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The 790/890 platform is great at what it does, pavement and wide open spaces and remote dirt/gravel roads. I think single tracking these bikes is just a little silly. There are so many better tools for that, like your 500 or my 300 2t. But especially for you western guys, this is THE bike for adventure in my opinion. Some day when the world wakes up I will ride out west. I really want to ride some of the BDR's. I'm going to run out of places here in Nova Scotia some day. But until then .... Adventure Rides 2021

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I'm confused about the whole headlight thing - it seems like the lower brace would take any pressure off the bottom mount but the Camel part looks easy enough.
Guys are breaking the top mounting point off the steering head. It's a cast part welded onto the frame and it basically rips the 2 threaded sides off and leaves the welded center portion on the frame. There are pics over on ADVrider. I can tell you that my headlight pod is much more stable with the Camel brace installed.
 
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(mission) creep. After all, I pulled my 950 swingarm to powder coat it black and then it became a two wheel drive 990
I've spent the last month or two reading your 2WD 990 thread on ADVRider. Shame some of the old photos and videos are missing, but after 12 years, it has absolutely stood the test of time. Still truly amazing.

Ben, do you still have that bike? Last post from you on the ADVRider thread was in 2019 and it was in pieces.
 

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Ben, do you still have that bike? Last post from you on the ADVRider thread was in 2019 and it was in pieces.
Yep, I do. It runs well but it’s hard to start after the rebuild, I think there’s an issue with the throttle body. I’ve been meaning to swap that (I have spares of everything for a 990 by now) but have been ******* with guitar and amplifier building projects. I did put a rally exhaust on it- the exhaust Gregor made is beautiful but so loud I was afraid the neighbors would burn my house down before I get it tuned well. I expect this fall I’ll make progress and revive the thread.
Honestly my KTM 500 and 890 are so very good I haven’t felt much motivation on the AWD bike.
 

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the exhaust Gregor made is beautiful but so loud I was afraid the neighbors would burn my house down
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Great to hear that it's back together and running well. Having two other great bikes is not a bad problem to have!

Do you have a build thread somewhere for your guitar and amp projects? I'm intrigued.
 

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Do you have a build thread somewhere for your guitar and amp projects? I'm intrigued.
I don’t, I suppose I could set something up. I’m not sure the appropriate forum, suppose GJ could work.

My recent guitar build was a 000 size X-braced acoustic that I’m really happy with. I’m currently finishing a Gibson EH-185 amp with a field coil speaker, it was a tricky layout but I think I have it pretty well dialed. Should be heating that up for the first time next week.

It’s peripherally related here- Gregor welded up the chassis for the amp.

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So I've been very lucky to have a lot of work this summer. Summer's aren't typically that busy for me but this one, post pandemic, has been. While a lot of my work is shooting at least as much is retouching which means I'm spending a lot of time behind the screen and that really makes me a bit stir crazy. My solution to that is to go out to the shop and work with my hands.

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This old Roto-Beam fan fell off a table in the studio in NYC and broke the blade and smashed the cage. It always vibrated a little and an assistant had placed it a bit close to the edge. At the time I'd never seen one of these that large and it was probably the most I'd ever spent on a fan ($250) so it was pretty disappointing when it broke.

I found a person to weld the blade years ago (before I could weld aluminum) but the vibration was so much worse after the fall that it just sat - too rare to get rid of, too complete to part out and too broken to use.

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Needing a project to counter endless hours in front of the monitor I thought I'd see if my skills had improved enough to fix it.

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It had always been a project fan even before the fall. The cage had broken and missing wires and many of the tack welds that held them in place had long since failed. Everything about this fan was a low bar so there wasn't much pressure.

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I disassembled the whole thing and just started with the cage. I found the missing sections of the cage were close to 1/8" welding wire so I cut and bent sections with stainless 308 filler rod. The quality of these cages is primitive at best and the wire is pot metal so I wasn't concerned with matching the steel and the stainless would not need to be chromed.

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I went around the cage cleaning the rust with a wire brush in a dremmel. Well, not a dremmel - but Milwaukee version.

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It take less power to melt the cage than the filler rod and I probably should have used silicon bronze but it felt like a challenge to try to make the stainless work. I found striking my arc on the filler first would give me a small amount of material that I could then pulse and melt into the cage. There was a lot of broken welds all over so I would work on this for 20-30 minutes every time I needed a break.

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The next thing I did was to see how far out the repaired blade was. It wasn't bad and I was able to get it within a few millimeters with some gentle bending but with the blade back on the motor it still wobbled...

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I mounted the motor on a v-block and put an indicator on it and found it was about 10-20 thou out towards the end and only 1-2 out at the point the shaft entered the motor. So clearly it bent the shaft in the fall.

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I wasn't sure the best way to attack this so I took the motor apart and tried supporting it with v-blocks and giving it some gentle taps. It was tricky finding ways to support it nearer the rotor but it didn't need to go far and I managed to get it down to only a few thousandths out.

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Next I started to work on the blade. Again, these are pretty primitive and built in the late 30's so the castings are rough. I don't know if the blades were always polished on them or if some weren't but this one was a pretty dull finish and since the blade is hands down my favorite part of these I wanted to at least get a bit of polish on them.

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I'm late to the party with the 3m Roloc attachments but it's pretty great and far superior to the velcro disks I'd used before - or rather never used because they worked so poorly. The small disks did a good job of getting into most spots...

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...but the Dynafile made appearance as it was great at getting into tight spots. I did a bit of sanding but mostly I used the scotchbrite or woven abrasives so as to not remove too much material.

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You can't quite see it but there's a faint name cast into the blade on the back and too much sanding would make it disappear.

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All of this has taken place over the last month in 20-30 minute increments and I didn't really take too many photos because I started without any sense of whether or not I'd be able to save it. It was a very classic mission creep project and once I'd taken it apart and covered the bench I needed to keep going.

With the cage repaired and welded back I started trying to bend and tweak the shape back. It's fairly soft metal so most of it I could do with my hands but some bits I'd tap with the hammer.

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I set the motor housing on my v-blocks to get it off the bench and then just kept trying to bend it using a scrap bit of aluminum as my gauge.

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I then put the two halves together and continued to tap and nudge the cage to a more round shape. Again, it's not perfect but then even when new these weren't perfect so at some point you need to step back and be okay with it. I want to be able to use this fan - maybe in the shop - and the goal is just to fix it.

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Overall it's round. Because it's a bit organic I made a point of finding the best fit of the two halves and then marked that with some bits of tape so it would go back together.

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The base is enameled cast steel and quite heavy and also dirty and scratched but Mother helped me with that.

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I wire wheeled the fasteners and gave them a light polish on the buffer.

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The switch was always loose and I discovered, after buying some locking nuts that were 1/2-20 fine thread that it's actually 1/2-28 and while I do have a lathe and could probably have made and cut my own special locking nuts I opted to make a spacer because cutting threads on the lathe is big hassle.

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It's not original or correct but I was more concerned with just getting it off the bench. At this point the 890 is home and I have some new hand guards to put on and if I put the fan in a box to clear the bench it will stay in the box forever. I have another fan in a box as a reminder of how that happens. Good enough is better than a box of parts.

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Thankfully I took a photo of the wiring because I couldn't remember how it went. I shored up the original wires with a bit of heat shrink and used wire nuts (original was solder and tape) so that if I want to remove it later I'm not cutting and shortening the wires. The motor works well and is very smooth so it doesn't need to be rewound. Don't worry, the green masking tape isn't being used as electrical tape - it was only to identify which wires went together.

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With the motor back in the housing I tested the wiring and it worked on all speeds so I buttoned it back up. These old fans use slotted screws and of course standard fasteners and I've replaced the rusted original fasteners with stainless.

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I was tempted to take the cage off the housing and then send the whole lot off to be chromed and maybe some day I'll do that but for now it's going to live in it's original repaired state. Nothing is too far gone so that's a good place to stop.

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You can see the weld repairs and the blade was not polished to a mirror finish - I didn't want to over restore it. I think trying to make it perfect would just be frustrating.

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It is very smooth at full speed, it vibrates a bit on medium and it's silky smooth on low speed. I don't have much interest in trying to go back and figure it out. Because the blade doesn't have a through hole I wasn't able to static balance the weight of the blade which might be the issue. It would need some kind of jig to allow the blade to be statically balanced but for now, in the middle of a heat wave, I am going to be satisfied with it.

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And here is my favorite part of these Roto-Beams - the nose of the blade is always left exposed so you can touch it because we all have that compulsion to touch a spinning fan blade. Of course the center is harmless and so this is a really neat feature dreamt up before we worried about protecting people from themselves.

Touching this point is something you can't really resist and yet my kids still have all their fingers. Remarkable! It's a shame that so much of the design that surrounds us is limited by protecting the stupidest around us. It's yet another reason I love these olds fans so much - they are from an era of personal responsibility and they are more beautiful for it.

Gregor
 

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OK, we all want to see the video of you sticking your finger into the nose cone area! Nice old fan. I love old stuff that still works. My grandmother still used a wringer washer into the late 80’s. just because it still worked.
 
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Whoa! another first post here. Cool. Yeah, I did a video but just something quick for IG.

On the video note we almost have the fly-n-ride video edited. Because I'm not doing it.

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Nice work on the fan Gregor. And especially love that you haven't over-restored it - too many people make stuff better than new when 'restoring' it, and completely lose the soul and the heritage of the original item. I think you've struck a nice balance.
 

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I inherited a box parts of an old broken fan 20 years ago. Your past posts kept me from throwing it all away. Now I am thinking about that neat old fan again. I am acquiring more skills all the time. Maybe your next fan post will get me to dig it out and get to work.
 

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Hello Gregor,

Thanks again as always for taking the time to post with as much detail and pictures as you do.

With your fan “restoration” (and I put that in quotes on purpose as it’s always tough to decide where to draw the line), I truly get that struggle.

I recently pulled the front seat out of my 1970 Buick to have the foam replaced and that somehow led to a thorough interior restoration. The work could have gone much deeper but at some point I had to stop.

Old things were always imperfect. They weren’t perfect in the first place. Very easy to over-restore

What’s cool is having an old thing that’s every bit as useful and functional and tidy as a new thing, but it’s an old thing.

I have a love for old things.

Ed
 

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Not to be too pedantic, but wire nuts on that fan are not ideal. They do not handle vibration well, it’s why you shouldn’t use them on vehicles either.
it’ll probably be just fine, but if you take it apart again id recommend you use something else.
 
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Not to be too pedantic, but wire nuts on that fan are not ideal. They do not handle vibration well, it’s why you shouldn’t use them on vehicles either.
it’ll probably be just fine, but if you take it apart again id recommend you use something else.

Yes, not an ideal solution but I suspect that i'm going to replace the wires at some point. I typically will tape them and then bundle them together so nothing chaos. I'd like to have the wires from the motor replaced but I think that might require a rewind which I'm not up for at the moment.

I'm now in the middle of my huge annual Oprah shoot so I'm going to be absent for a while. Hopefully at the end of this Ben and I are going to escape for a few days to scout out the last two sections of the first trip. Rev'It! has come on board as a partner for the trips and hopefully that will mean that people will be able to get a good discount. By next week I'm going to have a new website up and launched so stay tuned.

Gregor
 

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Not to be too pedantic, but wire nuts on that fan are not ideal. They do not handle vibration well, it’s why you shouldn’t use them on vehicles either.
it’ll probably be just fine, but if you take it apart again id recommend you use something else.

Good point, and not something I would have thought of....Does a tape wrap over the wire nuts and down over the wire help with that? ....or is it significantly better to just replace the wire nuts with crimped connectors?
 
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Hi Gregor,

First post on garage journal despite being a lurker for a number of years and reading your thread through a number of times.

I’d just like to refer you to this video from Rottweiler Performance showing a “Race Build” for the 790/890 Adventure.

Purely to entice you to do it better and document it here for myself and everyone else to enjoy.

Look forward to seeing the progress when the project kicks off!
 
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Hi guys,

Sorry for the quiet. I'm working 14-18 hour days on my big holiday Oprah shoot. This year is a bit more disorganized than previous years so it's taking a lot of time.

But, if you've followed along you know about my plan/dream to do the tours thing and yesterday that finally became the reality. Here's the new website:


and my first review: https://www.vicariousmag.com/saku-moto-trips-two-wheeled-curiosity/

I've been working on this for a while. I decided to riff off of my user name as that's always been my "alter-ego" but also it comes back to the original meaning of "saku" being blossom - something beautiful and moto, the harder more aggressive part. Dichotomy is something I love and this felt right to me. My brother designed the logo, which I didn't like at first and had him do a bunch of other ones, then decided I needed to let go and accept the help and advice. I now really love it. In it you'll see; wheels, fans, albums - things that spin.

I know it's a late thing and this first trip will be a bit of working things out but I know it will be amazing. If you are interested let me know as there's a few more spots left but I want to keep this trip pretty small. You don't need to be an advanced rider - it's going to be more geared towards beginner/intermediate dirt riders.

Thanks for the support and encouragement along the way. I am looking forward to this next chapter.

Gregor
 

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A bit excited here, went straight to your web page. Its instantly recognizable as you. You and your work have such a great signature look.

There is a heinous spelling error in your team incomplete bike description.

I’ve been transitioning to being self employed and bought a Sony A7III to supplement the drone surveying I’ve been doing. Now I am dreaming of the possibilities of seeing amazing places on an adventure bike, and learning more about professional photography and maybe some practical camera knowledge. I hope to see you in the spring. I wonder if I can find a big bike rental, my old heavy 955 tiger might not be up for a coast to coast trip and some of the mud the PNW might serve up.

Best of luck to your new adventure.
 
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A bit excited here, went straight to your web page. Its instantly recognizable as you. You and your work have such a great signature look.

There is a heinous spelling error in your team incomplete bike description.

Best of luck to your new adventure.

Yes, that was a bad error! Thanks for catching it. BWM...

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So BIKE EXIF got in touch with me after seeing my XR100 after the refresh I did for Lara and they asked to feature the bike. I decided to hold off until I was able to get the site live but I also wanted to make sure I shot the bike in it's "dirt" guise as well as the supermoto set up. That article came out today: https://www.bikeexif.com/honda-xr100-dirt-bike

And, if anyone is interested in hanging out for a weekend in October that costs way less than the big trip you should join us at American Supercamp in Elma, WA Oct 24-25. I signed up today and I talked to Danny (Walker) and he said he'd give an extra $25 off the early sign up cost for anyone using the code "Saku-Moto" - I'll confirm tomorrow when he sets it up.

If you're at all curious you should sign up. Beginners to Experts are all in one class separated into three groups. I've done this school probably about a dozen times over the last 20 years and it was the single most helpful school I ever took and it's why I own this XR100 in the first place - one class and I bought an XR100, this one.

Street rider, adventure rider, dirt rider - you will all learn something. As I think about the things I want to teach on the trips this and Jimmy Lewis' school are the ones that were most foundational for me. Balance and traction. This school is more about traction and Jimmy is more about balance but they are intertwined for sure.

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And if you sign up for the tour you'll get to ride this bike in this setup on the Alvord - it will be a "pre" class exercise. And this guy below will be along with us to give some pointers as well. Scott has beaten pro's on his beaten up sleeper of an XR100 and he'll surely school us all but it will be great fun.

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Traction and balance. Balance and traction.

Gregor
 

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I was just coming here to post up the BIkeExif link.

Very excited for you Gregor. If the rest of my year wasn't overbooked (and if my son's birthday wasn't right in the middle of all that) I would be looking at flights for Supercamp.
 

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Good luck with the new adventure biz. A quick look at the website shows it's up to your usual impeccably high standards! Will you be offering some photography as part of your package? I can imagine that your customers are also the kind of people who'd love getting magazine quality pics from their ride to commemorate the experience - I know I certainly would!
 
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Good luck with the new adventure biz. A quick look at the website shows it's up to your usual impeccably high standards! Will you be offering some photography as part of your package? I can imagine that your customers are also the kind of people who'd love getting magazine quality pics from their ride to commemorate the experience - I know I certainly would!

Scott and I will shoot the whole trip like we did the REV’IT! job and at the end everybody will get a coffee table book from the trip. So yes!

Gregor
 

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Shoot, your "builds" page on your website looks like you're selling custom rebuild jobs on bikes, and not great experiences on bikes. And now the van's a business expense.

Seriously, good luck with the business venture. That looks like a great experience for your customers/clients.
 

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Gregor, just wanted to thank you for the reminder about, and discount to, American Supercamp.
 

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Gregor I loved the Chasing the Light series on Revit's youtube channel. Although I did notice a recurring theme... "Gregor insists on camping in the middle of the dry lake for the aesthetic, mud ruins everything...." and "Gregor insisted on visiting the hot springs, mud ruins everything...." :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
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Gregor, just wanted to thank you for the reminder about, and discount to, American Supercamp.
You're welcome. It was super fun.
So how did you make out on your first guided moto adventure tour?
It was a disaster and complete success. See Next post.
Gregor I loved the Chasing the Light series on Revit's youtube channel. Although I did notice a recurring theme... "Gregor insists on camping in the middle of the dry lake for the aesthetic, mud ruins everything...." and "Gregor insisted on visiting the hot springs, mud ruins everything...." :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Thanks. I did insist on having an adventure and I'm not going to apologize for that!

If you didn't catch it the trip we did back in June was finally released in video:


Whoa! we can finally embed video here?!?!

Gregor
 
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