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Pliers That I Find Useful and Some I Don't. Tell Me Your Preferences

Skyman

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While it's easy to misuse any tool (wrong tool for the application, by abusing it, etc), I don't understand the negativity about ordinary slip-joint pliers. I probably have at least ten of them, and they all get used from time to time -- misused only in case of desperation, which is almost never, given the quantity of correct tools I have.

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Standard slip-joints have their place, but since finding parrot-head pliers I almost ignore them.
The Knipex adjustable pliers are miles ahead of Channellocks, IMHO. Have several sizes, and just saw newer small ones.
Needlenose - I grab every one I find. Small, micro, large, long reach, etc. Can't have too many of those. Especially love the pistol grip style, though.
Linesman - my Klien's have done every thing I need.
 

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It's unfortunate that most peoples' first experiences with conventional slip-joint pliers were with shoddily-made cheapie imports.
Now, if they'd started out with a fine, high-quality, well-designed and manufactured device like one of Wilde's "Flush Fastener" models, they'd have a completely different opinion of slip-joint pliers:
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Actually, you don't even need to get that fancy.
You can get away with mid-priced stuff if it's of decent quality:
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Neither this nice old pair of Challenger 318 8-inch slip-joints OR these nice Proto 278 8-inch slip joints (now in the possession of GJ member @Smokeshow69) ever pinched my fingers even once. Not once.
(My father stopped carrying "Challenger" in the mid-1960s, to give you an idea of how long I've been using those.)
(I honestly don't know where those Protos came from, but I put a hell of a lot of miles on those too with no pinchie-squeezie stuff.)

Use good tools = no problems.

Gotta expand your horizons - steer clear of that Globemaster stuff.
I have old USA crescent (?) ones. Use them all the time for small spring clamps on fuel line and pulling on cotter/hairclip/hitch pins.
 

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Yep, I use mine far more than I really ever thought I would.

My favorites are the Doyle "flat nose assembly" pliers from HF. I can't fathom why they don't call them "duckbill" pliers like everyone else on the planet, but they seem to be just the right width, etc. for a lot more things than others.

I'm also very much a fan of simple dipped handles like this. I detest the bulky greebled "dis-comfort" handles so often glomped onto otherwise good tools. But that's somewhat down to personal taste, I guess.

I have a pair of Tsunoda duckbills that are a little smaller, but less than half as useful.


On a related note, one of my pet peeves in many situations are pliers that try to be multipurpose with wire cutters, crimpers, weird grippers, etc. but only end up being weaker and less useful. One of the reasons I bought the new Icon needle nose Snap-On clones is that they are pliers... and that's it. Sure, if you're doing wiring then cutters, etc. can be useful so you don't need to carry as many tools, but for mechanical work, you primarily want strength and precision.
The issue with the term “Duckbill Pliers” is that there is more than one type of plier that uses the name, going back to various US manufacturers, so the term can get confused, and purchasers can wind ip with the wrong style of pliers.

Some Manufacturers like Crescent, used the term “Duckbill” for pliers with flat unserrated or finely serrated jaws, were the tip was wider, but narrowed towards the plier body, or flared out as the tip extended from the plier body, so you had a wide tip plier that could more easily be used in confined areas.
The Knipex 33-03-160 is an example of this, and seems to be directly copied from the older Crescent Duckbill pliers.
The Facom, FA-188.16AVSE is a version designed for electricians, that I find really handy.

The other style of pliers people use the term “Duckbill” for, are pliers with a long parallel plier nose, that might otherwise be referred to as “Flatnose Pliers” which are also usually finely serrated, , and sometimes with a longer nose extending from the handles, although not always.
The SK 17828 is an example of this,
As is the Channellock 718,
And the Snap-On 61CF.
Knipex calls this style of plier “Flat Nose” “Assembly Pliers”

Both styles of plier are useful, but I find the Crescent and Facom type way better for manipulating things is narrow cramped areas, and the Flat nose type slightly better were firmer pressure is needed.
 

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mslim

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My most used style of pliers are, and always have been, the traditional British / European pattern “Combination” pliers.

Unfortunately, it’s a pattern that’s very uncommon in the U.S. Very different from slip joint pliers (which have their uses, but I find frustrating to use in place of combination pliers) and different from Linemans pliers, which I consider something of a specialist tool.

I think that the only U.S.manufacturer to offer these is Channellock, and even then they’re rare.

But, the lack of availability of combination pliers, explains why U.S. made long nose pliers tend to be stronger!
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I have a pair of these in my home handyman bag. My 1975 BMW motorcycle factory tool kit came with a similar pair but I traded 'em out for a Knipex plier wrench adjustable and Gripon vice grips.
 

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The issue with the term “Duckbill Pliers” is that there is more than one type of plier that uses the name, going back to various US manufacturers, so the term can get confused, and purchasers can wind ip with the wrong style of pliers.

Some Manufacturers like Crescent, used the term “Duckbill” for pliers with flat unserrated or finely serrated jaws, were the tip was wider, but narrowed towards the plier body, or flared out as the tip extended from the plier body, so you had a wide tip plier that could more easily be used in confined areas.
The Knipex 33-03-160 is an example of this, and seems to be directly copied from the older Crescent Duckbill pliers.
The Facom, FA-188.16AVSE is a version designed for electricians, that I find really handy.

The other style of pliers people use the term “Duckbill” for, are pliers with a long parallel plier nose, that might otherwise be referred to as “Flatnose Pliers” which are also usually finely serrated, , and sometimes with a longer nose extending from the handles, although not always.
The SK 17828 is an example of this,
As is the Channellock 718,
And the Snap-On 61CF.
Knipex calls this style of plier “Flat Nose” “Assembly Pliers”

Both styles of plier are useful, but I find the Crescent and Facom type way better for manipulating things is narrow cramped areas, and the Flat nose type slightly better were firmer pressure is needed.
I just looked up some old Crescent catalogs, and while the One knipex plier with the flared tip was referred to by Crescent as a “Duckbill” plier, the Crescent equivalent of the Facom plier which also gas a glared tip was simply referred to as a “Ling Flatnose Plier”.
A Crescent plier similar to the Channellock 718 appears in a catalog from a couple decades later also with the name “Duckbill plier”. (maybe Crescent was copying the terminology from another manufacturer? )

The Linesman pliers in the WWII era catalog, Showed the “Linesman Pliers” as the Angular jaw “European Style” pliers.
A Crescent Catalog from a couple decades later also shows both the rounded jaw “New England/American” pattern “Linesman Pliers” as well as the Angular Jaw “European style”, and those are still also labelled “Linesman Pliers”.
I went with Crescent since they were one of the older plier manufacturers with a wider range of pliers.

No wonder there is confusion.
Even single manufacturers couldn’t be consistent.
 

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Your dad was correct. I have all the pliers mentioned but I really have never even barley used a set of slip joint pliers. Honsetly I would never think to use them on a nut and bolt. That's what wrenches and sockets are made for and I start with a 6 point.
 

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i got some 18 ich long needle nose i got from HF, they are great for that one bolt that falls in the motor mount
 

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I have a pair of Craftsman RoboGrip pliers for those tight bottle caps. My wife uses them, too. Simple. They're in the cooking utensil drawere next to the refrigerator.
I've had a set of RoboGrips in my pliers drawer for years and still grab them every once in a while.
Vice grips - here in Virginia, and in consideration of our rivalries with the state just south of us, we refer to vice grips as a "Carolina socket set." ;):p
 

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is that because of teeth not being cross hatched? you got me interested here coz i've got that pair
No, it's because the Tsunoda duckbills are narrower than the Doyles, and somehow, at least in my world, they end up a little too narrow for a lot of things. I often found myself trying something with the Tsunodas, then putting them back into the drawer to grab the Doyles.

Somewhat subjective, of course, and a very small thing. But the entire purpose of duckbills is to, well, be wide... Then again, once in a while there are places where the Doyles wouldn't fit and the Tsunodas would, so I have both in easy reach.

4.8mm vs 10.8mm at the tip:
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My most used style of pliers are, and always have been, the traditional British / European pattern “Combination” pliers.

Unfortunately, it’s a pattern that’s very uncommon in the U.S. Very different from slip joint pliers (which have their uses, but I find frustrating to use in place of combination pliers) and different from Linemans pliers, which I consider something of a specialist tool.

I think that the only U.S.manufacturer to offer these is Channellock, and even then they’re rare.

But, the lack of availability of combination pliers, explains why U.S. made long nose pliers tend to be stronger!
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My channellock combo pliers get a lot of use doing electrical.
 

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Every so often I find myself in Menard's holding these ridiculous things and thinking... well, maaaaaaaaybe I might possibly need them one day? Then I put them back. And I pick them up again. And so, far, I've always managed to put them back.
I bought a pair the first time I saw them, but I might have a plier problem. Like I decided I was going to buy them as soon as I realized what they were, and saw they were less than $20, even before I picked them up. I've used them a few times, but not on anything where they would have been the only way to do it. I have three or four more normal double jointed pliers, which have saved jobs, so I figure they'll be essential some day, and if I remember I have them, I'll be in good shape.
 

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My Dad, who was a master mechanic and very handy with all things that involved using tools, absolutely detested ordinary slip-joint pliers. If you wanted to rile him up, all you had to do is grab a pair of ordinary slip-joint pliers and look like you were thinking of using them for something.

"Put down those damned pliers!" he'd roar. And he meant it, too. And with good reason. Using them to do anything with a fastener would quickly turn that fastener into something worthless that no tool could ever grasp again in any useful way.

He wasn't opposed to all pliers - just the garden variety of slip-joint pliers. It didn't matter who made them. He hated the solid-gold ones from Snap-On as much as he did a pair from the dollar store. Because of this, I have always cringed from just looking at a pair of them. Is that wrong of me?

Anyhow, as I've gotten older - very much older - I've grown to recognize that there are some very useful pliers. Some of my favorites are:

Channellock Pliers - Sometimes called "water pump pliers," or a variety of other names, these actually have many uses. Adjustable so their parallel jaws can fit almost any size of object, while allowing a strong grip with their long handles, they are very useful for holding and grasping round things when you don't need something like a pipe wrench . Their disadvantage is their tendency to pinch your fingers if they slip while you're putting pressure on something. You can have several pairs of these in sizes from 4" to 24". You should, too.

Vise-Grip Pliers - Available in a bewildering range of jaw shapes and sizes, they are something like the channellock pliers described above, but they can clamp down on an object without continued hand pressure. As a wrench of last resort, they are the tool you reach for when nothing else will do. They can also be used for jobs like permanenty replacing the handle on a LaZBoy reclining chair. In fact, everyone should have a spare pair for that use - just in case. You cannot have too many pairs of these, so buy them frequently and put them everywhere.

Side-Cutting Pliers - Also known as diagonal cutting pliers or "Dikes," these are the go-to tool for two jobs. Cutting wires and gripping cotter pins for removal, using the pliers as a lever. Always buy a good brand of these, because the cheap ones will be ruined when you try to cut a wire coat hanger, which you will do at some point, ruining them forever. Don't cut heavy piano wire or spring steel wire with them, either. Trust me on this.

Lineman's Pliers - These combination pliers include both side cutters and toothed jaws. If you buy a good pair, they will cut coat-hanger wire quite easily, due to the increased leverage of cutters close to the pivot point. For substituting as a wrench, though, they're not much better than the detested slip-joint pliers. Get a pair at least 8" long, to make cutting coat-hanger wire easier. And trust me, you will need to cut coat-hanger wire often.

Needle-Nose Pliers - Also called long-nose pliers, you will need several pairs of these in different lengths and thinness of their tips. Long ones, capable of almost reaching that nut that fell down behind the bell housing, are also available. But, so are extendable magnets. I'd get the magnet thingie. Some needle-nosed pliers also have side cutters near the pivot. Don't use those cutters. You'll ruin the pliers. Seriously. Nobody knows why the put them there.

The pliers listed above are tools worth owning, in my opinion. There are other types of pliers, but most are just variations on the five on this list. However, if you commonly work on drum brakes on vintage cars, you will definitely need a pair of brake spring pliers. If you don't work on such cars, those will be of no use to you whatsoever.

Now, you might have other favorite plier types. We'd all like to know about those, too, as long as they are not slip-joint pliers, so...
Maybe a pair of these Dreamgirl channel locks is the answer.20230121_134948.jpg

Or for more delicate work...
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Put me down in the Channellock loving camp. And, yes, I own a handful of various Knipex pliers as well, but for plumbing and general use, the 9.5" Channellock pump pliers are my go to.

Coarser with looser tolarances is an advantage in dirty conditions.

For a solid / bulky needle nose, check out the NWS / Iwrin ergonomic / angled offering.

Knipex Plierswrench for adjustable wrench duties of course. Pro tip, carry an adjustable wrench as well, occassionally the angle of the jaws makes the difference (inline with the handle with a wrench, vs. offset 70ish degrees with the plierswrench), when access is limited.

Flush cutting mini side cutters are extremely handy. There's a handful of US brands sub $15, I own several brands that have all served me well.

Klien 2000 series are awesome.
 

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I have a pair of TrueCraft 8" slip joint pliers that are spring loaded. I found them in a junk store along with some other tools. Paid $8 for the bundle. They were a bit rusty, but I got them in good shape. Peeled the handle grips off since they were damaged. Gonna Plasti-Dip them when I get a chance.

I got a pair of Utica-style fencing pliers a while back, made by Crescent. Got them in decent condition. Pretty handy for cutting fencing wire, etc.
 

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Vise-Grip Pliers - As a wrench of last resort, they are the tool you reach for when nothing else will do. They can also be used for jobs like permanenty replacing the handle on a LaZBoy reclining chair. In fact, everyone should have a spare pair for that use - just in case.

Vice grips - here in Virginia, and in consideration of our rivalries with the state just south of us, we refer to vice grips as a "Carolina socket set." ;):p

Y’all got this all wrong. As a native North Carolinian I can tell you the proper use for these is to clamp on the window track when your window regulator fails. This keeps the window from falling down. I’ve had one set in my “farm truck” for several years and it’s still holding strong. One co-worker did the same thing and sold the car with the vice grips still in the door.

Don’t forget we also have the Carolina Squat named for our fine state. Nothing but the best around here.
 
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I was taught to hold the can of primer under the pipe so whatever drips off the dauber can be reused. They'd probably kill me at work if I threw a can of glue away because the lid was stuck...
Well, I don't work as a plumber, so long periods go by between my need for that stuff. I don't even bother. I buy another can when I buy whatever pipe and fittings I need. Cheap, so I don't bother with the old stuff.
 

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With corks (plastic & real) on wine bottles, we use a pair of gas and burner pliers to get the !@##!! thing off the corkscrew when it's too tight for removal by hand. Same pliers also work to remove screw-off bottle caps that are too stiff to turn. I've used appropriate sized channellocks to bust the vacuum seal on jars of jam, marmalade, olives, and such.

No end to clever parlor tricks you can do with pliers & pliers-like tools....
 

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I really like needle nose pliers with the 45 degree bend at the tip for automotive work. So many times I've needed to grab something at an angle, and the bend is perfect to get around obstructions.
Yeah like the 10mm that fell.
 

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I collect a lot of old tools, but one of my favorite pair of pliers is the Barcalo 7" universal slip joint pliers. Not to small, not to big. The shape of the jaws still allows you to get around larger nuts & bolts. Has wire cutters. Screwdriver on the end of one handle. Hefty in the hand for their size. Can't beat'em. I found this pair but there is no markings & no evidence they ever were stamped. According to AA, they are usually stamped "Barcalo Buffalo USA." Also, mine has a diamond in the middle of the knurled handles unlike the AA examples shown. I would like to figure out when these were manufactured? Is the screwdriver handle a clue? I'm trying to find references that the screwdriver handle phased out by 1920? Any help is appreciated.
 

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