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[Smokeshow69]

I found this Heritage cad plated complete =v= 1/2” drive set at an estate sale this morning. I slightly overpaid but I hadn’t seen one before. The sockets in the second row are all 8 point.

-Don

I think the cad plated sockets had a short run? I am not an expert but to find a full set is not common! I think if you paid less than $50 you probably **** ?


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[r_olson_06]

I found this Heritage cad plated complete =v= 1/2” drive set at an estate sale this morning. I slightly overpaid but I hadn’t seen one before. The sockets in the second row are all 8 point.
-Don

Cads are pretty rare. I would say 1 in 50ish on =v= series

Nice to see that cad set. I have a few sockets I suspected were cad plated but wasn't sure. Nice find!

I have found some DBEs that were Cad plated. Not sure on the run dates but there are definitely not that common.

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[Rileysan]

I found this Heritage cad plated complete =v= 1/2” drive set at an estate sale this morning. I slightly overpaid but I hadn’t seen one before. The sockets in the second row are all 8 point.
-Don

That's a neat set, to be sure, but it would be the first cadmium plated =v= set I've ever heard of. Are you sure that's not paint? The box appears to be painted the same color (aluminum). Try soaking a socket in Simple Green for a day or two. If it's paint, it will come right off.

Brian

 

[JoCoSawdust]

How about a heritage stack? The top box is the cleanest one I've ever seen.

That top chest looks brand spankin' new. Is the roller a re-paint? If so they did a great job.

 

[thehorse13]

That top chest looks brand spankin' new. Is the roller a re-paint? If so they did a great job.

The top box is 100% original and I found it in like new condition. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. The original owner bought it in 1950 and the old lady I bought it from told me that it spent its entire life indoors and was almost never used. Her father was the original owner.

The roller was a disaster so I stripped it down and repainted it. I also went through all the slides and replaced them as needed. It works perfectly.

 

[d42jeep]

That's a neat set, to be sure, but it would be the first cadmium plated =v= set I've ever heard of. Are you sure that's not paint? The box appears to be painted the same color (aluminum). Try soaking a socket in Simple Green for a day or two. If it's paint, it will come right off.

Brian

Brian,
Don’t forget that I collect WW2 tools and am pretty familiar with Cad vs Chrome. The entire set consists of Cad plated tools and the box, although worn, hasn’t been repainted. Traces of the original Heritage decal remain. Here are some pictures of a couple of sockets from the set alongside some other Cad finish =v= sockets I had on hand. The sockets from the set are on the right.
-Don
Edit. Here it is cleaned up.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

The top box is 100% original and I found it in like new condition. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. The original owner bought it in 1950 and the old lady I bought it from told me that it spent its entire life indoors and was almost never used. Her father was the original owner.

The roller was a disaster so I stripped it down and repainted it. I also went through all the slides and replaced them as needed. It works perfectly.

That's a rare find in that condition. Kudos!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Picked up this heritage machinists chest at a local swap. The guy had $10 on it but he told me he didn’t want to take it home. I offered $8 which he took [emoji41][emoji38]




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[d42jeep]

Brian,
Don’t forget that I collect WW2 tools and am pretty familiar with Cad vs Chrome. The entire set consists of Cad plated tools and the box, although worn, hasn’t been repainted. Traces of the original Heritage decal remain. Here are some pictures of a couple of sockets from the set alongside some other Cad finish =v= sockets I had on hand. The sockets from the set are on the right.
-Don
Edit. Here it is cleaned up.

I pulled a cad plated =v= wrench out to take a couple of pictures. They aren’t very common.
-Don

 

[B17E1943]

Picked up this heritage machinists chest at a local swap. The guy had $10 on it but he told me he didn’t want to take it home. I offered $8 which he took [emoji41][emoji38]

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You SUUUUCK!!

Great buy.

 

[Rileysan]

I pulled a cad plated =v= wrench out to take a couple of pictures. They aren’t very common.
-Don

This makes even less sense to me. The first run of MDF made Craftsman wrenches (introduced in the 1945 catalog) were unplated and didn't have the =V= stamp on them. The unplated, un-stamped tools aren't all that common, but are still available.

I'm not arguing that wrench, or your aforementioned socket set isn't cadmium plated, but I am arguing those aren't wartime tools.

Cadmium is a rare-Earth mineral that was restricted by the US government during the war. And since Craftsman is a retail brand made by a third party for the retail market, there's no possible explanation for them being plated during WWII.

Therefore, those would have to have been made post-war. However, I still don't understand why MDF would have plated any Craftsman tools with Cadmium after the war.

Does anyone have a viable theory?

Brian

 

[Smokeshow69]

Since I was on a heritage roll, I also picked up this drill press this weekend! Pretty clean with little use





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[d42jeep]

This makes even less sense to me. The first run of MDF made Craftsman wrenches (introduced in the 1945 catalog) were unplated and didn't have the =V= stamp on them. The unplated, un-stamped tools aren't all that common, but are still available.

I'm not arguing that wrench, or your aforementioned socket set isn't cadmium plated, but I am arguing those aren't wartime tools.

Cadmium is a rare-Earth mineral that was restricted by the US government during the war. And since Craftsman is a retail brand made by a third party for the retail market, there's no possible explanation for them being plated during WWII.

Therefore, those would have to have been made post-war. However, I still don't understand why MDF would have plated any Craftsman tools with Cadmium after the war.

Does anyone have a viable theory?

Brian

Brian,
I’ve never suggested that these tools are wartime, however Cadmium plating was commonly used on tools during during early WW2 along with Black Oxide (later) to provide rust resistance since Chromium plating was not allowed. Sometimes trying to find logic in what MDF and Sears did in the postwar years can be frustrating. Below is a picture of a cad plated wartime D-I socket set. I have quite a few examples of the early Craftsman wrenches missing the =v=, some Chrome and some Cad plated. I really can’t make sense out of it all.
-Don

 

[smschriefer]

I'll stir the pot about the cad plating v chrome. It could be war era - Korea. During that timeframe there were restrictions on the use of chrome. I had a 52 Chevy and for that year they only did single chrome plating. I've talked to people with 51 and 53 Chevys and they didn't have the same issues with chrome. Maybe that is the timeframe these tools were made?

 

[d42jeep]

I'll stir the pot about the cad plating v chrome. It could be war era - Korea. During that timeframe there were restrictions on the use of chrome. I had a 52 Chevy and for that year they only did single chrome plating. I've talked to people with 51 and 53 Chevys and they didn't have the same issues with chrome. Maybe that is the timeframe these tools were made?

You could be right but the little bit of reading I did on the subject just referred to an aluminum shortage. This cad plated =v= topic made me check my =v= 3/8” drive drawer and there were a few more pieces in there so I took some pictures. Maybe one of the ratchet experts can supply a timeframe from when this one was made.
-Don

 

[JoCoSawdust]

You could be right but the little bit of reading I did on the subject just referred to an aluminum shortage. This cad plated =v= topic made me check my =v= 3/8” drive drawer and there were a few more pieces in there so I took some pictures. Maybe one of the ratchet experts can supply a timeframe from when this one was made.
-Don

That rat is 53-56 Don. I'm looking forward to getting back home and checking all my =V= stuff out for cad plating. I know I have at least a few sockets.

 

[Rileysan]

I'll stir the pot about the cad plating v chrome. It could be war era - Korea. During that timeframe there were restrictions on the use of chrome. I had a 52 Chevy and for that year they only did single chrome plating. I've talked to people with 51 and 53 Chevys and they didn't have the same issues with chrome. Maybe that is the timeframe these tools were made?

That is very interesting. I've heard tales (in other forums) of =V= sockets being purchased around that timeframe, that were unplated. In one case, the man claimed to have his father's receipt from Sears in 1952. I had always assumed they were just old stock, but now I'm not so sure!

Brian

 

[LesserSon]

Hefted this oiler at flea today, but being marked $50, I put it back down and walked away. I had already riled another vendor over a broken 6” Stillson wrench he had marked $25.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Sweet oil can. 50$ is steep.

 

[Rileysan]

Just wanted to give a shout out to Smokeshow for trading me a rolling cabinet for parts, which had the correct front cover for my late 40s Craftsman rolling cabinet. When I bought it 5 years ago, I had no idea what it was missing, nor how difficult it would be to find the correct front cover.

I can't find any reference in the catalogs to that top chest (square corners, flat top & face), or the roller - which I suspect was purchased at the same time - and is also unusual in that 1) the badge on the bottom drawer is off-set, and 2) was not made by Advertising Metal Display, Co (AMD). Other than Smokeshow's roller, I haven't seen another one this style.

Brian

 

[bmwrd0]

I think it is in the '48 catalog, and as a long C in the 42 catalog.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Just wanted to give a shout out to Smokeshow for trading me a rolling cabinet for parts, which had the correct front cover for my late 40s Craftsman rolling cabinet. When I bought it 5 years ago, I had no idea what it was missing, nor how difficult it would be to find the correct front cover.



I can't find any reference in the catalogs to that top chest (square corners, flat top & face), or the roller - which I suspect was purchased at the same time - and is also unusual in that 1) the badge on the bottom drawer is off-set, and 2) was not made by Advertising Metal Display, Co (AMD). Other than Smokeshow's roller, I haven't seen another one this style.



Brian

Glad to help! Best $15 I ever spent [emoji23]


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[Rileysan]

I think it is in the '48 catalog, and as a long C in the 42 catalog.

Good memory!

I guessed it was the same style as those depicted in the pre-war catalogs, and if you just look at the normal catalog pages, you only see the newer style made by AMD (not saying the older chests are made by AMD, just that I don't know). I found an illustration of my top chest on the back page of the 1948 mechanic's catalog, where the ad tells you to look at the details of that chest on page 8, which then shows the newer style.

I also found my roller in the 49 catalog. I thought I had seen it before but just needed a little motivation. If not for David Maher's Craftsman catalogs DVD, I'd never find these!

Brian

 

[bmwrd0]

(As a side note for those following along at home, the '49 catalog is available here.)

I had to look really carefully at the pictures in the postwar catalogs, but you can see the square corners and that the drop-down lid isn't flat, but rather box-shaped to cover the drawer handles. I don't know if it is AMD made either, but it is quite distinctive, much like the two-drawer I came across the other day.

Also, and just a thought, many of the older catalogs with hand-drawn illustrations are more accurate than we might realize. If you think about it, those were the only representations that potential customers might see, while at the same time the illustrators, a very important position because of that, would be working from live models and products. There is every indication that they would work hard to make them as accurate as possible.

 

[d42jeep]

Thanks for posting the link to the 1949 catalog. I noticed that on the second page they refer to the sockets being triple chrome plated. That got me wondering how they talked about the finish in the 1952 catalog. Plating is mentioned but Chrome is not! Meeting a Navy specification is also mentioned.
-Don

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Good memory!

I guessed it was the same style as those depicted in the earlier catalogs, and if you just look at the normal catalog pages, you only see the newer style made by AMD (not saying the older chests are made by AMD, just that I don't know). I found an illustration of my top chest on the back page of the 1948 mechanic's catalog, where the ad tells you to look at the details of that chest on page 8, which then shows the newer style.

I also found my roller in the 49 catalog. I thought I had seen it before but just needed a little motivation. If not for David Maher's Craftsman catalogs DVD, I'd never find these!

Brian

That's a fantastic stack and great detective work Brian. Seems there's always another facet to these things popping up.

bmw: I agree that the artists renditions are pretty damned accurate through the years.

 

[drivesitfar]

Riley: I have to ask. do you like the newer red craftsman boxes better than the HERITAGE ones since you have so many of them or were they just a bit easier to find?

ALL: for some reason I wasn't subbed to this thread and HERITAGE might be my favorite era of CRAFTSMAN TOOLS.

 

[BradnCali]

I've posted this up in other threads but evidently not this one. This is my 1955 Heritage logo $20 barn find roller. I left it much the way I found it and it is right at home in my shop.

Brad

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice shop set up

 

[JoCoSawdust]

+1 on the nice shop set up. Those Heritage chests are in great shape.

 

[BradnCali]

+1 on the nice shop set up. Those Heritage chests are in great shape.

Nice shop set up

 

[chstrumpetdude]

That roller is in way better shape than the one I got last month!

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[Rileysan]

Riley: I have to ask. do you like the newer red craftsman boxes better than the HERITAGE ones since you have so many of them or were they just a bit easier to find?

ALL: for some reason I wasn't subbed to this thread and HERITAGE might be my favorite era of CRAFTSMAN TOOLS.

The red & gray are much easier to find (for cheap) and are easy to flip. Heritage era boxes are defintely my favorite!

Brian

 

[Smokeshow69]

I've posted this up in other threads but evidently not this one. This is my 1955 Heritage logo $20 barn find roller. I left it much the way I found it and it is right at home in my shop.



Brad

You got a stack with an 8 drawer for $20?[emoji15] major low pressure is detected in California!


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[drivesitfar]

Riley: I think you said your badge is missing on your new 5196 vise? if it is since you have so many table saws and other Craftsman heritage items i'm not positive, but maybe one of those badges will fit on your vise.

ALL: I almost let my 5196 go to another member and couldn't believe I even put a $ figure on it cause I might not use it, but when I build my woodshop I bet i'll find a spot for it.

these old Craftsman 519x's are some pretty decent vises and if you don't abuse them using them as an anvil, press or putting a cheater bar on the handle they might last another 70 or so years.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Added another long handle dome box to the stable today in my quest to have one of each variant. The newbie is the one in the foreground. The second pic shows the contrast in locking mechanisms. The box in the foreground ran from 1947 to 1948. In 49 the hasp changed to the more garden variety hinged hasp that continued to run through 1957 which is the last year the domes are shown in the catalogs. No changes to the interior of the box.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice domes joco! Moved my little heritage stack inside to stash some of my old craftsman stuff.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Hung up the wall cabinet set

 

[Smokeshow69]

Nice domes joco! Moved my little heritage stack inside to stash some of my old craftsman stuff.

Always good to keep the good stuff near our bed [emoji23]


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[d42jeep]

Hung up the wall cabinet set

Looks good! I have some =v= spares if you’re missing anything.
-Don