Laser rust removal and welder?

[ng8264723]

I am thinking of buying a Laser rust removal machine. Yes they are expensive but they remove rust and pant and debri and make the surface ready for paint. I was looking on the Alibaba website and they run 6-9K for a 1000Watt unit. I found one on Amazon that also does welding. I currently have two mig welders and a tig as well as an old buzz box. This laser welding sems cool but if you look at the welds there is no HAZ. Here is a linkl

JPT Laser Welder 1000W JPT Handheld Fiber Laser Welding Machine with Auto Wire Feeder for metal steel,CS, SS, Aluminum - - Amazon.com

JPT Laser Welder 1000W JPT Handheld Fiber Laser Welding Machine with Auto Wire Feeder for metal steel,CS, SS, Aluminum - - Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

 

[ambenz]

Like this....?

 

[ng8264723]

Yes. They also remove paint!

 

[WWheeler]

That's crazy. It doesn't even get the metal hot. They're holding it with bare hands.

 

[ng8264723]

I wonder how strong the welds are?

 

[ng8264723]

The Alibaba machines can be had shipped to your door for around 7500. For that prices they do not weld though

 

[zendriver]

I've seen videos of them used to remove paint from steel bridge supports. Quicker cleaner than sand blasting.

Thought about it making a good side business.

 

[ng8264723]

I have a Zero blast cabinet. I wonder if this would render it useless?

 

[ZRX61]

I am thinking of buying a Laser rust removal machine. Yes they are expensive but they remove rust and pant and debri and make the surface ready for paint. I was looking on the Alibaba website and they run 6-9K for a 1000Watt unit. I found one on Amazon that also does welding. I currently have two mig welders and a tig as well as an old buzz box. This laser welding sems cool but if you look at the welds there is no HAZ. Here is a linkl

JPT Laser Welder 1000W JPT Handheld Fiber Laser Welding Machine with Auto Wire Feeder for metal steel,CS, SS, Aluminum - - Amazon.com

JPT Laser Welder 1000W JPT Handheld Fiber Laser Welding Machine with Auto Wire Feeder for metal steel,CS, SS, Aluminum - - Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Probably a bit mickey mouse at that price, the pro set ups start around $50K & go up to $500K....

P-laser Industrial laser cleaning

P-Laser specializes in the production of industrial laser cleaning systems.

www.p-laser.com

lasertronics.com — Laser Paint Stripping, Laser Cleaning and Coating Removal Solutions

Laser Paint Stripping, Laser Cleaning and Coating Removal Solutions

www.lasertronics.com

 

[ng8264723]

So no one has any real knowledge?

 

[Jswain]

According to this video the cheapest 1000w unit capable of the performance you see in the video starts at $500,000....so I'd be curious about the specs of the "1000w" unit for $7500

Usually when something sounds too good to be true it is

 

[ZRX61]

So no one has any real knowledge?

USAF has been using laser paint removal on C17's at Travis AFB. Also, one was loaned to the IWM at Duxford in the UK to strip a Victor bomber. Sheet metal looked new, not 50+ years old.

 

[Jswain]

I'd also seriously wonder if that thing could weld 8mm. If I was showing off a super powerful laser Id show off that **** at 8mm not some aluminum foil looking sheet.

 

[scooby074]

delete

 

[WWheeler]

According to this video the cheapest 1000w unit capable of the performance you see in the video starts at $500,000....so I'd be curious about the specs of the "1000w" unit for $7500

Well, at the end of that vid he does explain that it was new and gave his thoughts on the price coming down soon. He says "I recall in the eighties that computer CD writer drives were selling for $50,000 and just a few years later that we were installing them in PCs for under a thousand, so give it a few years and I bet you'll be seeing these in your local hardware stores for Father's Day". And since that vid was in 2018, 4-1/2 years ago, and Father's Day is coming up, so ...

 

[Jswain]

Well, at the end of that vid he does explain that it was new and gave his thoughts on the price coming down soon. He says "I recall in the eighties that computer CD writer drives were selling for $50,000 and just a few years later that we were installing them in PCs for under a thousand, so give it a few years and I bet you'll be seeing these in your local hardware stores for Father's Day". And since that vid was in 2017, 5 years ago, and Father's Day is coming up, so ...

Make sure you post up your review when you get yours!!

 

[WWheeler]

Make sure you post up your review when you get yours!!

If I had it right now to gamble with I would, but until a few guinea pigs go first and give some credible reviews that's what it will be is a gamble. I'm definitely interested in it though.

 

[Jswain]

Need to convince a YouTube channel to buy one and put it to the test, flashy title million views laser paid off...

 

[WWheeler]

this one is just over $7000 on alibaba and it looks like it will do the job

Powerlase Limited | High Power Lasers for Laser Cleaning, Surface Preparation & More

We are innovators in the high power laser industry and offer the fastest and lowest cost laser cleaning and surface preparation systems on the market.

www.powerlase-limited.com

This product is no longer available.

This product is no longer available.

www.alibaba.com

 

[ng8264723]

I am looking at the welding and cleaning machine now. I will definitely buy one. I am just not sure which. I have looked all over the net. I think the machines are all basically the same but relabeled. The welding looks really cool. I am hoping it will work on sheet metal. I can use my mig tig on heavy gauge but the laser welding looks neat. The machine also removed paint from concrete and wood but I am skeptical on the wood. The wood can burn with a bigger laser. They use 100 watt on wood.

 

[zendriver]

I am looking at the welding and cleaning machine now. I will definitely buy one. I am just not sure which. I have looked all over the net. I think the machines are all basically the same but relabeled. The welding looks really cool. I am hoping it will work on sheet metal. I can use my mig tig on heavy gauge but the laser welding looks neat. The machine also removed paint from concrete and wood but I am skeptical on the wood. The wood can burn with a bigger laser. They use 100 watt on wood.

I think laser paint removing systems can tuned to the color of the material to be removed and not effecting anything else. (true of many lasers in general)

This show it in action on wood.

 

[scooby074]

If its not P-Laser I wouldnt touch it IMHO. Theyre the leaders in this tech. Definitely wouldnt trust the Chinese to the tune of $7500. I couldnt find a single independant review on the Alibaba machines. A 50w P-laser would run $53,000 back in 2016.

"As such, it’s very expensive: P-Laser told us that a low-power QF-50, with only 50 watts of muscle, costs €47,800, or more than $53,000 at today’s exchange rate." https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346229/this-hand-held-laser-makes-rust-literally-evaporate/

 

[MacMcMacmac]

"I Just Bought The Cheapest Laser Welder On Amazon. Does It Weld?"

 

[zendriver]

Here we are, almost 1/4 of the way through the 21st century and we are still telling ourselves that something can't possibly be good, if it's not expensive.

Of that $53 grand laser paint removal system, how much of it is price markup?

 

[LXCam]

Here we are, almost 1/4 of the way through the 21st century and we are still telling ourselves that something can't possibly be good, if it's not expensive.

Of that $53 grand laser paint removal system, how much of it is price markup?

I once had a guy tell me it wasn’t acceptable I charge as much as I do for one of my products as my material and labor costs should be X. He asks are you trying to recover your R&D cost to which I replied......damn fn right plus my patent app costs are amortized in as well. You don’t like the cost, don’t buy it.

I don’t know the history of this magical device. But if this is the company that brought it to market, let them eat cake.

 

[zendriver]

I once had a guy tell me it wasn’t acceptable I charge as much as I do for one of my products as my material and labor costs should be X. He asks are you trying to recover your R&D cost to which I replied......damn fn right plus my patent app costs are amortized in as well. You don’t like the cost, don’t buy it.

I don’t know the history of this magical device. But if this is the company that brought it to market, let them eat cake.

Understand and I don't have a problem with price markup, for the reasons you mentioned, just saying price is not an accurate reflection of quality, of any product.

 

[Jswain]

Here we are, almost 1/4 of the way through the 21st century and we are still telling ourselves that something can't possibly be good, if it's not expensive.

Of that $53 grand laser paint removal system, how much of it is price markup?

For $8000usd you could get a hell of a welding/rust paint removal setup currently, from companies you can trust.

If it truly went from $50,000 to $8,000 in 5 years, wait another 5 and if it continues to spiral downward in the same fashion it'll be a cool 500 dollhairs

 

[zendriver]

For $8000usd you could get a hell of a welding/rust paint removal setup currently, from companies you can trust.

If it truly went from $50,000 to $8,000 in 5 years, wait another 5 and if it continues to spiral downward in the same fashion it'll be a cool 500 dollhairs

I can remember when a business PC computer system was five grand. Now (30 years later) I can get one that is probably 100 times more powerful for under a grand.

Can remember when a laser printer was $15,000

Often that is just the way things go, technology gets better for a cheaper price.

Nothing new.

 

[Jswain]

I can remember when a business PC computer system was five grand. Now (30 years later) I can get one that is probably 100 times more powerful for under a grand.

Can remember when a laser printer was $15,000

Often that is just the way things go, technology gets better for a cheaper price.

Nothing new.

So why throw $8000 at the first to (consumer)market, based on a video that it welds sheet steel as thin as aluminum foil and nothing else

How many of the people you know have a computer in their house, or a printer?
How many of the people you know have a rust removing welding laser in their house?

I doubt the technology will move as quickly paced in the consumer market

Everything else has doubled in price except for lasers they are now going for 6% lol, we gonna have fricken lasers everywhere

 

[ng8264723]

Well I think I have narrowed it down. With Alibaba you do have some protection. They do not release the money until you receive the goods and it works. Even at 8K it is still expensive. Few have the need for a machine like this. I have sandblasters but I am getting older and would like an easier means of rust removal etc.
I have the money to try it. It won't kill me financially if it doesn;t work.
Still a gamble!

 

[zendriver]

So why throw $8000 at the first to (consumer)market, based on a video that it welds sheet steel as thin as aluminum foil and nothing else

How many of the people you know have a computer in their house, or a printer?
How many of the people you know have a rust removing welding laser in their house?

I doubt the technology will move as quickly paced in the consumer market

Everything else has doubled in price except for lasers they are now going for 6% lol, we gonna have fricken lasers everywhere

Whatever you doubt (or don't) is up to you.

Look at the drone market. A $900 model has most of the features and capabilities as a $13,000 model.

Maybe it's a scam maybe it isn't. Sound's like if they charged $15,000 folks might automatically assume it's the real deal.

 

[Jswain]

I was thinking quite the opposite, if it were $1500 it might be worth the risk.

$8000 for something that welds razor blades & removes light chemically made surface rust is about appealing as me taking the $8000 and dropping it into the firepit.

 

[scooby074]

I can remember when a business PC computer system was five grand. Now (30 years later) I can get one that is probably 100 times more powerful for under a grand.

Can remember when a laser printer was $15,000

Often that is just the way things go, technology gets better for a cheaper price.

Nothing new.

What's the market for PC's or cellphones or flat panel TVs vs the market for laser rust removal?

Millions of PCs/yr drove the price of computers to the level they are. The market for laser rust removal is what 5000 units/yr? Id be surprised if it wasnt half that number or less.

The chinese here have just cloned a machine from P Laser or Powerlase, just like they always do. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. If these import laser machines were any good (or popular for that matter) youd see tons of independent Youtube videos of them, I dont think I found a single one when I looked!

 

[Jswain]

That's about the only decent video I seen and it's results are not nearly as fast, or good as what you see on aliexpress. Looks like it really struggled with the paint too....

On YouTube when literally everyone asked for bend tests of the weld they show a video of them bending it the wrong way, not because they don't know how to do a bend test, but to deceive you into thinking it would actually pass a bend test

Same as it's ratings...1000w fiber laser, then you read into its specs and it's a 50w or 100w with "the power of 1000w". So what are you actually buying?

The one part that has heavy rust is definitely not a "ready to paint" surface...that **** still needs to be blasted lol. If I want to remove light *** surface rust I'll hit it with a wire wheel for 30 seconds or even better 50 cents worth of citric acid overnight with 0 labor and it will look like new in the morning.

 

[scooby074]

Well I think I have narrowed it down. With Alibaba you do have some protection. They do not release the money until you receive the goods and it works. Even at 8K it is still expensive. Few have the need for a machine like this. I have sandblasters but I am getting older and would like an easier means of rust removal etc.
I have the money to try it. It won't kill me financially if it doesn;t work.
Still a gamble!

If you get a reliable machine it could be a lucritive little business. The person Im familiar with who bought one (a P Laser IIRC) is running this as his primary source of income, doing what seems to be a fair bit of business removing paint and coatings.

P-Laser actually makes a backpack model you can wear and clean at the same time. Pretty neat. And it makes you look like a Ghostbuster!



If you want to make life easier than traditional sandblasting yet still be somewhat conventional, look into Dry Ice blasting. I used to do it professionally. It lets you clean with minimal cleanup and you can do very delicate features without damage..

 

[LXCam]

Looks like it really struggled with the paint too....

On YouTube when literally everyone asked for bend tests of the weld they show a video of them bending it the wrong way, not because they don't know how to do a bend test, but to deceive you into thinking it would actually pass a bend test

Same as it's ratings...1000w fiber laser, then you read into its specs and it's a 50w or 100w with "the power of 1000w". So what are you actually buying?

The one part that has heavy rust is definitely not a "ready to paint" surface...that **** still needs to be blasted lol. If I want to remove light *** surface rust I'll hit it with a wire wheel for 30 seconds or even better 50 cents worth of citric acid overnight with 0 labor and it will look like new in the morning.

I don't think that red bracket was paint, but powder coat. And if it was powder coat......DANG!. If you've had to strip a properly coated part its a sumbitch. The blue sheet metal did look like paint.

The one operator error I noticed was his vectoring of the beam reminded me of the definition of insanity. He kept going over the same area at the same angle and I assume expecting it to cure the cancer on the shaded side.

The more I watch these videos, the more I want one.

 

[Jswain]

I don't think that red bracket was paint, but powder coat. And if it was powder coat......DANG!. If you've had to strip a properly coated part its a sumbitch. The blue sheet metal did look like paint.

The one operator error I noticed was his vectoring of the beam reminded me of the definition of insanity. He kept going over the same area at the same angle and I assume expecting it to cure the cancer on the shaded side.

The more I watch these videos, the more I want one.

That units ONLY 15,000usd shipped, get two and let us know how amazing they are.

 

[zendriver]

What's the market for PC's or cellphones or flat panel TVs vs the market for laser rust removal?

Millions of PCs/yr drove the price of computers to the level they are. The market for laser rust removal is what 5000 units/yr? Id be surprised if it wasnt half that number or less.

The chinese here have just cloned a machine from P Laser or Powerlase, just like they always do. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. If these import laser machines were any good (or popular for that matter) youd see tons of independent Youtube videos of them, I dont think I found a single one when I looked!

Here's one for ten grand.

Fake company?

SFX 1000watt JPT Fiber Laser Cleaning Machine Laser Rust/Painting/Oil Removal with High Quality Laser Gun

The 1000w JPT laser cleaning machine has many advantages such as portable and light weight, flexible and adjustable parameters, wireless control, etc., which can efficiently remove rust, stains, and oil on the surface of the workpiece., Plating, etc..

www.sfxlyxc.com

 

[ng8264723]

I think all the machines are the same. They have different labels on them but are basicallly the same maufactorer

 

[Bubba Fett]

I wonder if it would be possible to build your own. Why have a 1000w laser when you could have a 400,000,000w laser. Muhahahaha.