haggling.
May I ask why nickel plate if you plan to powder coat?
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This was explained to me some years back when I had the first vise (the Shop King) done this way so to best of my recollection here are some of the reasons.
I am certain about the following reasons.
1- To start with obviously not all the parts of the vise are powder coated. Nickel plating is great way to inhibit rust for both the exposed parts such as slide, jaw inserts, swivel locks etc as well as parts that will be powder coated.
2- Nickel is also harder than cast Iron, so it provides surface wear protection for the moving parts as well reducing friction between the moving parts (eg slide).
3- It is also aesthetically pleasing (as far as exposed parts are concerned).
Now here is the part that my memory is a bit fuzzy on but here is what I remember:
4- The powder coating is done using electrostatic spray deposition (ESD) which is typically used to achieve the application of the powder coating to a metal substrate. This application method uses a spray gun, which applies an electrostatic charge to the powder particles, which are then attracted to the grounded part. Nickel has much better electrical conductivity than Iron and supposedly this leads to better adhesion of the charged paint particles to Nickel (this is the part that honestly I am a bit fuzzy on).
PS
Here are some photos of disassembled parts showing Nickle plated and powder coated sections
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Bellaireroad
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Did reed make a 3” vise with the rear swivel jaw?
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Wow Zoom, never seen the toddler clamp on ... congrats
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Looks like it!
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Shiftless
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gman:
(Retired Physics teacher here...)
The electrical conductivity of iron and nickel are only a few percentage points different. That makes that insignificant as a reason. Maybe there is another factor I do not know about.
If you want to check the electrical properties of different metals, go to
Engineeringtoolbox.com
(Retired Physics teacher here...)
The electrical conductivity of iron and nickel are only a few percentage points different. That makes that insignificant as a reason. Maybe there is another factor I do not know about.
If you want to check the electrical properties of different metals, go to
Engineeringtoolbox.com
OK,so who beat me to the nice Wilton 450SJ swivel jaw in the East Bay for $45?
Grrrrrrr......
Swivel jaw Wilton for $45 - that's just wrong...You guys on the west coast are practically buying great vises for scrap metal price.
RB
Unfortunately, your plan did not work for me! Not only that, I did a reverse haggling! So you might ask yourself what on earth is reverse haggling!
Well last Saturday while we had a snow storm going and temps were dropping like crazy one of my colleagues who lives about 60 miles from me, texted me a photo (see the first photo below) of a vise and stated that there is an estate sale for his mom as she is being moved to a nursing home. And that he has found his dad's (a machinist by trade who died 11 years ago) old vise in the shed! So, since he knew of my addiction he was wondering if I wanted before it goes on sale.
I called him right away and asked how much? He said are you sure? It is pretty rusted. I said regardless, I want it. He said how about $20!
Because of damn snow and extreme cold I worked from home the whole week until today (my work place is about 60 mile away). But he lives very close to work so last Monday he had brought the vise to work and left it in my office (he had security unlock my office).
Today finally I made it work and this ruggedly handsome 400s was waiting for me. I went to his office to pay him and he was still insisting may be we should knock down the price but I gave him the $100 as we had agreed on, and could not be happier.
With the exceptions of a bit of surface rust, the vise is in mint condition. Nothing include dynamic jaw, swivel locks etc is seized. The jaw inserts are mint condition and there are no cuts, dents and bruises
I have a feeling this fella is heading for a great treatment (bead blasting, nickle plating and then powder coating and baking) soon. Four of of my current vises have gone through the same treatment already. A shop King, a 3" bullet, a Parker 955 and a Prentiss 524. You can see the photos of them in my photo album (under my profile).
Even though some reading this will think it was crazy to offer more money. $100 for a decent Wilton bullet is still a great deal and I admire your ethics. Been my experience when you take the high road you end up going in a better direction in life.
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oldldh
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My little "What is snow" posting was meant to bring a little humor, to a drastically serious situation...
I was stationed for three winters at Silver Creek Air Force Station, NE...I know what winter is all about...Spent two winters at Montauk AFS, NY, so I know about east coast weather, too...
At Silver Creek, they said there were two barb wire fences between us, and the North Pole...And...One of them was down...
I know about cold...And snow...
And it makes my old joints ache, and I hate shoveling snow...
Ergo...We went South...
I hope everyone made it through the worst of the weather...
Stay warm...
I was stationed for three winters at Silver Creek Air Force Station, NE...I know what winter is all about...Spent two winters at Montauk AFS, NY, so I know about east coast weather, too...
At Silver Creek, they said there were two barb wire fences between us, and the North Pole...And...One of them was down...
I know about cold...And snow...
And it makes my old joints ache, and I hate shoveling snow...
Ergo...We went South...
I hope everyone made it through the worst of the weather...
Stay warm...
JMWAG: porosity? The carbon content of the “iron” may not provide as uniform a deposition substrate as the single-element of the nickel. Wherever graphite spheroids intersect the surface, there’d be a potential pinhole in the powdercoating.
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Hi guys. I pIcked up an emmert three jaw vise (I think it’s a 6a) about a year and a half ago. Traded a case of cheap beer for it. One of the jaws is damaged. But it’s a neat vise. I haven’t used it yet but it makes a cool conversation piece.
I’m new and can’t post pictures yet, otherwise I would post some. Anybody else have some old emmert vises?
I’m new and can’t post pictures yet, otherwise I would post some. Anybody else have some old emmert vises?
I think you at least owe your friend a case of good beer.
gman007
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Shift
Are you sure about the few percentage points different?
The Absolute ELECTRICAL conductivity of Nickel is 1.43x10^7 s/m where as for Iron it is 1.0x10^7 s/m. And relative to copper (being the base at 100) ELECTRICAL conductivity of Nickel is 24-25 vs Iron which is only 17. It seems the difference therefore is over 40% which is not negligible.
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I’m shocked!!!!! Gotta share my Saturday morning glee with you folks. This Reed has been sitting in my shop for two and a half months. First and only EBay vise purchase and was hilarious to see when it arrived. Didn’t know duct tape was allowed on packages with UPS. (I’m thinking the driver put it on just to keep it in some package like form) Sprayed it with PB Blaster, Diesel fuel, and WD 40 randomly since it arrived as well as tapped the custom pin from different angles occasionally when my eyes happened to land on it. Brought it into my wood shop yesterday as the “metal and maintenance “ shop is three sided currently and this morning lag bolted it through the subfloor into a floor joist. Used a needle to scrape around the pin and swivel jaw a bit and then just WD 40 alternating with tapping the pin from all angles with a one and a half pound ball peen hammer. Then used a import 18@ pipe wrench and a eight pound blacksmiths hammer. Second round with the pipe wrench and it spun out! Taken me longer to type this than get that out. Sweet!!! Just needed to share. Josh
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Josh Nice job
! It is always very satisfying to defeat a pesky rusted and seized bolt, pin etc Shiftless
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Re: The VISES of Garage Journalnciples.
Josh: Congrats on freeing up that taper pin. I have struggled greatly with them in the past. The pin on a neglected Reed 406 (not the blue one) only popped out with the help of my friend jziggy
Gman:
You’re right!
I didn’t see that particular chart right away and was looking elsewhere on that huge website. You’ve got the right numbers.
That being said, although I have never operated a powder coating rig, I know the general principles. The device puts a voltage potential of about 50,000 volts maybe more between the part and the gun. Electrostatic force attracts the powder to the part.
I’m pretty sure ANY metal would be plenty able to conduct electrical charge at that voltage.
I understand that they now can powdercoat MDF as long as the moisture content is 5-7 %.
As far a porosity and texture goes, as brought up by LesserSon, that might affect the final appearance of the finish. I read that a powder coat finish is just a few mils thick. Maybe 5.
Concerns about this might mostly depend on the desired surface finish appearance.
Josh: Congrats on freeing up that taper pin. I have struggled greatly with them in the past. The pin on a neglected Reed 406 (not the blue one) only popped out with the help of my friend jziggy
Gman:
You’re right!
I didn’t see that particular chart right away and was looking elsewhere on that huge website. You’ve got the right numbers.
That being said, although I have never operated a powder coating rig, I know the general principles. The device puts a voltage potential of about 50,000 volts maybe more between the part and the gun. Electrostatic force attracts the powder to the part.
I’m pretty sure ANY metal would be plenty able to conduct electrical charge at that voltage.
I understand that they now can powdercoat MDF as long as the moisture content is 5-7 %.
As far a porosity and texture goes, as brought up by LesserSon, that might affect the final appearance of the finish. I read that a powder coat finish is just a few mils thick. Maybe 5.
Concerns about this might mostly depend on the desired surface finish appearance.
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Well whilst it's not as cold outside as in some parts of the USA this weekend I stayed in a finished off the quick tidy up of my new Samsonia Model J
As bought on Friday next to my 4" Irwin (it didn't look that big at the salvage yard!!)
Some measurements for GJ'ers who like to know
6" Jaw Width, 1/2" thick jaws bolted from behind.
No weight measurement as I don't have a suitable scale, but easily 25kg from hefting it about
And after much stripping, sanding and hefting about (I hope to god I never buy a house painted in whatever emulsion the last owner used on it!!)
Not a full restoration just a tidy up as whilst she's in good overall condition there are quite a few "Sin marks" that I don't have the tools to remove effectively, such as on the slide and edges of the jaws.
As bought on Friday next to my 4" Irwin (it didn't look that big at the salvage yard!!)
Some measurements for GJ'ers who like to know
6" Jaw Width, 1/2" thick jaws bolted from behind.
No weight measurement as I don't have a suitable scale, but easily 25kg from hefting it about
And after much stripping, sanding and hefting about (I hope to god I never buy a house painted in whatever emulsion the last owner used on it!!)
Not a full restoration just a tidy up as whilst she's in good overall condition there are quite a few "Sin marks" that I don't have the tools to remove effectively, such as on the slide and edges of the jaws.
You must be living right to have it come out that easy. After I spent several weeks spraying and two days freeing one up, I now pull the pin in and out of my Reed bench vise (that I use in my workshop) about once a month - just to make sure it is not sticking. Your saving grace also might have been that since that does not look to be the original pin, it is probably not as "tight" a fit. Maintenance = OIL in the hole!
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gman007
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Ken
I think you are being too modest! It looks a lot better than not bad and in fact looks great
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Oily Nails
Nice work on the Samsonia, great colour choice. It will weigh 60lb according to the catalogue.
Nice work on the Samsonia, great colour choice. It will weigh 60lb according to the catalogue.
Ken
I think you are being too modest! It looks a lot better than not bad and in fact looks great
Thanks Gman, as usual you're too kind! I've seen the thoroughness and quality of work yourself and some others here use and it's a step above my clean ups.
This afternoon I finished off this American Scale 4-1/2"-er. I must say I am quite impressed with the quality of American Scale vises.
I think my Morgan 145 may have to make way for this guy to be my daily driver.
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Kinda new with vises. I will get pictures up within a week. Just picked them up today.
Any information about them would be good. Value, date, anything. All work but a paint job and some grease would help them all.
Erie Superior No. 44 USA
Columbian no. 04 USA Bent handle.
Columbian 1035 Taiwan
LittlesTown No. 300 USA Needs a handle made.
Picked up a couple others too but no numbers or brand on them just USA on one and Taiwan on the other so have to take pictures.
So now I'm up to 10 vises.
Any information about them would be good. Value, date, anything. All work but a paint job and some grease would help them all.
Erie Superior No. 44 USA
Columbian no. 04 USA Bent handle.
Columbian 1035 Taiwan
LittlesTown No. 300 USA Needs a handle made.
Picked up a couple others too but no numbers or brand on them just USA on one and Taiwan on the other so have to take pictures.
So now I'm up to 10 vises.
Loydski29
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Added a Wilton cadet to my collection today. I did a welding job for a buddy this morning and him knowing my vise addiction the cadet was partial payment for the job. It’s in great condition jaws are 3 1/2” 
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Cleaned up and painted the Yost 104 I got from eBay earlier this week. Went to my local paint shop and had them make me a spray can of the closest thing we could come up with for VA Tech Maroon and a touch up bottle of burnt orange.
Depending on the light it either looks exactly like Tech maroon or it looks way too bright.
Gonna try to find a Tech sticker to put on the dynamic jaw before I give it to my boss for his new shop.
Depending on the light it either looks exactly like Tech maroon or it looks way too bright.
Gonna try to find a Tech sticker to put on the dynamic jaw before I give it to my boss for his new shop.
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Looks to be in great shape. Love my Morgan 150, perfect garage vise IMO. If going to restore, OSHA safety blue will get you factory color.
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Picked up a Wilton 4 inch bullet the other day. Not one of those incredible $$$ west coast deals, but just a good honest vise. I has a 1947 date code.
My question for everyone. The vise has been over painted black, but it seems to have most of the original green paint underneath. I have a fantasy of finding something that would release the newer paint and leave the green original. Tried mineral spirits, acetone, and lacquer thinner which really did not do anything. Steel wood removes the black, but a lot of work to steel wool the whole vise and it does also effect the green underneath. I am guessing this is enamel paint? I do wonder if they baked on the color at the factory so, like a car, it might be tougher than the newer paint?
Any recommendations of something I might try to remove the newer outer paint and leave the original underneath? Anyone know what the best current paint match for the 1947 Wilton green is - not sure I would go that route, but I appreciate vises with the original color.
My question for everyone. The vise has been over painted black, but it seems to have most of the original green paint underneath. I have a fantasy of finding something that would release the newer paint and leave the green original. Tried mineral spirits, acetone, and lacquer thinner which really did not do anything. Steel wood removes the black, but a lot of work to steel wool the whole vise and it does also effect the green underneath. I am guessing this is enamel paint? I do wonder if they baked on the color at the factory so, like a car, it might be tougher than the newer paint?
Any recommendations of something I might try to remove the newer outer paint and leave the original underneath? Anyone know what the best current paint match for the 1947 Wilton green is - not sure I would go that route, but I appreciate vises with the original color.
What about a short soaking with a cloth with simple green soaked on it. I believe I saw some one do this with a Blackhawk tool box some one had sprayed od green over the factory red finish. Either way I’d like to know other people’s thoughts on this as I do not have much personal experience on this subject.
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va.grouseman
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Nice one Ryan.---Perfect size, excellent condition as far as I can tell.---A real keeper.