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The Ultimate Tool Set? Grainger Seems to Think So?

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Want a master toolset from Proto? Grainger will sell you one. It's got a whopping 1,046 tools in it. Proto tools. You'll have to wait, though. A note on the Grainger web page says that shipment is expected by the end of January, 2023.

You could start saving up for it, though, right now. The price is $49,655.33.

Get yours before it sells out, eh?

Note: I have no connection to either Proto nor Grainger.
 
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My bil was a vp for grainger, there money is made with the government and military, they probably buy 90% of those sets.
I'm sure that's true. I just think it's funny. That set is far from being a complete set for, say, auto mechanics. Lots of missing stuff in it. Plus, current Proto tools are not top-of-the-line, although I'm sure they're quite good. You can get an equivalent Snap-On set for quite a bit less money, which makes the Grainger set something of a joke to me.

I'm sure you could duplicate the Proto set with Icon-grade tools from HF for well under $10,000. Quality would be just as good. BTW, the Grainger set includes a rolling toolbox, although there's no description of it.
 

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No one with a Grainger account pays the price listed on the web page. And the kind of accounts that would order a shadow boarded set like that order enough other stuff they are getting a huge price break.

The box included is probably a proto box as well, I got quotes on a couple of Proto boxes from MSC and the lead time was upto 10 weeks for the older style boxes. The new 560series could be delivered in 3-5.
 
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No one with a Grainger account pays the price listed on the web page. And the kind of accounts that would order a shadow boarded set like that order enough other stuff they are getting a huge price break.

The box included is probably a proto box as well, I got quotes on a couple of Proto boxes from MSC and the lead time was upto 10 weeks for the older style boxes. The new 560series could be delivered in 3-5.
That could be. I just find the pricing remarkable. And scary, really. I looked at the list of tools in that set, pretty carefully. It's not a remarkable tool list, really. A guy would need a lot of stuff that's not included. I just find it interesting. I know that the Snap-On buffs can build up tool sets into the six digits in cost. Many, in fact, do. I just don't see the mechanic's trade paying well enough to warrant that kind of investment, really. And I've been in that trade.
 

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That could be. I just find the pricing remarkable. And scary, really. I looked at the list of tools in that set, pretty carefully. It's not a remarkable tool list, really. A guy would need a lot of stuff that's not included. I just find it interesting. I know that the Snap-On buffs can build up tool sets into the six digits in cost. Many, in fact, do. I just don't see the mechanic's trade paying well enough to warrant that kind of investment, really. And I've been in that trade.
Most mechanics don't but from Grainger or MSC, which are industrial supply houses, that's a set for a maintenance guy who is likely to be working on machines and motors, not cars.
 
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Most mechanics don't but from Grainger or MSC, which are industrial supply houses, that's a set for a maintenance guy who is likely to be working on machines and motors, not cars.
Yeah, I know that. Still...$49,655.33? Seems excessive. So, maybe the government pays that much, but we pay for what the government buys, right?
 

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Yeah, I know that. Still...$49,655.33? Seems excessive. So, maybe the government pays that much, but we pay for what the government buys, right?
Grainger sells to industrial companies. That price is probably cut in half for a large account. I have a grainger account but dont order much from them so I pay full price. I use them if I need something special because they have almost anything you could need. Things like orings where I can measure them myself and order online and pick up in store.

When I worked for a large company with plants all over I ordered stuff from grainger all the time for projects. I would get the part numbers and call grainger to submit it under the company's account and they would send me an updated pricing sheet. I then had to send that into accounting to get it approved and then I could place the order. Prices were significantly lower then the advertised prices.

Grainger will sell to about anyone but if you dont buy enough to make it worth their while then you pay the high prices.
 

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Grainger's prices are high, but they usually get their stuff to your shipping/receiving department very quickly. Also, their list price is almost always higher than the contract price.

You don't have to order the entire kit in one go, and it's probably cheaper to order smaller kits or piece it together yourself (which is what I'd rather do) but if you need a whole set asap, then there's your answer.

Also, Proto tools are made to or exceed ANSI specifications. I don't care now nice Harbor Freight tools are, if they they don't meet the specs, then they shouldn't be bought. Saving money on cheap tools that end up failing can cause damage to equipment, or injury to workers. That can lead to litigation, which is more expensive in the long run.
 

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Yeah, I know that. Still...$49,655.33? Seems excessive. So, maybe the government pays that much, but we pay for what the government buys, right?
It has extensive 3/4 and 1" drive tools and sockets as well as the large wrenches. Its not as expensive as snap on would be more in those sizes.
 
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The one and only time I bought from Grainger, I picked up a Miller 180 Autoset welder with a cart for $400

Other than that, they can choke on their prices. We had one in town, but they closed up several years ago...

Most businesses order from Grainger...and some are contracted to. The company I work for buys A LOT from them...


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Yeah, I know that. Still...$49,655.33? Seems excessive. So, maybe the government pays that much, but we pay for what the government buys, right?
They likely don't pay that much. I work for a university at a non-profit robotics research and development center. We had several large government contracts a number of years ago, because of this we qualified for GSA pricing from Snap-On. The discount was approximately 50% off of retail price.
 

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Yeah, I know that. Still...$49,655.33? Seems excessive. So, maybe the government pays that much, but we pay for what the government buys, right?
The suit and tie guy sees the 50k price and applies his 45% discount and tells the guy in the shop how great a deal he got on the new top of the line tool set he bought for them................................ only up side is you can order replacements piece meal and have them delivered this afternoon.
 

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That set is aimed at the following consumer:

Buys through an industrial supplier who gives them net 60+ terms and usually good pricing. We see the list price on Grainger but if your procurement department is any good you are probably 2/3 that price.

Needs a set of reasonably complete tools for an area.

Needs it to be shadow boxed for control or inventory reasons or to make the kaizen Nazi happy.

Time is valuable enough that they aren't spending two days comparison shopping for hand tools. When one click gets them close enough.

Is likely in a facility where hand tool costs don't even move the meter on facility expenses.

In other words not the average user of this forum.
 

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I work in a large Michelin plant and we buy almost exclusively from grainger. We don’t even look at the price we just order it. I have a feeling there are plenty of other companies and agencies doing the exact same.
 
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Nobody has mentioned it yet, so I will. Grainger owns Zoro.com. If you’re buying stuff for personal use, Zoro has better prices and frequently provides discount codes by email for up to 20% off (maximum savings and brand exclusions apply). Zoro isn’t necessarily a better deal than other vendors, but it almost certainly beats its parent company, Grainger.
 

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I've had an account with Grainger for half a century. They were a great source for weird ****. Still not bad. I built my dumbwaiter control system out of their catalog.
 

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That set is aimed at the following consumer:

Buys through an industrial supplier who gives them net 60+ terms and usually good pricing. We see the list price on Grainger but if your procurement department is any good you are probably 2/3 that price.

Needs a set of reasonably complete tools for an area.

Needs it to be shadow boxed for control or inventory reasons or to make the kaizen Nazi happy.

Time is valuable enough that they aren't spending two days comparison shopping for hand tools. When one click gets them close enough.

Is likely in a facility where hand tool costs don't even move the meter on facility expenses.

In other words not the average user of this forum.
Exactly this. If you have an industrial mechanic or some other position that needs a total tool set RIGHT NOW, then this is the best option.

This is NOT for DIYers, or prosumers. This is for a business that needs tools, and time is more important than money.
 

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Nobody has mentioned it yet, so I will. Grainger owns Zoro.com. If you’re buying stuff for personal use, Zoro has better prices and frequently provides discount codes by email for up to 20% off (maximum savings and brand exclusions apply). Zoro isn’t necessarily a better deal than other vendors, but it almost certainly beats its parent company, Grainger.





Everyone has better prices than Grainger.
 

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I love how this thread is filling up with contrarians who point out that there’s a wholesale discount! And giant bureaucracies like the government or megacorporations NEED to order things quickly and unintelligently!
 
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I love how this thread is filling up with contrarians who point out that there’s a wholesale discount! And giant bureaucracies like the government or megacorporations NEED to order things quickly and unintelligently!
Yup. My real reason for posting the original post was the phenomenon of tool sets where the cost per tool ends up being over $40. For me, that makes no earthly sense at all, for many reasons.

Yes, there are people who take advantage of ignorance on the part of purchasing agents, most of whom have never held a hand tool. Government organizations and corporations fall into that category.

I don't care that Grainger offers a set like that at a price like that. What I care about is individuals for whom tools mean their livelihood. More and more are figuring out that tools that are priced way above their true value are not a good bargain, and that's a good thing, it seems to me.
 

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Individuals are not going to be ordering sets like that from Grainger in the first place. This set is NOT for them. They are free to assemble their own set any way they wish, but don't forget to take into account how much time that takes. Part of the price is that convenience.

Sometimes, the upfront cost is worth it if it gets mechanics and technicians working faster. You can always make more money, but you will NEVER make more time.

There are plenty of other industrial suppliers (MSC, Global Industrial, McMaster-Carr) as well as tool trucks, and of course there's Amazon and the retail stores.

This is Grainger's answer to "oh sh*t I need a whole set of tools and a cart to work on the new airplanes that are coming in, what do I do?"
 
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Individuals are not going to be ordering sets like that from Grainger in the first place. This set is NOT for them. They are free to assemble their own set any way they wish, but don't forget to take into account how much time that takes. Part of the price is that convenience.

Sometimes, the upfront cost is worth it if it gets mechanics and technicians working faster. You can always make more money, but you will NEVER make more time.

There are plenty of other industrial suppliers (MSC, Global Industrial, McMaster-Carr) as well as tool trucks, and of course there's Amazon and the retail stores.

This is Grainger's answer to "oh sh*t I need a whole set of tools and a cart to work on the new airplanes that are coming in, what do I do?"
You're right, of course, about individuals not buying that set. But, that's not my point, really. My point is about paying almost $50 per tool for a set like that. That makes no sense at all. Besides, that's not a set for airplane mechanics anyhow. Worse, since that set takes a couple of months, at least, to get to the company that orders it, it's not a last minute special.

I doubt that Grainger sells many, if any, of those master tool sets. Looks interesting in the catalog, though.
 

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When I worked at the Westinghouse R&D Center in my native Pittsburgh, PA I went to our purchasing department and told them I'd like to order Proto tools for myself. They set me up with Plant Service Company which was a Proto distributor in Pittsburgh. Jim Noone, their salesmen who serviced all Westinghouse accounts, gave me a 40% discount on any Proto that I wanted for myself which was Westinghouse's standard discount. Got me a fairly good hall of Proto back there in the 1970's.
 

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I'd be interested in knowing the comparison between orders for a single set and orders for multiple sets. I highly suspect multiples outnumber singles for all the reasons above. These are offered as an industrial commercial solution rather than someone stocking their personal tool collection.

And, in Proto's defense, they make excellent tools, for the most part. Everyone has their turds.
 
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I'd be interested in knowing the comparison between orders for a single set and orders for multiple sets. I highly suspect multiples outnumber singles for all the reasons above. These are offered as an industrial commercial solution rather than someone stocking their personal tool collection.

And, in Proto's defense, they make excellent tools, for the most part. Everyone has their turds.
Well, I doubt that Grainger will provide that information. I'm sure Proto tools are fine. I'm not sure they're $50/piece finer, though, than other brands' tools. I just happened on that set as an ad presented to me by Google. I search for tools a lot on Google, which rewards me by putting ads on my screen for all sorts of tools. I have some Proto tools, albeit old, collectable ones, in my toolbox. They include my very favorite tools of all time, pictured below:

I would never buy that Grainger master toolset, of course. I doubt that anyone on GL would buy it. So, probably it gets ordered by purchasing agents for government and corporate accounts from time to time. The point is that it exists as a SKU. Someone put together all of those items and it is offered for sale. I just find that amazing, frankly. It's not a good bargain, I think, for anyone.
 

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I love how this thread is filling up with contrarians who point out that there’s a wholesale discount! And giant bureaucracies like the government or megacorporations NEED to order things quickly and unintelligently!

Contrarians? They're just stating facts. Like said multiple times, this isn't for the buyer who thinks about things the way you are. I'm sure Grainger doesn't (and doesn't plan to) sell a ton of these even to their typical large industrial buyer. However, they have them available because on the occasions that type of buyer DOES need a relatively complete (for industrial purposes) set of quality hand tools ASAP, they provide that option. It comes at a cost, but everyone understands that.

I have worked in an industrial setting for 20 years, and a) we would rarely if ever buy tools by the set like this, b) whenever we do buy tools they will be coming from Grainger/McMaster/Fastenal/etc., all of which will be relatively overpriced for what you get by the standards of the average forum member. It just doesn't matter. A company like us is simply not going to call the Snap-On guy to order tools. Even if we had one of the fabled industrial reps show up, it would be a hard sell to get purchasing and maintenance administration to be interested in setting up another vendor just to be able to buy expensive (if extremely high quality) tools when it works just find to use one of our industrial suppliers.

Cost in an environment like this is a whole different animal. An occasional $50k is not a drop in the bucket of operating costs for a reasonably sized industrial company, and they have different priorities than a typical buyer. This isn't like a home user, prosumer, or even a small business like an auto shop or small manufacturer. When you need to get millions worth of product out the door, spending much time worrying about whether a one time indirect expense that has useful life of years or decades costs $20k or $50k is generally not very efficient. Yes you want to get the lowest price you can through your established channels, but it's not worth using too many resources to find something else.
 

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Two words, National Accounts. Any large enough business to need a stocked, shadowed box like this from Granger is likely a NA. As such, they are likely paying half that. NA's usually have a fixed markup on specific categories of items. Tools like these are maybe 8 or 10% over cost, could be less if they were particularly aggressive when negotiating. I was in sales with a company who had a lot of NA's and the larger ones could buy stuff considerably less than me, and I was an employee. Its kind of a piss off TBH.
 

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Ever watch a western where they send someone on a race against time and say kill your horse if you have to?

Some understand what that means and some don't.
 
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Glad I'm not the only one thinking this.
I'd be interested in some hard performance data, on a tool-by-tool basis, of a comparison between comparable current Proto and HF Icon hand tools. I don't know of any actual comparison tests of that kind. I don't doubt that there would be differences, but I do doubt that usability in suitable situations would be significantly different between the two brands, across a range of tools.

If you know of some such comparisons, I'd be glad to look at them.
 
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