Need suggestions for 8' LED bulbs

[atikovi]

I have a small warehouse with a total of ten 8' fluorescent bulbs.





They have all died out now and want to replace them with LEDs. This is what the ends look like,



which I understand are called R17D. Searched online and find a lot of choices like these for a box of ten bulbs,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YHKDSV2/?tag=atomicindus08-20 for $207 delivered

https://www.eledlights.com/products...sQb1qDKjd7m-MjUwa9G6J4hT4eGvJOmgaAld9EALw_wcB for $296 delivered

https://www.ledlightexpert.com/8-fo...Qqk3sYfOhytjwpVRq-ZZ_Gg7ay5NYEQ4aAj_qEALw_wcB $800 delivered

What's the difference between these that the last one is so much more? Is clear or frosted better? What to look for in lumens and temperature?

 

[BillK]

ATI,
Where are you located in the DC area ? I know that Pepco had a program going where they would come out and convert to LED for you at no cost or very minimal. I know of two guys with businesses in the area that had it done and it cost them nothing. One was in PG and the other in Montgomery County.

 

[atikovi]

This is in Fredericksburg VA. I do have some in my basement shop at home in Montgomery County to convert.

 

[tfi racing]

Do yourself a favour. Unless you need HO lamps because it is a heated space, buy some conversion kits for 48" T8 ballast bypass lamps. All 8' lamps should be sent to the recyclers for once and for all, nothing but a relic from the past.

 

[atikovi]

Not sure what an HO lamp is but the 8' LEDs will bypass the ballast.

 

[sparky 1971]

Try Sitlers Led Supplies. That's where I get mine, but I don't know about the shipping to VA. The 8' LED lamps aren't listed on the website, but they do carry them. I don't like them, but I had to use them for a conversion for the county where low bidder wins and I was up against two other contractors that bid 8' instead of using 4' conversions. Personally, I would convert the fixtures over so that they use four 4' lamps. You can buy the conversion kits from Sitlers also.

The website is stupid, no prices are listed and you can't order from it, it requires a phone call.

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[sparky 1971]

Not sure what an HO lamp is but the 8' LEDs will bypass the ballast.

HO is high output. Higher wattage, brighter and will start up better in the cold. The rectangular pins on the ends of the lamps are what marks them as HO. The standard are a little round pin. If you go with 8' LED lamps, make sure you get HO replacements or you will have to replace the sockets. If you go with the 4' conversions, new sockets will come with the kits.

 

[pattenp]

I have 8ft HO fixtures and have been looking to convert to LED. From what I've found it's cheaper to convert the 2 lamp fixture to 4 lamp. It's a little more work having to change out the tombstone sockets but I feel it's worth it not having to deal with 8ft lamps. I'd rather have to buy a 4ft lamp if one dies vs a 8ft.

 

[sparky 1971]

I have 8ft HO fixtures and have been looking to convert to LED. From what I've found it's cheaper to convert the 2 lamp fixture to 4 lamp. It's a little more work having to change out the tombstone sockets but I feel it's worth it not having to deal with 8ft lamps. I'd rather have to buy a 4ft lamp if one dies vs a 8ft.

It may be cheaper in the really long run, and it's definitely better to go with 4' lamps, but the upfront cost is more. I get the conversion kits for $35 and the 4' lamps for $10 each, so $75 per fixture. The only time I bought 8' HO replacement lamps was in 2021 and they were $25 each.

 

[Norcal]

HO is high output. Higher wattage, brighter and will start up better in the cold. The rectangular pins on the ends of the lamps are what marks them as HO. The standard are a little round pin. If you go with 8' LED lamps, make sure you get HO replacements or you will have to replace the sockets. If you go with the 4' conversions, new sockets will come with the kits.

There are HO, 800 ma lamps, and VHO 1500, ma lamps that use the recessed double contacts, eons ago the VHO lamps were common for gas station island lighting, standard 8' HO lamps were 110W, & 8' VHO are 215W, other then energy costs I like HO's but 4' ballast bypass LED is the way to go. Single pin lamps are slimline,they are a PITA in the cold.

 

[cybrdyke]

Use Techbrite R894SSUWRXX00P0-WOE .Retrofit Tandem Kit And then get 4 18w or more double end powered LED tubes. You'll gut the fixture you have and install the tandem kit with new sockets, all pre-wired, and new lamps. Super easy.
8' tubes are a trainwreck. Chances are if you order 10, 3 of them will be broken when you get them. They're just too delicate and hard to handle. Some freight carriers wont even take them.
To answer your question about the 3 you found online....
The Barinna lamp from Amazon is garbage as is most of their stuff. The V-shape design is just marketing fluff and doesn't do anything. Dont ever buy a clear lensed tube. And the 6000K color is very blue and weird.
The no-name lamp from eledlights is a pretty common tube, kind of generic, probably made for several online retailers by a contract manufacturer in China. Standard fare.
The Keystone is by far the best of the 3, being a manufacturer that's much respected in the lighting industry and specializes in LED tubes. The price from that online retailer, however, is just sheer robbery. They dont cost that much in the real world and you should be able to find them elsewhere for not much more than the other two examples.
Hope that helps.
CD

 

[sparky 1971]

There are HO, 800 ma lamps, and VHO 1500, ma lamps that use the recessed double contacts, eons ago the VHO lamps were common for gas station island lighting, standard 8' HO lamps were 110W, & 8' VHO are 215W, other then energy costs I like HO's but 4' ballast bypass LED is the way to go. Single pin lamps are slimline,they are a PITA in the cold.

You're dating yourself. I am becoming the grumpy old guy that I made fun of 28 years ago when I started in the trade and I've only seen the VHO lamps in signs and they are always a goofy length that won't work with a standard fixture, 39", 58", 82", etc.

 

[RAYJAY]

Not sure what an HO lamp is but the 8' LEDs will bypass the ballast.

don't do the full 8 foot lamps ,tried them and they sag in the middle converted all of my 8 foot all 12 to4 foot bulbs

I have 8ft HO fixtures and have been looking to convert to LED. From what I've found it's cheaper to convert the 2 lamp fixture to 4 lamp. It's a little more work having to change out the tombstone sockets but I feel it's worth it not having to deal with 8ft lamps. I'd rather have to buy a 4ft lamp if one dies vs a 8ft.

did the same thing a lot better and no sag from the 8 foot led

 

[pattenp]

It may be cheaper in the really long run, and it's definitely better to go with 4' lamps, but the upfront cost is more. I get the conversion kits for $35 and the 4' lamps for $10 each, so $75 per fixture. The only time I bought 8' HO replacement lamps was in 2021 and they were $25 each.

The price I was looking at was $13 for the tombstone conversion and $7.50 per direct wire 4ft led tube. That's $43 buying local. The 8ft tubes needed to be ordered and came out to $23 ea., so $46.

 

[atikovi]

don't do the full 8 foot lamps ,tried them and they sag in the middle

Is this a problem? Will they fall out?

 

[sparky 1971]

The price I was looking at was $13 for the tombstone conversion and $7.50 per direct wire 4ft led tube. That's $43 buying local. The 8ft tubes needed to be ordered and came out to $23 ea., so $46.

Where can you get the conversion kit for $13? I get a universal style that fits all the different widths of fixtures and they come with eight tombstones, new fixture covers, 16 gauge wire, adjustable saddles that accommodate different widths of fixtures, the mounting screws, and a Wago style disconnect. I also spend a little more for the tubes that can be connected single ended, double ended, or work with an electronic ballast. That way, I only keep one style of lamp on hand but in both 40 and 50K.

The tubes are on page 4 and the retro kits are on page 30 of the catalog

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[cybrdyke]

Is this a problem? Will they fall out?

The plastic ones can. The glass ones, not so much.
CD

 

[sparky 1971]

Is this a problem? Will they fall out?

The one time I used 8' lamps, they actually came with a minerallac type clamp to support the center of the lamps. It was kind of like in the link, but without the bolt.

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[pattenp]

This is what I was thinking I needed for $13. I realize I have to wire the tombstones.

https://www.gordonelectricsupply.com/p/Epco-14050-Retrofit-Conversion-Kit/6011215?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_qHSq53c_AIVUODICh1y7QeQEAQYASABEgIwc_D_BwE

 

[sparky 1971]

That would work, but the lack of a ballast cover might be a deal breaker. The 8' fixtures that have an 8' long cover would be a real PITA and have to be cut as well as holes drilled for the locking clips. And since the fixtures in this thread are the HO type, the fact that the cover is also the curved reflector would make it 10X worse. The fixtures with two 4' covers wouldn't be as bad, but the holes for the locking clips are probably in the wrong spot and the cover might have to be cut on them as well since the thickness of the tombstones wasn't planned for in the original design. Maybe the cover is part of the kit and isn't shown?

 

[cybrdyke]

That would work, but the lack of a ballast cover might be a deal breaker. The 8' fixtures that have an 8' long cover would be a real PITA and have to be cut as well as holes drilled for the locking clips. And since the fixtures in this thread are the HO type, the fact that the cover is also the curved reflector would make it 10X worse. The fixtures with two 4' covers wouldn't be as bad, but the holes for the locking clips are probably in the wrong spot and the cover might have to be cut on them as well since the thickness of the tombstones wasn't planned for in the original design. Maybe the cover is part of the kit and isn't shown?

^^^ This. For all those reasons is why I suggested the Techbrite above.

 

[The Cobbler]

Habitat locally to me had a skid of ballast by pass HO 8' LED tubes . 3 for $10 . I knew it was a deal for the right person. a week later they were all gone

 

[sparky 1971]

Habitat locally to me had a skid of ballast by pass HO 8' LED tubes . 3 for $10 . I knew it was a deal for the right person. a week later they were all gone

There was probably a good reason they wound up at Habitat. The only way I would use them for myself is if they were given to me.

 

[pattenp]

That would work, but the lack of a ballast cover might be a deal breaker. The 8' fixtures that have an 8' long cover would be a real PITA and have to be cut as well as holes drilled for the locking clips. And since the fixtures in this thread are the HO type, the fact that the cover is also the curved reflector would make it 10X worse. The fixtures with two 4' covers wouldn't be as bad, but the holes for the locking clips are probably in the wrong spot and the cover might have to be cut on them as well since the thickness of the tombstones wasn't planned for in the original design. Maybe the cover is part of the kit and isn't shown?

There isn't a cover in the kit and didn't expect so for only $13. My fixtures have 2 piece covers and are regular square and no curved reflector. Any metal fab work is no issue for me. It's the kind of stuff I do alot.

 

[sparky 1971]

There isn't a cover in the kit and didn't expect so for only $13. My fixtures have 2 piece covers. Any metal fab work is no issue for me. It's the kind of stuff I do alot.

It wouldn't be a real bad thing for someone that has metal working ability to do at home, but to do it for a job at the savings of $20ish each? Especially at the risk of a bad cut or hole drilled a little off, no thanks. If it were just a couple, I'd give it a shot in my own shop.

 

[atikovi]

The Keystone is by far the best of the 3, being a manufacturer that's much respected in the lighting industry and specializes in LED tubes. The price from that online retailer, however, is just sheer robbery. They dont cost that much in the real world and you should be able to find them elsewhere for not much more than the other two examples.
Hope that helps.
CD

Does this look legit for Keystone? Comes to about $28 each with shipping.

https://www.cpesupply.com/848592/Product/n/Keystone-KT-LED40T8HO-96G-850-D2?gclid=CjwKCAiAoL6eBhA3EiwAXDom5nk_uEEZRDjeki1NRTUvYb4XhoAJBvce8ZDA3eYi6loWwH5kk20P9xoC6YMQAvD_BwE

 

[cybrdyke]

Does this look legit for Keystone? Comes to about $28 each with shipping.

https://www.cpesupply.com/848592/Product/n/Keystone-KT-LED40T8HO-96G-850-D2?gclid=CjwKCAiAoL6eBhA3EiwAXDom5nk_uEEZRDjeki1NRTUvYb4XhoAJBvce8ZDA3eYi6loWwH5kk20P9xoC6YMQAvD_BwE

The reason you're getting these high prices is because you're trying to buy it online and you dont have a pro account. Keystone wont let that company advertise their product at a price lower than that. CPE buys that product from Keystone for less than $15 each. Other electrical supply houses do, too. You'll probably be able to negotiate a price under $20 each for them but you'll have to actually speak to them or go to a local supply house. Or, you can call Keystone's 800 number and ask them to recommend a local supply house. They wont sell it to you directly.
Same tube from Eiko is probably a bit less. You can call District Lighting Group( the DC local rep) at (410) 702-5617, tell them you're interested in part number 12539 and ask them to recommend a local supply house.
Good luck,
CD

 

[BillK]

ati,
These are the ones I used when I did my building:

Keystone Technologies KT-LED43T8HO-96G-850-D-CP :: LED Lamp, T8, Linear, 96", 43W, High Output, 5000K :: Rexel USA

LED Lamp, T8, Linear, 96", 43W, High Output, Single Pin, 5500 Lumens, Ballast Bypass, 5000K, R17d Recessed Double Contact Base, Cat #: KT-LED43T8HO-96G-850-D-CP, Mfr: Keystone Technologies

www.rexelusa.com

Mine are the single pin type but the same brand and specs. I got them from Rexel because their local store is walking distance from my shop They were about $25 each but no shipping.

If you are coming up 301 through Southern Md any time soon feel free to stop in and see how they look. My shop is 30 x 60 with 6 2-tube 8ft fixtures.