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bimmer1980

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I don't know that I would get too excited about the employee vacating the premises until you see empty space......

Just wait and see.... There will be some sort of dramatic delay on him moving out.....
 
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We are currently in discussions for a firm date, they have already started moving things, in reality I think he can make it happen, but I agree with you Bimmer, I am not holding my breath.

Legend, I will keep both shops, but the original Salvage Garage will become a warehouse space and parking lot. I think it will also be a perfect spot for vinyl printing, something I have supplies for, but have never setup. The long term future would be for a large scale CNC table to handle plasma cutting, laser, and routing all in one unit. It would be a dedicated are for it, probably also setup a nice area for sandblasting outside as well.

Moving is going to be tough this time of year, but I think it can be done in stages. I do not plan on having duplicate working spaces, so all the tools will be removed from the SG and brought to the new place, probably calling it "The Hill" from now on since it is 400' above sea level yet only a couple miles from the water.
 

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At least moving at this time of year, there won't be mud to contend with. The big downside is all the stuff that get's covered in white for the winter, only to be revealed in the spring.
 
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I should know more on Monday about exact timeframe, he says that they will be out by December 9th, but I am not sure I believe that, time will tell, I really want to haul the newest truck to the Hill so I don’t have to move it again. I guess it doesn’t much matter yet, it will fit without any problems in the SG doors. This whole process *****, I hate unknowns and also hate when things are completely out of control. What Dad and I have discussed, we are making him pick a day to be out, not an if I can it will be this day, but a real deadline. So it may get pushed back further, but the deal is, the employee pays rent and has to heat the house, plow any snow and still do the things like he is living there until that date. I am pretty sure he will move ASAP just because he is trying to stick me with all the extra stuff, he knows it won’t be as easy for me to move in as it is for him to move out.
 
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Thanks, I am expecting turbulence for sure. I figure it will only be temporary, then the future path will be much clearer.
 

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"So it may get pushed back further, but the deal is, the employee pays rent and has to heat the house, plow any snow and still do the things like he is living there until that date. I am pretty sure he will move ASAP just because he is trying to stick me with all the extra stuff, he knows it won’t be as easy for me to move in as it is for him to move out."

Some folks keep score, and don't know what they want, so they only score the losses of others, no matter how much it costs them. It may be that if he feels like you are taking some losses it will motivate him to move along. Motivation good!!!

Watch for things like collateral damage, empty oil tanks, etc. No point in keeping those secret from your father! He will sink himself if you let him!
 
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We have been discussing all that, Monday will be the discussion of what I am paying him for remaining oil and fire wood, of course this is only to determine a dollar amount per quantity, we will determine quantity when he has actually vacated, then I will pay him. Apparently, the furnace has issues with the "chimney" (it is just some old stove pipe mounted on the side of the house), Dad said the employee has to replace it, but Dad will pay for replacement labor and cost of materials. It is going to get replaced with the stainless metalbestos stuff, should last for a long time. I did find out that all I have to pay is the town's assessed value, so it is a real bargain to buy the property. On top of that all the siblings are on board, so no one has any issue with me buying it, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

This house has its quirks, the well is a long ways away from the house and you have to pump water into tanks during the freezing months, then blow all the water out of the line so it can't clog with ice. Long term would be to try and get a well that is closer or to blast out the ledge and get the water line permanently buried, there are spots where we have to insulate it with hay every other year. There are some dry wells that were drilled years ago, but I do not know how deep they are, will need to do some investigating on that front, for now I can live with pumping the water during the winter.
 

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Sounds like a good path forward , just drill a new well . Hopefully Dad will remain on board as well as the rest of the family . Have you spoken to brother Dan lately? He's doing ok
considering things .
 
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X, this is a strange setup, the well is a dug well at the bottom of the hill, the water line runs up the side of the hill, must be a good 2000 feet of line, never really measured it though. Basically if it freezes, you have to find where it is frozen and either thaw or generally cut out and replace that section. It is just that poly pipe, so you drill a hole in it to see if water is flowing, then you put a stainless steel self tapping screw in the hole when you are done. The line is really easy to cut and splice, way easier than try to get the frozen section thawed.

Rick, have not talked with Dan in a while, need to make a trip up one of these days. As for keeping Dad and the Family on board, I am currently working with the attorney to get a legal document figured out for the purchase, like everything in my life, it will have some convolution to it.
 
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I forgot to mention that I was invited to participate in a focus group for Zoro Tools, it took about an hour and they gave me a $150 visa gift card. Was a neat process, good conversation and the other two contractors were interesting as well. I already used the gift card to order some new boots this morning. I would do more of those for sure. ;)
 
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She just doesn’t remember what the house looks like on the inside and she is all freaked out it will be lots of work to make it livable to her standards, (I on the other hand was ready to move into the house with no plumbing or heat next to the SG). Going from an 800 square foot four square to a 1200 square foot house will be nice and she won’t be able to deny that. We had the planned to move there 12 years ago, but the employee was granted temporary use until he got back on his feet. I think the biggest thing is that there won’t be any need for me to have a office space and there won’t be any tools stored in the house unless I want them there.

Basically the shop is 1600 square feet with about 15’ ceilings and two 14’ tall doors, then above there is another 650 square feet of office space with about 200 square feet of storage. Then we have the wood shop, that is another 850 square feet completely separate from the other shop. In the end it will be much better, her commute is a few miles longer, but will be the same or even shorter since she will jump onto the highway directly rather than going through the city to get onto 295 and deal with all the morning and evening traffic.
 

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Let me make a suggestion........

BEFORE you move into the house.... Figure out what you both want and make a plan to hire someone to do the upgrades..... Paint, Tile, kitchen, bathroom, etc....

Sell a truck if you need to.

But with all the changes and stress, if you have the house set up the way she wants, then it will just make things a bit easier on the home life......

I would recommend the same for the shop(s). Figure out what is really important for your shop space and tools, and make an executable plan to make it happen before you drag your projects over.

I know you're antcy to get moved, but you've already been how long with your existing place....? What's another month or two to make changes so that you are all set?

Just some ideas to think about........ ;-)
 
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The time will be the biggest issue for me, I am ok with hiring some things out, but we are planning on renting the current house after we move out, it too needs work done before that, so we are planning on concentrating on that to start building revenue as quick as possible. The plan was to always paint and spruce things up, but I have much bigger plans for both the new house and the shop than a few months would allow. The good thing is that I am not moving everything up there at once, just the basics to start with, should be a couple trips with a truck and trailer, but I don’t expect to be moving all my cabinets and supplies quickly. Most of the stuff isn’t really needed anyways and should go away (I don’t know who typed that, but he is a liar).
 

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Most of the stuff isn’t really needed anyways and should go away (I don’t know who typed that, but he is a liar).

Funny coming from the guy who has added almost a dozen vehicles in the last 6 months.
 
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This one will get chopped up quickly, I need to get the engine prepped for Perk.

On another front, employee says he will be vacating house and shop before Christmas. Really messes me up, but I guess getting in sooner should be better, just hate the idea that I will have three places to deal with all the snow removal and heat, can’t wait!

On the bright side, I may be able to start one of the truck projects sooner as the new shop space has taller doors so I can get the truck inside and really work on it.

Make sure to get new locks after he leaves.
 
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Strouty

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As much as I want to believe he is a bad guy, I know he would never do anything bad, he is just petty and passive aggressive. My GF will probably force the lock issue anyways, but I trust there would be no issues.

Today is going to feel like T-shirt weather, mid 40s! Have plans to spend the better part of the day at shop, I think I can have the yard picked up completely. My goals have somewhat changed at this point, so I may not be quite as picky as I had originally planned on. A few of the trucks will end up at the Hill instead of hanging out at the SG for the winter, that will make things easier on my cleanup efforts.
 

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I’m thinking you can hire the employee to rub your pipe so it doesn’t freeze.

Hope everything works out. Like others, I good inspection of the house and it’s systems, post-employee, is a smart idea.

Enjoy the global warming. Hopefully I can wear shorts this weekend but maybe not, dammit.


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Strouty

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I think things are going to go smooth, I spoke with him at length this morning about what is staying in the shop, my Dad’s ****, and what is going. The house needs some work on the inside for sure and it was all stuff my GF and I planned on doing anyways. She will be involved in the decisions in what happens with the house, that makes her happy. Unfortunately for me, there is a lot of my Dad’s stuff that will need to be dealt with before I can really move in. Also found out that the boiler for the radiant heat is no good and will need to be replaced before that system works again. On a good note, I did inherit a welder and my brother is getting a nicer air compressor in exchange for helping move some things to my Dad’s lake house shop. I think almost everything else will end up in the Quonset hut for now.
 
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December 9th is the date that they are supposed to be out by, fingers crossed it doesn’t snow by then, the driveway is a handful in the winter with bigger trucks.
 
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I moved a few things, but daylight seems to have vacated the premises without letting me know. I just loaded up the suburban on the ramp truck, now I am about to head out to drop off the ramp truck so the employee can use it to move stuff. Hardest part about all this is that I am not really sure what direction I should be headed with the shops, once I move all my tools, then I will have to haul trucks to the Hill from SG so I can work on them and there are a lot of trucks :( I guess I deserve this, my problem, now I have to live with it.
 

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I see you will need a 40ft box truck with a lift gate, HD tow truck, tilt back flat bed.

Box truck: to move tools in protection
HD tow truck: move trucks
Flat bed: move other things.

I can see the lift gate being optional because you do have 2 fork lifts... so there is that savings potential.
 
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Strouty

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I was looking at a 27' box trailer with a large lift gate, not too big, not too small. Seller says it may be sold, but they have another one that will be available in March. Not sure of my full plans and timelines yet, could be I do not move things as quickly as I "want" and work on making the space the way it should be before moving anything. I can see things both ways and I can see the value in both.

If I take the position of not moving yet, it would allow me to rip and tear apart the parts trucks, then just bring the parts needed to the new shop to finish the project.

Moving there early will allow me to work on the trucks easier since I can put them in the shop without having the door being an issue.
 
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Strouty

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Absolutely, but 50% of them are supposed to be cannibalized for other projects and then disposed of. In other words, once I remove the tools, they still need to go to the Hill.
 
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