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New Hazet ratcheting wrenches vs used Snap-On vs something else?

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Looking for a good set of metric ratcheting combination wrenches. Yes I know this comes up a lot but practically all the topics are about Gearwrench and I don't usually see other brands compared. I want combination wrenches that are reversible, all sizes 8-19mm if possible. The Hazet 606 I'm looking at can be had for about $260+ shipping. One difference I see is that the Hazet have a 13º bend in them and the SO are flat, not really sure which is better. My budget is around $300 so I would have to go used to get a full SO set, although the new flank drive ones do look really nice.

Before you say "why are you even looking at Hazet, that's a weird choice", they would fit in with my other tools (see username) and German cars.
 
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I have a lot of Snap-on tools and really like them but I think they missed the boat on this one. I The lack of offset makes them hard to use in almost any place I might want them. I don't know much about Hazet. The only Hazet wrenches I have are very thin and super uncomfortable to use. I never thought about trying any others.
 

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Hazet ratcheting wrenches are made by Hi-Five in Taiwan so unless you really like the beam design you're not getting a German product. You could just as well be considering something like Carlyle or even the new HF Icons. All are good quality Taiwan ratcheting wrenches.

The new SOXRRMs are super nice. The Snap-on reversible combos always had a 15* offset. Only the non-reversible and extra long double box are 0*. And of course you have the FD+ open ends which work great.
 

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I’ve got just about everyone’s offerings in rat wrenches. Couple years ago I bought a complete set of toptul 15 degree offset reversible and flipping luv them.
 

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The bottom line is that ratcheting wrenches are one of those things that eventually break when used hard. I would just go with whatever is easy to warranty. Anything that is more expensive than Gearwrench is marginally better at best and not worth the extra expense to me. I'd be far more concerned about what type of ratcheting wrench vs brand or COO.
 

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I can't speak for Hazet because, I don't own any.

However, i really like these Proto ratcheting wrenches.

https://www.zoro.com/proto-ratcheting-wrench-set-combination-jscvmt-13s/i/G6764432/#specifications

Now, even though they're branded Proto, this set is Taiwan made. I really feel Taiwan has the modern ratcheting wrench market covered.

Like many other Journal members, i have ratcheting wrenches from truck and non truck brands. My favorite would be the old US made Matco Proswing 12 point version with a fixed boxed end on one side and a 72 tooth ratcheting boxed end on the other side.
Sadly, these are no longer made but, Matco offers a KABO made set with spline boxed ends and a 90 tooth ratcheting action.
Some of my other favorite ratcheting wrenches include : Blackhawk, Dewalt, Sunex, OEM Tools, Carlyle, and MAC. Good luck in your quest :beer:
 

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The SK X-Frame ratcheting wrenches are very, very nice. You would be making a mistake by not giving them some attention.

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The SK X-Frame ratcheting wrenches are very, very nice. You would be making a mistake by not giving them some attention.

-- Dave

I saw those and I really love that they are 6 point, but unless I'm mistaken they aren't reversible and I also heard they have some quality control issues?
 

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The SK X-Frame ratcheting wrenches are very, very nice. You would be making a mistake by not giving them some attention.

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I like SK but they missed the boat for me due to being non reversible
 

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I use the blue point/ Williams reversibles and like them, they're easy to rebuild/clean
 

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I like SK but they missed the boat for me due to being non reversible

Indeed. All SK had to produce was a reasonably priced, 15 degree offset, reversible wrench that was forged and finished in the United States, likely with a Tawainese ratcheting mechanism.

Instead we get the XFrame "solution" that is searching for a problem, trim removal tools, FlexZone impact sockets, and rebranded aluminum toolboxes.

Meanwhile the hex and Torx inserts are still awful.


Oh, answering the original question: used Snap On with your budget.
 

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Hazet ratcheting wrenches are made by Hi-Five in Taiwan so unless you really like the beam design you're not getting a German product. You could just as well be considering something like Carlyle or even the new HF Icons. All are good quality Taiwan ratcheting wrenches.

The new SOXRRMs are super nice. The Snap-on reversible combos always had a 15* offset. Only the non-reversible and extra long double box are 0*. And of course you have the FD+ open ends which work great.



Gedore makes ratcheting wrenches in Germany. Reversible with offset and the non reversible. The 7UR and 7R.

Older versions were from Taiwan, the new ones are serviceable because of the screw on lid.



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I own the Hazet's. They are not worth it.

I would go for the Facom 467B's

Yes the Facom or USAG are proper nice.
Also the ICON set pretty good and looks be made by hi-five .
I have facom and ICON as wanted longer pattern wrench, while most ICON stuff not great the ratchet wrenches are a gem for price with 20% or more coupon and easy warranty, been used hard & daily in auto shop and they certainly good enough.
Taiwan makes most ratchet wrenches due to patents, Rotar (toptul) makes Facom, even the Stahlwille are made in taiwan .
SK Xframes not great due to drag and ring bulk of 6 pawls and x design handle to ring width creating swing arc obstacle over more standard design .
You can waste couple hundred bucks over facom and ICON and have no better or even worse ratchets in real world use .
The new Gedore with "made in Germany" stamped in the forging quite good but thick ring, the older style Gedore is made by Infar and they not the best Taiwan ratchet offering, Gedore also branded the Infar made ones under their lower cost brand name .
With Ratchet wrenches the name on the wrench doesn't always relate to expectation, you really got know the OEM, Rotar and hi-five make some world class ratchet wrenches .
 
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Hazet ratcheting wrenches are made by Hi-Five in Taiwan so unless you really like the beam design you're not getting a German product. You could just as well be considering something like Carlyle or even the new HF Icons. All are good quality Taiwan ratcheting wrenches.

The new SOXRRMs are super nice. The Snap-on reversible combos always had a 15* offset. Only the non-reversible and extra long double box are 0*. And of course you have the FD+ open ends which work great.

I’ll +1 to the SOXRRM set. I have them from 8-19mm and coming from someone who isn’t a wrench person at all, and generally always prefers a ratchet + socket, I have to say it’s one of the best purchases I made. These are just a standard 15 degree offset, and are slightly longer than their non ratcheting version. There’s an issue with the 9mm binding more than the 8mm and 10mm. I replaced it once. It may be a minor design issue with the spring, so I’m waiting to see if it just wears in. I thought these were rebuildable, but Snap-on reversed their policy on that and just replaces the entire wrench now. You can open it and clean/oil it though).

I also really love the long double box ratcheting set Snap-on makes. I picked up 8-19mm in those also. Their mechanism is insanely strong (7-8 teeth pawls).

You can easily find the Snap-on offset ratcheting in the newer style for $300
 

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Here's a link to the USAG 12 piece set, missing the 9mm:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XQ4MGQW/?tag=atomicindus08-20

They are quite good, as are the Snap-on SOXRRM.

If you can still find the Dewalt reversible ratcheting wrenches for a good price, they are similar to the Facom/USAG (but no spring in the ratcheting ring to act as a stop for the bolt head). Looks like Home Depot has them online for $84.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-...eting-Wrench-Set-12-Piece-DWMT19230/301868435

The Hazet are ok, but simply not worth it. At the $$, you are in good used Snap-on SOXRRM territory.
 
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I’ve got a couple of these things. Never bought a set, just a couple as I’ve found uses for them. I don’t use them a whole lot.

Most of them are either made in Taiwan, or the ratcheting ends are. I’m not convinced there’s a whole lot of difference between any of them. The weakest areas are the ratcheting ends. They are never going to be as strong as a box end.

Shown below are a Gedore 10mm and a Snap On 13mm. Neither are supposed to be made in Taiwan, but the Snap On omits the usual ‘USA’, and the Gedore the ‘Germany’, which makes me wonder.

Of the three, the Snap On is probably the best. I know some folks have commented on the lack of offset, but in an application where I need one of these wrenches, such as exhaust bolts, it’s not a problem. I wouldn’t currently pay the premium that Snap On currently charge for these in the U.K. I don’t think these are one of their better products, although I know the design has been changed. I did also get a set of the midget ones on a deal. I had to return one as the ratchet kept slipping, and two of the remainder have the ratchet mechanism reversed, so you never know which way round the tool you pick up will work. Not great quality.

Folks have also commented about the Hazet being made in Taiwan. I don’t know if the whole wrench originates there, or if they forge the wrench in Germany and add a Taiwanese ratcheting box. If it was the latter, that would be more acceptable to me, but I suspect German law would prohibit them from putting ‘Made in Germany’ on it.

First pic shows the Snap On and Gedore together for comparison.

How often do folks use the open end? Personally, I think I prefer the old style ratcheting box end wrench shown in the second pic. I’ve heard it said that the heads on these are ‘too thick’ or ‘too wide’ but as you can see, they’re similar to, or even better than, the Gedore ratcheting combo. This tool is also way better quality than the comparable ratcheting combo.

Another option would be the Wera Joker. If you’re not familiar with these, they combine a ratcheting box end with basically a line / flare nut wrench on the other. I Used one for the first time this weekend and they work well.

If I really wanted a ratcheting combo I think I’d try an SK X frame. They do seem to be made in the U.S. and look decent, but I think I’d just get one to try out first! I know you said you wanted reversible, but for me the overall quality would be more important!

Edit - I’ve just noticed that Gedore have changed the design of their wrenches. They look much more like their No 7 combo wrench now, and also say ‘Made in Germany’, so probably are!
 

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I have a set of the Facom 467a's that I bought off of amazon.de when the price dipped. Ended up being like $130 delivered. Also picked up a set of the JSCVT series Proto which are the same mechanism in fractional sizes. The Proto have ASD on the open end. Should you care to see more I reviewed them here. Both are SBD Taiwan produced. You can see how they are virtually identical in my photos.

I already had non reversing ratcheting wrenches from Crescent and Masterforce (IIRC). These seem much better built, and slimmer overall around the ratcheting end, improving access.

I have a buddy who owns the SK X-Frame set and he is very happy with them. Apparently they are quite strong with the three pawls.

I'm just a DIY guy so I don't reef on them all day everyday.

My Opinion: Hard to beat the Proto reversing ratchets from Zoro with a 25% coupon. I prefer the Facom/USAG for their contour and satin finish, but sourcing and warranty with Proto will be a lot easier.
 
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Gedore makes their own, it’s based on the U20 ratchet.


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I went through this recently, looking specifically for offset reversible ratcheting combination wrenches. Like JiminAZ, I had it narrowed down to Proto and Facom. I did not want the ASD teeth, and ended up with the Facom 467(a) off Amazon.de. I think I paid a bit over $300 for both SAE and metric sets combined and have been very happy with them. I would like to try the OGV contouring in the B versions someday.
 

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Also been looking at ratchet wrenches lately and see Unior have an interesting design with a 'stop ring.' I assume they are also Taiwan.

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Also reversible box on both ends.

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https://uniortools.com/eng/category/940654/ratchet-wrenches
 

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Saw these few days ago. They look - nice. As it happened with most of Unior stuff, I recommend not buying. Dropped quality horribly.

Good design feature though. I ran into this scenario today, had to tighten some bolts and ratcheting wrench kept slipping through. :mad:
 

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Facom 467b you get the removable stop ring clip, one of slimmest box walls available, practical ergonomic design and finish plus they not always that costly if shop around and available standard and metric ...
 

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Facom 467b you get the removable stop ring clip, one of slimmest box walls available, practical ergonomic design and finish plus they not always that costly if shop around and available standard and metric ...

They have a stop ring built in?
 

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^ Yes, bypass/removable stop ring .
467b 467as etc

 
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If you can get yours hands on the Elora ratcheting wrenches, they are phenomenal. Elora is a German brand (though I don't know if the wrenches are made in Germany) and they have an offset and are reversible. They are extremely well made and are by far my favorite ratcheting wrenches. Sometimes they are 9nAmazon but you may need to look around now.

An example is here: https://www.tools-giant.com/item.php?id=98838079&lang=en
 

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The Wera Joker is worth a look. Wera seems to specialize lately in gimicky technology. But the Jokers are very nice. Made in CZ.

 

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I got one of the Joker wrenches to try out did not like it would round off the bolts.
 

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Gedore makes ratcheting wrenches in Germany. Reversible with offset and the non reversible. The 7UR and 7R.

I have them. They're pretty poor if im honest. The lever is pressed on so it can get lost and they're super coarse.

Other than touting German made and having really thin open ends they really have no point. GW 120XP, Carlyle, HF Icon (to name a few) are all roughly half the price for a better product.

Parts are also non-existent for the NA market. The last thing I don't like is they also offered XL and stubby versions then quickly discontinued them. Makes me question how long they'll stand behind the products.

For a German tool company in NA Gedore is a distant third to Hazet and Stahwille. My opinion anyway.
 
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Yeh the ICON ratchet wrenches are actually a prety decent buy, if you got a 20% plus voucher well worth making most of it .

With ratchet wrenches you got overlook brands and totally judge tool on it's merits physically .
Facom are really decent usable wrenches as are ICON, most Taiwan out of rotar group hi-five and newer design Infar are decent, snap-on decent too .
Stahlwille Gedore Hazet not worth the outlay .
 
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