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I ordered a can through Westlake Hardware. It’s pretty close to the sun color.
Our local Ace Hardware stores are out. Looks like there are supply issues from Rustoleum too.
Got a message from Mark Saunders and he said Hammerite light blue is a good match, but has been discontinued. I suppose one could check with their local paint supplier to see if something could be custom made.
 
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Was channel surfing a few days ago. Landed on an old Dean Martin flick, "The Silencers" (1966). I'm always scanning the background in old movies to check out the cars and props. There it was, a Sun Master Motor Tester. I have been wanting to paint my base cabinet silver/grey and there was my provenance from 1966. I quickly backed it up and recorded the scene. Later research led to this link. Enjoy. https://scvhistory.com/scvhistory/lw3615.htm
 
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Couldn't pass this one up at $20. (Not working). Got it home and found that a circuit board had become partially dislodged. Pushed it back into place and she lit up. Came with the pickups/cables and the timing light. I'm building the volts/ohms lead from scratch but not sure about the amps lead. This is a Micro 1. Seems to be identical to the Sleuth 1. Anyone else out there with one of these, please post info/pics of the amps hook up?? I think it's a single wire to an alligator clip. Looking at the receptacle there are only 3 pins.
 

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New member here. Was reminiscing about my early career working at Sun Electric at their Harlem & Avondale engineering facility (1978-84) when I stumbled on this forum and thread. Had to join. Started at Sun when they did R&D in a small facility nearby in Niles, IL, and I worked on their VAT-60 development, moving on to specialize in exhaust gas analysis (state I&M equipment such as their Inspector), and an internal low-cost IR bench design that could be used in lieu of more expensive units from IR Industries and Sensors, Inc. for exhaust analysis. From there I went to Alltest, Inc., a startup in Palatine, IL that provided small hand-held micro-controlled automotive diagnostic equipment (remember Brainmaster scan tool?) I designed a 4-gas exhaust analysis module (HC, CO, CO2, O2) sold as an optional add-on for their Alltest Advantage engine analyzer. From there moved to CA with the owner of Alltest when he sold it to start-up Alldata, provider of aftermarket automotive repair information (still going strong as a subsidiary of Autozone since they purchased it in ‘96). Left the automotive aftermarket in 2001, and through a circuitous route am now in IT management at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital in Memphis.

Have been wrenching on cars, though, since I was 15. Still own a Sun 1018 engine analyzer, which was a prototype 1011 with digital displays instead of meter movements that I saved from the crusher. I’m certain that it’s the only one in existence because they never went into production. Still works well, and use it when working on my son’s ‘69 Chevy 10 pickup. Have a full set of original schematics, and several spare boards (all electronics identical to the 1011 except for the digital display boards). It’s resting on a cabinet that sold with the 2001 Diagnostic Computer, their first fully microprocessor controlled analyzer, which was under development while I was there.

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New member here. Was reminiscing about my early career working at Sun Electric at their Harlem & Avondale engineering facility (1978-84) when I stumbled on this forum and thread. Had to join. Started at Sun when they did R&D in a small facility nearby in Niles, IL, and I worked on their VAT-60 development, moving on to specialize in exhaust gas analysis (state I&M equipment such as their Inspector), and an internal low-cost IR bench design that could be used in lieu of more expensive units from IR Industries and Sensors, Inc. for exhaust analysis. From there I went to Alltest, Inc., a startup in Palatine, IL that provided small hand-held micro-controlled automotive diagnostic equipment (remember Brainmaster scan tool?) I designed a 4-gas exhaust analysis module (HC, CO, CO2, O2) sold as an optional add-on for their Alltest Advantage engine analyzer. From there moved to CA with the owner of Alltest when he sold it to start-up Alldata, provider of aftermarket automotive repair information (still going strong as a subsidiary of Autozone since they purchased it in ‘96). Left the automotive aftermarket in 2001, and through a circuitous route am now in IT management at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital in Memphis.

Have been wrenching on cars, though, since I was 15. Still own a Sun 1018 engine analyzer, which was a prototype 1011 with digital displays instead of meter movements that I saved from the crusher. I’m certain that it’s the only one in existence because they never went into production. Still works well, and use it when working on my son’s ‘69 Chevy 10 pickup. Have a full set of original schematics, and several spare boards (all electronics identical to the 1011 except for the digital display boards). It’s resting on a cabinet that sold with the 2001 Diagnostic Computer, their first fully microprocessor controlled analyzer, which was under development while I was there.

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Hi and welcome! Now that 1018 is about the coolest Sun gear around - a working factory prototype that was never produced. Very cool - thanks for saving it and sharing it with us!

It would be great to read any stories you might be willing to share about your time at Sun.
 

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Hi and welcome! Now that 1018 is about the coolest Sun gear around - a working factory prototype that was never produced. Very cool - thanks for saving it and sharing it with us!

It would be great to read any stories you might be willing to share about your time at Sun.
It might be of some interest to you to know that, although the bulk of the manufacturing was taking place at their much larger Crystal Lake facilities, some light manufacturing was still occurring at Harlem and Avondale (the repurposed building is still there, and can be seen in Google Street View). Along the length of the second floor facing the windows on Avondale were a series of rooms where high quality meter movements were still being made, even in the late 70s. I remember walking down that hall and observing through the glass the many women with their eye loops and magnifying lamps working away. Many of the movements were for avionics, I believe. Here is an example of what they were making:
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Good story! I knew people there, but they were in sales or accounting.
Did you know Jesse Waggoner? I think he was a tech or instructor there.
 

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Good story! I knew people there, but they were in sales or accounting.
Did you know Jesse Waggoner? I think he was a tech or instructor there.
The name is definitely familiar. Didn’t work directly with him. They had a pretty big tech pool that I worked with, wiring proto boards and stuff.

Being a car guy, I really enjoyed the engineering/development phases that involved working with the new or updated product in the clinic on vehicles. Sun had a fully outfitted and staffed multi-bay vehicle clinic on the West side of the building. Exercising the equipment on running cars over a range of test conditions was a lot of fun. And the techs/mechanics that worked there were the cream-of-the crop experience and depth-wise. They were also snarky characters and just fun to be with, and we shared a lot of our hobby car activities off hours (had both a ‘70 and ‘67 GTO convertible during those years, both often in the bay as test subjects). Have kept in touch with some after all these years.
 

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Now that we're going down memory lane, slightly off topic, anyone remember the Champion mail outs called "At Your Service"? Probably from the 60's or earlier.
 

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I picked up a couple of pieces while I was getting a replacement part for my distributor tester. This has caused me to poke around the forums again and take a quick inventory of some of my pieces. Thought I’d post em here for grins.

Distributor tester. Not sure where my leads are.
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great pic of my vacuum tester.
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Tried to take pics of them in the hard to access overhead cabinet.
volts ignition tester
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A second electronic distributor tester.
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tach dwell meter
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combustion efficiency tester
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A tach dwell and Volts amps tester
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rectifier diode ohms
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Volts and Temprature.
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Military issue x-48 which is basically a timing light.
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That’s all for now...
 

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Thanks for the links! I worked in auto repair for over 30 years beginning in the late 60s at dealerships and later private garages. I've always had a great affinity towards the 'Big Box' scopes. An interesting note and why you don't see a modern version was that they were most useful for diagnosing mechanical problems with the engine (oscilloscopes). This started with the kensington ignition system and then included not just spark timing but valve timing, cam/distributer wear, timing chains, rod knock, detonation... The other interesting note is that they were slow - compared to my electronic scopes. Todays sensors and auto computer operate in the megahertz range correcting and adjusting to achieve efficiency and low emissions compared to the old systems that relied on mechanical operation and plodded along in the kilohertz range. Yesteryear was fun but everything runs longer, and wears better today.
 

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I'd been trying find a close match to the late 50's blue paint. Rustoleum hammered light blue that some here have mentioned is banned in Canada due to the vapors. So couple of weeks ago took my back panel from the Motor Tester down to Lordco to have the surviving inside paint scanned. The result: Saab 2007-9 code 304 Ice Blue metallic. I had some mixed up and am very happy with how it turned out. Just say'in incase anyone is doing a restoration.
 

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Starting in the '60s (I believe) the unit serial numbers started with two numbers, and possibly a letter. For instance, the unit serial numbers in my 947's components start with "27" and "37". My understanding is that those numbers show the month, and the last digit of the year of manufacture. Inside the machine, I found "inspected by" stamps that show the year 1977. I also have a model 600 distributor machine that starts with "22", and it shows up in a 1961 catalog. A letter after these numbers indicates a revision as running changes were made.

My Master Motor Tester is, I am fairly sure from catalog entries I have seen, from around 1958. It does not have these leading digits in the serial number. I have a few pieces from the 1940's, and I found late 1940's dates stamped on the components inside. I also found them listed by model number in a 1946 catalog that I have.

I can find no model/serial tags on the two small cabinets I have. The big one on the 947 has a tag, but it is mangled and unreadable. I have two styles of small cabinet as you can see in the pics. One with the two vertical chrome handles on the front, and another with horizontal handles on the short sides of the cabinet. I have no idea what dates those are from. I don't believe the one under my distributor machine is correct for 1962 though.

Post some pics of your gear if you can.

I am also north of DFW. Will send PM shortly....

HTH!
My ancient "motor tester" is the same as your 6a pic. I rescued it from a long gone VW garage in Lorena ages ago. The base cabinet I found in a junk store in irving. Aubrey is not far at all from me, Argyle (I seem to live at work).
 

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Will this get me into the 'Sun' club? A model O list tester from the later 40's? Hope it works......

Mike
 

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Will this get me into the 'Sun' club? A model O list tester from the later 40's? Hope it works......

Mike
Nice thing about the early dwell/tachs is they operate on regular 1.5V batteries. Later models used now obsolete 1.35V Hg bats. Later still, 9V. You should be able to see if it operates by putting in the batteries and turning it to "calibrate".
 

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Will this get me into the 'Sun' club? A model O list tester from the later 40's? Hope it works......

Mike
Welcome Mike! I've never seen a distributor machine with an instrument panel like that before. I have a Sun catalog from around 1946, and the distributor machine in it has the instruments on the sides. Have you looked inside to see if there are any dates on the components? I have to wonder if that isn't pre-war. That is a real find in any event in my mind, even more so if pre-war.
 

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Got some more info. Looks like I have two different machines (boy can I pick's). But they both look complete so will try and get them running. The top part 'the brains' apparently were made in 46, don't know about the bottom half. It even came with some tech data from 69/53! I started thread about it in the antique tool forum.

Mike
 

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I've never before seen a hand held dwell/tach combined with a vacuum tester. Those are such early examples that they were probably built to work as a pair prior to being unitized into one cabinet as they evolved into the later model distributor machines.
 

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What leads me to think that those units are related is the fact that the tachometer is labelled "Distributor RPM". And, as Odd Job said the only reason to have a vacuum pump is to test distributor vacuum advance units. The part that still puzzles me a bit is the bottom cabinet with the gaps on the sides. That doesn't look like something the factory would have done.

You might try giving Mark Saunders at Paramount Distributor Company a call or email him with a couple pics. If anyone will recognize that setup he will. Find him here:


Really nice fellow. I bought the parts to rebuild my 600 from him a year or two back.
 

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Mark has no idea about this machine. He is just as lost as everyone else. The reason I thought it was a Frankenstein machine were the different model numbers. As for the side being cut out, I still need to look closer to see why. I am beginning g to think that they were cut off for wires to go through easier than say a wire through a grommet. I will post pics of the work I do when I start sometime in the future. Right now I am still unpacking a house and garage.

Mike
 

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Ah yes, of course! "Distributor RPM", not a dwell/tach for typical tune-ups. Good catch bctexas.
Thanks for posting this find 1930artdeco. It gives everyone here a better glimpse into the early history of Sun Electric and keeps us looking. Also, very nice period correct equipment for folks with a vehicle from the era or for collectors of Sun testers.
 

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Who owns Sun now? Just wondering if they have records that go back that far?
Snap On bought them in 1992. The Crystal Lake IL facility is still there with Snap On signs in front.
Eventually the automotive stuff moved to Snap On Diagnostics in Lincolnshire IL.
Not sure if any equipment is being made using the Sun Electric name. I believe it is all Snap On.
Like most corporations, old stuff gets pitched, but some old-timers may have saved some info.
Literature is easy to find , but service manuals are hard to come by since corporate and the branch offices had those.
 

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Getting a 404 Not Found. Sold?
Sorry was in a hurry (at work) trying to post a photo of the VAT20 that I picked up at an industrial auction for $13 in the condition at the sale.
 

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Snap On bought them in 1992. The Crystal Lake IL facility is still there with Snap On signs in front.
Eventually the automotive stuff moved to Snap On Diagnostics in Lincolnshire IL.
Not sure if any equipment is being made using the Sun Electric name. I believe it is all Snap On.
Like most corporations, old stuff gets pitched, but some old-timers may have saved some info.
Literature is easy to find , but service manuals are hard to come by since corporate and the branch offices had those.
 

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