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RickyPetite

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I bought a DK20Q for $339. The price for $140 for a scratch and dent is amazing. That post was over 1 month ago...wonder if they are still available. Stevensville MD is 140 miles from my house...tempting. BTW, the jack is fabulous. Smooth, heavy, amazing quality. Love the foot pedal.
 
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One word of warning regarding the DK20Q. I purchased the extension FDK1 which adds about 2.5 inches of lift height. Interestingly, the surface of the extension that contacts the car is fairly smooth (2 minimally recessed grooves), no cup like on a standard saddle. Despite my reservations, I lifted the front of my wife's Highlander via the central lift point (it's also smooth)...as you could have guessed, the front end slipped and came crashing down (I was jacking it up, no risk of injury). Bent the frame underneath the radiator which is connected to the hood release. Unable to open the hood. Had to take the whole thing apart from underneath. Nightmare. Won't use that accessory again.
 

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The long reach 13 isn't a light pump (when loaded), but I don't find it objectionably hard. If you find yourself putting the majority of your body weight on it, then either something is wrong or you are trying to lift at/over rated load. If it is simply 'I am not used to putting some force into the handle' then that is normal and to the best of my knowledge is not adjustable. I've always just taken it as the price you may for such a long moment arm.

The long reach 20 is a lighter pump for a given weight, but it won't fit under low cars as well.
 
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Seems hard to me, but I only used it this one time.
Now...... I am wondering......
I started out jacking with the jack handle in the fully vertical position, and just went a few degrees. (I had to lean on it pretty good)
I wonder if I started from a lower position,
(Jack handle more horizontal)
if that would give me more leverage?
I hope I expressed that clearly.
I'll have to try that when I am ready to let the car down.
 
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bubinga

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Is it that bad? I have had the 20 for over 15 years never an issue from the start except, I had to get used to how fast it can lower and learned how to use it to lower the load slower.
Did you see the link where you can adjust the lowering speed?
This is for the 13, but the 20 may be the same unit.
 

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A quick google says an 01 Grand Prix has a curb weight of 3380-3560lb and a weight distribution of around 65/35. You're lifting 22-2300lb. You've got a 1.3T jack, so you're close to maxing it out. When you're close to maxing out a jack, it's going to take a good bit of effort. What weight rating jack are you used to using?
 
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bubinga

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A quick google says an 01 Grand Prix has a curb weight of 3380-3560lb and a weight distribution of around 65/35. You're lifting 22-2300lb. You've got a 1.3T jack, so you're close to maxing it out. When you're close to maxing out a jack, it's going to take a good bit of effort. What weight rating jack are you used to using?
I don't remember what my other jacks were. More than 1.3 T I'm sure.

What about the handle position I mentioned, would that have an effect on leverage?
 

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I don't remember what my other jacks were. More than 1.3 T I'm sure.

What about the handle position I mentioned, would that have an effect on leverage?
Pulling horizontally likely will feel tougher than pushing straight down with your body weight, but I've got a feeling your disappointment is simply due to the fact that you purchased a fairly low capacity jack and you're probably used to using a 2 or 3 ton unit. It's somewhat of an unavoidable compromise to get the super long, low-profile reach.
 

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Seems hard to me, but I only used it this one time.
Now...... I am wondering......
I started out jacking with the jack handle in the fully vertical position, and just went a few degrees. (I had to lean on it pretty good)
I wonder if I started from a lower position,
(Jack handle more horizontal)
if that would give me more leverage?
I hope I expressed that clearly.
I'll have to try that when I am ready to let the car down.
Yes, a more horizontal handle position will increase initial leverage a great deal. I use this technique on my 20 YO HF 2 ton with only half of the handle inserted. I just move this short handle up 5 to maybe 8 inches per stroke (I often step on it with my foot). This works with almost everything I've thrown at the jack (everything up to the '06 Nissan Crew Cab 4x, which required the full length handle while replacing the leaf springs).
 

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Agree with Black300zx. I generally find that the higher I want to lift, the more over-spec I want the jack to be. You're kind of all over the place, starting with wanting a 1.5-2 ton jack which is barely enough even if not high lift. IMO, even a higher quality jack if used at its limits, will not have great lifespan.

So I figured, you must want a light weight jack but then you turned around and got something very heavy for being 1.5T, of course to get more lift, but if your jack stands were $55 (later stated rose to $100), how much lift can they do, without resorting to the last height notch which I never like to use if it can be avoided?

Keep in mind, that if you're only lifting one end of a car, getting that end over 2' off the ground is quite an angle you're putting it in, cross-loading the jack stands, or are you lifting all 4 corners and already had a set of stands that the new stands would compliment?

It just seems to me that you'd be as well off getting a typical $150-ish, low profile 3T jack with ~20" lift, or something equivalent to the HF Daytona with ~24". An '01 Grand Prix isn't a special application that should need a special jack. If you want to also use it on a high ground clearance vehicle like a truck or SUV, okay then you may benefit more from 24" lift but you'll also want at least 3T rating.
 
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I've been using that same 1.3T long reach AC for over a decade with no ill consequences or maintenance. The 1.3T is metric, so about 2800lb. Which has always been plenty for our sports cars and Toyota SUVs. It will not do heavy vehicles like my diesel 3/4 ton truck, but should have no trouble with a Grand Prix. I do pump it from 45 deg or so down to horizontal, and I find the 29" lift quite useful.

But, to each his own. If it isn't right for you, then it isn't the right jack. Get rid of it for one that is.
 
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Pulling horizontally likely will feel tougher than pushing straight down with your body weight, but I've got a feeling your disappointment is simply due to the fact that you purchased a fairly low capacity jack and you're probably used to using a 2 or 3 ton unit. It's somewhat of an unavoidable compromise to get the super long, low-profile reach.
If that's the case I kind of wished I would have sent it back, but I'm out of the return window.
 
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I've been using that same 1.3T long reach AC for over a decade with no ill consequences or maintenance. The 1.3T is metric, so about 2800lb. Which has always been plenty for our sports cars and Toyota SUVs. It will not do heavy vehicles like my diesel 3/4 ton truck, but should have no trouble with a Grand Prix. I do pump it from 45 deg or so down to horizontal, and I find the 29" lift quite useful.

But, to each his own. If it isn't right for you, then it isn't the right jack. Get rid of it for one that is.
Well I'll have to try It from 45 deg or so down to horizontal.
Maybe that's a lot of my trouble.
 
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