Above 1200 Sq/FT The Warthog Hidey Hole

[jbmatth]

Kreen is awesome stuff as is AreoKroil. I need to order some of both to have here in my own garage, I used it for years as a tech but I have been out of that now for 5yrs.

MrPink,
I really like the AreoKroil, and have used it in the shop for a few years now. If it is the same I suppose I could just spray some in the engine if I can't find the can of Kreen.

You didn't mention what year Impala SS - One from the 60's or the 90's?? Also, what weight of oil was used?

If it's from the '60s, I'd expect at 192,000 it's time for a set of rod bearings. Or, it may be so sludged up that the oil doesn't drain out of the heads and lifter valley, preventing enough to accumulate in the sump for the pump to build pressure, especially if the rotating assembly is "loose"...

Slowbuilder,
It is a 2008 with the transverse mounted LS4 5.3 v8, very fun car to drive around. It calls for 5w-30 and that is what I put in, I can't verify what was in it before that oil change.

I did a bit more diagnosing last night and without pulling the engine I'm pretty much at a stand still other than trying some oil treatment and flush. I'll pick something up today and dump it in before my drive home (I'll read the directions, shocking I know but not my car so I'll be careful.), I drove it to work and other than shortly after initial startup the light never came back on. Everything sounded good as well.

JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

JB, I was thinking mid 90s with an LT1 gen 1 SBC.

With 192k on the clock, the oil pump in that 5.3l would be suspect.

 

[MrPink]

I agree with outlaw, I'd replace the oil pump.

 

[Finallygotit]

Or, it may be so sludged up that the oil doesn't drain out of the heads and lifter valley, preventing enough to accumulate in the sump for the pump to build pressure, especially if the rotating assembly is "loose"...

This ^^^^^

 

[Slowbuilder]

Your first test is probably the best with this engine - check the sensor. I have seen failures of the sensor on this vintage 5.3

 

[jbmatth]

@OutlawDrifter, I didn't realize oil pumps in LS would go out that soon

JB, I was thinking mid 90s with an LT1 gen 1 SBC.

With 192k on the clock, the oil pump in that 5.3l would be suspect.

@OutlawDrifter, I didn't realize oil pumps in LS would go out that soon, I've had two with 300k miles still making acceptable pressure. Is that pretty common?

I agree with outlaw, I'd replace the oil pump.

I think that is what I'll have to do, sadly it is an engine out job, and I've never pulled one in an Impala before, so don't know any of the tricks yet.

This ^^^^^

I'm going for the oil treatment and flush first thing then go from there.

Your first test is probably the best with this engine - check the sensor. I have seen failures of the sensor on this vintage 5.3

I believe the sensor is fine, tough to test as the readers I have won't pull that PID for some reason. The reason I feel it is fine is that the oil pressure warning goes off with elevated RPM.

JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

@OutlawDrifter, I didn't realize oil pumps in LS would go out that soon, I've had two with 300k miles still making acceptable pressure. Is that pretty common?

JB, it is common with the symptoms you are pointing too. Low oil pressure at idle, 9/10 a pump will take care of the issue in the LS platform. Yes I have seen a ton of them go past 250k miles with the factory pump, I have also seen a lot of the DOD/AFM engines start to show signs around 150K.

Cheap insurance on an LS is always a new pump and timing chain, both are the more common wear items up front.

 

[MrPink]

JB, it is common with the symptoms you are pointing too. Low oil pressure at idle, 9/10 a pump will take care of the issue in the LS platform. Yes I have seen a ton of them go past 250k miles with the factory pump, I have also seen a lot of the DOD/AFM engines start to show signs around 150K.

Cheap insurance on an LS is always a new pump and timing chain, both are the more common wear items up front.

I have a 400k 5.3L that still holds 40psi @ idle and 60ish whilst driving. But when I get it ready to go into my 95 Silverado I will be doing timing chain, cam, oil pump and lifters all before it goes in. I will not be doing bearings or anything else on the short block. It also won't be seeing boost either, just a cam, intake manifold, headers and a tune

 

[jbmatth]

JB, it is common with the symptoms you are pointing too. Low oil pressure at idle, 9/10 a pump will take care of the issue in the LS platform. Yes I have seen a ton of them go past 250k miles with the factory pump, I have also seen a lot of the DOD/AFM engines start to show signs around 150K.

Cheap insurance on an LS is always a new pump and timing chain, both are the more common wear items up front.

Great info, my sample size is pretty limited but all positive, thanks again for sharing.

I have a 400k 5.3L that still holds 40psi @ idle and 60ish whilst driving. But when I get it ready to go into my 95 Silverado I will be doing timing chain, cam, oil pump and lifters all before it goes in. I will not be doing bearings or anything else on the short block. It also won't be seeing boost either, just a cam, intake manifold, headers and a tune

When I had my engine out that went into the S10 I replaced the oil pump as well as the other items you mentioned and all seemed to work fine when pulled and no visible change from what was already installed. I guess it is cheap insurance either way.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

Well as usual I've been way busier than I would like to be, I won't go into it all but lots of mowing at my place as well as by buddies house who is deployed, spraying for weeds, working on this and that etc. The local cruise night was last Friday and I took the Cobra out for a spin and someone caught this shot of me giving a ride to one of the laborers in my area from work:


It was a good time and nice that the temperature never got over 200 for the entire cruise.

Sunday I cleaned up the S10 and took some beauty shots of it and now have it posted for sale, I have it listed at $7,500, someone will get a heck of a truck for the price:






I am keeping the plates though, not letting them go for certain.

JB

 

[MrPink]

What's the next project on the docket after the s-10 sells?

 

[zmotorsports]

What's the next project on the docket after the s-10 sells?

^^Yeah, what he said?

The truck looks great and should make someone a nice ride JB.

 

[OutlawDrifter]

JB, it will make someone a nice pickup for sure! I saw the ad this morning, good listing my friend!

 

[jbmatth]

What's the next project on the docket after the s-10 sells?

MrPink,
The engine for the Cobra is the next big project, it is *********** fast! I also want to cut back on the number of potential projects I could be working on, I'm spending too much time on maintenance and not enough on fun projects.

^^Yeah, what he said?

The truck looks great and should make someone a nice ride JB.

Mike,
I sure think it will, it did photograph pretty well, it isn't perfect that is for certain but the light and a bit of wax sure made it pop.

JB, it will make someone a nice pickup for sure! I saw the ad this morning, good listing my friend!

My original writeup was about 3 times the length but I couldn't put that much information in the add, kinda frustrating as I left out way more than I wanted to for a what I would consider a good for sale add. I have had a ton of interest and someone is planning to come see it today after work.

JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

My original writeup was about 3 times the length but I couldn't put that much information in the add, kinda frustrating as I left out way more than I wanted to for a what I would consider a good for sale add. I have had a ton of interest and someone is planning to come see it today after work.

JB

Next time do the write up, screen shot it as necessary to capture all of it, and add as a picture. That has worked for me in the past!

 

[jbmatth]

Next time do the write up, screen shot it as necessary to capture all of it, and add as a picture. That has worked for me in the past!

But that is just too simple, I feel very bad that I didn't think to do that. I'm "young" and supposed to be good with technology and using it to my advantage.

JB

 

[Grizz1963]

Will you miss that truck ?

You built it a few times after all.

I would love something like that if only I knew my way around them, and of course if gas was not nearly $2.00 per liter.

 

[jbmatth]

Will you miss that truck ?

You built it a few times after all.

I would love something like that if only I knew my way around them, and of course if gas was not nearly $2.00 per liter.

I will certainly miss the truck Grizz, I put a lot of blood, sweat, tears and money into it over the three build phases. But I think I got from it what I was looking for in experiences, joy, memories and learning.

After the trans swap the fuel mileage dropped a bit again, I'll do some math and post up some final thoughts soon.

JB

 

[shopnut]

Sunday I cleaned up the S10 and took some beauty shots of it and now have it posted for sale, I have it listed at $7,500, someone will get a heck of a truck for the price:

My dad was looking all over for a clean S10 or older Ranger. Looked all over. Finally found a Ranger that suited him. This would have been a nice one for him though. Good luck selling her.

 

[jbmatth]

My dad was looking all over for a clean S10 or older Ranger. Looked all over. Finally found a Ranger that suited him. This would have been a nice one for him though. Good luck selling her.

It certainly wasn't perfect, it was in good shape but not as nice as I would have wanted it to be honestly. I did sell it though, it is headed to Dodge. Well Dodge City anyway, the new owner has a few other toys and even an LS swapped Blazer Xtreme so it is in good hands.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

Another busy weekend without a ton to show for it that was photo worthy, I replaced the rear brake pads on Lever Action. The outer pads I could see with the wheels on still had plenty of life left, that was not the case for the inner pads, I hate to admit it but these snuck up on me and went metal to metal for my trip home:

New pads in and while I was at it I drained the fluid from the trans and put in new Synchromesh MTF, I suppose the last person to do this didn't use it as now the trans is much quieter than before. I attempted to work on the AC on it as well only to discover the compressor is locked up, oh well AC is over rated anyway, not worth fixing it right now.

I also worked on the JD 4010 some more and replaced the diaphragm in the carb, that wasn't the culprit it appears, more checking to do, fingers crossed.

A friend sent me a photo of his car, he hurt his last engine and upgraded to an LSA with a bit of work done to it:


He mentioned it dyno'd 850, should be fun in his little fiberglass car.

JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

I attempted to do front brakes on the 'burb this weekend, before realizing I didn't have the necessary 36mm socket to pull the front hubs...

Surely you've got a spare compressor laying around from an LS swap!

Is that a Factory 5 car? 850 will be down right scary!

 

[jbmatth]

I attempted to do front brakes on the 'burb this weekend, before realizing I didn't have the necessary 36mm socket to pull the front hubs...

Surely you've got a spare compressor laying around from an LS swap!

Is that a Factory 5 car? 850 will be down right scary!

I have a 36mm impact socket you can borrow, just swing down and pick it up.

I usually don't keep the compressors because they "never" go out, I may have one on an engine I have but I'm sure the ports have been open for years.

It is a Factory 5 car, it was a low 10 second car with the old engine in which "only" made mid 500 range.

JB

 

[jbmatth]

I continue to work on the JD 4010 to get it to run better, or even run at all but keep hitting road blocks and I'm afraid I am the road block at this point. It has spark, fuel, and it pulling a good amount of air into the engine. I can get it to start for short periods of time sometimes and not start at other times. Spraying starting fluid doesn't seem to change how much it runs. Spark verified at the plugs, everything I check seems to point out that it is working just fine. I think I'm going to have to call in someone to help, I am just out of ideas.

In other news I pulled the 6x6 apart to clean it out, not good:

Everything was rusty and even the bearings were all seized, everything was toast, took a couple photos and listed it for sale, 5 hours later it was gone and I had $200 in my pocket.

Did a little fishing with the girls, burned a couple limb piles, and cut a couple trees in the pasture, all in all a productive weekend.

JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

JB, sometimes it's good to call in some help on a project when you're not getting any traction. A fresh set of ideas and eyes can often lead to a solid solution!

Too bad on the 6x6, but sometimes its good to take 3-steps back and punt...send them back into the wild.

 

[XJSuperman]

Selling the 6x6 was probably a blessing in disguise. Even if you got it running, you'd probably find out the hull was cracked all over and leaking.

Too bad on the 4010. Nothing is coming to mind for me so I'll have to do some digging.

 

[jbmatth]

JB, sometimes it's good to call in some help on a project when you're not getting any traction. A fresh set of ideas and eyes can often lead to a solid solution!

Too bad on the 6x6, but sometimes its good to take 3-steps back and punt...send them back into the wild.

Luckily I should be getting a contact to help on the 4010, I would really like to get it running before Wednesday as there is a tractor up for auction I have my eyes on ending that evening.

It would have been a complete rebuild, not enough time or energy to deal with that right now.

Selling the 6x6 was probably a blessing in disguise. Even if you got it running, you'd probably find out the hull was cracked all over and leaking.

Too bad on the 4010. Nothing is coming to mind for me so I'll have to do some digging.

I appreciate the comments, I could list things I've tried for hours and still not have everything listed. We shall see though, I could really use it running right now to continue on some work with it.

JB

 

[shopnut]

In other news I pulled the 6x6 apart to clean it out, not good:

Everything was rusty and even the bearings were all seized, everything was toast, took a couple photos and listed it for sale, 5 hours later it was gone and I had $200 in my pocket.

Did a little fishing with the girls, burned a couple limb piles, and cut a couple trees in the pasture, all in all a productive weekend.

JB

Yeah, pretty far gone, but it would have been fun just the same.

Good for you saying NO to some projects. I find it hard to do sometimes.

 

[jbmatth]

@shopnut, I normally don't say no, but I guess with age comes wisdom. In the end I probably would be money ahead to just buy one complete and running they come up from time to time and are comparable to a 4 wheeler in decent shape.

JB

 

[MrPink]

It looked like you saved yourself a lot of hassle with that 6x6, I would have done the same as you. I have done the same as you. I acquired a jeep wrangler in trade at one point that I was going to turn into a nice offroader. I started digging into it an found that i'd have to frame off it and even then it would cost me more than it would have been worth. so i sold it as a parts rig. I kept the few parts that I wanted(trans, Dana 300 t-case) and wheels/tires

 

[jbmatth]

MrPink,
I completely agree, I have really started to take a look at the projects I have on my plate and trim them back a bit. I've been very busy with work and around the house on little things that take too much time and haven't been as productive as I was previously so less projects the better.

JB

 

[Grizz1963]

Sorry to see the 6 go, but as mentioned, someone else can figure it out.

There are always more toys out there.

 

[jbmatth]

Well since you mention more toys Griz...



I won this at auction last night and picking it up this weekend along with a couple other small things. I was happy with the price for a '65 JD 4020 diesel.

JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

Big time farmer now!

 

[XJSuperman]

Looks a little rough around the edges but you're off to a great start. There were many many more of those with diesels than the gas so diagnostics and such will be a little easier I believe. The Deere loader is helpful in that you don't have the aftermarket rigging sometimes seen with others.

Is this one a powershift or a Syncro?

You're going to have to sync up with @cliftonbros89 if you are going to be acquiring JD new generation tractors.

 

[Sifan]

How times have changed, growing up, 4020 was primary beast tractor on farm, now it's a utility tractor.

 

[jbmatth]

Big time farmer now!

@OutlawDrifter, I don't know about bigtime farmer, but I sure hope this one will serve my needs, ie run and start. It was a tough call to even bid on this one but in the end I got it for half or less than what similar tractors have been selling for. I did watch a video of it starting, driving forward and reverse as well as the bucket moving, so fingers crossed it'll work out for me.

Sadly one of the items I didn't bid on in time was a JD 6' rotary mower that sold for $100, I would have gladly paid double that for it. Another I missed was a 5x6 round bailer JD as well went for $640, oh well, I'll just have to keep looking. You were right, auctions can be addicting.

Looks a little rough around the edges but you're off to a great start. There were many many more of those with diesels than the gas so diagnostics and such will be a little easier I believe. The Deere loader is helpful in that you don't have the aftermarket rigging sometimes seen with others.

Is this one a powershift or a Syncro?

You're going to have to sync up with @cliftonbros89 if you are going to be acquiring JD new generation tractors.

@XJSuperman As many of my things it doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to work and work hard, kinda like me. I was pleased to see it had the 148 loader on it, seems to be pretty usable and much easier to work on the engine that the way mine is attached on the 4010.

I was pleased to learn the 4020 is a decent amount bigger than the 4010, almost 2,000 lbs heavier and an extra 10-15 hp never hurts.

The trans is the Syncro just like my current 4010, lucky for me so I don't have to relearn the shift pattern.

I'm not familiar with him, I'll look him up, thanks.

How times have changed, growing up, 4020 was primary beast tractor on farm, now it's a utility tractor.

It is a bit more than a utility tractor, well at least to me compared to the 40 horse and under compact tractors so popular around now. My grandparents have one on their farm by KC and it was the go to tractor for everything until they started getting much bigger equipment but still does hay duty year round.

JB

 

[mybigwarwagon]

That 4020 should serve you well. I need to get the steering on my Ford 4500 fixed.

 

[Toothaker]

@jbmatth , was that an online auction or were you in person? The online auctions I've been visiting have sale prices that are out of line with reality, and add in the 10% auction fee things are really out of kilter.

 

[jbmatth]

That 4020 should serve you well. I need to get the steering on my Ford 4500 fixed.

Well I'm sure it would have, more to come on that little story shortly. Well what are you waiting for, the Fords always seem to need a little love.

@jbmatth , was that an online auction or were you in person? The online auctions I've been visiting have sale prices that are out of line with reality, and add in the 10% auction fee things are really out of kilter.

It was an online only auction, some of the equipment went pretty high but other stuff went really low! I found out why I got a good deal on the "4020", more to come.

JB