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My 20gal compressor bit it last night. It does look like I could fix it, but I've never really beEn happy with it. From day one it's leaked and been stupid loud. My wife hates how loud it is and I agree... I don't want to hear my compression from my house when it's in my detached garage. To top it off, it just wasn't quite powerful enough for my needs anyway.

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Anyway, for my needs. I mostly use my compressor to blow off my chainsaws, run an impact and to spray my vehicles each year with woolwax. I would like to get some other pneumatic tools. Just last week I bought a Milwaukee M12 Fuel RA die grinder because I knew my compressor was too weak to run a die grinder... Now turns out I should have waited a week and threw that $200 towards a new compressor, but I digress. I have been looking at some 30 gal units in the neighborhood of 6cfm @90 psi. Both Lowes and HD have ones that would fit the bill and should be quieter, and about 150% the output of my old Husky for under $600. I like that these can run off 110v and are still portable while being bigger than what I have... My only concern is about future proofing. I'd like to have the ability to do some light grinding, or potentially get a small plasma cutter in the future as I've recently picked up welding as a hobby. I know I don't need a big 80gal stationary compressor, but TSC does have some nice 60gal units from Dewalt or IR for $700-800 that would likely fit the bill. My concern with these would be the noise. Neither are supposed to be nearly as quiet as the smaller ones and I'm not sure how loud they are or that I absolutely need a 60gal.
I would also have to run a 240v line from my breaker box. I have just enough room for a double breaker, but that would max out my box and likely lead to needing to upgrade sooner rather than later.

Short version: I need a hobby garage air compressor capable of running tools typically used in automotive, woodworking, or metalworking. It won't be used all the time, but I tend to use my tools heavily when I do use them so I prefer not to just get junk. Should I upgrade to a larger 30gal portable or 60gal stationary? Or should I consider something else?
 
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If noise is an issue then make sure whatever you get is oil lubricated. Oil-less compressors are notorious for the noise they make. I have a cheap Husky 60 gallon 3.7hp compressor. Yes it is made from chineseum, but it does everything I ask of it as a fairly avid hobbiest. I've had it for a couple of years now and paid just over $500 for it on sale. I have a friend that has one in his professional auto shop and it works there too.
 

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If you need portable, there are a few 3hp/10cfm machines out there that plug into a 6-20R receptacle (speedaire and Campbell hausfeld come to mind). 20 gal tank tho. Nothing says you can't marry up the old comp tank for extra reserve.
 
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If noise is an issue then make sure whatever you get is oil lubricated. Oil-less compressors are notorious for the noise they make. I have a cheap Husky 60 gallon 3.7hp compressor. Yes it is made from chineseum, but it does everything I ask of it as a fairly avid hobbiest. I've had it for a couple of years now and paid just over $500 for it on sale. I have a friend that has one in his professional auto shop and it works there too.
I only been looking at belt driven, oil lubed machines. I know there is a new class of oil free, direct drive that are super quiet, but for the most part they are all around the same capacity of what I have unless I want to spend thousands. Quiet is important, but I'm also thinking for my use I don't need a $3-5k compressor. Under $1k should do fine I would hope.

If you need portable, there are a few 3hp/10cfm machines out there that plug into a 6-20R receptacle (speedaire and Campbell hausfeld come to mind). 20 gal tank tho. Nothing says you can't marry up the old comp tank for extra reserve.
Portable isn't really necessary, but could have some advantages in getting it home... But thinking about it, even when I've needed to use my trim nailer I just ran 150' air hose from the garage to the house instead of wheeling my compressor to into the house. I think how loud my current machine is was a factor, but I've got air hoses to reach, and I'm not sure I have run the compressor anywhere other than where it currently sits in the last 3 years so I don't need portable.
 

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That looks like a twenty minute repair if you have to fabricate a new line, and five minutes if it’s available as a service part.

I would put the money towards new cordless tools and use the air only for blowing and the undercoating.

I didn’t see sandblasting on your list, and with the new battery tools available, one of the beltless silent compressors would work.
 
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I could see getting a small blast cabinet in the future if I had a compressor that could handle it. What might be more useful would be the ability to Walnut blast intakes on vehicles. I've had a few Subarus with the newer FA direct injection engines and Walnut blasting is common due to buildup. Now that I think of it, I know I've seen kits before. I'll have to look at recommended compressor CFM for this task.
 

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At least to some degree noise can be handled via changing the air intake on the compressor. A lot of noise is coming out of the intake. I have a belt drive, compressor similar to what you are asking for. I saw, per my phone app, a ~8db reduction in noise when I changed from an open filter element to a rather simple DIY intake. If you look at something like the Eaton quiet compressors you will see that most of what they do is just attach a muffler system to the air intakes.

I bought this air filter
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0195UWZUI/?tag=atomicindus08-20 and slipped about 16" of vinyl tubing to the intake. Together (and the tubing is important) that did a nice job of cutting the noise levels down. It's not as quiet as my CAT 1052 but it's quiet usable even working right next to the machine. Mine is something like this but without the PVC stuff at the end.
 

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OP, if quiet is a priority, check out these posts from a my thread. This is the eastwood scroll compressor. It is super quiet, and at 3.5 HP it runs my air tools just fine. I'm using it almost exclusively for grinding.

 

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I have a compressor with the same line setup it popped out so I took off the fitting slid the line on and rapped the detent with Teflon tape to get though the job, that was 15 years ago still holding. They are loud, good enough reason to update to a low speed piston one.
 

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Figure out your future needs before you buy. If you do get a small blasting cabinet you'd need that 60 gallon compressor but if that's all you'd be getting it for plus the hassle of running 240 to it you'd be better off with something else. Plus it's a hassle to fill a big compressor for small stuff which is why I have a small 5gallon that sees a lot more use.
If your current compressor is oil less getting one that uses oil would be a bit quieter but no matter what you get it'll be loud. It's the nature of the beast.
That pipe on your current one could easily be fixed with a compression fitting.
 

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If noise is an issue then make sure whatever you get is oil lubricated. Oil-less compressors are notorious for the noise they make. I have a cheap Husky 60 gallon 3.7hp compressor. Yes it is made from chineseum, but it does everything I ask of it as a fairly avid hobbiest. I've had it for a couple of years now and paid just over $500 for it on sale. I have a friend that has one in his professional auto shop and it works there too.
The quietest compressors (without spending a ton of money) are oil free. Just need to get the right one. CAT is one brand, others are selling similar designs. Downside is that they are more expensive and generally smaller.
 
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Figure out your future needs before you buy. If you do get a small blasting cabinet you'd need that 60 gallon compressor but if that's all you'd be getting it for plus the hassle of running 240 to it you'd be better off with something else. Plus it's a hassle to fill a big compressor for small stuff which is why I have a small 5gallon that sees a lot more use.
If your current compressor is oil less getting one that uses oil would be a bit quieter but no matter what you get it'll be loud. It's the nature of the beast.
That pipe on your current one could easily be fixed with a compression fitting.
What do you mean pain to fill it? You never empty it. Mine hasn't been empty since the first day I bought it. Install a ball valve right off the outlet, drain the water once a month and turn it off. Air is ready whenever you are.
 

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Eastwood. Just north of $2K when I ordered it in May of this year. I think it has gone up a bit. TBH If I had the space I would have bought a 5 or 7.5HP piston compressor such as polar aire, but I was short on space and this one fit perfectly. I had concerns about it producing enough flow to run the air tools I have, but it does OK.

I don't know which scroll compressor that is, but I did notice you didn't mention the price.
 

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Eastwood. Just north of $2K when I ordered it in May of this year. I think it has gone up a bit. TBH If I had the space I would have bought a 5 or 7.5HP piston compressor such as polar aire, but I was short on space and this one fit perfectly. I had concerns about it producing enough flow to run the air tools I have, but it does OK.
Eastwood is what I suspected, but the OP was looking at compressors under $600 what relevance does a compressor that is over $2,000 have to his question?
 

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please don't give me a GJ ticket thread police :)

It can't hurt to see what options are out there. and the guy upthread who said noise was the nature of the beast needed a counterpoint.
 

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Eastwood is what I suspected, but the OP was looking at compressors under $600 what relevance does a compressor that is over $2,000 have to his question?
He didn't say under $600 was the budget. No limit was stated other than thinking $1k should get it done.

If I was willing to spend a grand and could get something as quiet as that Eastwood for $2k when noise is the main concern, I'd probably try to find a way to make it work
 

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please don't give me a GJ ticket thread police :)

It can't hurt to see what options are out there. and the guy upthread who said noise was the nature of the beast needed a counterpoint.
You're right it is good to know options but I don't think he was looking at buying a compressor in that price range even if it is quiet when he was looking at ones from home depot for under $600. For that kind of price jump most people either live with the noise or build an enclosure around it.
 
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Concerning noise, two common options are:

Smaller 2-30 gallon units that are direct drive electric motors, nearly silent (not to be confused with "oilless" pancakes style which are the worst offenders)
good common examples are- California Air Technology CAT, Harbor Freights Silent series, Kobalt Quiet Tech, and a few others. > $150-1000

Larger gallon/cfm units that run LOW RPMS (like 800rpms or less from a 5-7.5hp motor)

good common examples are- Champion, Kellog, Curtis, Quincy, and Salyor Bell > $1500-4000


Price is the biggest difference, but those larger units listed are a lifetime purchase.
 
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so, I'm not sure budget is absolutely set. I'd have to talk to my wife before spending north of $1k. I had been looking at the sub $1k as I know I can get an IR or several other 60gal for under a grand, and I could get a 30gal for about $600.

An added bonus would be sold at TSC as they would deliver free so I wouldn't have to figure out a way to get it out of the bed of my truck. Of course this wouldn't have to be the case and anything I ordered online could be dropped in my driveway and I could move it the rest of the way easily enough.

I do like the idea of one that is nearly silent, I'll have to do a bit more research. I have seen the Eastwood one before and thought, that would be nice, but why spend so much when a larger capacity one could be had for less. Is there any specific low rpm units to look at first? It seems most of the 60gal ones under $1k are still going to be pretty loud, but would run less frequently, so that would at least help, but not solve the problem.
 

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I was using my CAT 5510 while I was replacing the tank on my larger, belt drive compressor. The low 2.3 cfm wasn't nearly as hard to live with as I might have thought (almost exclusively, impact wrench, blow gun, tire inflation) because it just wasn't unpleasant to be near the thing when it actually did kick on. Contrast that with my Emglo roofing compressor. I was really glad it only took 20 seconds to refresh since that was a loud 20 seconds.

Thanks to the intake muffler on my belt drive compressor it's not bad. Not as quiet as the CAT but well into tolerable. Now that I have the bigger compressor up and running the CAT isn't getting used.
 

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Too-bad you're not somewhere near south FL because I'd give you contact info for my long-time acquaintance who runs a sales and repair compressor shop. I bought a 705-80 Saylor-Beall, used, with a new 240 V Baldor motor, for < 1/2 of what a new one goes.

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Looking at what CAT has I’m liking their 60040CAD. 60 gallon 10.6 CDM at 90 would probably be enough although lower than many other 60 gallon units. It looks to be priced about $1400-1500, but it comes with a regulator and filter as well as an auto drain setup. These are both things I was looking into and would need to purchase separately for most of the other 60 gallon units… effectively making the price difference smaller than I initially thought.

I see they also have the 20040CAD which has the same CDM ratings with a 20 gallon tank. It would run more frequently than the 60, but would take up less space. It’s under $1100 if I got the manual drain…

both would likely run anything I wanted adequately and be quiet. I’m going to have to think hard and look at the budget. Any others I should consider in this price range?
 

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I know I don't need a big 80gal stationary compressor, but TSC does have some nice 60gal units from Dewalt or IR for $700-800 that would likely fit the bill. My concern with these would be the noise. Neither are supposed to be nearly as quiet as the smaller ones and I'm not sure how loud they are or that I absolutely need a 60gal.






I looked for months for a decent used 80 gal high quality compressor and couldn't find one close enough to justify the drive. The DeWalt 60 gal came up for sale at TSC on Black Friday two years ago for $450 and I've been quite happy with it. I'm paranoid about any hearing loss but almost never put any protection on when it's running 14 feet away. The DeWalt is made by Sanborn and they get quite a bit more for what appears to be the same unit.







Sanborn 60 Gal.
 
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I looked for months for a decent used 80 gal high quality compressor and couldn't find one close enough to justify the drive. The DeWalt 60 gal came up for sale at TSC on Black Friday two years ago for $450 and I've been quite happy with it. I'm paranoid about any hearing loss but almost never put any protection on when it's running 14 feet away. The DeWalt is made by Sanborn and they get quite a bit more for what appears to be the same unit.







Sanborn 60 Gal.

how loud is the dewalt? It seems none of the 60gal+ ones really list dB ratings like the small ones do. All the “quiet” ones are 80gal and carry 80 gal prices. CAT has the 60 gallon 4hp that is quiet and then Eastwood has their scroll compressor for $2200. If a $600-1000 dewalt or IR would work with a simple intake mod I’ve been seeing would work that would be okay with me. I just don’t want to get one home and set up only to have it be just as loud as what I’ve had and unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be any way to tell before buying.
 

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Even if you see a dB rating, you really can't compare manufacturers as there is no standard for that measurement. Take it all with a grain of salt.
 
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I’m seeing quite a few machines don’t list RPM. The $680 dewalt 60gal shows 2000 rpm, which seems acceptable, but the ones I’m seeing that list low rpm like 1500ish are in the 1700-3k range like Eatan. Am I missing something?
I’m wondering if it might be better to get a 30gallon now and then save and get what I really want later just as this was not a planned purchase right now and I would have to run 230v hookup in addition to getting a 60 gallon compressor. By the time I add a decent regulator and filter combo and an automatic drain to the inexpensive IR or Dewalt I’m at $1k range before I even get it home or get the electrical hookups. I’m so torn with this right now because I don’t want to cheap out and end up unhappy…. But it’s just not a good time to drop some coin on what I’m seeing I want.
I’ve gotten by for quite some time with my super loud 4cfm unit and $500ish will get a nice silent 26gal at 4.5cfm or a 30gal belt driven at 5-6cfm. If I did this it would get me through the next couple years and I could watch sales and save. I’m wondering if this is the better route. Since I’ve been investing in the M12/M18 line I might not need a big compressor if I assume I’ll never get a blast cabinet.
 

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Any long term use for a portable one? I have a 4 gal Cat that is awesome for bring to the work, like when I am doing trim in the house or framing a shed. Maybe a smaller one for now to get back up and running then get the big one after some research
 
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That was a bit of what I was thinking in my post above. Looks like we posted about the same time.

looks like husky and craftsman have a 30 gal unit rated at 6.2 CDM at 90 for $570.
Dewalt has one rated at 5.3 for $550
HF has one for just under $400. It was low 5cfm rating.

Is there really a big differences between these units? Any of them would likely be a step up from my direct drive screaming Husky rated at 4cfm.
 

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I was thinking something you can carry. My cat weighs under 50 lbs.

I am thinking about a bigger one too and have my eye on the belt drive 175psi husky, I think the same as what you linked. It had the added benefit of being in stock locally.
 

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I was looking for a large quiet compressor for my garage when I found mine used. It's a speedaire 2 stage 5 hp 80 gallon.
Miles better and quieter than the 30 gallon craftsman I had.
I had to replace the magnetic starter and pressure switch. The head gasket and check valve were leaking so I replaced them but I'm about 725 all in.

It's basically a champion vrv5-8 with a 5hp baldor. I'm very happy with it. As for the space, yes it's big and tall but I don't feel like it's much bigger than the 30 gal I had in width.
I definitely can't move it around my house but a couple 50ft hoses solved that issue.

My old craftsman took 5 loud minutes to fill up. I think it was to around 150psi
This one also takes 5 minutes but to 175psi
I'm building/restoring my 69 mustang right now and this beast is working out great

I heard my neighbors wife across the street ask her husband "why did he get such a large compressor" when I first got it...... WHY NOT?
I was laughing quietly

I think its from 2008 but it works perfectly fine. If it ever went out I'll buy a similar new one for 2500 or whatever they go for
 
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I’m seeing quite a few machines don’t list RPM. The $680 dewalt 60gal shows 2000 rpm, which seems acceptable, but the ones I’m seeing that list low rpm like 1500ish are in the 1700-3k range like Eatan. Am I missing something?
I’m wondering if it might be better to get a 30gallon now and then save and get what I really want later just as this was not a planned purchase right now and I would have to run 230v hookup in addition to getting a 60 gallon compressor. By the time I add a decent regulator and filter combo and an automatic drain to the inexpensive IR or Dewalt I’m at $1k range before I even get it home or get the electrical hookups. I’m so torn with this right now because I don’t want to cheap out and end up unhappy…. But it’s just not a good time to drop some coin on what I’m seeing I want.
I’ve gotten by for quite some time with my super loud 4cfm unit and $500ish will get a nice silent 26gal at 4.5cfm or a 30gal belt driven at 5-6cfm. If I did this it would get me through the next couple years and I could watch sales and save. I’m wondering if this is the better route. Since I’ve been investing in the M12/M18 line I might not need a big compressor if I assume I’ll never get a blast cabinet.
OK, I'm going to throw out an off the wall alternative suggestion. Do you have a second 120V circuit for a second compressor? If yes, go to step 2. Else, end.

Step 2. Fix your current compressor.
Step 3. Get a second 120V compressor, ideally one that's not too loud and at least 4CFM. Additionally, it needs to have a max pressure similar to your current compressor. Verify the blow off valves have the same value and both are higher than the max pressure of either compressor.
Step 4. Make a cross over hose so you can connect the two compressor tanks.
Step 5. Use your chained compressor.

A relatively straight forward way to connect the compressors is to make a T fitting with two male and one female end. It's helpful if you put a ball valve at the base of each male fitting. Plug the thing into one compressor, run a hose from the other compressor. Open the valves and now you have an output with flow equal to more or less the two compressors added up.

If your garage has only one circuit you can put one of the compressors in the house (again on a separate circuit) then run a long hose to the garage.

Is this ideal? No. However, you are looking at perhaps $50 in parts + a second compressor. So call it under $300 and no need to add a 240V outlet. With such a setup ~10CFM is quite possible. This is a solution that works if only on occasion you need the extra flow or if you simply can't do a 240V setup. In your case it's also one that could "get you by" if you really only occasionally need the extra flow.
On the super cheap side of things, here is a Rigid pancake compressor (not quite) for $75. That would add 2.3CFM and is good for 150 psi (I'm just guessing your compressor is a 150 psi Husky).

Here is an 8 gallon quiet model for $190. It's also good for 150 psi but the 2.7cfm flow rate is low.

Else, I would get the 60 gallon, make an intake muffler or even a noise reducing box and call it good. I wouldn't get too hung up on RPM since motor speed doesn't always equal pump speed and pump speed doesn't always equal noise level.
 
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The two compressor idea is an interesting one.
This is I believe the compressor I have. I picked it up several years ago on BF.

175psi 4.0 CFM @90psi. Loud as can be oilless


I do have multiple 120v circuits in my garage and I recently added a 240v circuit for my welder. I have room in my plane to add one more 240v circuit or two 120v ones. At some point I will need to upgrade to a larger service panel, but that's another topic.

I actually have a second compressor setup that came with my garage. It's an interesting setup. That appears to be a 120v compressor from a fridge or similar and an old gas/propane tank. There is no way to drain the water from the tank so I don't really use it. It does work for airing tires or light duty blow gun, and is quiet.
I've attached a picture of it.

OK, I'm going to throw out an off the wall alternative suggestion. Do you have a second 120V circuit for a second compressor? If yes, go to step 2. Else, end.

Step 2. Fix your current compressor.
Step 3. Get a second 120V compressor, ideally one that's not too loud and at least 4CFM. Additionally, it needs to have a max pressure similar to your current compressor. Verify the blow off valves have the same value and both are higher than the max pressure of either compressor.
Step 4. Make a cross over hose so you can connect the two compressor tanks.
Step 5. Use your chained compressor.

A relatively straight forward way to connect the compressors is to make a T fitting with two male and one female end. It's helpful if you put a ball valve at the base of each male fitting. Plug the thing into one compressor, run a hose from the other compressor. Open the valves and now you have an output with flow equal to more or less the two compressors added up.

If your garage has only one circuit you can put one of the compressors in the house (again on a separate circuit) then run a long hose to the garage.

Is this ideal? No. However, you are looking at perhaps $50 in parts + a second compressor. So call it under $300 and no need to add a 240V outlet. With such a setup ~10CFM is quite possible. This is a solution that works if only on occasion you need the extra flow or if you simply can't do a 240V setup. In your case it's also one that could "get you by" if you really only occasionally need the extra flow.
On the super cheap side of things, here is a Rigid pancake compressor (not quite) for $75. That would add 2.3CFM and is good for 150 psi (I'm just guessing your compressor is a 150 psi Husky).

Here is an 8 gallon quiet model for $190. It's also good for 150 psi but the 2.7cfm flow rate is low.

Else, I would get the 60 gallon, make an intake muffler or even a noise reducing box and call it good. I wouldn't get too hung up on RPM since motor speed doesn't always equal pump speed and pump speed doesn't always equal noise level.
 

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I'm going to talk with my wife this weekend about budget. I'm thinking I'll hold off on the 60 gal for now just due to price as I remembered I was going to buy a new set of wheels or tires this month.

Anyway, I was looking at what Napa has and I think this Napa compressor is the same Quincy that is often talked about in other threads. Both made by Atlas Copco and 7.4acfm @ 90 psi. Except the Napa version is grey instead of blue and is $450 instead of $700.
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Even thought I have a belt drive 120v like you are looking at I find them hard to recommend because 60 gallon 240v models are all but the same price.

I think the HF quiet compressor it's worth a look. It's flow isn't that great but if you fix your current compressor and T them together you would have 8+ cfm when you need it or a quiet 4 cfm the rest of the time.
 
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