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Reed 103. It got a quick wirewheel and brass brush when I unloaded it but I need to decide which of these products to use next (Evaporust or Rustoleum Rust Dissolver) before it gets prepped for paint.

It moves smooth as can be surprisingly. Did not see any cracks or big damage. I’ll post again once it’s completed, either here or the vise repair thread.
 

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Holy smokes, after seeing that catalogue page I really want an American Red Seal #68, anyone ever seen one?
This pic has been discussed on here a few times. The caption on pinterest says it's a 9" jaw and weighs 400lbs. No one knows what it is for sure but that yellow measuring stick is 32" long and the vise is clearly longer. A monster for sure!

If American Scale did build a 9" vise it's probably only matched or eclipsed by Reed 109/209, Hollands 19/29 and the Erie Tool Works 9" and 10" vises.bef02b0df221b9d279060fb3d4597f6c.jpg

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tool_scrounge, I have seen a dove tail broken in the back side because the slider was opened where it was inside the Static then pressure is applied on the Dynamic and with no support on the square slider the nut takes all the stress. Adding a cap screw underneath is one way to fix it. It is what you are comfortable with on what kind of repair you do. Here is a way I fixed a 6-1/2" Parker with broken out dove-tails. Maybe someone else has another method.

There was someone else here recently had an AS no. 79 and it too had a broken dovetail. Perhaps common to the make *shrug*
 

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Reed 103. It got a quick wirewheel and brass brush when I unloaded it but I need to decide which of these products to use next (Evaporust or Rustoleum Rust Dissolver) before it gets prepped for paint.

It moves smooth as can be surprisingly. Did not see any cracks or big damage. I’ll post again once it’s completed, either here or the vise repair thread.

I’m a big fan of Evaporust. With that, you could have skipped the wire brushing and it would have removed all of the rust including rust in places inaccessible to wire brushes. Put your parts into a strong plastic bag, fill the bag with Evaporust, close and suspend the bag in a 5 gal bucket of warm water.

It’s simpler to fill the 5 gal bucket with Evaporust, but that’s almost $100 worth.
As you know, it’s reusable many times over. It will last longer if you mechanically remove the loose rust first.
 

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This pic has been discussed on here a few times. The caption on pinterest says it's a 9" jaw and weighs 400lbs. No one knows what it is for sure but that yellow measuring stick is 32" long and the vise is clearly longer. A monster for sure!

If American Scale did build a 9" vise it's probably only matched or eclipsed by Reed 109/209, Hollands 19/29 and the Erie Tool Works 9" and 10" vises.bef02b0df221b9d279060fb3d4597f6c.jpg

"American Scale No.69"...The beast exists!

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I’m a big fan of Evaporust. With that, you could have skipped the wire brushing and it would have removed all of the rust including rust in places inaccessible to wire brushes. Put your parts into a strong plastic bag, fill the bag with Evaporust, close and suspend the bag in a 5 gal bucket of warm water.

It’s simpler to fill the 5 gal bucket with Evaporust, but that’s almost $100 worth.
As you know, it’s reusable many times over.

Thank you for suggestion. I thought about those products right after I finished with the brass brush by hand, and went out and bought them both (2 ga. of Evaporust). I will get the main screw out and then get it all soaking in Evaporust. Have never used either.
 

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"American Scale No.69"...The beast exists!



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Fierljeppen strikes again!

Seriously though, thank you sir for all your hard work hunting these old catalog scans down. My own "Vise Catalog Info" folder is nearing 200 images and I'll bet 50 of the harder to find ones are from your posts!

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NE Indoor/ Outdoor Swap today. Not the deal of a lifetime. But it’s not been abused. Will clean up well.
Asking $40, Paid $30. Please chime in it’s age.
Better , nicer , bigger Vises around here. Will hopefully be a restoration project for a younger member of family and myself.
 

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I picked up a Reed 206 R with a swivel base a couple days ago. In great condition but it has been painted. I figure it must weight close to 150 pounds. Can't find much information on this vise, and Reed has a confusing way of naming their models- I figure the "6" in "206" means 6" jaws, but where do the 2C and 4C and 106 fit into the picture. Is there a resource that lists the different models and their specifications?
I don't see a date on this thing. Is there a way of identifying the year of production? What is the value of a 206R?
 

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Craftfab
I use the stuff a lot.
The Evaporust chemically changes rust to loose carbon which rinses away by brushing under running water. Just make sure to thoroughly dry the parts afterwards with heat and apply primer or boiled linseed oil or ??? to prevent flash rusting.

Jeffyhog:
The Reed 4C has pipe jaws and 6 inch wide jaw faces. It is a true beast. The 2 C (with 4. 1/2 inch jaws) you asked about is just a scaled down model but will still fill the needs of 99% of us.
If you want swivel jaw as well as swivel base, look for a 406 or 406r.
 
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Fierljeppen strikes again!

Seriously though, thank you sir for all your hard work hunting these old catalog scans down. My own "Vise Catalog Info" folder is nearing 200 images and I'll bet 50 of the harder to find ones are from your posts!

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I'd love to have access to these catalogue scans. Is there anywhere I can download them?

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Milhoff all steel vise, combo double swiveler. Love it or hate it ...

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Remember ...

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EDIT: Maybe Fierljeppen doesn't have this one yet


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I'd love to have access to these catalogue scans. Is there anywhere I can download them?

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The majority of these I've saved right from posts in this thread. Whenever someone posts one I don't have I generally save it to my phone. The rest have simply come from Google searching.

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I picked up a Reed 206 R with a swivel base a couple days ago. In great condition but it has been painted. I figure it must weight close to 150 pounds. Can't find much information on this vise, and Reed has a confusing way of naming their models- I figure the "6" in "206" means 6" jaws, but where do the 2C and 4C and 106 fit into the picture. Is there a resource that lists the different models and their specifications?
I don't see a date on this thing. Is there a way of identifying the year of production? What is the value of a 206R?
106 would be a stationary base 6" jaw, 206 obviously is the swivel base variety. Your 150lb guess is likely within 5lbs of it's actual weight. The "R" series Reeds were generally classified by their threaded split nut method of retaining the screw. The "R" series Reed vises are commonly regarded as one of the best built vises ever made. It's also been all but determined recently that most of them indeed have a date stamp on the side of the dynamic jaw which may take a bit of scrubbing to uncover.

Congrats and enjoy it!

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106 would be a stationary base 6" jaw, 206 obviously is the swivel base variety. Your 150lb guess is likely within 5lbs of it's actual weight. The "R" series Reeds were generally classified by their threaded split nut method of retaining the screw. The "R" series Reed vises are commonly regarded as one of the best built vises ever made. It's also been all but determined recently that most of them indeed have a date stamp on the side of the dynamic jaw which may take a bit of scrubbing to uncover.

Congrats and enjoy it!

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Thanks for the information! Here's a picture of the vice. I've been looking for a big vice for a while. Looked at a few that were really beat up, and lots that were way out of my price range. A guy listed a Beverly shear on Craigslist a couple days ago and I went to get it. He was selling off his father's things and I saw that he had a bunch of vises.

This one looked to be in the best condition and the largest. He had another 206R, but not in as nice condition. He had a nice large chain drive post vise as well, but he didn't know what he wanted, and I had no idea what to offer.
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Guys I caved.. I’ve always wanted a York 125 or 150. Well a guy in Canada found an unopened 40 year old crate with York 100 and 125’s in it. He filmed the opening of the crate and listed 2 of the vises on eBay. I couldn’t help myself and bought the York 125, with the exchange rate to Canadian dollars in my favor I got what I consider an amazing deal for a brand new, never used 40 year old vise.

Here’s a couple of the pictures, I can’t wait to get it!

FYI, he still has a York 100 that came from the same crate for sale if anyone is interested.

Link to the uncrating for anyone interested:


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Guys I caved.. I’ve always wanted a York 125 or 150. Well a guy in Canada found an unopened 40 year old crate with York 100 and 125’s in it. He filmed the opening of the crate and listed 2 of the vises on eBay. I couldn’t help myself and bought the York 125, with the exchange rate to Canadian dollars in my favor I got what I consider an amazing deal for a brand new, never used 40 year old vise.

Here’s a couple of the pictures, I can’t wait to get it!

FYI, he still has a York 100 that came from the same crate for sale if anyone is interested.

Link to the uncrating for anyone interested:


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That's so cool! Watched the video- its amazing that those have been setting around in the crates all these years!
 

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Juat a phenomenal job on that Millhoff. As I love to say, its the only vise in my shop I wont sell. Welcome to the club!!!!
 

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I'm the proud new owner of this beauty and couldn't be happier. Big thanks to Mr Wonderful for making my dream a reality.........john

John, Im so glad it went to someone that will enjoy it. It made it that much easier for me to let go of that beauty. Here is the before and after pictures if you would like them. You can see the two cans of blue paint was not an exaggeration.:lol_hitti
 

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Hello,

I got this from my grandpa's shop. I'm sure it's old, just not sure HOW old. It was his, it works, and it's cool.

My question is - in what order do I mount it? That large square flat piece (numbered 3 in my pic) seems to have 2 different holes that the vice could mount through. Am i correct in that? Why 2 holes?

Also, is that round, flat disc even part of the vise? It's labeled Eagle wood turning.
 

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That looks to me like something from the Meadville vise co. That company turned into Yost sometime around 1910 if I’m not mistaken.
So your gramps vise dates to the turn of the century and is a wonderful survivor that deserves preservation. Please don’t bead blast it and paint it bright red. Gentle cleaning with dilute simple green or similiar product, then dry thoroughly and rub on some boiled linseed oil to retard rust and give it a well cared for appearance.

That chunk of wood probably acted as a spacer to compensate for a less than super thick work bench or table.

You’re luck to still have the big wing nut. Those are often lost.

The metal disc is to assist with the lock down when that big wing nut is tightened to prevent unwanted swiveling while the vise is in use. They are called Swivel Base Plate. Factory? I doubt it. Original ones have holes to screw down to the bench. Yours has a big slot. But I defer final judgement until others more knowledgeable than I have a chance to respond to your questions.

I have a couple of vises like that with the through the bench mount. They have a grooved metal plate that goes between the vise body and the bench top.

If I were you, I wouldn’t use that vise for any heavy duty work but give it a place of honor and possibly an opportunity to perform easy tasks befitting its age.

You have one or two other vises to do the “heavy lifting” right? :)
 
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That looks to me like something from the Meadville vise co. That company turned into Yost sometime around 1910 if I’m not mistaken.
So your gramps vise dates to the turn of the century and is a wonderful survivor that deserves preservation. Please don’t bead blast it and paint it bright red. Gentle cleaning with dilute simple green or similiar product, then dry thoroughly and rub on some boiled linseed oil to retard rust and give it a well cared for appearance.

That chunk of wood probably acted as a spacer to compensate for a less than super thick work bench or table.

You’re luck to still have the big wing nut. Those are often lost.

The metal disc is to assist with the lock down when that big wing nut is tightened to prevent unwanted swiveling while the vise is in use. They are called Swivel Base Plate. Factory? I doubt it. Original ones have holes to screw down to the bench. Yours has a big slot. But I defer final judgement until others more knowledgeable than I have a chance to respond to your questions.

I have a couple of vises like that with the through the bench mount. They have a grooved metal plate that goes between the vise body and the bench top.

If I were you, I wouldn’t use that vise for any heavy duty work but give it a place of honor and possibly an opportunity to perform easy tasks befitting its age.

You have one or two other vises to do the “heavy lifting” right? :)


Thanks. I don't do metal work anyway, so it'll be used lightly. Good tips on how to refresh it though - I'd rather make it look as it did new vs a bright red finish.

A couple notes/questions:

1. In the pictures below, I'm trying to figure which order everything goes in when I install? Does the flat disc (part 4) essentially act as a large "washer" underneath the bench?

2. That big rectangle (part labeled 3) is 3/4" thick steel, not wood. I'm thinking that goes on top of the bench, and the vice sits right on it, right?

3. Why does part 3 have 2 large holes in it? Multiple options for mounting the vise?

4. Am I missing something? Why is there a circular indentation in par 3 that is round, but not large enough to accommodate the base of the vise? It doesn't sit down in that recess.
 

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You seem to be missing the original metal plate that screws down to the top of your workbench onto which the vise body sits. That plate has a machined recess to accept the protruding portion of the bottom of your vise. You could make a new one out of wood painted black if you lack access to a machine shop.

Your part 2 goes under the bench and acts as a washer between the bottom of your bench and the wing nut.

The big flat piece I suppose fits best on top of the bench and under the vise body. The extra steel disc might be useful and it might not. Try it and see where it best fits...maybe underneath will work the best. It is not factory original and no doubt used to have a purpose for fitting to the old workbench which I suppose is long gone.

The parts you have appear to be a pretty good attempt at making a piece to serve the same purpose. I can’t see any reason for the second hole.
Just screw it down to your bench and see if it functions adequately. Sure it’s funky but it’s history and it’s sentimental. If you’re like me, that is important.

There is a vise parts wanted thread here on GJ but good luck finding the exact part you need. :)

Here is a picture of my Reed 31 which is from the same era. Note the mounting ears on the swivel base plate for attaching to your bench. That plate has radial grooves to mate with ears on the bottom of the vise body to lock it into position.
Next to my vise under the dynamic support shelf is the big washer that goes under the bench before screwing on the cast wing nut.

For the regular readers here, you might remember the story of this Reed 31 that I rescued from a neighborhood dumpster. It was completely covered in rust and locked up tight.
 

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Thanks for the kudos fellas. I would recommend one of these Milhoff's to just about everyone.

Kevin, I hope you are right because I am needing to finish off a replaceable jaw Reed 1C for my Dad, and this one is going to be 100% show pony. So I hope the stars align, will be happy if I can pull it all off as hoped. Going to be another "purple" color (like my last 1C) but a few twists and turns. Let's just say the vintage US muscle car guys will probably like this one ;)

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Shift, yep, pretty sure when this project fully ripens/comes to fruition that some will think it is peachy but others will think I'm a coconut. Surely there will be a bountiful harvest of commentary ;)

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Bedn, I agree with Shift.---I think the 3/4'' steel plate and the big slotted washer are scrap pile retrofitting's.---I've done it many times with various projects.---[Your in the middle of a job, the tool you need is missing parts, you don't have the where-with-all to machine a part nor the time so its off to the scrap pile].---Its not the missing part, it's not an exact fit, it's not back to original condition, but it will work.---The project continues.
 

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Picked this little guy up, has anyone seen one of these? It’s a Parker No. 30, I’ve seen 31 and 32 but never one of these.

It’s a real heavyweight coming in at 9.5 lbs with 2 5/8” jaw width. One of the pictures it is sitting next to a Wilton 4.5” vise just for scale! It’s in perfect condition, even the serrated jaws are still perfect. To be honest I’m not sure it’s ever been mounted to a bench.. I’ve never seen a smaller Parker in my travels so I had to ****** it up!


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Hello,

I got this from my grandpa's shop. I'm sure it's old, just not sure HOW old. It was his, it works, and it's cool.

My question is - in what order do I mount it? That large square flat piece (numbered 3 in my pic) seems to have 2 different holes that the vice could mount through. Am i correct in that? Why 2 holes?

Also, is that round, flat disc even part of the vise? It's labeled Eagle wood turning.

I found a couple mentions of Eagle Wood Turning Co 338 S Clinton Street Chicago IL in Google Books from around 1920. Looks like they made some components for lamps.

What is the patent date on that Meadville vise? June 9 1891? That would be James O Barrett’s patent number 453793. Apparently also produced by JS&Co. That example has a different wingnut, but maybe it could give you some ideas for assembly.
 
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Smitty has been quiet, too quiet ... sorta makes me think that he's on the road and we are going to be seeing a new gem or two posted on here pretty shortly

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