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Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Mid-Century Moto Mecca Makeover

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sakurama

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I have more of a life/philosophical question for you. This thread started with a home purchase and a major renovation. You learned carpentry and a lot of other skills long the way. Then we moved into motorcycles, bread making, antique fan collecting, model building, and now watch repair. Sprinkle in some photography tutorials along the way. I feel like I'm probably missing something in this list.

My question is how do you maintain so many hobbies? Does your mind just take you down a new rabbit hole every year or so? Do you lose interest in the old hobbies when you find something new to occupy yourself with?

Personally, I've found that I find a new interest every five years or so and tend to lose interest in older hobbies.

Oh and I do owe you a thank you for the model making posts earlier this year. My third grader in Massachusetts had to build a native american longhouse recently and I used your referral to a youtuber to give us a huge leg up on the project.

It's a problem.

What you don't see is a lot of half done projects or the rest of the unfinished house. A lot of this comes from the fact that I don't want to be miserable in work or life so I prioritize things so that I am having fun - first with the kids and then with motorcycles. Work is pretty far down the list.

Much of it comes from this insatiable desire to learn new things. I was like that as a kid but as I get older I feel like I have less time and more that I want to learn and do. I love challenges and tend to be distracted if they become too difficult or long or something blocks progress.

Things like the model project are just quick intermissions. I don't want to make that my life but I want to do a quick deep dive to learn as much as I can. I think I've mentioned it before but I abide by the 80/20 or 90/10 or whatever principle. Most of the satisfaction of learning something comes from getting good at it but there's a steeply diminishing curve as you approach the zenith of a skill or task.

Some things I'll take as far as I can - like photography when I was younger. I wanted to be the best - to know everything. I got close and worked with people who were but I saw the sacrifice that was needed to be "the best" and it was too much. To get to that place required giving up everything and I didn't want to do that. I need balance. Happiness is the most important thing so I put the brakes on anything when it starts to interfere with that. Which is why I don't work that much. I work enough but way less than a normal person. It makes me happy to not have a boss and have time to devote to other things. Judiaann is very different; she works all the time and can't shut off and it's a point of friction.

But I'll always come back to motorcycles. Always. Most of my shop and my skills stem from learning everything I can about how to build a motorcycle. I dove deep on riding as well taking many schools and private lessons so I could get seriously fast because that would inform the building. I wanted to be faster than 98% of the people and I did that. That last 2% means giving up everything else.

So watches are a diversion from the hobby in a way. I like them but they aren't the main focus. I can use machine skills and problem solving on them and that's my way to relax. If the garage was finished and the Bridgeport was in place I probably wouldn't have gone down the watch path but I'd been curious and I physically couldn't work on anything larger than a watch right now.

Same with bread or pizza. I find a small area that I can compartmentalize and then I dive in and learn a lot. Bread/pizza is an hour or two a week but after 7 years I've learned a lot. I don't want to be a baker or open a pizzeria but I want to perfect a narrow slice of something.

It seems like I'm good at a lot of things because I'm showing you things I'm interested in and working on. If you go way back in this thread you'll see that I was an average welder at best. I'm not above average but there's still plenty to learn. I'm welding like I'm making pizza - a little over a long time.

And because a post with all words is boring here's a micro project that shows I'm still learning welding and I'm not good at it yet.

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I used the slice of aluminum tube to cut some scrap foam circles.

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I machined them to interlock and then machined some caps.

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I poorly welded the caps to the tubes.

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Then machined the welds off and put some silicon onto the foam. Now I can put a watch gasket into the the device and spin the top and bottom and get the gasket covered in silicon without getting it all over my hands. This took maybe two hours and the materials probably cost as much as the one I could have bought off ebay but I got a lot of satisfaction from making this - from making a tool.

Anyway, hope that helps explain it a bit. Learn new things, keep a balance, have fun.

Gregor
 
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I got close and worked with people who were but I saw the sacrifice that was needed to be "the best" and it was too much. To get to that place required giving up everything and I didn't want to do that. I need balance. Happiness is the most important thing so I put the brakes on anything when it starts to interfere with that.

Gregor

You just neatly summed up why I never pursued my doctorate in conducting. I now fully realize just what that would take instead of daydreaming about the skills my favorite professors had. I want to be happy and at peace and pursue a wide variety of activities (none as well as you, at least at this point). I don't want to work 12 hours a day every day for the next 10 years to develop the skills I need to get to that high level, so I am content with my humble level and realize that snuggling my toddler is just plain more important than whether I'll ever conduct at the Lyric.
 

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Its a shame that the Tune Up on the Rolex didnt last. I have a Bucherer, and stand to inherit a Rolex and Omega (although I hope not too soon). I know a tune up should be done periodically but I feel like it should have lasted longer than it did, in your case.

My thoughts exactly. I would be heading back to the same shop & looking for a deep discount or extended warranty on the workmanship.
 

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I don't chime in here much, as most of what I have to say has been covered, but I would like to say thanks for taking the time to continually update this thread. It is one of the primary reasons I return to this site daily.

On a different note, I have a TAG automatic that I have had for about 15 years and it needs a tune up about every 2-3 years, because I hit it on too many door jambs probably. The tune up is a little less costly than the Rolex, 'only' $6-700, but the last one seemed to not last but about 6-9 months before it started losing time and not lasting the night on a charge. I feel you pain there. Watching your dissection and cleaning of that Seiko was very interesting and helps justify the TAG cleaning cost in my head. I have read that automatics are a different level of watch internals, so I won't be trying this at home.

Keep up the excellent posts and I look forward to your Youtube channel ... eventually.
 

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Al always Gregor....what a fun thread to visit...and now watches...LOL.

Quick story, my uncle was a Deep Water Diver with the Bedford Institute of Oceanography for years....while he retired about 10 years ago...he did some really cool stuff there, mixed gas etc....not that I know a lot about this kind of diving...LOL. They no longer allow staff to do that kind of work as it is pretty dangerous and requires specialists to dive to those depths.

Back in the day, the divers were issued Rolex Sub Mariners. He had two from his days both from the 60's...they looked like they had been around the block a few times!!! One still worked and one....well lets just say it needed work. Apparently, they are worth a fair amount of money. One has a date indicator on it and the other does not...I think its the older one.

My uncle gave my sons the watches....as a memento...to be restored when they were older....six months later my youngest had taken the watch he had to a local jeweler who recommended the watches go back to Rolex in Montreal I believe. $1200 later the watch is as good as new bar the patina. Oh, and he mowed lawns for a lot of the summer to help that watch come back to life. Hopefully it runs for another 50 years.

Thanks again for keeping this thread current and telling great stories. Grant
 

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Happiness is the most important thing so I put the brakes on anything when it starts to interfere with that. Which is why I don't work that much. I work enough but way less than a normal person. It makes me happy to not have a boss and have time to devote to other things. Judiaann is very different; she works all the time and can't shut off and it's a point of friction.

It's so informational to watch everything you're doing, and it's great to get a look at the thought process behind it all as well. I think this is a great attribute to model for the kids too because it's affirming the need for balance that seems to elude a lot of people. Demonstrating a natural curiosity and willingness to dive deep into learning is going to stick with them too.

Do your kids just assume that you can do anything and take it for granted? Hell, I think you can do anything.

I find the problem solving of manually machining moderately complex parts to be extremely rewarding and I try to make it a point to talk about it with my kids when I have to refresh my memory on some trig equations that I forgot 30 years ago. I'm getting more eye-rolls than usual these days and I'm struggling to demonstrate what it looks like to struggle because I honestly find it so relaxing.
 
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Well the new year is here and it's been 7 years that I've been working on trying to finish this thread. I thought maybe a year, I'd do a few posts and freshen up thing with a couple of photos and here we are, 3 million views later (I just saw that this thread is right behind the 12-gauge Garage - the famous post that lured most of us here) and I am no closer to finishing this damn thread than when we bought it 7 years ago.

Er, house.

You guys have been a wonderful help, source of encouragement and frankly a very indiscriminate audience. You should have higher standards frankly.

Nonetheless while I should be doing a few dozen other things I wanted to update this thread with an important and completely in keeping off topic topic. Something that I get asked about a lot and something that I love dearly, almost as much as motorcycles and certainly more than this house.

Pizza!

You can unsubscribe now - I totally get it.

It vaguely relates to this thread since it is something that I've learned about and been doing here in this house for the past 5 years at least. It's one of our family traditions - Friday is Pizza/Movie night and it's the best night of the week.

This pizza is generally referred to as "Grandma Pie" for reasons that escape me. It's not quite Chicago style, it's not deep dish but rather it's own thing. It is marked buy a crisp crust and a soft interior and a pretty intense flavor. It's also very easy as introductions to the dark arts of bread goes and will rival any pizza you've ever had delivered.

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You can use a bowl, a bin or a clear Cambro 6qt container like I'm doing. I use all Cambro stuff because it's big and simple and reliable and I can get it at the restaurant supply place. I like having lots of the same container and I like having lots of staples like flour and sugar.

Put in 375g of very hot tap water. 90-95F

You will also use a scale - set to grams - like a real cook will. Flour and most things vary in density so recipes that use weight are accurate and volume isn't. I know you guys use metric so stay with me here - a digital scale is like digital calipers... digital.

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Next you put in 1/2 tsp of yeast. Any kind, doesn't matter. And don't mention that I just switched to volume here because it's only like 2 grams so imagine we just switched to thousandths.

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12 grams of salt. Please tell me you're using Kosher salt and not Mortons. If you aren't buy Kosher next time and put it in Parmesan cheese shaker. It's more coarse, has no iodine and is used by all chefs. Like the scale.

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Here's a place where we need to be specific; flour is important since it's basically all we're using. For this pizza we're going to use bread flour. Bread flour has more protein and can develop more gluten and that gives the pizza more air bubbles and a fluffier crust. We want that. We want the structure it gives. I use Bob's because it's local and good. Any bread flour is fine and if you don't have it All Purpose will work too but not be quite as good.

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500 grams of bread flour go in the bowl. You'll use the TARE function to just reset the scale after you add each ingredient which makes this very easy.

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You could use a mixer with a dough hook but honestly your hand is way better, faster and easier to clean. Pinch and swirl the dough for maybe a minute until it's combined in a shaggy mess. Leave it for 20 minutes with a cover - either the lid to the cambro (another reason to like them) or cling wrap or a damp dish towel. You just don't want the dough to dry out at all.

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After 20 minutes scrape the dough out of the bowl and onto a counter with a sprinkling of flour (any kind - it's just running interference for us here). Stretch the dough in any direction and fold it into thirds. Now we'll kneed it for about a minute or so. The way I do it is to use one hand to push in the middle and then fold the dough in half, turn a quarter turn and fold in half pushing down with your heal. There's lots of ways to do it and what you're doing here is developing the gluten by stretching the dough.

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You'll notice that the dough will very quickly go from shaggy to very smooth as you fold and kneed it.

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This step took me a bit to figure out but basically when you fold the dough there will be a seam where the two sides meet. Place that side down. Now pull the dough towards you so that the friction of the counter sort of pulls the front edge of the dough under. It's like we're tucking in a shirt. Rotate the ball and do that again and again and again until you've gone around it and pulled the dough all under and you have a tight, smooth ball of dough with a seam underneath.

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Add about a tablespoon of olive oil to the container you were using. This will keep the dough from sticking and begin the gluttonous use of olive oil that marks this pizza. Also, you'll note that I use liquor pour spouts on my olive oil bottle - we use EVOO (extra virgin olive oil) a LOT and this makes using it easier and neater. Try it.

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Maybe I use more than 1 tbsp? You can see the dough is taught and smooth and round - that's what you're going for.

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Put the cover on your container and you're done for the next 4-6 hours. All in you can do this process in about 10 minutes or less in the morning when you get up, after coffee or whenever but time is what we need now for the yeast to do it's thing. If your house is warm it will rise more, cool less. You're looking for around 70F ideally but close is fine.

So now we'll take a quick intermission and make some sauce because you can make a way better sauce than you can buy.

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Here's all you need. If you have garden tomatoes go for it but canned tomatoes are alway ripe and work better in many ways. I like Muir Glen Fire Roasted and recently I've found they have these San Marzono Style and those are the famous Italian tomatoes most often used for pizza. This recipe is for a big batch of sauce so if you don't want to make so much just cut it down but it freezes well. Next is tomato paste, oregano, chile flakes, garlic and some fresh basil.

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Part of what makes this recipe and sauce so good is it's heavy reliance on EVOO. Oils are fats and fats transfer flavor better than anything. For this large batch we use a 1/2 cup of oil and place it in a small sauce pan on the stove over low heat.

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Place the garlic in the oil and lightly fry the peeled garlic cloves turning them once to get them golden. We're doing two things - infusing the oil with garlic flavor and softening both the bite and texture of the garlic.

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Open your tomatoes (two 28oz. cans) and tomato paste (half the small can 4oz.) as the garlic is cooking.

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Put the garlic in a blender along with the canned tomatoes and half the small can of tomato paste (4oz.) Save that oil we just used.

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You can blend this how you like - chunky or very smooth but we prefer it very smooth. It makes it much easier to spread on the pizza.

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I secretly increase my kids spice tolerance by subtlety adding heat to things but once chipotle pepper can add a little more heat and a nice soft smoke hint. Optional.

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Transfer the oil we cooked the garlic in to a much larger sauce pan than can hold all the tomato puree and heat the oil until it shimmers - low to medium heat - and add a tsp of oregano...

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...and a tsp of chile flakes. This will add some heat and depth. I'm not a fan of the sweet sauces but you could skip this if you hate heat. It's not much heat - my kids don't notice it.

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At this point I will put in a few fresh stems of basil to infuse the oil with some of the flavor. We sauté this for just a minute or less - you don't want to burn the spices.

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Add the tomato puree and quickly stir it as it will bubble and spit as it hits the hot oil. Stir the sauce and let it come to a boil and then lower the temp and simmer, covered, for about 30 minutes.

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Fish out the basil which has given it's all is no longer needed.

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I use about 1 tsp of salt but you can adjust to taste up or down. Always salt towards the end because as a sauce cooks down it will get more salty.

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Also pepper - to taste. Just those two things are the most important spices you can use in pretty much anything.

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And that is your pizza sauce. I typically make this sauce about once every two or three weeks and it serves as pasta sauce and pizza sauce and, as mentioned, freezes very well. We have these small containers that will allow us to freeze and use it in smaller quantities.

Now back to the pizza crust.

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After four or five hours it will have about doubled in size and become very soft so it's now ready to be taken out. Before we do that it's time for more olive oil. I warned you we're going to use a lot.

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Add another 2-3 tablespoons of olive oil to a half sheet baking tray (aproximately 12x17"). This is where the pizza departs things you may have known and where the intensity comes from - we're almost deep frying this dough.

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Ease the dough out onto the pan without flipping it. Pizza dough always remains upright. Then gently stretch it out in the center of the tray. It won't fit yet as it needs to relax and expand but we're going to pull it out as much as we can.

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And then drizzle more olive oil on the top of the dough. Yup.

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Then cover the dough with some plastic wrap to keep it from drying out. That's the biggest thing you want to avoid as any spot that dries out won't expand when it bakes because it's lost it's elasticity.

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Cover the tray now with a damp kitchen towel to just help make sure it stays moist. It can stay like this for hours if needed or you can give it just another 30-60 minutes to relax and rise. Longer is better with two hours about ideal.

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About an hour before you plan to eat the pizza preheat the oven to 500F and give the dough it's final stretch out to the corners of the pan. I do this by pushing the dough through the plastic wrap from the center to the edges...

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And by tugging the corners out. The dough will keep trying to retract a bit so you'll need to over stretch a bit.

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Now it's time to sauce the pizza. A few good tablespoons of sauce can be spread around with a large spoon.

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And you can now add another drizzle of olive oil if my sister is joining you because Lara loves the stuff more than you can know. But it's also adding a deepness to the pizza and surprisingly it won't feel or taste greasy. Trust me here.

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Then bake the crust with the light coating of sauce in the 500F oven (middle rack) for about 8-12 minutes depending on your oven. You're going for almost cooked here with a very slight golden tone to the edges. When it comes out I like to put a wire rack under the pizza to make sure it cools without getting soggy - not from the oil but just the trapped moisture of the dough. Soggy pizza is a no no.

So at this point the pizza crust can hang out as long as you need. You could even freeze this to be reheated or remade at any time but ideally we want to just let it cool a little while so that some of the moisture in the crust evaporates. This pre bake is what is so different than most pizzas and makes it work so well. We've cooked down that sauce so it is more intense than a regular sauce and we've used all that olive oil to seal the crust forming a barrier to our toppings so that the pizza won't become soggy when you top it.

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Now we make the actual final pizza. We sauce it again - now with as much as you want. That crust will hold up to a pretty heavy saucing.

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Slide it off the cooling rack and back into the tray. There should still be some olive oil in there but if not give just a bit more to make sure it won't stick.

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Toppings are obviously up to you. This pizza can handle a heavy load. The one exception here is cheese and I would encourage you to use fresh mozzarella - the kind you find in the refrigerator section of the grocery. It not only tastes better but it has a higher moisture content and so holds up to the heat better than the processed or shredded mozzarella that is used on lesser pizzas. Our go to is sausage, peppers, onion, olives and artichoke hearts. Or keep it simple - it works either way.

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Loaded up and ready to bake. Same temp and same time as before 8-12 minutes.

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Slide it out of the pan and onto a cutting board for serving and cut into squares. Our family loves the edges more than the center sections but even the center ones stay crisp on the bottom. The twice cooked and double sauced pizza is a real flavor bomb and very unctuous.

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You can see there's still a lot of air bubble in the crust but it's not exactly fluffy - more focaccia like. We add fresh basil after it cooks (before it tends to wilt and lose it's impact) and maybe a little fresh Parmesan grated over top. Despite this long post this is a very easy pizza to make - a super way to start making pizza at home and if you already do a fun way to break up the pizza styles with something a bit different. We typically alternate between this and "round" pizza's ever week and while I love challenge of making traditional thin crust pizzas and have gotten pretty good at it this pizza never fails to win people over.

So there you go. The shark has jumped over the table on pizza Friday (on a Wednesday). I post this because so many people see my occasional Instagram posts of pizza Fridays and ask about it. I've shared this with friends who all have enjoyed the pizza and so I wanted to share it with you. I love making this and love that it's become a tradition in our house. It's easy and it's good and I hope you are inspired to give it a try.

Next up will be garage stuff - this is going to be a very busy month.

Gregor
 
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You guys have been ...................frankly a very indiscriminate audience. You should have higher standards frankly.

That's a hell of a way to wish us a Happy New Leap Year!

I believe our collective low standards are quite high enough already, thank you very much. Some of us have worked very hard to get them this low.:lol_hitti

I'm having trouble believing that a pizza that basically takes all day to make is all that easy to make. You've done two things here; made me very hungry, and convinced me that I'll never get sucked in to making my own pizza. Just the idea of shopping for all that stuff makes me want to grab a DeGiorno or even, the perhaps too sweet for some, Papa John's. I just don't have a palate sensitive enough to get a payoff for all that work.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all your posts, even the Seiko stuff (I'm a 80's Casio guy myself, replace the battery and I'm good to go) and I did get some of those blue silicone mats because of you. However, don't wait for us to all follow suit making pizza that takes all day before it goes in the oven, and then actually has to go in the oven twice. :headscrat


You do pizza like you do just about everything, much better than most of us. So no more talk about us raising our standards, Turkeys are never going to soar with the likes of you eagles....we just enjoy looking up and dreaming. :bowdown:

(Oh, Happy New Year to the sakurama family and to all the followers of this thread, be ye turkeys, or be ye eagle wannabes. :) )
 
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I'm having trouble believing that a pizza that basically takes all day to make is all that easy to make.

Ha! Yeah, I did a bad job of making it seem simple. It doesn't take all that long but the time is stretched over a day. 10 min in the morning, 5 in the afternoon and maybe another 20-30 in the evening if you don't count the sauce.

But I get it. It's not for everyone but if someone has been wanting to try it this is a pretty darn good option to start with.

Anyway, to warm up with some actual garage content...

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Right before Christmas I rented a Scarifier which is a tool that sounds exactly as scary as it is. It's essentially a giant gas powered pavement/concrete grinder. Typically used to remove those steps that happen when a root lifts up a sidewalk and the blocks don't align. Or things like that.

In my case I've had an issue with the garage flooding when there's a heavy rain. It was originally a carport that they put walls around so it wasn't exactly built correctly. And like much of the house additions were done poorly; in this case when the driveway was repaved they actually built it up higher than the garage floor so water would actually run into the garage. I didn't know this for the first year.

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To try to level out this area I used the scarifier like you would sand bodywork - going across at right angles in light passes to remove the highest spots. Back and forth, back and forth. You can see that I ended up taking out a big stretch of the top layer.

So in order to make room for the Bridgeport I have to move pretty much everything. If I replace the garage door with the two doors I bought I'll be able to put machines/tools against that new wall and free up space in the middle of the shop where I'll put my table. It should give me room to breath and room to work.

So that wall that I'm planning on building should not be a gutter which is why I did this.

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In addition to this Lara and I cleared out the upper driveway and gutters on the street to direct rain away from the garage. So far the garage has stayed dry through the past few weeks of heavy rains. I should have maybe tried to trench a drain passage from the corner of the garage down but it's still draining.

Which leads me to the next thing. I was invited to show a bike again in the 1 Show this year. I haven't started on the new BMW because the shop is a mess but I'm not going to miss the chance to be in the show and I have a smaller project I've been wanting to do so I'm going to buckle down and work my *** off for the next month.

Which means the mill needs to be setup - no matter what. So this Friday my sister and my friend Nick are coming over to help me get the mill into the shop and placed and to move the equipment around to make better use of the space. If you've ever felt like dead lifting a Bridgeport and have nothing better to do Friday drop me a note!

As a bonus I will make that pizza at the same time proving it's not too hard. So, beer and pizza and the chance to tip over a 2800lb mill - how could you resist?

Gregor
 

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Growing up food was something picked based on convenience, rushed through to do something else. Luckily I met my wife, and got exposed to the Chinese attitude towards food. That attitude is very much “ Eating well is the whole point of getting up in the morning”. You’ve got to eat, so why not do it as well as possible? That’s been a huge change for me, not just because of the great food, not just because cooking still counts as making something, but because of the attitude shift of “make the mundane **** you have to do great”. So I’m totally down for some all day pizza. Thanks a ton for sharing, hope to screw up my first one Sunday
 

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As a bonus I will make that pizza at the same time proving it's not too hard. So, beer and pizza and the chance to tip over a 2800lb mill - how could you resist?
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Gregor,
I would happily be there to help, but 3,000 miles is a little much to surmount by Friday.....so sorry:lol_hitti

Good luck with the heavy lifting.
 
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Gregor, that pizza is pretty close to what is called Detroit Style. Look up the Grandma Pie from Old Fourth Ward Pizza in the Atlanta area if you want to learn more. That said, your twice bake makes that a lot closer to a focaccia than a traditional pizza. I am more of a Neapolitan style guy, and can crank out three or four 16”pies in about 20 minutes of forming and firing. I usually cook them on my BGE on a baking stone. I need more heat though, and my wife has agreed that I can build a brick oven out back once we get the kitchen done.

Another great resource on deep technique for pizza is an episode of the Chef Show on Netflix. Jon Favreau hangs out with Roy Choi and just cooks. They hit a small Neapolitan joint near LA that is all about the technique. They are doing a sourdough started crust which is what I want to tackle next. My usual Caputo 00 at 65% hydration isn’t giving me the loft along th edge that I want.

And good luck on the new bike build. I’ll be following on ig.
 
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Gregor,
I would happily be there to help, but 3,000 miles is a little much to surmount by Friday.....so sorry:lol_hitti

Good luck with the heavy lifting.

Thanks! I've found a few unwary volunteers so Friday it's happening.

“make the mundane **** you have to do great”. So I’m totally down for some all day pizza. Thanks a ton for sharing, hope to screw up my first one Sunday

This. I'm all about that. Can't achieve it in all aspects of my life but I try.

Gregor, that pizza is pretty close to what is called Detroit Style...

I usually cook them on my BGE on a baking stone. I need more heat though, and my wife has agreed that I can build a brick oven out back once we get the kitchen done.

Another great resource on deep technique for pizza is an episode of the Chef Show on Netflix. Jon Favreau hangs out with Roy Choi and just cooks. They hit a small Neapolitan joint near LA that is all about the technique. They are doing a sourdough started crust which is what I want to tackle next. My usual Caputo 00 at 65% hydration isn’t giving me the loft along th edge that I want.

And good luck on the new bike build. I’ll be following on ig.

Yes, I've heard about Detroit Style. Grandma Pie was something that we learned about in NY. Actually Jwoo turned me on to it and I went to a few places and tried it and loved it. My recipe is pretty much from Ken Forkish's book on Pizza which is a fantastic reference and my pizza bible but I will usually add starter and do it overnight. But I wanted to keep this simpler to encourage people to try it.

Because honestly pizza is already flat - you really can't screw it up. Any homemade pizza is better so give it a shot.

And sourdough starter and Caputo and the BGE - yup - doing all of that as well. Although my hydration is much closer to 70-72% which you might find helps with the bubbling. The BGE (Big Green Egg) is good and can work well but you fight the direction of the heat - diffuser, grill, stone. By the time I get it to 650-700 the stone will burn the crust before the top cooks. I have started spraying the stone with water before putting the pizza on and reading the temps with the digital infrared thermometer. I want a pizza oven too.

Ken Forkish - Elements of Pizza


This is my main reference and bible. It's excellent.

Gregor
 

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I just spend about 16 hours behind a two head concrete grinder. It was hard work. After seeing what you did, I would have been better off with the scarifyer.

Bridgeport’s aren’t bad to move if you have a machinery pry bar and a few lengths of pipe/round bar. I moved my 6000 pound mill several feet last week that way by myself.

I saw your new bike build stuff on IG looks fun!

Happy new year!
 

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And sourdough starter and Caputo and the BGE - yup - doing all of that as well. Although my hydration is much closer to 70-72% which you might find helps with the bubbling. The BGE (Big Green Egg) is good and can work well but you fight the direction of the heat - diffuser, grill, stone. By the time I get it to 650-700 the stone will burn the crust before the top cooks. I have started spraying the stone with water before putting the pizza on and reading the temps with the digital infrared thermometer. I want a pizza oven too.

Ken Forkish - Elements of Pizza


This is my main reference and bible. It's excellent.

Gregor

On the egg setup, I put the diffuser in upside down and then put the stone on that. It gives a bit more ceramic mass to get the spring as well as letting the fire bowl breath a little better. I’ll try the higher hydration. My crust starts from a very basic 5:3 bread ratio I got from one of Michael Ruhlman’s books. I try to give the dough a day or two to rise in the fridge. That said, I can push it and have it ready to roll in about two hours.
 
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Which means the mill needs to be setup - no matter what. So this Friday my sister and my friend Nick are coming over to help me get the mill into the shop and placed and to move the equipment around to make better use of the space. If you've ever felt like dead lifting a Bridgeport and have nothing better to do Friday drop me a note!



As a bonus I will make that pizza at the same time proving it's not too hard. So, beer and pizza and the chance to tip over a 2800lb mill - how could you resist?



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Yeay!! You know if I was even kinda close I’d be there (pizza or no pizza). I’ll support emotionally from afar.

You were kidding about deadlifting right? ;)

Make sure the head is swung down, it’s gets the mill a lower center of gravity. Get 4 pieces of 1/2” gas pipe or tubing. Move it the Egyptian way -

Remember, pics or it didn’t happen.
 
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Yeay!! You know if I was even kinda close I’d be there (pizza or no pizza). I’ll support emotionally from afar.

You were kidding about deadlifting right? ;)

Make sure the head is swung down, it’s gets the mill a lower center of gravity. Get 4 pieces of 1/2” gas pipe or tubing. Move it the Egyptian way -

Remember, pics or it didn’t happen.

Head is already down and moving it that way is exactly the plan but the first issue to tackle is that it's still on it's pallet. Getting it off the pallet is the only scary thing - 4 inches of terror.

For the uninitiated the issue is that the mill is sitting on a 4" tall pallet that is about 4'x4' so my engine hoist can't straddle the base to reach the ram and lift the mill. You can't just dead lift 2800lbs and slide the pallet out. Options are to cut the pallet down as close to the base of the mill as possible while moving new boards in to support it. Once the engine hoist can lift it the pallet can slide out and it can go onto pipes. From there it's pretty easy - that video shows how you can roll and pivot the mill with a couple of pipes.

Another option I've read about is to lift it with the pallet jack and then destroy the pallet so that all that's left is the thin boards on the top of the pallet jacks forks. Then use blocks of 3/4" ply squares to support it at the corners so the pallet jack can be removed and then pry it up and remove one level of blocks at a time.

Luckily Sean Chaney has said he can swing by for a bit and he also has experience with lifting large machines so between the two of us and the extra hands that volunteered (pizza seems to work as currency) we should be able to figure this out. The below link is a time lapse of me trying to figure out the layout - sadly video that can't be embedded is more hassle than it's worth.

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Sean coined the best term for this game: Shop Tetris

Well, as they say, "where there's a mill there's a way!"

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Head is already down and moving it that way is exactly the plan but the first issue to tackle is that it's still on it's pallet. Getting it off the pallet is the only scary thing - 4 inches of terror.



Another option I've read about is to lift it with the pallet jack and then destroy the pallet so that all that's left is the thin boards on the top of the pallet jacks forks. Then use blocks of 3/4" ply squares to support it at the corners so the pallet jack can be removed and then pry it up and remove one level of blocks at a time.





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Yeah getting it off the pallet...you planning to use leveling feet? The pallet jack idea got me thinking - if you plan to use a good set of leveling feet you might just be able to use the pallet jack to get the mill into position, break away the bottom of the pallet (like you were saying) and the set it down directly on the leveling feet and then lower the pallet jack and just back it out. I’ll measure the thickness of the set I have when I get home but they have to be about 1 1/2” thick and they can be made taller.

Here’s what I’m using. A little overkill but that’s how I roll - Mighty Mount Leveling Mount MM120118 Vibration Control Mount https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BOGW1Q4/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Searched and it seems others have had this idea already. Guess it depends if you can get a pallet jack to sit under your mill and leave you access to the feet mounting locations. Guess you could build your own out of steel that are wider.

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I called a tow truck and he lifted it off my trailer, we pulled that out and he dropped it half on the garage slab half on the driveway and it was cake after that, cost me $50.
 

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The fastest, most effective and safest way is to just rent a forklift for the day. It'll cost you a couple hundred bucks, but it is so, so worth it.

I've moved a couple Bridgeport mills without the pleasure of a forklift. I do have a few tricks.

I've hired a tow truck to crane it onto my trailer, it worked but it cost me a couple hundred. I have also used loader tractors and bobcats, neither one was awesome but they did work.

If you want to do the Egyptian method and avoid machinery, I've used this method with success.

If you can get some, get yourself a couple 4 or 5' chunks of 3 or 4" angle iron, about 1/4" wall. Using a prybar off some cribbing or something, put the angle under the mill parallel with the Y axis. Snug it up as tight to the base as you can. This is done with the mill still on the pallet. Don't pry off the pallet if you can help it. Crib right down to the floor in between the pallet boards.

Make sure you have a foot or so of angle sticking out each end of the mill. You can now connect them together. Either weld them together or make some bolt flanges. But you need them tied together.

Now you have a foundation to build a little cradle off of. You can weld or bolt on some pieces of tubing to act as risers. Make these high enough you can fit a floor jack under it. Do this on both sides.

Now you can lift on the front and rear, then slide the pallet out the sides. If you can, do the rear first, and put two cribs or stands out on each side, then one in the front making a tripod.

Make sure the head is inverted and the knee is down quite a ways. You'll also want some stabilizing arms or helpers keeping everything stable.

If you have access to the threaded leveling feet holes, you can also bolt some bars or big square tubes across them in a somewhat clever fashion and use those as rigging points.

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The fastest, most effective and safest way is to just rent a forklift for the day. It'll cost you a couple hundred bucks, but it is so, so worth it.

Sadly Gregor’s garage has a really low ceiling. Until we tear the roof off to build the second floor...:see:
 

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Which means the mill needs to be setup - no matter what. So this Friday my sister and my friend Nick are coming over to help me get the mill into the shop and placed and to move the equipment around to make better use of the space. If you've ever felt like dead lifting a Bridgeport and have nothing better to do Friday drop me a note!

As a bonus I will make that pizza at the same time proving it's not too hard. So, beer and pizza and the chance to tip over a 2800lb mill - how could you resist?

Gregor

Lets see, I'm done teaching around 4, if I get on the Guzzi right away I can hit I-80 at Iowa City by 4:30, that puts me on the west coast by..... hmmm.... maybe I'll just wait for the thread to update :) Good luck!!
 
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Well I made enough pizza dough if you feel like leaving tonight and riding straight through over the Rockies!

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This seems to be the layout I'm coming back to. Moving the four tool chests away from the wall where they block outlets and into the middle where I can build a bench over/around them. One of the issues I have with my small space is no table space to work on aside from the welding table. Some of that issue is my inherent messiness but I blame that on the lack of storage and space. Which comes from having too many tools. It's a chicken and egg thing.

My thought is to keep the mill, lathe, welding table and tig all close as they're the focus. The second bench will be on top of the four tool boxes. I can put a few tools on the end but the goal would be to keep it clear for things like engine building, wheel building etc. The space by the doors can be used to park 1-2 bikes with the rest in the living room. The brake, sheer and notcher don't need power so the new wall and door would be a good space for them.

I'm unsure about where to put the compressor but I'm leaning now towards behind the mill. I did pull the trigger on a single phase motor for the new compressor so the old one will be moved and sold this week. I hemmed about a VFD but you need to double the VFD size for compressors because of the start up draw. In the end I found the exact Baldor motor I needed today on ebay, made an offer and snagged it. Between selling the old compressor and the 3 phase motor I will break even or maybe come out ahead.

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Remember this shelf/cabinet I made almost 6 years ago! It's been home to all my small stock which I didn't have all that much of back then. Over the years I've been filling that up and up.

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A few weeks ago I noticed that it wasn't flush to the wall anymore. That is bad but I figured it made it 6 years so it could make another few weeks until we would take it down and move it.

That was today. As Lara and I removed the stock bins I put each one on my scale to see just how much weight was in the shelf. I also couldn't remember how it was held - with one or two french cleats.

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I didn't weigh the actual shelf but I'll call that 20lbs - so all told that shelf was holding 295lbs! On a single french cleat at the top of the cabinet. Bonkers.

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I through drilled the sides to the top but I pocket screwed the cleat to the cabinet. Also, each shelf was pocket drilled. None of the shelves deflected at all and the max weight on any one shelf was maybe 40lbs. but the cheap shop grade plywood was pulling apart on one side. I suspect that if I'd made this with baltic birch it would have held strong even with pocket screws but I probably should have through drilled the cleat from the sides. And probably should have used two cleats or just a brace at the bottom. The cabinet is about 16" so I had to angle drill the cleat in the wall to catch the studs but all in all a single french cleat holding 300lbs is very impressive.

I will do a better job securing this cabinet when it gets rehung.

Thanks for the various suggestions on getting the mill off the pallet. As Ben mentioned my garage door is only about 6'6" or less so a forklift isn't an option but I'll call our local equipment rental place in the morning just in case they have some low profile fork. Otherwise we're going to lift like an Egyptian.

And while I would love to build the wall and hang those doors I need to focus on the build so only getting the mill in place for now. After the show I'll finesse the rest of the shop into place.


Stay tuned.

Gregor
 
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You can crib it down with a pry bar. Raise it high enough to get the floor jack out, put piles of 3/4 plywood squares on each corner to set it on.
Lower onto plywood stacks.
Use pry bar to lift corner enough to remove one layer of plywood.
Adjacent corner next such that you lower the front first.
Repeat for each rear corner. Now it’s 3/4 closer to the floor.
Start over again.
I’ve done this several times.
I did this a couple weeks ago by myself on a 6000 pound mill.
 

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I've used a local rigging company to move a bridgeport once or twice for work using a Hilman Transporter and some rollers. Might be worth a shot to call a rigging company nearby and ask them what they could do. Plus, the Hillman Transporter is fun to watch/use. Rigging companies have so many tools for moving heavy equipment like this at their disposal.
 

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Well worth considering a small gantry crane. Some will adjust that low. Personally, I would probably just build one out of wood to do the lift, then break it down afterwards. Or tack a 4x4 to the ceiling rafters to prevent right/left movement, put vertical 4x4s down to the floor to support the weight (unless your rafters are strong enough), secure top/bottom firmly, and then use a chain fall to lift the mill up 1/2 inch or so, then lower it to the floor. Bear in mind, what I actually do is use my 2-post lift to put any heavy machinery I own on wheels so I never have to deal with the problem again...
 
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Thanks for the many suggestions. We had a great group of people show up today to help get the mill off the pallet and into place. If you check my Instagram stories today you can see some video of the moving - it was not an easy thing but went as well as we could ask.

So first of all thanks to Sean, Nick, Rob, Shahin, Ben and of course Lara. With their amazing help the whole thing went perfect. I want to especially thank Sean because he was unquestionably the most cautious and I really wanted and needed someone who has moved machines and could temper any of my lets-go-for-it attitude.

Sorry to disappoint the 15% who thought we'd drop it! :lol_hitti

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Sadly I didn't really spend too much time documenting the process as it really required all hands on deck. We started with moving the mill and pretty much everything in the garage outside to create a clear path to the back corner.

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We hoped to use the engine hoist to lift the mill enough to slide the pallet out but the base wasn't wide enough to straddle the mill and reach. We decided to build platforms 3/4" lower and use pipes and levers to push the mill from one platform off the edge to the next, then reduce the first side by 3/4" again and push it back. We did that about 7-8 times maybe until we finally got the mill down to the actual floor. Once on the floor it wasn't too hard to move.

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In fact Lara just pushed it into place by herself.

Not.

I put the new compressor into the same corner despite planning to move it closer to the door. I moved the media cabinet out of the machine tool line up (you shouldn't have abrasive machines next to machine tools lest the grit gets on the ways) and with that space open shoved the lathe down to make space for the mill. My goal as I'm placing the machines is a solid 36" of space to walk between machines and tables/lifts. I am so tired trying to squeeze between things that I'm going to try to get rid of a few tools just to help gain some space back - so the tire machine and one of the drill presses will be going on sale tomorrow along with the old compressor. In fact Nick decided to take home that BMW R100RS that I'd bought hoping to flip or use as a project base. I sold it to him for exactly what I paid just happy to have the space and for it to go to a good home. Thanks Nick!

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I wish I didn't have to put most of that stuff back in because having the empty floor space was just the best feeling ever. It was a filthy floor as the several years of leaks and floods made a massive mess and, for the record, the tile floor was certainly a mistake. Quite a few of the tiles have broken and it's been very hard to clean.

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Nonetheless Lara and I stayed up and tried to scrub the floors as much as possible before having to move in as much of the stuff as we could. Tomorrow we'll finish pushing things around and then I'll start on getting the mill up and running.

I was contemplating not going through it until after the 1 Show but my friend Scott Kolb convinced me to just jump on it and spend the day or so to get it wired, running and the DRO installed. He's right so I'm going to do that. I did however at least plug in the power feed and was thrilled (as you might have seen on IG) that it started right up. Even the machine light worked although it was covered with sticky old coolant.

So I'm thrilled. Owning a Bridgeport has been a goal for the last 20 years and, I just double checked again, I have one in my garage. I couldn't be happier right now.

Gregor
 
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It’s the little(big!) things in life right Gregor?

Congratulations. Looks great and can’t wait to see what you build with it first.


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Congrats. Machinery purchases and getting them home, set in place, powered up, sorted out, tooled up and finally running is a big job. It takes a ton of planning, time, money and can’t be done alone. Once it’s part of your workflow it’s a genuine game changer. I have a big (to me) CNC knee mill project going right now. I can’t wait to be able to walk up to it and put it to work.

Enjoy your Saturday with the Bridgeport!
 

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...........So I'm thrilled. Owning a Bridgeport has been a goal for the last 20 years and, I just double checked again, I have one in my garage. I couldn't be happier right now.

Gregor

I know this feeling very well. :thumbup: Congrats on getting things sorted out and put in place.

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Congrats Gregor. Always wanted a Bridgeport since I worked on one when I was younger. Eagerly awaiting the new bike build.
 
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