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Upset about permits and very frustrated

David Ferguson

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Withdraw your permit application

At least in San Luis Obisbo county, you can cancel/withdraw a permit application -- they will even refund any permit fee's you have paid.

I think you should do the work to code, but not pull a permit.
 
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Norcal

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You have to have a permit to replace your own water heater?

Coach

Your supposed get a permit for just about everything here, County here charges $84 for a WH replacement, don't know what the City charges. One justification is to insure earthquake straps are installed.......
 

BioHazard

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thats pretty much standard everywhere. An improperly installed water heater is extremely dangerous.
Thank god the city is thinking about my safety when they charge me over $100 to come inspect my new water heater...:bounce:
 

hetkind

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lived in a town once where they wanted an inspection if you installed a new OUTLET...

Here I just needed an inspection to get a meter when I put new power into my shop. All circuits downstream of the box are in 3/4" nmc conduit.

Howard
 

jay50

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Screw the Fu#king code inspectors and the goats they rode in on.
Just do the job to code.

Hell, I just finished 15X20 addition on the back of my house and never got the first permit.
 
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mrb

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Screw the Fu#king code inspectors and the goats they rode in on.
Just do the job to code.

Hell, I just finished 15X20 addition on the back of my house and never got the first permit.

and that addition has zero value as far as square footage is concerned when its time to sell.
 

BioHazard

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and that addition has zero value as far as square footage is concerned when its time to sell.
Except when you open the door for the buyer and say "hey look, there's a whole 'nuther room back here!". :thumbup:
 

GarageEnvy

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Jay50 is right. Good for you on building the addition and I hope you enjoy it. I certainly don't blame you for skipping the permits but there is a price to pay when you sell. Many years ago the industry standard was "done in a workmanlike manner with materials and craftsmanship similar to those utilized in the original residence." If that was met then FHA and most lenders would allow inclusion. However, a few years ago sentiment has changed to "no permit, no count." In my county they definitely use aerial/satellite photography. Once someone noticed that addition (and we're in California and deserate for money) you could expect a notice to get it permitted.....and of course pay the fines. In most areas, the county records that are being so widely misused and abused for valuing your house when you get a loan are based on the tax assessor's records. Even if you have an actual appraiser come out, chances are the lender is going to rightfully insist that the appraiser exclude that area and any value associated with it and make a comment that it doesn't appear to pose any readily observable health or safety concerns. The no permits thing, with an addition, is a far bigger deal now than it used to be. I'd say unless it is something easily removed like the topic of the post, just don't do it.
 

mrb

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Except when you open the door for the buyer and say "hey look, there's a whole 'nuther room back here!". :thumbup:

thats great when the buyer likes your handywork, but when the lender sees the square footage the assessor shows is less than what the seller is reporting, they have to go with the lower number. If you want to add room to have the space and dont get a permit, so be it. If you want your hard work and investment to add value to your home, then do it right and permit the work.
 

Charles (in GA)

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thats great when the buyer likes your handywork, but when the lender sees the square footage the assessor shows is less than what the seller is reporting, they have to go with the lower number. If you want to add room to have the space and dont get a permit, so be it. If you want your hard work and investment to add value to your home, then do it right and permit the work.

In Georgia, the Assessor doesn't care how it got there. If its there, then its measured and assessed/appraised. In my county permits don't really mean alot. Yes, you are supposed to have them, and yes, you can get caught and made to get one after construction begins, but as far as determining what was there and what is there now, its impossible to tell. The permit system only went into place in '88 and everything prior to that was without permits. Even a couple of years ago, many builders would take out permits for 1500 ft and build 1100 ft as a way to get around the 1250 sq/ft minimum, as the inspector didn't own a tape measure, and the times when he did catch the "error" he was told by his boss to "not worry about it".

Charles
 

GarageEnvy

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Charles has a good point but it varies from area to area. Assessors no longer walk the area in my county. They rely on aerial photos and plan submissions. But in the 60's when they walked and measured there were a lot of unpermitted areas that were included and taxed. It is a common "trap" appraisers in my area fall into. They assume that because it is on the assessors records it must be permitted.
 
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