Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[oldironfarmer]

Great reports Andy.

Thanks for the updates.

Bench looks great AMB

Thanks, Rian!

love the bench, very nice color of wood. Hope it doesn't get painted, but what can you do??

Thanks. When you give it's gone. They may decide to keep it in the yard until they find out the glue is not waterproof.

Time is flying by Andy, I haven't made it over to see you in too long. The bench looks fantastic, I'm sure she and the kids will adore it for years.

JB

Time is flying. 2020 is half spent.

Great updates Andy!

Thanks, Mike!

 

[oldironfarmer]

In the midst of fun and frolic I started smelling gas from the FJ. No drips, but a smell. I looked and looked and finally discovered a leak on top of the fuel tank on the pressure line from the pump.

You have to tear out the rear flooring to get to the connections. I saw a YouTube video where the guy said it's just much easier to cut and extend the wires. Hogwash!! After getting the seats out and seeing what he had said, I cut the wires. I reasoned a good solder job and being taped up would work ok. Besides, it may need a fuel pump in a year or two and the extended wires will be great.

Mouse damage.

Not an easy place to solder, but no too hard. I added pigtails to the pump connector side on the bench and to the harness under the car.

Bought the fuel line with connectors and we're back on the road!

Energy drink stop.

 

[oldironfarmer]

So we start on the 32 Chevy coupe. As I said, a shop in Tulsa replaced the engine and transmission and cut the torque tube off the rear axle. The owner wants to keep the mechanical brakes and factory wire wheels. An axle change just about requires going to hydraulic brakes.

A word to the nay sayers. Mechanical brakes are great. My 31 Victoria stops like it has hydraulic brakes. The issue is that they need to be kept adjusted. Pretty easy for an antique, a little tougher for a daily driver. The big advantage, though, is mechanical brakes can sit for years and are ready to go. No stuck cups, no leaking brake fluid, no water in the brake fluid. I'm sold on mechanical brakes for an original antique. Maybe not for a hot rod, but for drum brakes they do stop very well, when adjusted properly.

So we're going to put a u-joint on the front of the old axle. To do that I'm making a stub torque tube and using an axle input shaft and yoke from an 82 Chevy 1/2 ton. I'm adding a bearing and seal. I cut the pinion off the input shaft and drilled a 1/2" hole into the shaft. Then turned the old drive shaft where it had been cut off and made a 0.504" stub on the end to match the drilled hole. Pressed together and welded carefully to draw it straight. Came out ok but not perfect.

Next I needed a big ring for the bearing and seal. Rolled a piece of 3/8" plate to make the ring, welded and machined. I got it too big and the ID wouldn't clean up.

So I cut it and took out 1/4" and rewelded it. Remembered to take a picture. Finally.

To weld a ring like this I weld it on the inside first with plenty of weld cap then grind all the way through from the outside and into the cap so I have one weld from the outside and no junk in the weld.

Cleaned up fine the second time.

Took my time welding it to the stub tube then finished machining for the bearing and seal.

I wound up with three rings because I'm too cheap to buy material. Small ring from pipe adapts the rolled ring to the tube, rolled ring holds the bearing, last ring from pipe holds the seal. The seal ring avoided rolling a wider piece to get the bearing ring made. The seal ring is standard 3" pipe but the bore was too big for the bearing and the O.D. does not give as much meat as I'd like to hold the bearing. So it's a three ring circus.

Then lined it up and welded it to the differential housing with E309.

About 0.008" TIR without the bearing. The bearing will hold it straight.

I have a video of the dial indicator but not sure I'll find time to get it put up.

Everything will come back apart. Gearset lash is adjusted by shims in front of the front original pinion bearing. Since it had all been disassembled months ago by others I had to guess on the shims. There is a clamp which hold the bearing forward against the shim. The clamp is a beveled ring with three bolts with tapered ends pressing on the bevel. Of course the gear load also presses it forward. Fortunately the gear lash was ok and the teeth seemed to be aligned ok.

 

[Bob Heine]

Not an easy place to solder, but no too hard. I added pigtails to the pump connector side on the bench and to the harness under the car.

Andy, you might want to get some of these solder/shrink/seal connectors for that kind of repair. I've used them several times and they do a great job and take a lot less time.

I've used heat guns and Bic lighters and both work fine. The instructions are a little misleading to me. I keep the heat on until the solder flows and there is no solder ring left.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C3NBTJ9/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Vieux]

Andy, you might want to get some of these solder/shrink/seal connectors for that kind of repair. I've used them several times and they do a great job and take a lot less time.

I've used heat guns and Bic lighters and both work fine. The instructions are a little misleading to me. I keep the heat on until the solder flows and there is no solder ring left.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C3NBTJ9/?tag=atomicindus08-20

This is a great tool for quick repairs and it works well.

If you do it very quickly , you can just use a wire and duct tape.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Andy nice job all around. Especially like the table. Thought you might be taking day trips. Been busy doing repairs but i did get to saw some long leaf yellow pine. Saw needs to be swaged so the rest will have to wait. How did you come when you picked up the Vickie? I.E. Rt. 10, 40? Give me a PM or I can call. Bobby

 

[stillp]

Nice bench Andy!
Pete

 

[tym]

Andy, you might want to get some of these solder/shrink/seal connectors for that kind of repair. I've used them several times and they do a great job and take a lot less time.

I've used heat guns and Bic lighters and both work fine. The instructions are a little misleading to me. I keep the heat on until the solder flows and there is no solder ring left.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C3NBTJ9/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I'm a control freak (and cheap), so I will slide on a piece of heat-shrink tubing, mechanically join the two wires with a Western Union splice, solder, then cover with the shrink tubing and apply heat with a heat gun.

 

[don long]

Very nice work on the rear housing Andy.
Nice to see your thread pop up again buddy

Don

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, you might want to get some of these solder/shrink/seal connectors for that kind of repair. I've used them several times and they do a great job and take a lot less time.

I've used heat guns and Bic lighters and both work fine. The instructions are a little misleading to me. I keep the heat on until the solder flows and there is no solder ring left.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C3NBTJ9/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Funny you should suggest that. I have some but have never used them. I've been concerned over long term viability. Obviously low temperature alloy, what about corrosion resistance and fatigue strength? I'm slow to adopt new things I guess.

This is a great tool for quick repairs and it works well.

If you do it very quickly , you can just use a wire and duct tape.

Thanks for the confirmation, Vladimir!

Andy nice job all around. Especially like the table. Thought you might be taking day trips. Been busy doing repairs but i did get to saw some long leaf yellow pine. Saw needs to be swaged so the rest will have to wait. How did you come when you picked up the Vickie? I.E. Rt. 10, 40? Give me a PM or I can call. Bobby

Taking a few day trips.

Are you using water when you cut the pine?

We vacationed on the way, a circuitous route. On the way back we headed straight for Asheville then I-40 to the Muskogee Turnpike to Tulsa. I hope this means you're planning a trip!

Nice bench Andy!
Pete

Thank you

I'm a control freak (and cheap), so I will slide on a piece of heat-shrink tubing, mechanically join the two wires with a Western Union splice, solder, then cover with the shrink tubing and apply heat with a heat gun.

Yeah, I didn't do that good of a job, but I made sure I had a good solder joint the used a roll of tape. Almost a roll.

Very nice work on the rear housing Andy.
Nice to see your thread pop up again buddy

Don

Thanks, Don! I'm trying to get back in the groove but my heart's not in it.

 

[scooterbum46]

Andy, those low temp solder connectors make me nervous.. I've been soldering since I was a kid in my dad's workshop and getting the wire "tinned" was always of prime importance and that takes getting the copper hot enough to wet it. I assume the low temp solder used in those connectors must either have a chemical flux or ??. In any case , I'm with Tym, a mechanical wrap and good wetted solder joint with heat shrink and tape over it..

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, those low temp solder connectors make me nervous.. I've been soldering since I was a kid in my dad's workshop and getting the wire "tinned" was always of prime importance and that takes getting the copper hot enough to wet it. I assume the low temp solder used in those connectors must either have a chemical flux or ??. In any case , I'm with Tym, a mechanical wrap and good wetted solder joint with heat shrink and tape over it..

Thanks for that viewpoint. I need to try them somewhere I can get back to the joint easily. I'm thinking an external connection on an old tractor.

 

[Guster]

I do like a good wood grain. Don't know what it is with women and wanting to paint wood. Anytime I make something nice I get asked if it can be painted white or make it in a light wood instead like that rubberwood that was all the fashion for furniture a few years ago. Ugh and that whole distressed furniture thing...

Nice job on the diff conversion Andy. Looks very solid! Glad you got the fuel pump going again too.

Those soft solder joints they sell here they also show the wire breaking in a straight strain test before the joint lets go so can't be all bad. The self sealing heatshrink acts as a strain relief. Which is usually better than a normal solder joint wrapped in some insulation tape you often see(or heaven forbid someone had a wire nut spare) I've repaired just as many of those here the wires broke off on the hard solder joint. But as others mentioned it does rely on the wire being freshly stripped and not just some bare old joint that's been exposed of ages. As everything in life it goes with use of a bit of common sense.

 

[bolensboneyard]

My sawmill consultant did tell me water would get me through for now but i have so much to get wrapped up before we can travel there is no time to saw. We are going for sure to New England and if we can get my neighbor to watch the animals twice in one summer we want to go your way. In fact, I have not cut the grass for several weeks as my cub mower is trashed. Extra incentive Ginny hates it when the grass is not cut. I also have to buy 4 new tires for the truck and brakes or i can't take that. Best friend's wife is not doing well so we are watching her close also. Keep you posted.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I do like a good wood grain. Don't know what it is with women and wanting to paint wood. Anytime I make something nice I get asked if it can be painted white or make it in a light wood instead like that rubberwood that was all the fashion for furniture a few years ago. Ugh and that whole distressed furniture thing...

I'll admit I have changed. I used to like dark wood. Now I like it to be it's natural color, whatever that is.

Oak painted with the grain showing has a certain appeal to me as well. Most women seem to prefer the plastic feel: uniformity and smoothness with no apparent crevices for bacteria to hide.

Distressed! Even reproduction enamel ware or porcelain coated steel must be damaged before it will sell. I refuse to intentionally ding up my furniture. But yet when you ding a corner moving it they go ballistic because it's damaged.

Nice job on the diff conversion Andy. Looks very solid! Glad you got the fuel pump going again too.

Thanks! I'm eager to run it down the road and see how it does.

I was liking Toyotas until I changed the oil on the 2010. Had to go to YouTube to find the filter. Mounted like a front mount hydraulic pump with a panel to remove for access then a two step drain process to insure you get oil all over everything. Apparently I'm the last person on the earth to encounter one of these. I guess the spin on design is just too costly for a struggling automaker to produce. And to put the oil filter in an accessible position was not on the checklist of engine design features created by people who never change their own oil.

Those soft solder joints they sell here they also show the wire breaking in a straight strain test before the joint lets go so can't be all bad. The self sealing heatshrink acts as a strain relief. Which is usually better than a normal solder joint wrapped in some insulation tape you often see(or heaven forbid someone had a wire nut spare) I've repaired just as many of those here the wires broke off on the hard solder joint. But as others mentioned it does rely on the wire being freshly stripped and not just some bare old joint that's been exposed of ages. As everything in life it goes with use of a bit of common sense.

More good information. Where can I pick up some of this "common sense"? If it's so common you'd think there'd be more of it around.

My sawmill consultant did tell me water would get me through for now but i have so much to get wrapped up before we can travel there is no time to saw. We are going for sure to New England and if we can get my neighbor to watch the animals twice in one summer we want to go your way. In fact, I have not cut the grass for several weeks as my cub mower is trashed. Extra incentive Ginny hates it when the grass is not cut. I also have to buy 4 new tires for the truck and brakes or i can't take that. Best friend's wife is not doing well so we are watching her close also. Keep you posted.

Best wishes on a successful traveling season Bobby!

Your Cub is not really trashed. Did it run out of fuel again?

 

[oldironfarmer]

When the weather turned warm the old blue car came out of hiding.

It's a joy to drive. Always feels good to get back home safely, too.

Sunset along the Arkansas River at Sand Springs, OK.

Sharon's iris bloomed very nicely. They don't know she's gone.

Best not get off topic or we'll be punished. Put a Speedway motors TH350 in the Chevelle last summer. The kid helping me failed to get the dipstick in right, in fact he kinked the tube and it was a chronic leaker. I gave up trying to fix it and bought a flex housing dipstick. As part of that effort I pulled the pan to make sure nothing had fallen into the open hole.

Needless to say I was not very happy with the debris I found in a new transmission with less than 100 miles on it.

At this point I changed the filter and decided to just run it. It's going to get some miles on it as soon as I can reshim the starter. It's dragging when hot.

 

[shortykorte]

So you work on transmissions [emoji847]

At least you have Sharon’s beautiful flowers to brighten the day.


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[Grizz1963]

Sunset along the Arkansas River at Sand Springs, OK.

Sharon's iris bloomed very nicely. They don't know she's gone.

.

I do like a sunset or sunrise.

Perfectly poignant observation on Sharon’s Iris’s

I am sure she is smiling Andy.

 

[oldironfarmer]

So you work on transmissions [emoji847]

At least you have Sharon’s beautiful flowers to brighten the day.


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I've rebuilt a few automatic transmissions. Does that make me an expert?

Her memory is everywhere.

I do like a sunset or sunrise.

Perfectly poignant observation on Sharon’s Iris’s

I am sure she is smiling Andy.

Thanks for the kind comments, Rian.

 

[jblnut]

I've been meaning to get caught up and read though all the wonderfullness that resides in here for a while now and I'm finally there !!!

Just letting you know all the posting and updates isn't going to waste, well some of it is sort of as I tend to read lots of GJ stuff in the most "waste" filled room in the house as it's the only place it's even a little bit quite these days with the three little people running around all energetic and LOUD and stuff

 

[Pressingonward]

Nice job on the torque tube adaptor Andy! I like your method for making a ring - I'm not sure the thought of rolling my own would have even occurred to me. What tool do you use to roll one? A hammer and a form?

 

[oldironfarmer]

I've been meaning to get caught up and read though all the wonderfullness that resides in here for a while now and I'm finally there !!!

Just letting you know all the posting and updates isn't going to waste, well some of it is sort of as I tend to read lots of GJ stuff in the most "waste" filled room in the house as it's the only place it's even a little bit quite these days with the three little people running around all energetic and LOUD and stuff

Thanks for the kind words! I remember seeing your basement room.

Nice job on the torque tube adaptor Andy! I like your method for making a ring - I'm not sure the thought of rolling my own would have even occurred to me. What tool do you use to roll one? A hammer and a form?

Thanks!

I used to work in the pressure vessel industry and it's common practice there to have a plate rolled to the diameter you need, weld it in your own shop (generally an ASME Code thing) then send it back for rerolling and rounding. I learned to weld from one side the gouge or grind from the other side all the way through the base metal and make a clean weld from that side. Standard Boilermaker fare. In the case of small rings, I weld on the inside first then grind from the outside until I'm through the depth of the ring and I can get a good weld from the outside.

I make my rings hot around the horn of the anvil then usually reround them on a cone. Pretty standard blacksmith fare.

Of course you can also slightly enlarge or reduce a piece of pipe the same way I corrected this ring. You just have to have enough meat to machine the ovality out of it.

 

[jbmatth]

Just wanted to say hi Andy, it was nice to visit with you last week, I posted the photo I took on my thread. I held off on posting here, I'm sure yours will be better.

JB

 

[Guster]

Seems somehow fitting that a vintage vehicle has waited this long to be discovered by the right person and get rebuilt and repaired using a bit of blacksmithing!

 

[Grizz1963]

Good as always to video chat Andy.

I think we had some fun.

Amazing how much fun one can have remotely when you know what you are doing.

Thanks for the message from Hershey too

 

[Grizz1963]

It was mate Andy in Tulsa, Oklahoma’s best friends 71st birthday yesterday.

So he took her on a little road trip to Kansas on back roads through Osage county.

Loads of oil it seems, belonging to the Osage Tribe.

He sent a pic of the FJ next to the road, with an oil derrick in the background.



Wish I was there.

Andy has also sent me video of Hershey’s new partner in crime, the lovely Spot.

In the mean time he keeps busy as a retired guy should.

Always having stuff to do.

 

[cvairwerks]

Had to look close Grizz, as I couldn't see a derrick....finally decided you are talking about the pumpjack, over to the right side there...

 

[MARKSTANG]

Happy Birthday Andy

 

[jbmatth]

CV beat me to it, it is a pumpjack rather than a derrick, but a common misconception. Also for your viewing pleasure, here is a short video showing how they work.

Pumpjack

JB

 

[xtremek]

Sorry I missed your birthday. I hope it was filled with fun.

 

[Grizz1963]

Had to look close Grizz, as I couldn't see a derrick....finally decided you are talking about the pumpjack, over to the right side there...

CV beat me to it, it is a pumpjack rather than a derrick, but a common misconception. Also for your viewing pleasure, here is a short video showing how they work.

Pumpjack

JB

Thanks guys.

What would an African living in England know?

I usually say Donkey but tried to sound educamulated

 

[jbmatth]

Haha, no worries Griz, always room to learn something new then time to forget it.

JB

 

[Craptain]

Thanks guys.



What would an African livong in England know?



I usually say Donkey but tried to sound educamulated

My thoughts entirely. When I was growing up we always called them Nodding Donkeys. We knew they were pumps but what the hell. Not sure where these confused Mericans came up with strange names like Pump Jacks. To me that is something for lifting the car with. [emoji12][emoji38]

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[Guster]

Thanks guys.

What would an African living in England know?

I usually say Donkey but tried to sound educamulated

Not much more than an African living in New Zealand.

Mind you I have a Dutch colleague who started talking about growing up with windmills(the grain mill kind) to a group of Aussie colleagues who were thinking about the water pump kind you see on farms. It was just as confusing...

 

[oldironfarmer]

Just wanted to say hi Andy, it was nice to visit with you last week, I posted the photo I took on my thread. I held off on posting here, I'm sure yours will be better.

JB

Hi JB. How has time flown! Maybe I'll get to posting some, some day.

Seems somehow fitting that a vintage vehicle has waited this long to be discovered by the right person and get rebuilt and repaired using a bit of blacksmithing!

Those are sure kind words to a fellow too cheap to buy the right size stock.

Thank you. I'm still amazed you finally have an operating spot welder. Great job!!

Good as always to video chat Andy.

I think we had some fun.

Amazing how much fun one can have remotely when you know what you are doing.

Thanks for the message from Hershey too

Yeah Rian, always great to talk to you. Life seems to be flying by. Now I'm home from a knife job in Houston I have a road trip planned, North by Northwest!

It was mate Andy in Tulsa, Oklahoma’s best friends 71st birthday yesterday.

So he took her on a little road trip to Kansas on back roads through Osage county.

Loads of oil it seems, belonging to the Osage Tribe.

He sent a pic of the FJ next to the road, with an oil derrick in the background.



Wish I was there.

Andy has also sent me video of Hershey’s new partner in crime, the lovely Spot.

In the mean time he keeps busy as a retired guy should.

Always having stuff to do.

Got our wires crossed, I actually passed the 71 mark in April. I do have a traveling companion who turned another year, 21 I think, on August 1.

Had to look close Grizz, as I couldn't see a derrick....finally decided you are talking about the pumpjack, over to the right side there...

Pumpjacks are us. We forgive Rian's technical knowledge.

Happy Birthday Andy

Thank you, a bit late!

CV beat me to it, it is a pumpjack rather than a derrick, but a common misconception. Also for your viewing pleasure, here is a short video showing how they work.

Pumpjack

JB

Cool JB! Whatever do they do with that oil after it gets out of the ground?

Sorry I missed your birthday. I hope it was filled with fun.

Good news is I didn't miss it! I just check my driver's license daily and keep up to speed.

Thanks guys.

What would an African living in England know?

I usually say Donkey but tried to sound educamulated

What would an African living in England know?

How to take a road trip, at least.

Haha, no worries Griz, always room to learn something new then time to forget it.

JB

Forget? Forget what?

My thoughts entirely. When I was growing up we always called them Nodding Donkeys. We knew they were pumps but what the hell. Not sure where these confused Mericans came up with strange names like Pump Jacks. To me that is something for lifting the car with. [emoji12][emoji38]

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Never heard them called nodding donkeys, but it is descriptive, slow and sure. So from the pump jack horses head (nary a donkey head around here) through the polished rod to the sucker rod down to the pump. Sucker rod is my main raw material for steel. Some pump jacks were operated by a remote engine house. One engine house with a large horizontal wheel had connecting rods strung across supports to maybe six or eight pump jacks. Those horizontal rods are called jack rods and do not have upset ends like sucker rods, just threaded straight bar. They also are mild steel where sucker rods are proper high tensile alloy selected for the depth of well and pumping loads. You seldom find jack rod anymore.

Oh, you didn't ask.

Nevermind...

Not much more than an African living in New Zealand.

Mind you I have a Dutch colleague who started talking about growing up with windmills(the grain mill kind) to a group of Aussie colleagues who were thinking about the water pump kind you see on farms. It was just as confusing...

Interesting that the Dutch molen can be any kind of mill: water mill to drain the polder, grain mill, ball mill, saw mill, paper mill. A high art that is intriguing.

But so are the old windmills used to pull water up from a well. I found it to be very cool that they are self regulating. When you fold the tail it applies a brake. But the center of pivot of the mill is offset so the harder the wind blows on the blades the more the blades try to turn sideways. The tail counteracts this action to try to keep the blades directed at the wind. but higher winds mean the blades yaw putting more pressure on the tail until the spring loaded overcenter mechanism on the tail trips, the tail folds sideways, and the brake is applied. This avoids overspeeding and damage in high winds. Then the tail must be manually reset to release the brake and allow the blades to face the wind again.

Didn't you ask?

 

[Grizz1963]

Morning mate.

Good to see you here, glad the trip home was uneventful

 

[jbmatth]

Actually good info on windmills Andy, I've never been that close to one before but I've climbed a few old towers because I could. Also I've been called a jack rod before, but what is a jack wagon? One for Grizz, why do they call money in England a pound, and how many pounds to make a stone?

Good day good sir,
JB

 

[Grizz1963]

Actually good info on windmills Andy, I've never been that close to one before but I've climbed a few old towers because I could. Also I've been called a jack rod before, but what is a jack wagon? One for Grizz, why do they call money in England a pound, and how many pounds to make a stone?

Good day good sir,
JB

Not English, I grew up metric, and all civilised.

Google will know though.


Its name derives from the Latin word Libra for weight or balance, via the construction Libra Pondo, meaning a pound weight. While the word Libra has long since been discarded, it makes its presence felt in both the £ symbol, an ornate L, and the abbreviation for the unit of mass, lb.

 

[y'sguy]

Nice to see you typing away on here some, Andy! Miss the tales you tell and the experience you share.

 

[Bob Heine]

I learn so much here. I hope there isn't going to be a test.