Dewalt 40v Officially DISCONTINUED

[Handyandy23]

For what it costs to buy the adaptor & two new batteries, I could just buy new Milwaukee kit.

You could also buy the adapter for under $50 and then a DeWalt kit, and get new batteries and still be able to use all of your old tools instead of throwing them in the garbage.

Everyone seems to think Milwaukee is so much better than DeWalt because the new batteries are backwards compatible with the older tools, but you still have to buy their newer batteries too. The only "extra" cost with DW is the $50 for the DCA1820 adapter.

Am I missing something?

 

[Handyandy23]

I really don't understand all the Milwaukee love here. They also came out with an 18v lithium platform (V18), and then promptly abandoned it. Everyone had to go ahead and buy new tools and new batteries. People have short memories, I guess.

DeWalt has had a lot of battery platforms, which is unfortunate. They seem very committed to their 20V and 60V systems now, and do offer adapters for their old 18v tools.

Ryobi obviously offers the best "longevity" since you can use the same batteries in everything. Makita also should get an honorable mention for using the same LXT 18v battery for 12 years now.

I think it's just classic "fanboying". I'm not saying Milwaukee doesn't make a good tool, but I don't think they're any better than any of the other major players. Everyone likes to jump on a bandwagon and right now Milwaukee is the favorite cordless.

What personally bothers me about Milwaukee is that they kind of force you into two different battery lines. I made out a list of the cordless tools I want, or would possibly want in the near future, and there was no way I could get around investing in both M12 and M18 tools. So right off the bat I have double the batteries and chargers.

DeWalt you may need an adapter to run older tools with newer batteries, but all of their current tools (with exception of these 40V OPE's) use the same batteries. I also just found for myself, and my intended uses, I liked the DW tools better, and they are more readily available at better prices.

I also find it a bit curious that, for a forum that harps so much on COO and insisting on Made in USA sockets and wrenches, that there is so much love for a Chinese-based company over an American-based one. This is pretty low down my own list of 'things that I care about', but I just think it's funny that argument is used so often to promote certain tools that people like, but then vanishes when it goes against something someone likes.

 

[bdbecker]

How is this reported conversation considered "Official", spelled with a capital "O"?

The only other reference to this Official news that I found on the internet is another post by firefighter5145, that said the same thing quoted below as is quoted above, with the additional claim of this Official bad news being "confirmed":

Since these two posts are all that can be found, and since these two posts are firefighter5145's only two posts on GJ, how does one independently "confirm" an "official" announcement that has not been made by DeWalt?

Even more cynically, how does one distinguish a member with zero post history, despite having registered 3 years ago, from a corporate agent working on behalf of TTI with the goal of introducing doubt in the longevity of support for a competitor's brand in a tool category (cordless OPE) that is set to explode this spring (and indeed is already exploding), as broad market acceptance has finally metastasized into a categorical shift toward battery power in the garden?...

I'm surprised nobody commented or reacted to this post - this is a really good point. I totally wasn't paying attention to his post count/history. Firefighter - if you are a real person, it would be a good idea to address these comments.

 

[Farmall450]

For what it costs to buy the adaptor & two new batteries, I could just buy new Milwaukee kit.

Or a new DeWalt kit.
No one pays full sticker price.

 

[Farmall450]

I think it's just classic "fanboying". I'm not saying Milwaukee doesn't make a good tool, but I don't think they're any better than any of the other major players. Everyone likes to jump on a bandwagon and right now Milwaukee is the favorite cordless.

What personally bothers me about Milwaukee is that they kind of force you into two different battery lines. I made out a list of the cordless tools I want, or would possibly want in the near future, and there was no way I could get around investing in both M12 and M18 tools. So right off the bat I have double the batteries and chargers.

DeWalt you may need an adapter to run older tools with newer batteries, but all of their current tools (with exception of these 40V OPE's) use the same batteries. I also just found for myself, and my intended uses, I liked the DW tools better, and they are more readily available at better prices.

I also find it a bit curious that, for a forum that harps so much on COO and insisting on Made in USA sockets and wrenches, that there is so much love for a Chinese-based company over an American-based one. This is pretty low down my own list of 'things that I care about', but I just think it's funny that argument is used so often to promote certain tools that people like, but then vanishes when it goes against something someone likes.

Yes, especially w/ DeWalt rolling out tons of Made/Assembled in USA tools now. Perhaps you said it best...memories are short.

 

[Farmall450]

Yeah.. Putting that adapter and then the lithium battery make any older Dewalt nicad look and feel like a Frankenstein power tool..
Havd yu seen how Dewalt just is giving up on the 12v line, to be soon discontinued any day?? A smart Dewalt 12v collection would be to sell it before its valued to ZERO.

I don't hate Dewalt, just can't stand a company who abondons loyal customers to make more $$$. I still have some old Dewalt 9.6v, 14 volt... All relics now. Never mind the old collection of 18 nicad that I firesaled them.. Never again Dewalt..never getting my $$$ again.
Hello Milwaukee and happy camper... Both 18 and 12v..tons of tools in almost all trades.

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You do realize every brand that's been around more than 10 years has "abandoned" their customers with...new technology to stay competitive?

 

[finn]

You do realize every brand that's been around more than 10 years has "abandoned" their customers with...new technology to stay competitive?

I agree.

Some of you guys should still be using a brace and bit and a handsaw, if you can’t handle change and new technology.

I stopped by the local tool store yesterday and was amazed at the inventory of obsolete battery tools from all manufacturers as well as the piles of heavy, obsolete corded tools from the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, and two thousands.

Decades of change, and none with the technology and capability of current tools, let alone what’s coming down the pike.

I just don’t get the indignation that arises when change occurs.

 

[American Locomotive]

I just don’t get the indignation that arises when change occurs.

Because a lot of these battery format changes are completely arbitrary, and unrelated to the "march of progress".

A motor is a motor. As long as it gets near enough its expected voltage, it doesn't care. Ryobi understood this with their One+ Lithium batteries that work in their entire lineup of tools. The funny thing is, TTI owns both Ryobi and Milwaukee, and the same people certainly work on both product lines. However they knew the Ryobi buyers (who tend to be more budget conscious) would likely abandon ship to a different brand if they had to buy all new tools to get lithium batteries.

Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita could have easily made lithium systems compatible with their old NiCd tools, but they didn't.

 

[finn]

Because a lot of these battery format changes are completely arbitrary, and unrelated to the "march of progress".

A motor is a motor. As long as it gets near enough its expected voltage, it doesn't care. Ryobi understood this with their One+ Lithium batteries that work in their entire lineup of tools. The funny thing is, TTI owns both Ryobi and Milwaukee, and the same people certainly work on both product lines. However they knew the Ryobi buyers (who tend to be more budget conscious) would likely abandon ship to a different brand if they had to buy all new tools to get lithium batteries.

Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita could have easily made lithium systems compatible with their old NiCd tools, but they didn't.

The old Dewalt NiCad battery had the large center post. The new Lithium batteries have a sled runner design battery, clearly a more compact and technically superior design.

Retaining the old, bulky battery envelope for backward compatibility reason, and abandoning any attempt to improve ergonomics would have been, in my opinion, foolish.

As said, Dewalt does offer a solution, at minimal cost, for those that want to keep their old school tools. Just buy the adaptor.

None of the Milwaukee ra ra crowd has an answer for the Chinese manufacturing, do they?

Full disclosure: I have Milwaukee, Dewalt, and Bosch. Mostly Dewalt because of the backward compatibility with the introduction of the flexvolt batteries. Works great on the SDS plus drills and cordless circular saws.

 

[Handyandy23]

Because a lot of these battery format changes are completely arbitrary, and unrelated to the "march of progress".

A motor is a motor. As long as it gets near enough its expected voltage, it doesn't care. Ryobi understood this with their One+ Lithium batteries that work in their entire lineup of tools. The funny thing is, TTI owns both Ryobi and Milwaukee, and the same people certainly work on both product lines. However they knew the Ryobi buyers (who tend to be more budget conscious) would likely abandon ship to a different brand if they had to buy all new tools to get lithium batteries.

Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita could have easily made lithium systems compatible with their old NiCd tools, but they didn't.

AFAIK Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita all have adapters for NiCd to lithium batteries, so it isn't like they have made it impossible for users. There's also nothing stopping people from continuing to use those tools with the NiCd batteries they already had.

I would venture to guess that the decision to have unique batteries (and offer adapters) was a conscious one to maximize the designs. I have some of the Ryobi lithium tools and the batteries are larger and heavier than the competition. Adding that long stem and extra length of conductive material seems to add some weight to the batteries. Ryobi customers are more budget conscious and less performance oriented, so the added weight is probably not a big concern. However Milwaukee / DeWalt / Makita are more aimed at professionals with max performance and lowest weight.

In the marketing fight of who has the lighter tools, I'm sure nobody wanted to concede a few extra ounces per battery when they could minimize material and mass and just offer an adapter for those that want to go that route.

 

[dma88]

The Ridgid 18V slide type batteries (purchased in kits back in 2003 and recently replaced under the Lifetime Service Agreement - with a simple phone call) from my very first Ridgid cordless tools fit all of my newer Ridgid stuff. However some of the newer, higher capacity Ridgid batteries (i.e. 9Ahr) are beginning to have minor fitment issues in some of the older tools. I even own a few of the Ridgid MaxSelect tools that would run on both 18V and 24V batteries. There was a much smaller uproar when Ridgid cancelled the 24V line several years ago.

Techtronic Industries (TTI Group) is the parent company of Milwaukee, Ridgid and Ryobi (with several other smaller brands) and seems to have a decent strategy of good, better, best to cater to different segments of the power tool market.

Companies make decisions every day based on market dynamics. We don't have to like it but the reality is publicly held companies cater to the shareholders first and foremost - happy customers are great but happy shareholders are where corporate is focused.

Bottom line for me, tools are to be used (not abused) and when they no longer do what I need to do, I'll figure out what direction to go to keep moving forward. Lastly, it's a great time to be a tool junkie...so many different quality options out there

 

[American Locomotive]

AFAIK Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita all have adapters for NiCd to lithium batteries, so it isn't like they have made it impossible for users. There's also nothing stopping people from continuing to use those tools with the NiCd batteries they already had.

The only one with an official adapter is DeWalt. Other adapters for other brands are made by 3rd parties - they're usually 3D printed.

 

[ZRX61]

Am I missing something?

Newer tools, less likely to **** the bed, same cost, warranty. I've had this 18v stuff for years.

 

[Farmall450]

And have far better and more powerful tools with a great warranty

Doubtful, at best.

 

[Farmall450]

Because a lot of these battery format changes are completely arbitrary, and unrelated to the "march of progress".

A motor is a motor. As long as it gets near enough its expected voltage, it doesn't care. Ryobi understood this with their One+ Lithium batteries that work in their entire lineup of tools. The funny thing is, TTI owns both Ryobi and Milwaukee, and the same people certainly work on both product lines. However they knew the Ryobi buyers (who tend to be more budget conscious) would likely abandon ship to a different brand if they had to buy all new tools to get lithium batteries.

Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita could have easily made lithium systems compatible with their old NiCd tools, but they didn't.

I mean, DeWalt did via DCA1820

The only one with an official adapter is DeWalt. Other adapters for other brands are made by 3rd parties - they're usually 3D printed.

^ yet, via some convoluted and peculiar logic, DeWalt is the only one to have abandoned their customers. Yet, stores still have/had 18v DeWalt stuff (but not old style Milwaukee) until now by me, meaning you'll see lingering ones on the shelf...nearly a decade after the new line came out.

 

[Strouty]

You do realize every brand that's been around more than 10 years has "abandoned" their customers with...new technology to stay competitive?

Milwaukee V28 was introduced in 2005 and is still going. The V18 was a total screw up, but M18 has been around since 2008 and I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

 

[Farmall450]

Milwaukee V28 was introduced in 2005 and is still going. The V18 was a total screw up, but M18 has been around since 2008 and I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

Not sure what you're trying to get at here -- Milwaukee has and will continue to end lines when the technology is there for another. You, yourself, listed an example.

Shocking how brand loyalty is blinding people from, fairly obvious, conclusions -- changes due to technological advantages are unavoidable, less the company should fail. Just ask Blockbuster, Polariod/Kodak. Sure, people are still drilling holes -- but they aren't doing it with Makitas and built in battery packs anymore

 

[MarkyMark]

I have most of the 40v line. I bought the line trimmer, chainsaw, and extendable hedge trimmer last year. The line is now discontinued, confirmed by the computer systems of two local big box stores. I decided to double down and buy the small hedge trimmer and a spare line trimmer because they were both half price. It was less expensive to buy them with battery and charger than a battery alone. Time will tell if I made the right choice.

I am disappointed at how short the lifespan of this line was. Just a couple of years is pretty terrible.

 

[Farmall450]

I have most of the 40v line. I bought the line trimmer, chainsaw, and extendable hedge trimmer last year. The line is now discontinued, confirmed by the computer systems of two local big box stores. I decided to double down and buy the small hedge trimmer and a spare line trimmer because they were both half price. It was less expensive to buy them with battery and charger than a battery alone. Time will tell if I made the right choice.

I am disappointed at how short the lifespan of this line was. Just a couple of years is pretty terrible.

You'll get your money out of them. I think you made the right choice, b/c batteries will be available for a long time. Heck, they still sell 18v ones.

 

[All]

I'm surprised nobody commented or reacted to this post - this is a really good point. I totally wasn't paying attention to his post count/history. Firefighter - if you are a real person, it would be a good idea to address these comments.

I am surprised as well, especially since DeWalt doesn't publish a telephone number to contact them on the "Contact Us" links on the DeWalt tool website.

Instead, DeWalt presents a fillable contact form, where one is required (with an *asterisk*) to fully disclose their First Name, Last Name, Email Address, Confirm email address, Telephone Number, Street Address, City, State, and Zip Code... before being able to submit a question. All fields are required to be completed.

The only other Contact Us option that DeWalt offers on their website is Live Chat. There, only First Name, Last Name, and valid Email address is required to connect to a live agent. Only I've been "holding while we connect you to a live agent" now for at least 30 minutes, with no response, and no sign of a response forthcoming.

So I'd like to know how the OP, with only two posts to his name, both of which are solely to announce, in two different threads no less, that DeWalt has "Officially" discontinued the 40v product line, and that this discontinuance has been "Confirmed." The OP speaks of having a chat with a DeWalt rep.

Was this chat online? Or on the phone? Or in person?

Still holding "while we connect you to an agent", I began searching the internet, rather than DeWalt's website, for a DeWalt phone number to call. Fortunately, there are independent websites that collect and aggregate this kind information, knowing that corporations are trying to reduce customer service contact by putting up hurdles and barriers to engagement with their customers, and further making unnecessary demands for disclosure of private information as as a precondition to the provision of any answer. Think about it... do we know anything about the person on the other end of the line, on the other side of the chat, or on the reading end of our email?

Anyway, the DeWalt phone number I found is 1 800-433-9258. I called it, and reached a recorded message identifying it was indeed a DeWalt number, but that I had reached it after hours. I called at 4 pm.

Again, I don't own any DeWalt tools, and have no skin in this game... but I also wouldn't want to see GJ'rs being gamed by operatives working on behalf of a competing brand. We do have another "confirmation" by "MarkyMark"... but with a post count of one, where the post echoes the OP's... that once again does not rule out a coordinated effort to influence a self fulfilling prophecy.

If enough people believe that a line is discontinued, then the line will eventually become discontinued (self fulfilling prophecy) due to lack of sales, as people do not like to buy into an orphaned battery platform that gets no new development, no new tools that do different things, no improved models to existing tools, no new enhancements with technologies like brushless motors and wireless communications, and no new manufacturing of batteries when the old ones reach their cycle limit, and repair parts limited to current stock on hand until depletion.

I'm not going so far as to say that what Firefighter5145 and MarkyMark posted is a fabrication. I'm just saying that under the circumstances (no other posts but these "announcements"), a prudent buyer would likely want to discover more tangible evidence of the status of DeWalt's 40V line.

Those of you who may be interested or effected might want to call 1 800-433-9258 yourself. I won't... I'm STILL waiting for a DeWalt live chat agent, for now almost an hour. I'm curious, but not so interested as to spend my limited cellphone minutes on the inquiry. If enough of you call, perhaps DeWalt will take notice.

 

[Farmall450]

I am surprised as well, especially since DeWalt doesn't publish a telephone number to contact them on the "Contact Us" links on the DeWalt tool website.

Instead, DeWalt presents a fillable contact form, where one is required (with an *asterisk*) to fully disclose their First Name, Last Name, Email Address, Confirm email address, Telephone Number, Street Address, City, State, and Zip Code... before being able to submit a question. All fields are required to be completed.

The only other Contact Us option that DeWalt offers on their website is Live Chat. There, only First Name, Last Name, and valid Email address is required to connect to a live agent. Only I've been "holding while we connect you to a live agent" now for at least 30 minutes, with no response, and no sign of a response forthcoming.

So I'd like to know how the OP, with only two posts to his name, both of which are solely to announce, in two different threads no less, that DeWalt has "Officially" discontinued the 40v product line, and that this discontinuance has been "Confirmed." The OP speaks of having a chat with a DeWalt rep.

Was this chat online? Or on the phone? Or in person?

Still holding "while we connect you to an agent", I began searching the internet, rather than DeWalt's website, for a DeWalt phone number to call. Fortunately, there are independent websites that collect and aggregate this kind information, knowing that corporations are trying to reduce customer service contact by putting up hurdles and barriers to engagement with their customers, and further making unnecessary demands for disclosure of private information as as a precondition to the provision of any answer. Think about it... do we know anything about the person on the other end of the line, on the other side of the chat, or on the reading end of our email?

Anyway, the DeWalt phone number I found is 1 800-433-9258. I called it, and reached a recorded message identifying it was indeed a DeWalt number, but that I had reached it after hours. I called at 4 pm.

Again, I don't own any DeWalt tools, and have no skin in this game... but I also wouldn't want to see GJ'rs being gamed by operatives working on behalf of a competing brand. We do have another "confirmation" by "MarkyMark"... but with a post count of one, where the post echoes the OP's... that once again does not rule out a coordinated effort to influence a self fulfilling prophecy.

If enough people believe that a line is discontinued, then the line will eventually become discontinued (self fulfilling prophecy) due to lack of sales, as people do not like to buy into an orphaned battery platform that gets no new development, no new tools that do different things, no improved models to existing tools, no new enhancements with technologies like brushless motors and wireless communications, and no new manufacturing of batteries when the old ones reach their cycle limit, and repair parts limited to current stock on hand until depletion.

I'm not going so far as to say that what Firefighter5145 and MarkyMark posted is a fabrication. I'm just saying that under the circumstances (no other posts but these "announcements"), a prudent buyer would likely want to discover more tangible evidence of the status of DeWalt's 40V line.

Those of you who may be interested or effected might want to call 1 800-433-9258 yourself. I won't... I'm STILL waiting for a DeWalt live chat agent, for now almost an hour. I'm curious, but not so interested as to spend my limited cellphone minutes on the inquiry. If enough of you call, perhaps DeWalt will take notice.

DeWalt runs on Eastern time.

You guys to raise a good point; I'm curious why the OP hasn't replied, unless he's simply a disgruntled patron who wanted to get the word out.

Obviously, these things don't just disappear -- DeWalt still has 18v products on their site, for sale, and on retailer's shelves.

 

[ZRX61]

You could also buy the adapter for under $50 and then a DeWalt kit, and get new batteries and still be able to use all of your old tools instead of throwing them in the garbage.

The only "extra" cost with DW is the $50 for the DCA1820 adapter.

ok, had a rethink...


It appears that this kit will basically convert my 18V tools to 20v batteries.. even though I've read that the 18v batteries are actually 20v anyway...


https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-...Battery-Adapter-Kit-2-Pack-DCA2203C/206526033




That's $149 (everywhere). or I can buy this for the same price:


https://www.dewalt.com/products/acc...batteries/18v-xrp-battery-combo-pack/dc9096-2




What I currently have are:
DC9099 18v batteries (actually battery shaped objects...)
DW9116 Charger
DC720 3/8in Drill
DC825 1/4in Impact

 

[Farmall450]

ok, had a rethink...


It appears that this kit will basically convert my 18V tools to 20v batteries.. even though I've read that the 18v batteries are actually 20v anyway...


https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-...Battery-Adapter-Kit-2-Pack-DCA2203C/206526033

They are. It merely facilitates you using new, better, lighter and longer lasting Lithium ion batteries in your old tools, s.t. the 2 lines can coexist.

 

[All]

I'll never forget my neighbor's elderly parents... they stopped and chatted with me on a late summer evening in 2016. The grandmotherly lady looked alarmed and asked me "Have you seen everything on Facebook??". I had to laugh to stifle my surprise that she was even online, much less an active Facebook user. Then I had to confess that I myself didn't even have a Facebook account, and without an account, one can't read Facebook.

She then scolded me..."Well you should get an account so you can read what is REALLY going on with (a certain Presidential candidate)." Her earnestness in her state of alarm struck an indelible impression on me. I began to believe her, as I've known her for years as a level headed and shrewd business woman. Little did I know then, in 2016, about the Internet Research Agency. It wasn't until two or three years later that all of us have come to learn about the fabricated personas with seemingly believable life stories chronicled in fake Facebook accounts... who instigated rallies, protests, and division in not only the US election, but in the British popular vote for Brexit, and perhaps countless other countries and communities where destabilization of the populace might prove to be a politically effective tool.

This new cynicism of all online communication that has come about from the post 2016 disclosure of these complex farms of foreign students whose full time job was creating cult online personalities that effectively influenced real ones... calls into question the agenda of every forum post I read nowadays. It would not be unreasonable to believe that corporations, just like countries, would understand the power of peer to peer influence, and use this power to proliferate propaganda.

Again, I am not saying that this is the case here. I'm only saying that nothing so far has completely ruled out the possibility. Therefore more information, from a verifiable source, is needed before drawing any conclusion. The assertion itself is not unreasonable. It just isn't proven yet by anything posted thus far in this thread.

(Still holding for a DeWalt chat representative... 1.5 hours now. Other global tool companies much smaller than Stanley Black & Decker manage to be aware that two thirds of the US market is not on Eastern time, and make accommodations accordingly).

 

[Farmall450]

I have never encountered a company where they have accommodations for time zones outside of their HQ's unless they're 24 hour, generally technology or banking. And then, only the latter has American reps. Good luck with the online chat, that doesn't sound right to me. I've called twice, and have waited a total of maybe 5 minutes.

 

[ZRX61]

$107.91:


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001ZI560/?tag=atomicindus08-20


Tempted...

 

[thesilverone]

i bought a knockoff nicad to lithium adapter and havent looked back

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V7QPTJ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Handyandy23]

$107.91:


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001ZI560/?tag=atomicindus08-20


Tempted...

Personally I'd go for the $150 kit with the adapter, lithium batteries, and charger. The battery technology is better so you'll get more longevity out of them. And if you decide you want to add any new tools you can buy the 20V tools "bare" (no battery) for very cheap.

If you put another $100 into NiCd batteries that solves your current problem, but puts you no further forward for any future purchases.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[bigtiger]

It makes sense for Dewalt to get rid of the 40v OPE products.. Lowes clearance all these out last time and I still passed on it even though it was killer deals... Dewalt is already losing to Milwaukee on the OPE category and the 12v system.. And only thing left is the regular 20v and the new flexvolt OPE products. Their 20v OPE loses to Milwaukee by a big margin.

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[Farmall450]

Personally I'd go for the $150 kit with the adapter, lithium batteries, and charger. The battery technology is better so you'll get more longevity out of them. And if you decide you want to add any new tools you can buy the 20V tools "bare" (no battery) for very cheap.

If you put another $100 into NiCd batteries that solves your current problem, but puts you no further forward for any future purchases.

Just my 2 cents.

^^
Plus, resale value down the road. Bare tools can often be had for less than a bigger battery...

It makes sense for Dewalt to get rid of the 40v OPE products.. Lowes clearance all these out last time and I still passed on it even though it was killer deals... Dewalt is already losing to Milwaukee on the OPE category and the 12v system.. And only thing left is the regular 20v and the new flexvolt OPE products. Their 20v OPE loses to Milwaukee by a big margin.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do

 

[Handyandy23]

Their 20v OPE loses to Milwaukee by a big margin.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do

Maybe this is a regional thing, but my local HD has no Milwaukee OPE at all. Big displays for Ryobi as a budget cordless OPE and equal sized display for DeWalt OPE. Still more space dedicated to gas stuff than cordless. But of the cordless there is no red in sight.

I'm not even sure who buys these fancy new cordless OPE anyway. I'm in a subdivision so maybe not enough yard to push people to own much. But I have a Ryobi 18V trimmer and leaf blower, and I'm not even sure if I've seen anyone else on my street even using a trimmer before.

 

[Farmall450]

Maybe this is a regional thing, but my local HD has no Milwaukee OPE at all. Big displays for Ryobi as a budget cordless OPE and equal sized display for DeWalt OPE. Still more space dedicated to gas stuff than cordless. But of the cordless there is no red in sight.

I'm not even sure who buys these fancy new cordless OPE anyway. I'm in a subdivision so maybe not enough yard to push people to own much. But I have a Ryobi 18V trimmer and leaf blower, and I'm not even sure if I've seen anyone else on my street even using a trimmer before.

Farm & Fleet just started carrying some Milwaukee OPE this year...we've had DeWalt since it came out. IL/WI/IA/MI

 

[kctyphoon]

I'll never forget my neighbor's elderly parents... they stopped and chatted with me on a late summer evening in 2016. The grandmotherly lady looked alarmed and asked me "Have you seen everything on Facebook??". I had to laugh to stifle my surprise that she was even online, much less an active Facebook user. Then I had to confess that I myself didn't even have a Facebook account, and without an account, one can't read Facebook.

She then scolded me..."Well you should get an account so you can read what is REALLY going on with (a certain Presidential candidate)." Her earnestness in her state of alarm struck an indelible impression on me. I began to believe her, as I've known her for years as a level headed and shrewd business woman. Little did I know then, in 2016, about the Internet Research Agency. It wasn't until two or three years later that all of us have come to learn about the fabricated personas with seemingly believable life stories chronicled in fake Facebook accounts... who instigated rallies, protests, and division in not only the US election, but in the British popular vote for Brexit, and perhaps countless other countries and communities where destabilization of the populace might prove to be a politically effective tool.

This new cynicism of all online communication that has come about from the post 2016 disclosure of these complex farms of foreign students whose full time job was creating cult online personalities that effectively influenced real ones... calls into question the agenda of every forum post I read nowadays. It would not be unreasonable to believe that corporations, just like countries, would understand the power of peer to peer influence, and use this power to proliferate propaganda.

Again, I am not saying that this is the case here. I'm only saying that nothing so far has completely ruled out the possibility. Therefore more information, from a verifiable source, is needed before drawing any conclusion. The assertion itself is not unreasonable. It just isn't proven yet by anything posted thus far in this thread.

(Still holding for a DeWalt chat representative... 1.5 hours now. Other global tool companies much smaller than Stanley Black & Decker manage to be aware that two thirds of the US market is not on Eastern time, and make accommodations accordingly).

Who controls Facebook? Who REALLY controls Facebook..

 

[rharman]

Personally I'd go for the $150 kit with the adapter, lithium batteries, and charger. The battery technology is better so you'll get more longevity out of them. And if you decide you want to add any new tools you can buy the 20V tools "bare" (no battery) for very cheap.

If you put another $100 into NiCd batteries that solves your current problem, but puts you no further forward for any future purchases.

Just my 2 cents.

I bought the adapter kit from Rockler. I bought a 20V Li-Ion drill/impact pair that was on sale as one of my drill/drivers was having issues. The drill/impact pair came with a $50 gift card. My wife paid for that, the guy gave her the card, she handed it to me, and I bought the DeWalt adapter kit. The clerk just smiled and said "Well played sir, well played." That got me a new drill, impact, adapter sled, 2 chargers, and 4 Li-Ion batteries for a sweet deal.

 

[WittHay]

If you look on the Milwaukee (Canada) website there is no mention of the V18, V28 and M28 systems. There are a few M28 items on the website. So thats 2 systems that Milwaukee or more accurately Asian owned TTI has discontinued and the M28 line will disappear someday except for batteries

Their is still information about the 18V line on the DeWalt website and you can still buy new DeWalt 18V tools along with a adapter.

Locally the DeWalt 40V is being clearanced from the box stores and is being replaced with the Craftsman V60 system at Rona, Lowes and with the Dewalt Flexvolt at Home Depot. The old school tool stores haven't sold the 40V system for a while now just the DeWalt 20V and the 60V Flexvolt

Its too bad for the owners of the short lived DeWalt series but it seems there is no need to have a 40V system when you have 60V choices in DeWalt and Craftsman

The cordless OPE is a large market with a lot of different players in it. I use Stihl which has 36V batteries. Even on a chop saw the battery's last quite a while and are lighter than the Milwaukee 12.0. Its also nice to have tools made in a European country like Austria instead of the usual China

 

[Farmall450]

If you look on the Milwaukee (Canada) website there is no mention of the V18, V28 and M28 systems. There are a few M28 items on the website. So thats 2 systems that Milwaukee or more accurately Asian owned TTI has discontinued and the M28 line will disappear someday except for batteries

Their is still information about the 18V line on the DeWalt website and you can still buy new DeWalt 18V tools along with a adapter.

Locally the DeWalt 40V is being clearanced from the box stores and is being replaced with the Craftsman V60 system at Rona, Lowes and with the Dewalt Flexvolt at Home Depot. The old school tool stores haven't sold the 40V system for a while now just the DeWalt 20V and the 60V Flexvolt

Its too bad for the owners of the short lived DeWalt series but it seems there is no need to have a 40V system when you have 60V choices in DeWalt and Craftsman

The cordless OPE is a large market with a lot of different players in it. I use Stihl which has 36V batteries. Even on a chop saw the battery's last quite a while and are lighter than the Milwaukee 12.0. Its also nice to have tools made in a European country like Austria instead of the usual China

There are a ton of players. I recall Echo coming out with, and then clearanceing the next year, their first cordless line. They have another out now.

 

[Ign]

Only read the first ~25 posts but Milwaukee also put dual sets of dovetails on the original 0880 vacuum - one for M18 and one for ni-cad 18V

Not exactly reverse compatible exactly, and doesn't prove anything - just trivia!

The recently re-designed 0880 did away with this.

 

[Luciferi]

ok, had a rethink...


It appears that this kit will basically convert my 18V tools to 20v batteries.. even though I've read that the 18v batteries are actually 20v anyway...


https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-...Battery-Adapter-Kit-2-Pack-DCA2203C/206526033




That's $149 (everywhere). or I can buy this for the same price:


https://www.dewalt.com/products/acc...batteries/18v-xrp-battery-combo-pack/dc9096-2




What I currently have are:
DC9099 18v batteries (actually battery shaped objects...)
DW9116 Charger
DC720 3/8in Drill
DC825 1/4in Impact

I would not purchase the older 18v batteries, the 20v max are substantially better to the point if you had both, you won’t use any 18v ones anymore.

If you only have 2 tools, just upgrade to a new kit with drill/ impact and batteries. The 20v max tools are much better and can be had brushless.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEWALT-20v-XR-Brushless-Drill-Impact-Kit-1-2Ah-1-4Ah-DCK287D1M1-Brand-NEW/143208317682?epid=6017405623&hash=item2157e182f2:g:FfwAAOSw56FcrKzV

 

[Farmall450]

Only read the first ~25 posts but Milwaukee also put dual sets of dovetails on the original 0880 vacuum - one for M18 and one for ni-cad 18V

Not exactly reverse compatible exactly, and doesn't prove anything - just trivia!

The recently re-designed 0880 did away with this.

Some DeWalts are the dual design like that -- the cordless shop vac is one example.

 

[catron44]

Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita could have easily made lithium systems compatible with their old NiCd tools, but they didn't.

I totally agree with you on Ryobi but DeWalt did make an 18v Li-On. It was out for a short time, before 20v. I have a kit from that era. The batteries are interchangeable with Ni-Cd without any adapter. I also have 20v and the adapter to go backwards to my 18v tools. Not sure what required the change to 20v other than pushing new brushless tools.

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