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Walker Greyhounds...............

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This is an ad in Motor Age from March, 1939. This is the introduction of the Walker floor jacks referred to as "Greyhounds" as a group and then each model was given an individual name as seen. This ad does not refer to model number as these jacks changed model number designation as physical changes were made even though they looked very similar externally. The two jacks I have, as you may recall, are are number # 784, 4-ton Roll-A-Car, "Big Boys" as stated on the data plate. Note in the ad if you look closely how the paint is a different color on the upper part of the handles, the saddles (the round part on the front that lifts) and the inner part of the front wheels. It does show up better on the actual ad than here.


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Here are mine. As you may recall, the one in the foreground has it's original paint that I'm only going to clean up and leave as original as possible. The background jack is the one left in the shop that I will restore externally by powder coating it the correct factory color scheme. Both jacks were hydraulically overhauled by Hiball and now function as new.


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See that the upper part of the handle changes color like the ones in the ad.

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Traces of the original red paint still clearly visible.

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While the paint is largely gone from the saddle, flicks of red are still visible. Note on the right, how bright blue the front paint is from the paint on the lifting arm to the left? Haven't cleaned it there yet! I'm confident the inner part of the front wheels will show some red as well but for now they are so dirty it can't be seen.

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Fast forward 10 years to September, 1949. They are now referred to as " The New Deluxe" Walker Greyhounds. They are also referred to by model number, the larger one as a model # 884 even though it looks almost identical to the older # 784's. The color contrast on the jack handle, saddle and front wheels is also much more evident. Note the four highlight areas below the main ad. Not sure what the contrasting color was on the real jack. The ad shows it to be gold emphasizing the "gold seal power unit" now featured. In discussion with various experts on these jacks no one recalled ever seeing them gold trimmed.

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This is May, 1954. Still called Greyhounds and model # 884 4-ton Hydraulic Roll-A-Car. By now the contrasting color had changed to white.

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This is a two page ad from September, 1954. The color didn't reproduce correctly here. The actual ad shows the jack as dark blue, not green as seen. The white trim clearly seen and the front wheels now only have the hub cap contrasting white, not the whole inner front wheel rim as in previous years. While they are huge, heavy jacks, over 4 feet long (about 1 1/3 meters), I think they deliberately show a short mechanic handling one to exaggerate the how large they are. For the time, probably pretty expensive.

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This the second page of the ad. Note the four items featured on the bottom. Almost identical to the four featured items from the 1949 ad.

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The modern version of these jacks are still made by Hein Werner, #93657 for about $1,400 US. The style and performance of the originals, however, will never be duplicated again, ever. That was, without question, a high water mark in the industry.

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Thomas,

Very nice post on these jacks!! Enjoyed the brief history lesson.

For the original shop jack that you are going to powder coat, is it your plan to dismantle, clean, prep and paint or to just clean, prep and paint?
 
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Thomas,

Very nice post on these jacks!! Enjoyed the brief history lesson.

CRTDI, For the original shop jack that you are going to powder coat, is it your plan to dismantle, clean, prep and paint or to just clean, prep and paint?

First thing I need to do is repair the two holes someone drilled in the saddle many, many, many years ago!!!:sad:

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I don't expect that to be a problem however. There is also a small area on the handle sheet metal that needs attention but again, just routine repair. Along the way the entire jack will be disassembled ( except for the power cylinder which Hiball rebuilt of course!)

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The paint on the power unit is still so nice and original I'll leave it alone. Once the frame is coated and done I'll just reinstall it as is.

By disassembling the jack it can be throughly cleaned and then prepped for powder coating. I need to discuss with the painters as to whether to reassemble it minus the hydraulic power unit then and have it coated as a unit or do the individual pieces and then reassemble. I'll see what they have to say. I'm picking up my barn shelving from them at the beginning of May and I'll go over the matter then. I have satisfied myself as to the paint scheme this jack had when new. From the advertising pictures and the other jack still so nice and original plus there are enough red paint specks left on it where you expect them, that I now know it was painted and trimmed the same as it's stable mate. The all original paint jack is the older of the two, but they are both #784's and roughly from the same time period in the 1930's, give or take a year or so. I will do a post showing the differences between the two which are surprising.........................................................................:headscrat what was your question again??:dunno:

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As usual, I am in awe every time I logon and view your thread.

I'm wondering if you're reading too much into the brochure with regard to the colour scheme. Back in 1949, colour printing of a brochure would have been very expensive, hence the single colour used in each brochure. I think your gut instinct is correct, with the blue body, with the red highlights.
 
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As usual, I am in awe every time I logon and view your thread.

I'm wondering if you're reading too much into the brochure with regard to the colour scheme. Back in 1949, colour printing of a brochure would have been very expensive, hence the single colour used in each brochure. I think your gut instinct is correct, with the blue body, with the red highlights.

Hi again Yonnee- still lurking or hovering I take it? :D I agree that the cost of doing color back then was very expensive. I also know the artist would often take liberties with the subject matter and exaggerate them for effect as the gold trim in the ad shows. That was all part of the game as it were. These jacks did change color schemes over the years and it's helpful to have some factory material as a guide in the absence of a color photograph or better yet the real thing in good enough condition to puzzle it out. Both jacks just confirm what the ads show which is a great help.

It's great you enjoy the thread so much as I really enjoy sharing material with everyone here. Thank again, I have more in the works........

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This is one ripper of a restoration that i have ever seen
I have been lurking since around page 15 and i am in awe of what you have done
Please continue with the pics ect ... as they do what you are acheiving justice.

I love the old machinery ect more so of the old farm equipment
hope to see this old shop in the flesh one day

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Wow, what a build up. I have killed many hours of my life here! I was working away in our shop at school and noticed one of the pre-employment students pulling a weird looking floor jack across the shop and guess what?!?!? It is one of these bad boys!!! I will have to take some pictures and see what kind of shape it is in.
 

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Biggee,
I would say you've come to life reading this thread, rather than having killed time here! You've descended into the vortex of our life (any activity, situation, or way of life regarded as irresistibly engulfing). Yep, that sums it up. Welcome (you join more than a dozen others from Canada who have been following).
 
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This is one ripper of a restoration that i have ever seen
I have been lurking since around page 15 and i am in awe of what you have done
Please continue with the pics ect ... as they do what you are acheiving justice.

I love the old machinery ect more so of the old farm equipment
hope to see this old shop in the flesh one day

Jason

Hello Jason and what day brightener your post was, thanks. Never had it called a ripper of a restoration before. How could I not like that!

You bring up a point that Chris and I have discussed at length, honoring requests to see the shop. It's something we wish very much to do, just need to find out the best way to do so. I've had clubs through before and have others coming this summer. Clubs/groups haven't really presented a problem and with enough notice I don't think they will be. Standby, if you find yourself in the US we'll try to make it happen for you.

Cheers, Thomas
 
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I remember my grandpa had one of these on his ole' chevy,,,,it had a rubber bulb on the floor that you pressed with your foot to get it to squirt on the windshield.


I bet it worked just fine too. Remember the KISS principle-

K eep
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It's really a great principle for engineers to live by.:thumbup:

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Wow, what a build up. I have killed many hours of my life here! I was working away in our shop at school and noticed one of the pre-employment students pulling a weird looking floor jack across the shop and guess what?!?!? It is one of these bad boys!!! I will have to take some pictures and see what kind of shape it is in.

Now wouldn't that be a nice, pleasant find? When you're not killing time :)headscrat), post a picture or two would you? These jacks were so over built I have to believe you'll find it worth your time. I don't think anything could have been done to them that would render them unsalvageable. Let us know what you find out.

Good luck! Thomas
 
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Biggee,
I would say you've come to life reading this thread, rather than having killed time here! You've descended into the vortex of our life (any activity, situation, or way of life regarded as irresistibly engulfing). Yep, that sums it up. Welcome (you join more than a dozen others from Canada who have been following).


That's what I love about you Chris, I find you irresistibly engulfing!!!!:bounce::bounce:


Oops, drifting off topic .......again!

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Thomas,

Excellent thread! I stumbled on a link on another forum back in January. I was floored by the labor and love you've dedicated to this old shop. The act of saving that little building and the history stashed away inside should guarantee your entrance into gearhead heaven.

I've been following this thread about every week since I found it. (I have to limit myself to once a week.) The anticipation builds all week, waiting to see the next little piece of Mechanicana to emerge from the piles.

Thank you for saving this piece of American heritage. I'm sure the people in your town are glad that you saved this place where so many memories were once made. I think the fact that it will be a working, if personal, garage again would make Mr. Johnson very happy.
 

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I have just spent the last 6 hours reading this thread from page one. I have to say that it was the most informational and entertaining read I have had the pleasure of experiencing.

To undertake a project like this with all of the buildings empty would be to overwhelming for most to handle.

But to have to move tons of "trasures" and clean decades of patina before you could start is truly amazing.

I cannot wait for more indepth info on the flathead treasures you have uncovered and will be uncovering.

You seem to have aquired quite a following since the start of this thread and you can add me to the list.
 

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Hi Chris and Thomas,
add me to the list of readers hooked on this thread, I have been eagerly awaiting updates every couple of days, and totally enjoyed all 53 pages so far.
I have even emailed this thread to a few of my mates and they are enjoying it as much as I am.
It doesn't matter where you live or what you do for a living, there is no better way to combine your interest with anything mechanical and a need to preserve a bit of history,
you are doing a great job.

From a 53 yo signwriter from down under in Australia
cheers
Gazza

ps If you would like my opinion/thoughts on your original signs please let me know.
 
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Just spent part of the last couple hours catching up on this thread, was about 10 pages behind, havn't been checking in as regular. Anyway, Tom and Chris I do appreciate your efforts in sharing all this wealth of information and the fruits of your hard wrok with all of us here on GJ, definatly an inspiration to us all. A very supurb work in progress.

I have enjoyed all the pics and info on all the old equipment found/restored. I was at an auction recently and was bidding on an old Walker jack, 834 or 884 not sure which. Anyway I quit biddig too soon, and now wish I would have been a little more aggresive in my persuit of it. Oh well the hunt continues.

A farmer I work for on my days has a Walker 784 in his shop, that has some issues with it and i hope I am there the day he decides to throw it in the scrap iron pile. Been debating on telling him I know a guy who can rebuild it, so it would be more dependable.

Again kudos to you both for this awesome shop and awesome thread.

Andrew

PS Chris if you are keeping track of states represented by posters on this thread I am in KS.
 

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I haven't itemized posts by state; too many haven't identified specific locations. I know at least 1/2 the states are represented and many are lurking. Seeing different countries was interesting for me because I hadn't thought of other countries having this interest. Boy, was I wrong! I can't wait for those in, for example, India, China, and Japan to show their garages - it would really be interesting to see how they use their space and resources. I could be wrong, but I think we've pulled in more locations to GJ forums than were represented before we started posting in January.
 

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I haven't itemized posts by state; too many haven't identified specific locations. I know at least 1/2 the states are represented and many are lurking...

Virginia checking in. Subscribed early and have been lurking/enjoying the thread almost every day.

I propose others PM "markvii" identifying their home state so she can validate her theory.

R1chy
 

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I'm guessing that this thread has had more first time posters that any other on Garage Journal.

I don't remember if it was my first post or not, but it was very close.

I'm from Oregon

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Good idea! I don't want to load up this thread with that many posts that are non-thread related (unless you're commenting on something specific as well). I'll keep you posted.
 
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Here is a list of states (**) that are represented so far. If you've posted, but haven't identified your location, you can PM me if you want and I'll ** the state or add the country of origin. So far there are 35 states. (4/29/10 - we now have 37 thanks to Todd and Tom in Nebraska and West Virginia)(also welcome Jay for #38)(I can't remember who was #39, but #40 on 7/3/10 is wats56 from WY)

State (& Possessions included because Tom flew there at one point)
** = posted
**AL
**AK
AMERICAN SAMOA (AS)
**AZ
AR
**CA
**CO
**CT
DE
Wash DC
FEDERATED STATES OF MICRONESIA (FM)
**FL
**GA
GUAM (GU)
HI
ID
**IL
**IN
**IA
**KS
**KY
**LA
**ME
MARSHALL ISLANDS (MH)
**MD
**MA
**MI
**MN
**MS
**MO
MT
**NE
NV
NH
**NJ
**NM
**NY
**NC
**ND
NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS (MP)
**OH
**OK
**OR
PALAU (PW)
**PA
PUERTO RICO (PR)
RI
**SC
**SD
**TN
**TX
UT
VT
VIRGIN ISLANDS (VI)
**VA
**WA
**WV
**WI
**WY

Countries represented so far:
France
UK (many locations)
Scotland
Switzerland
Australia (several locations)
Canada (many locations)
Sweden
New Zealand
Ireland
Iceland
Portugal
Hong Kong
India
South Africa
Turkey
Afghanistan
 
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Thomas,

This is one of the nicest and definitely the most fascinating garages I've ever seen or heard about. Some of the equipment you are finding also brings back fond memories of my father and grandfather. Thank you for sharing. :thumbup:

Alan
 

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Keep checking post #1068 for the updated tally of states - just 12 more to go. Thanks to everyone for checking in. It gets to be a bit addicting!
 
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Thomas,

....... The act of saving that little building and the history stashed away inside should guarantee your entrance into gearhead heaven.........

.........I think the fact that it will be a working, if personal, garage again would make Mr. Johnson very happy.

daltonultra, what very nice sentiments those are, my thanks to you for them! I have to believe as well, that Mr. Johnson would be pleased that what he started all those many years ago will continue and in fact would very proud of that fact. He started it, I just picked up where he left off. And so it goes...........

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I have just spent the last 6 hours reading this thread from page one. I have to say that it was the most informational and entertaining read I have had the pleasure of experiencing.

To undertake a project like this with all of the buildings empty would be to overwhelming for most to handle.

But to have to move tons of "trasures" and clean decades of patina before you could start is truly amazing.

I cannot wait for more indepth info on the flathead treasures you have uncovered and will be uncovering.

You seem to have aquired quite a following since the start of this thread and you can add me to the list.

52Ford, let me add my welcome and thanks as well. Once the process of relocating all the items from the tool shed and lean to into the barn are started I know I'll uncover several more flat head items. There a few more NOS parts as well which I think may be of interest. Once I get them photographed I'll get them on here, promise.

I was very pleased and initially was surprised at the reception this thread has received and all the positive support seen here. That's what has persuaded me to keep putting material together to share with all "you guys" :thumbup: Everyone here definitely seems to "get it".

Once I'm home again (soon), I've more coming for this space......

Thomas
 
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Good morning Tom. You missed the big winds here yesterday - up to 60mph. I'll inspect out at the shop later to see how the trees fared. Our neighbor across the alley lost a huge branch (12'' diameter at least) that blocked the alley. Just looking down the street looks like the aftermath of the last tornado a couple of years ago. Winds should be under control by the time you roll in around noon tomorrow. Sleep well.

Chris
 
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Hi Chris and Thomas,
add me to the list of readers hooked on this thread, I have been eagerly awaiting updates every couple of days, and totally enjoyed all 53 pages so far.
I have even emailed this thread to a few of my mates and they are enjoying it as much as I am.
It doesn't matter where you live or what you do for a living, there is no better way to combine your interest with anything mechanical and a need to preserve a bit of history,
you are doing a great job.

From a 53 yo signwriter from down under in Australia
cheers
Gazza

ps If you would like my opinion/thoughts on your original signs please let me know.

Hello Gazza, all of you fine fellows down under are quite active it seems and that's a good thing! Sorry that I've never made down there yet. The closest I've been in those parts is Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea. Need to see if I can't correct that.:)
I couldn't have said it better myself, regarding preserving a bit of history. Some outsiders have viewed my efforts as work and toil while I never have. It's just been fun, and now I can take everyone here on that same journey.

Of course I would love your thoughts on the original signs that I posted. That sort of thing really enriches this thread. Please post away. You are most welcome here and again my thanks.

Thomas
 
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Just spent part of the last couple hours catching up on this thread, was about 10 pages behind, havn't been checking in as regular. Anyway, Tom and Chris I do appreciate your efforts in sharing all this wealth of information and the fruits of your hard wrok with all of us here on GJ, definatly an inspiration to us all. A very supurb work in progress.

I have enjoyed all the pics and info on all the old equipment found/restored. I was at an auction recently and was bidding on an old Walker jack, 834 or 884 not sure which. Anyway I quit biddig too soon, and now wish I would have been a little more aggresive in my persuit of it. Oh well the hunt continues.

A farmer I work for on my days has a Walker 784 in his shop, that has some issues with it and i hope I am there the day he decides to throw it in the scrap iron pile. Been debating on telling him I know a guy who can rebuild it, so it would be more dependable.

Again kudos to you both for this awesome shop and awesome thread.

Andrew

PS Chris if you are keeping track of states represented by posters on this thread I am in KS.

toytech40, plant the seed now that should he ever feel the need to dispose of that jack, you'll make getting rid of it easy for him! If there is such a thing as a problem with those jacks it would only be that they truly are quite large and not suitable for small, cramped spaces. But if you've got the room for them, they not only function superbly, quite frankly, I just plain like looking at mine. Wonderful Art Deco lines that to me is pure sculpture. Some may feel that's a reach, but that's how I see them. Add to that the tactile feel they have when in use and I feel terribly blessed!

Welcome and thanks.

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Thomas,

This is one of the nicest and definitely the most fascinating garages I've ever seen or heard about. Some of the equipment you are finding also brings back fond memories of my father and grandfather. Thank you for sharing. :thumbup:

Alan

Hi Allen, the shop has many, varied memories for me too. From my youth and what fun I had out there growing up, to spending quite a bit of time with my son working together and solving numerous problems as we restored it, to consulting with my father on various aspects of the project and then using some of the skills he taught me that I hopefully have passed on to my son. Never minded one moment of it. Glad I am triggering some old memories for you and perhaps others as well.

Thomas
 
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I'm in Connecticut and I've been watching this thread since it was started although I'm not a big poster on here.

Jay, are you saying that at heart you're really a lurker? :dunno: Well nothing wrong with that. :D Thank you for taking a moment to let us know that Connecticut has eyes here.

Now for those new here to this thread, occasionally I'm gone and can't post new material when I'm out flying but when I do return I try to get something out shorty. Home soon and thanks for checking in from time to time. I've said it before, I really appreciate all the support and understanding from everyone. :thumbup:

Thomas
 

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While I was cleaning out more "material " from the lean to I came across this item. It appears to be a manifold for something. A tank perhaps?


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I almost scrapped it with the other steel scrap but thought I'd float it by here first in case someone can use it........ yea right! Otherwise in a couple of weeks it will join all the other priceless relics from here in that great recycling pile in the sky.
Looks kinda like a small firetruck pump manifold to me. Maybe for a brush truck?
 
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