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Str8-n-Flat

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I picked up this grinder, pilots and stones. I will be using it on my straight 8 flathead.

Does anyone have any experience with this tool and can give some pointers on it?
 

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I picked up this grinder, pilots and stones. I will be using it on my straight 8 flathead.

Does anyone have any experience with this tool and can give some pointers on it?

I used one back in the 1960s. You have one of the best seat grinders ever made. Get a manual copy. Here is a forum:

https://www.hotrodders.com/forum/hall-toledo-model-ej-valve-seat-grinder-162361.html

There are different procedures for these, and it's best to get a manual. The above site has a member willing to send anyone files for a manual via e-mail. It's an orbital machine that goes around the seat and has a downfeed knob to adjust the depth of cut.

Another place to go: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285020

Another: https://www.beamequipment.com/Equipment_Manuals-Hall_Toledo_Manuals.html
 
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Read and study the instructions printed on the box, and like ttpete says, get the manual. Practice on a few throw-away valves before you start on the good ones.
 

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Hall Toledo is still in business as well. I contacted them a few years ago regarding stones for my rigid cylinder hone and they were still available. They make an exceptional product.

hall-toledo.com

Some manuals for download are on the website under "contact us"
 
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I used one back in the 1960s. You have one of the best seat grinders ever made. Get a manual copy. Here is a forum:

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There are different procedures for these, and it's best to get a manual. The above site has a member willing to send anyone files for a manual via e-mail. It's an orbital machine that goes around the seat and has a downfeed knob to adjust the depth of cut.

Another place to go:

Hi Pete!

Thanks for sharing your encouraging experience with this tool! I downloaded the manual from the Hall-toledo site but it isn't overly detailed.. I plan to dress a stone tonight and get some practice grinding under my belt.

I really hit a honey hole when I found the person selling this grinder and in addition to the grinder picked up some other really nice vintage tools!

Read and study the instructions printed on the box, and like ttpete says, get the manual. Practice on a few throw-away valves before you start on the good ones.

Will do and thanks!

Hall Toledo is still in business as well. I contacted them a few years ago regarding stones for my rigid cylinder hone and they were still available. They make an exceptional product.

hall-toledo.com

Some manuals for download are on the website under "contact us"

Thanks Rusty!
 

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Hi Pete!

Thanks for sharing your encouraging experience with this tool! I downloaded the manual from the Hall-toledo site but it isn't overly detailed.. I plan to dress a stone tonight and get some practice grinding under my belt.

I really hit a honey hole when I found the person selling this grinder and in addition to the grinder picked up some other really nice vintage tools!



Will do and thanks!



Thanks Rusty!

If you paint the valve seat with layout ink, you can see when it cleans up and how wide the seat is.
 
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I got a little time behind this grinder - unfortunately we have a mandate in Los Angeles due to Covid-19 and are being ordered to not leave the house unless for essential items so I had to come up with alternatives for Prussian blue and a #2 pencil
 

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I just bought a handheld manual Hall Valve-Grinder with a wooden handle attached to a leather pull strap. I think that this is one of their earliest models. It does not have a model number. It does say, HALL VALVE GRINDER PATENT PENDING THE HALL MFG. CO. TOLEDO, OH USA. Just wondering if anyone is familiar with this tool? Thanks
 
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I have a Hall Toledo valve seat grinder and have used it thousands of times. I bought stones from HT about 10 years ago and as far as I know, they are still in business.

A few pointers I will suggest is to be sure to clean the valve guide so the mandrel will tighten properly. Using the tool to insert the mandrel, push it down into the valve guide and rotate it as you go down. You will feel it get a little tight. Once it is all the way in, tighten the drawbar, but just snug, do NOT horse on it!

If you over tighten the mandrels the drawbars will break easily. I bought a new 14mm mandrel a few years ago as it is, or was the most common and it finally broke the drawbar shaft. The first no-no is do not use the automatic feed, it is too fast and will ruin your stone. Feed it by hand and learn the sound of the stone contacting the seat.

Always true up your stone, but you don't have to overdue it, just make sure you see the diamond go across the stone all the way. When the stones get thin, be careful when you are truing them, they will explode!

As far as putting anything on the seat to see where it is grinding, that is a waste of time. When it rotates on its orbit you will see the sparks where the seat is high. Eventually you will see sparks come out all the way around the orbit. The seat is very shiny, there is no need to put anything on the seat, plus it is easy to just raise up the grinder and look.

You will eventually get a nice shiny seat all the way around. You can use a flatter degree stone to narrow the seat or use a narrowing tool. It fits on the mandrel and you turn it with a ratchet.

Mine is the second one I have owned. The first one my Father bought and it came in a black box. We finally wore out the orbital carriage and you had to hold the motor up or it would not grind true. The new one came in a green case and I still have it, albeit I am retired so I don't get much opportunity to use it. I certainly don't advertise work as I like being retired without any obligations except to work in my shop on my own projects. Any questions I can answer, feel free to ask. As I said, I have worn out one machine and done thousands of seats on my newer machine.

As far as fixing the old machine, it was not much more to buy a new machine than to fix the old one. One more thing, Hall advertised the machine to be so true you didn't have to lap the valves. Their demonstration was to grind a seat and compare it to a lapped seat. The ground seat held a vacuum better than the lapped seat. They are, as the gentleman above said. the best seat grinder ever made!
 

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Okay, Andrew Boesel from Hall-Toledo responded to my inquiry about the early Hall Valve Grinder. Here is his response "Eric thanks for the photos. Neat tool never seen before. Circa around late 1920's early 30s. It's a valve lapping tool for making sure valves sealed correctly. Old valves had a slot/holes in the top that the tool would fit into then spin. Really cool - thanks!"

Excellent response, Thanks Andrew

I have tried posting pictures here on the forum. I am new at this and old, but I will keep trying.
 
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