Hazet 163-95/8 Double Open End Wrench Set

[Cybergrizzly]

Hello, Guys
I am looking to buy a thin or rather slim open end wrench set. I have a Capri wrench set but the jaws have too much play. I was using one today and had to switch to a standard Taiwan made Craftsman wrench. I've read about really thin ones such as the Parks Tools, but was more heading towards the Hazet 163-95/8 Double Open End Wrench Set for $83. However, I cannot find anywhere that is the thickness of the Hazet wrenches.

Anyone has any comments or have a Hazet set that can give me the thickness? I also want to know if these are accurate wrenches and don´t have much play.

Thanks

 

[cherrybomb]

Here's what I know,I needed a thin open end to get a double nut loose on my Jet Spindle Sandle.My S-K,Proto,Snap,much to thick.I got on the site of Hand-Tools-From-Germany.com.I needed 17mm.they were much thinner,I got a Stahwille combo and a 13-17mm.They also have Hazet,13-17mm.d.o.e.for instance according to their site for individual wrenches is thickness is 6mm.I love my Stahwille and HFG a great place to order,good luck

 

[Qualitytools]

I think FACOM has thin wrenches also but I don’t know the number.

 

[Cybergrizzly]

Thanks, Guys. My two main concerns are the thickness and how accurate is the fitting of the open jaws (opening size) of the wrenches. The mentioned manufacturers appear to be responsible ones from Europe. I hope to find that whichever I decide to buy meets the criteria

 

[Dave455]

I have a few of the Hazet open enders, up to about 13mm, if you have a size in mind let me know and I can measure it.

The Hazets are fairly slim, certainly slimmer than the 610 combination wrench. Combination on the left, open end on the right!


The fit is pretty much dictated by the relevant standards, and I doubt there will be much variation among any of the German manufacturers, though I suspect most will be towards the lower end of the tolerance. I certainly have no complaints about my Hazet wrenches.

If you want a thin wrench, without going too specialised, then the KTC Profit would probably be worth considering.

 

[four.cycle]

the thickness of the head on my ELORA "100" series 17mm open-end is 15/64"

call the guys at KCTool in Kansas City and have them check a Hazet.

The other option might be VIM, believe it or not.

 

[Cybergrizzly]

Again, thanks for all comments. I decided to go with a Hazet wrench set 450N. An order has been placed.

Cheers.

 

[assassin10000]

A bit late to the party but here are the thicknesses for a couple different sets of double open end wrenches I took screenshots of.

I ended up with the Taiwan made Gedore Red set plus two hazet 450 wrenches for the missing 26 & 29mm ends.

 

[Cybergrizzly]

I do have to correct a statement. When I tried a 17mm made by Capri on a brass fitting, there was too much play (open end wrench). The Craftsman that I tried and had a perfect fitting without much play was a Made in USA wrench, not a Taiwan made.

Gedore sizes may be better than Capri, but I went with Hazet based on German manufacturers compliance with established standards.

 

[Cybergrizzly]

I read somewhere that Hazet was not really the best manufacturer and that Stalhwille was much better similar to SO. But then again, maybe more expensive.

If Hazet meets the USA standards that Craftsman (USA) had, I am more than satisfied. Craftsman had a thin set of SAE wrenches but I did not find a metric version. Too bad.

 

[Dave455]

I read somewhere that Hazet was not really the best manufacturer and that Stalhwille was much better similar to SO. But then again, maybe more expensive.

If Hazet meets the USA standards that Craftsman (USA) had, I am more than satisfied. Craftsman had a thin set of SAE wrenches but I did not find a metric version. Too bad.

No, I think generally Hazet are a fraction ahead.

If you compare, say, 3/8 drive sockets, the Hazet have a much higher standard of finish.

Appreciate though that the finish from the two manufacturers is different - Stahlwille are satin finished, Hazet are part matte part polished. This is less noticable on the open end wrenches, which are all matte.

In the U.K. and Europe, Stahlwille are considerably cheaper than Snap On - about a third of the price, as can be seen by the prices of these wrenches. This is part of the attraction. Obviously the price of the Stahlwille increases as it travels further, but you shouldn’t be paying Snap On prices.


The only exception are Stahlwille’s Aerospace tools, which are made to a higher standard, and are priced up with Snap On. Snap On meet this standard from the outset though, so maybe not looking so badly priced now!

 

[cherrybomb]

Cybergrizzly I believe you will be happy with your new Hazet wrenches.The Germans take great pride in their tools.I hope when you receive them and give them a workout,you can review them here and explain what you were having a problem with and how you solved your problen.We're here to learn

 

[DekNgo]

No, I think generally Hazet are a fraction ahead.

If you compare, say, 3/8 drive sockets, the Hazet have a much higher standard of finish.

Appreciate though that the finish from the two manufacturers is different - Stahlwille are satin finished, Hazet are part matte part polished. This is less noticable on the open end wrenches, which are all matte.

In the U.K. and Europe, Stahlwille are considerably cheaper than Snap On - about a third of the price, as can be seen by the prices of these wrenches. This is part of the attraction. Obviously the price of the Stahlwille increases as it travels further, but you shouldn’t be paying Snap On prices.

The only exception are Stahlwille’s Aerospace tools, which are made to a higher standard, and are priced up with Snap On. Snap On meet this standard from the outset though, so maybe not looking so badly priced now!

So given any general Hazet tool and similar Stahlwille tool for the same price here in The States, you think the Hazet would be a better purchase? Is this based on your experience with performance or just fit and finish?

I'm relatively new to these German brands, so I'm genuinely curious about others' opinions.

 

[dnschmidt]

Anybody ever hear of a grinder? I love German tools, well what would you expect from some guy named Schmidt, but I've made thin wrenches from thick wrenches with a grinder and a flap disc. It's not that hard to do. I have a Grizzly belt sander that has a thin locking nut for the tracking adjustment that requires a thin 14mm open end. Took a lobster claw Husky and five minutes later had me a nice thin 14mm that I still use for this purpose to this day. If you only need one wrench for a specific application this is much faster than waiting for a slow boat from Hamburg to deliver it.

 

[silkman]

Hazet and Stahlwille are both excellent, you will not be disappointed. Please post pics when you get them.

Was looking at the Stahlwille Stabil 20 myself as I'm in the market for a deep offset set

 

[F-22]

So given any general Hazet tool and similar Stahlwille tool for the same price here in The States, you think the Hazet would be a better purchase? Is this based on your experience with performance or just fit and finish?

They're about the same top quality. Stahlwille is famous for their wrenches. They have a really comfortable shape and a very nice finish. It's not a polished finish like on a Snap On or a mirror finish as on a Nepros - but both of those are functionally hindered by that shiny finish a bit. The slightly matte finish on the Stahlwille won't slip and will be easier to stay clean. Functionally, they'll all perform to the highest level.

Hazet makes great wrenches, but if it's up to me I'd buy stahlwille wrenches and hazet socket tools... Hazet is very famous for their Hazet Assistent toolcarts too, very iconic design for the VW crowd (OEM toolcarts for VW and Porsche service shops back when they were air cooled...).

 

[DekNgo]

They're about the same top quality. Stahlwille is famous for their wrenches. They have a really comfortable shape and a very nice finish. It's not a polished finish like on a Snap On or a mirror finish as on a Nepros - but both of those are functionally hindered by that shiny finish a bit. The slightly matte finish on the Stahlwille won't slip and will be easier to stay clean. Functionally, they'll all perform to the highest level.

Hazet makes great wrenches, but if it's up to me I'd buy stahlwille wrenches and hazet socket tools... Hazet is very famous for their Hazet Assistent toolcarts too, very iconic design for the VW crowd (OEM toolcarts for VW and Porsche service shops back when they were air cooled...).

Thanks!

 

[F-22]

Thanks!

By the way, regarding the finish - I'm not certain if a Snap on actually costs more to make due to the mirror finish. They grind the wrench from all sides so the forging can be pretty rough and it won't make a difference. A stahlwille seems like it's tumbled for a long while, the finish is the same on the whole wrench, it's kind of matte but if you put it next to a cheap wrench it's obvious the Stahlwille finish is very fine and special, and they need to have very good forging procedures to get this kind of finish consistently in mass manufacturing. The shape also makes them rather light but still strong.




KTC uses almost the same cross section profile, for the same reason. But even from the photos you can see Stahlwille is a bit nicer finished (though in preformance I'd say KTC is right up there too - in fact, the large size designations are probably better, Stahlwille for some reason always poorly marks the size, even on their sockets).