Escape FROM my dream shop

[rmack898]

Mac, one more piece of advise, I'd cut that damn bar out on the electric lift, it's got to be a sight to see us fat guys going under it like we're doing the limbo.

Glad we could help to get you to this spot.

Craig, I have multiple knots on my head from that damn thing. Mac-Limbo-NOT!

I'm glad y'all got by without expert guidance. I'll try to make sure I'm there next time. [emoji16] I did notice that Shorty changed his shoes at some point and put on his Orange safety officer hat.

It seems that with the contractors on the house and the FC crew on the shop you're making great progress.

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Andrew are you trying to suggest that Shorty's guidance was less than expert? He had an orange hat, how much more expert can you get.

Your advice and expertise will always be welcome here at the Grove.

It was a gratifying day, and great to meet all you guys. Hope we can gather more often and with more local members.

It was indeed a very gratifying day. It was great to meet you John and personally thank you for your and Franks' cabinet expertise.

 

[shortykorte]

Was a good day, no blood shed and no snow. I really like the size and configuration of your shop. Great set up for the average hobbyist. Look forward to hanging out some more.


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[cbacres]

What an amazing freaking weekend. My mind is a raging torrent, rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of "What just effin happened".

DAY1

Gerrard was the first to arrive and he quickly became the go to guy on the electric man lift.
(A little side note here. Sunbelt had the equipment I rented on site, on time. Unfortunately both man lifts had seen better days and had quirks that needed to be navigated in order to make them work) .

Gerrard figured all the quirks on the electric lift and made it do what he wanted.

A short time later, Shorty, Toolfool, and Shorty's friend Ed showed up. Shorty was the only one wearing flip flops and immediately advised us all that WE were wearing inappropriate footwear for the project at hand.

Craig arrived after Shorty and crew and we all went to work. By the end of the day, the big pile of red iron that was on the ground was now in the air. No one got hurt and the only damage done was to a girt bracket by me not paying attention while running the skid steer.

At the end of the day we realized that we had 3 purlins bolted up in the wrong position, it was getting dark and we called it a day.

DAY2

Craig arrives at 8:30 and we correct the mis-bolted purlins from Saturday.
I finished cutting off the tabs from the rafters that I put in the wrong place and welded them on to the rafters where they should have been if I had been paying closer attention to the prints.

Craig was instaling all the cable braces and splicing the eye bolts on to the ends of the cables. Once that was done we adjusted the cable braces to bring all the columns plumb. Then we started to adjust the cable braces in the overhead to bring the building into square. This was a nightmare. every time we measured a diagonal we were off by several inches. After many ups and downs on the lifts, Craig and I realized we were not taking the measurement from the same place on each corner. Once we figured that out and re-measured the diagonals, we were 1/4" off over 40' and called it good. Craig saddled up and headed for home. I started putting in the base angle for screwing the tin to the foundation when the rain started. I called it quits at 5:30 and hit the rain locker for a much needed shower.

Tomorrow is my day off from work so I'll give it another good shot and see if I can get some tin on the building.

I can't begin to express my thanks to the Florida crew. My wife Laura said "Those guys are effin awesome"

Thinking back,I believe the differences in the measurements were due to our beer bellies and wether we were inhaling or exhaling !

 

[jbmatth]

That is an awesome story, great job by all involved. It'd be cool to have a traveling GJ build team, after 20-30 times they might just know what they are doing.

JB

 

[mybigwarwagon]

That is an awesome story, great job by all involved. It'd be cool to have a traveling GJ build team, after 20-30 times they might just know what they are doing.

JB

Or they would find 20-30 ways to do it wrong

Looks like the work party was a success. If I had been closer I would have been there. It looks like the supervisor needed someone to look after him.

 

[cbacres]

That is an awesome story, great job by all involved. It'd be cool to have a traveling GJ build team, after 20-30 times they might just know what they are doing.

JB

Or they would find 20-30 ways to do it wrong

Looks like the work party was a success. If I had been closer I would have been there. It looks like the supervisor needed someone to look after him.

We were just testing each other to see what each of us knows about a building, we did great.

The only thing I’d change is to have a beer cooler at the plans table to help us interpret them better!

 

[Toolfool]

We were just testing each other to see what each of us knows about a building, we did great.

The only thing I’d change is to have a beer cooler at the plans table to help us interpret them better!

And we would have ended up with a gazebo instead of a shop.

 

[Finallygotit]

That is fantastic progress. Good for you guys!

 

[zippyslug31]

At times there's just too many build threads on GJ and some of the better ones get lost in the shuffle; just stumbled over this one and spent the last couple hours reading thru it. Definitely subscribed!

A couple years ago I was in exactly the same boat:
selling a house while planning my build... CHECK
stressing about the logistics of it all, while driving loads hundreds of miles to my new location... CHECK
lived in my trailer, on site, while the house and barn were built... CHECK (my RV even resembles yours)
cleared tons of trees & shrubs, trenched hundreds of feet, installed services... CHECK, CHECK, CHECK
****, I even had THREE of the HF "portable garages" that I had a ton of my tools in during the build! LOL

Really relived some good memories (and remembered some frustrating events) reading through your thread. Good luck with the rest of the build; I'm rootin' for you!

 

[rmack898]

Thinking back,I believe the differences in the measurements were due to our beer bellies and wether we were inhaling or exhaling !

Don't you remember me telling you to hold your breath on 1 2 3 as I was pulling the tape tight?

It'd be cool to have a traveling GJ build team, after 20-30 times they might just know what they are doing.
JB

JB, depending on who is on the team it might take more than 20 or 30 builds to know what they are doing, I'm a slow learner.

It looks like the supervisor needed someone to look after him.

Next time we'll set a live web cam and a PA speaker on this end so you can give remote words of advice and encouragement (you know, yell at us).

The only thing I’d change is to have a beer cooler at the plans table to help us interpret them better!

I tried that today and I got almost nothing done

And we would have ended up with a gazebo instead of a shop.

It ain't a shop yet John, it still might turn to a gazebo.

That is fantastic progress. Good for you guys!

Thanks Dan, it was a great day.

I'm rootin' for you!

Thanks for taking the time Zippy. Since I'm traveling a road you've already gone down, feel free to give me direction if you see me straying too far off course.

 

[rmack898]

When we squared and plumbed the building yesterday, we left all the purlin to rafter connections hand tight to permit the building to move as we tweaked it with the cable ties.

So today after I got all my domestic chores done, I installed all of the flange braces on the purlin to rafter flanges and tightened all the connections and the building is now pretty sturdy. When I started I had a 50# box of 1/2" bolts, when I installed the last flange brace this afternoon I had 3 bolts left.

Next up was installing the base angle to the foundation, this is a steel angle that get bolted to the perimeter of the foundation so that I have something to screw the outside tin to. It gets 1/4" holes drilled on 24" centers, then I mark the concrete and drill the foundation for the hammer drive screws that fasten the base angle. I should get the other 2 sides finished tomorrow after work.

On the house front, Fidel finished hanging all the drywall today and the painter finished all the outside trim. They start mudding tomorrow and plan on being finished by Friday.

I ran out of water in the camper today and was ready to fill the drum to fill the tank when it dawned on me. I got out the measuring tape and realized it's only 124' from the well to the camper. A quick trip to Wally World for 100' of hose and $28 later I had running water in the camper and no longer have to fill the water. tank. Life at the Grove gets better every day.

 

[mybigwarwagon]

Next time we'll set a live web cam and a PA speaker on this end so you can give remote words of advice and encouragement (you know, yell at us).

My wife says i am an expert at that.

 

[Craptain]

Just checking Mack, does the well have a water treatment system? From that depth I'm sure you're OK but you never know.

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[cbacres]

Just checking Mack, does the well have a water treatment system? From that depth I'm sure you're OK but you never know.

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He just takes IPA to counteract any potential things in the water

 

[Finallygotit]

He just takes IPA to counteract any potential things in the water

To be sure, I would upgrade to a single malt to make sure stuff in the water is dead.


YMMV

 

[rmack898]

My wife says i am an expert at that.

I'm sure she is 100% correct.

Just checking Mack, does the well have a water treatment system? From that depth I'm sure you're OK but you never know.

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The water treatment system is yet to be installed. I drink and cook with bottled water and will only be using the current well water for sanitary and bathing.

To be sure, I would upgrade to a single malt to make sure stuff in the water is dead.


YMMV

Once I'm sure that I have enough IPA in the system, I do finish off with a very peaty single malt from Islay.

So after 9 hours at the day job, I got home to find that the entire house had been taped and mudded with the first coat and the house looks great.

I got all but the last section of base angle cut and drilled. I had planned on putting the man door on the south wall of the shop but as I was cutting the base angle I realized that there were cable braces in that section of wall. So after sitting there for about an hour trying to figure out where machines will go in the shop I made an executive decision to put the man door on the east wall.

Framing out the man door will be tomorrow's project, once that is done I can finish up the base angle and move on the the next task.

I'll get some pics of the house tomorrow.

 

[ap2002]

awesome accomplishment over the weekend, that is pretty amazing when fellow GJ members help out each other....

 

[Craptain]

Man, there's a lot of tire tracks on that concrete.

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[taumac]

What an amazing freaking weekend. My mind is a raging torrent, rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of "What just effin happened".

DAY1

Gerrard was the first to arrive and he quickly became the go to guy on the electric man lift.
(A little side note here. Sunbelt had the equipment I rented on site, on time. Unfortunately both man lifts had seen better days and had quirks that needed to be navigated in order to make them work) .

Gerrard figured all the quirks on the electric lift and made it do what he wanted.

A short time later, Shorty, Toolfool, and Shorty's friend Ed showed up. Shorty was the only one wearing flip flops and immediately advised us all that WE were wearing inappropriate footwear for the project at hand.

Craig arrived after Shorty and crew and we all went to work. By the end of the day, the big pile of red iron that was on the ground was now in the air. No one got hurt and the only damage done was to a girt bracket by me not paying attention while running the skid steer.

At the end of the day we realized that we had 3 purlins bolted up in the wrong position, it was getting dark and we called it a day.

DAY2

Craig arrives at 8:30 and we correct the mis-bolted purlins from Saturday.
I finished cutting off the tabs from the rafters that I put in the wrong place and welded them on to the rafters where they should have been if I had been paying closer attention to the prints.

Craig was instaling all the cable braces and splicing the eye bolts on to the ends of the cables. Once that was done we adjusted the cable braces to bring all the columns plumb. Then we started to adjust the cable braces in the overhead to bring the building into square. This was a nightmare. every time we measured a diagonal we were off by several inches. After many ups and downs on the lifts, Craig and I realized we were not taking the measurement from the same place on each corner. Once we figured that out and re-measured the diagonals, we were 1/4" off over 40' and called it good. Craig saddled up and headed for home. I started putting in the base angle for screwing the tin to the foundation when the rain started. I called it quits at 5:30 and hit the rain locker for a much needed shower.

Tomorrow is my day off from work so I'll give it another good shot and see if I can get some tin on the building.

I can't begin to express my thanks to the Florida crew. My wife Laura said "Those guys are effin awesome"

I had a great time and really glad the FC could help out. This was first time we ever got together to do a project like this.

 

[rmack898]

I had a great time and really glad the FC could help out. This was first time we ever got together to do a project like this.

I'm very grateful for your help G along with the rest of the FC. The fact that you had a good time makes it all the better. If you're interested in part deaux, there is still a lot of work to do and my door is open.

 

[cbacres]

Man, there's a lot of tire tracks on that concrete.

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That’s a new pattern, just sweep the floor and seal.

 

[shortykorte]

The Safety Report for this past weekend’s endeavor is almost complete. On the matter of the girt, “...and the only damage done was to a girt bracket by me not paying attention while running the skid steer.”, the committee has made the determination that a nickname is in order. Mack, you have the choice between Girt or Skid. I recommend you pick Girt.
There’s was also considerable about of water consumption during the day. It is recommended that several V8 powered fans should be in place for next work day.
The report also recommends providing Florida Safety Shoes, similar to those worn by the Safety Office, be provided to all participants.



Shorty Korte
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[shortykorte]

The Safety Report for this past weekend’s endeavor is almost complete. On the matter of the girt, “...and the only damage done was to a girt bracket by me not paying attention while running the skid steer.”, the committee has made the determination that a nickname is in order. Mack, you have the choice between Girt or Skid. I recommend you pick Girt.
There’s was also considerable about of water consumption during the day. It is recommended that several V8 powered fans should be in place for next work day.
The report also recommends providing Florida Safety Shoes, similar to those worn by the Safety Office, be provided to all participants.



Shorty Korte
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[Toolfool]

I'm very grateful for your help G along with the rest of the FC. The fact that you had a good time makes it all the better. If you're interested in part deaux, there is still a lot of work to do and my door is open.

If only you lived closer ….

 

[rmack898]

That’s a new pattern, just sweep the floor and seal.

Says the guy that made the nice paternities on the floor.

The Safety Report for this past weekend’s endeavor is almost complete. On the matter of the girt, “...and the only damage done was to a girt bracket by me not paying attention while running the skid steer.”, the committee has made the determination that a nickname is in order. Mack, you have the choice between Girt or Skid. I recommend you pick Girt.
There’s was also considerable about of water consumption during the day. It is recommended that several V8 powered fans should be in place for next work day.
The report also recommends providing Florida Safety Shoes, similar to those worn by the Safety Office, be provided to all participants.



Shorty Korte
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Please pass on to the committee that the bent girt bracket was put back in it's original condition with the same skid steer that bent it on Monday. I will accept whatever the committee decides to call me as long as it's not late for supper.

If only you lived closer ….

The shop would be done or would be a big *** gazebo.


I got home from work late and all I managed to do was get the man door and frame unpacked, assembled, and temporarily clamped in place.
I knew I saw a note in the prints on how to attach the door frame to the girts but I had a hard time finding it. Those of you that attended the seminar know how hard it is to find a detail in those prints. After finally finding the detail, I flipped back a page or two and then couldn't find the door detail again. I should have never moved the beer cooler next to the print table.

 

[rmack898]

I forgot to add the door frame pic. It's not much but at least I did something.

 

[Finallygotit]

Mac, don't you want those door hinges on the inside of the shop?

 

[Bob Heine]

Mac, don't you want those door hinges on the inside of the shop?

Dan, the out-swing entry door is mandated in the Florida building codes, with very few exceptions. Hurricane force winds will blow an in-swing door open with the roof lifting soon after the opening is made. The door also has to prevent wind-driven water intrusion. On the down side it means a screen door is rare in Florida.

 

[cbacres]

Dan, the out-swing entry door is mandated in the Florida building codes, with very few exceptions. Hurricane force winds will blow an in-swing door open with the roof lifting soon after the opening is made. The door also has to prevent wind-driven water intrusion. On the down side it means a screen door is rare in Florida.

Bob, do you know how many 1/2” bolts are used in that roof?

 

[Bob Heine]

Bob, do you know how many 1/2” bolts are used in that roof?

Craig, I don't know the number except that Mac mentioned a 50 pound box of them (3 bolts left over?). I expect that building will survive any hurricane coming its way. I would worry about Hurricane Skiddy.

I was talking to a woman who owns a home (not a mansion) in the Bahamas. The 'old' building code required all inside and outside walls to be concrete block with reinforced concrete beams and pillars. The newest code allows wood or steel frame interior walls. I'd say they held up pretty well in Dorian...

 

[Finallygotit]

Dan, the out-swing entry door is mandated in the Florida building codes, with very few exceptions. Hurricane force winds will blow an in-swing door open with the roof lifting soon after the opening is made. The door also has to prevent wind-driven water intrusion. On the down side it means a screen door is rare in Florida.

Ah, learned something new.


Thanks Bob!

 

[rmack898]

Dan, as Bob explained the door will open out per code.

I had a rough day that started out with me waking up late. I got a new iPhone Monday and last night it decided to update and crash in the middle of the night, so I had no alarm to wake me up this morning. I got up late and only had time for one coffee (That's not good for anyone that might have the misfortune to interact with me). The service manager at my day job fixed my phone. Then the day job kicked my *** all day and I had to stay late to fulfill a promise made by the sales department and rig a new motor on a boat.

I stopped on the way home to pick up some StrongHold anchor bolts for the man door but by the time I got home I was out of steam. I sat and had a beverage or two and did nothing on my build.

Tomorrow is another day.

 

[cbacres]

Dan, as Bob explained the door will open out per code.

I had a rough day that started out with me waking up late. I got a new iPhone Monday and last night it decided to update and crash in the middle of the night, so I had no alarm to wake me up this morning. I got up late and only had time for one coffee (That's not good for anyone that might have the misfortune to interact with me). The service manager at my day job fixed my phone. Then the day job kicked my *** all day and I had to stay late to fulfill a promise made by the sales department and rig a new motor on a boat.

I stopped on the way home to pick up some StrongHold anchor bolts for the man door but by the time I got home I was out of steam. I sat and had a beverage or two and did nothing on my build.

Tomorrow is another day.

Hope you had your beverage under the blue tiki roof.

 

[Finallygotit]

No worries there. Sometimes it's needed to take a break and veg out.

 

[taumac]

I sat and had a beverage or two and did nothing on my build.



Tomorrow is another day.

Grit.... don’t feel bad about sitting and taking a break. Hell, I do it all the time. Some will say I even perfected the practice. LOL

 

[mybigwarwagon]

Sometimes a cold beverage and a chair is what a build needs

 

[shortykorte]

Dan, the out-swing entry door is mandated in the Florida building codes, with very few exceptions. Hurricane force winds will blow an in-swing door open with the roof lifting soon after the opening is made. The door also has to prevent wind-driven water intrusion. On the down side it means a screen door is rare in Florida.

I believe the out swing also has to do with fire code. Commercial/industrial have to have out swing so during an evacuation event (i.e. CBacres gas release) a pile of people rushing a door won’t pin the door shut from inside.


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[rmack898]

Code or not, the drawings called for a swing out man door and that's what I did. I drilled 1/2" holes for the anchor bolts and got the door frame bolted down to the floor. I have to drill some holes and add some angle to the upper end of the door fame to secure it to the girt.

That was about all I had in me for a Friday night. A half day of the day job tomorrow and its game on for the weekend. 2-1/2 days to work on the shop before I have to re-join the daily work force.

 

[cbacres]

Grit.... don’t feel bad about sitting and taking a break. Hell, I do it all the time. Some will say I even perfected the practice. LOL

It's Girt.

 

[rixtrix1]

Mack, really good to see this build coming together after so long, and the camaraderie shared by the erection crew. Taking a break here and there will keep you from getting burned out and make things more productive when you do work the project. Running water, what a novelty. Best wishes moving forward, Things are looking good!