Rustoleum Farm and Implement Paint + Hardener Question

[Beemer]

Wanting to repaint our garden tiller Briggs steel gas tank and I am hoping to get some degree of accidental fuel spillage protection in the new paint.
Would adding a hardener to the paint (brush on) give it some degree of resistance to gas?

I don't know what they originally painted the tank with but it has held up very well for over 30 years. It does not appear that there was primer under the original paint judging by a small area that pealed off in reaction to carb cleaner dribble. Maybe that gives a clue to what they used but I can't find information on what might have been used.

Amy suggestions will be appreciated.

 

[The Cobbler]

I don't know what they originally painted the tank with

probably baking enamel . it was heat cured , not to be confused with Powder coating

 

[Beemer]

probably baking enamel . it was heat cured , not to be confused with Powder coating

Can that be reproduced with a heat gun?

 

[The Cobbler]

probably can't buy the paint . at least in a quantity that you would want

 

[gte718p]

Can't speak for rustoleum perse, but I did my 4runner in tractor supply implement paint with the hardener. No problem with small spill at the gas station for the five years I owned it.

 

[rattle_snake]

The hardener is awesome. Reduces dry time significantly, hours instead of days. I don't spray without it. As for solvent resistance, I'd say no change.

 

[gears]

I use the Majic brand hardener from TSC with my Rustoleum Industrial enamel and it finishes bright and glossy.

 

[Beemer]

I use the Majic brand hardener from TSC with my Rustoleum Industrial enamel and it finishes bright and glossy.

And chemical resistance?

 

[Beemer]

probably can't buy the paint . at least in a quantity that you would want

What paint? Not talking about auto shop paint here.
The paint discussed comes in quarts.

 

[theoldwizard1]

Would adding a hardener to the paint (brush on) give it some degree of resistance to gas?

Rustoleum Implement paint is an alkyd enamel. Add hardener makes is almost as tough as epoxy paint ! Not certain it will add to resistance to gas, but it is "good stuff" ! Chip resistant.

Alkyd enamels take a long time to cure. Not just dry, but to completely cure. I would leave it in the sun for at least 2 days, maybe even 5, before risking getting gas on it.

 

[The Cobbler]

probably baking enamel . it was heat cured , not to be confused with Powder coating

Can that be reproduced with a heat gun?

probably can't buy the paint . at least in a quantity that you would want

I thought you were asking if baking enamel could be cured with a heat gun. my reply was " probably can't buy the paint "
baking enamel is it's own special breed , not run of the mill alkyd paint

https://www.mas-paints.com/wp-content/uploads/simple-file-list/BAKING-ENAMEL-DATASHEET.pdf

 

[Beerhippie]

I use Rustoleum Clear Engine Enamel (248944 Clear) as a topcoat when painting Coleman lantern and stove founts. Excellent fuel and oil resistance. It's also heat resistant to 500F.




That's over Spazstix Kandy Apple paint.

 

[Beemer]

I thought you were asking if baking enamel could be cured with a heat gun. my reply was " probably can't buy the paint "
baking enamel is it's own special breed , not run of the mill alkyd paint

https://www.mas-paints.com/wp-content/uploads/simple-file-list/BAKING-ENAMEL-DATASHEET.pdf

Never heard if it.
I was asking about applying heat to any enamel. I thought I read that engine enamel could be treated with a heat gun but perhaps that was AI's imagination at work.

 

[Beemer]

I use Rustoleum Clear Engine Enamel (248944 Clear) as a topcoat when painting Coleman lantern and stove founts. Excellent fuel and oil resistance. It's also heat resistant to 500F.




That's over Spazstix Kandy Apple paint.

Now that may well be the answer to the question.
After looking into it, it appears to not need heat curing to resist fuel.

What type of paint is the Spazstic?
Asking to see what else the engine enamel can be applied over.

 

[Sumboodie]

What hardener? I went to buy some at Carquest and there's like a dozen different ones.

 

[Beerhippie]

Now that may well be the answer to the question.
After looking into it, it appears to not need heat curing to resist fuel.

What type of paint is the Spazstic?
Asking to see what else the engine enamel can be applied over.

I heat-cure my enamel paints. The Spazstix is also an enamel. The high-temp Rustoleums require heat curing.

 

[Beemer]

I heat-cure my enamel paints. The Spazstix is also an enamel. The high-temp Rustoleums require heat curing.

The Engine Enamel a different product than the High Temp paint.
Run a search for: "Does rust oleum engine enamel require heat curing to resist fuel?"
It gives an encouraging no heat cure answer, but the validity is not certain nor is the source.
I have a request in with the company to get the official recommendation.

 

[Beerhippie]

The Engine Enamel a different product than the High Temp paint.
Run a search for: "Does rust oleum engine enamel require heat curing to resist fuel?"
It gives an encouraging no heat cure answer, but the validity is not certain nor is the source.
I have a request in with the company to get the official recommendation.

It isn't a High Temp paint, but it is. 500F is certainly higher temp. No, it doesn't specify the regime of heat-cure steps that a Rusto High-Temp paint does.

But I heat-cure all my enamel paints, so whatever.

 

[WillyBoy]

a small area that pealed off in reaction to carb cleaner dribble

Resisting gas or diesel spills is different from resisting carb cleaner. The paints that have been mentioned should be fine for gas spills.
Resisting carb cleaner is a completely different story.

 

[gahrajmahal]

I’d resist using a heat gun to cure paint on a Gas Tank unless the tank was empty and washed out with soap and water. Heat guns occasionally send a spark out with the air flow.

 

[Farmall450]

Rustoleum Implement paint is an alkyd enamel. Add hardener makes is almost as tough as epoxy paint ! Not certain it will add to resistance to gas, but it is "good stuff" ! Chip resistant.

Alkyd enamels take a long time to cure. Not just dry, but to completely cure. I would leave it in the sun for at least 2 days, maybe even 5, before risking getting gas on it.

I've wondered about this, because Rustoleum doesn't rec'd a hardener with their paint. And my local farm stores don't even sell it (but they do sell another brand's hardener).

 

[aka Larry]

I use the Majic brand hardener from TSC with my Rustoleum Industrial enamel and it finishes bright and glossy.

This is the combination I use as well, with similar results. I mainly started using it (Majic hardener) because the normal dry times for Rustoleum are measured with a sundial.

 

[Firebrick43]

I've wondered about this, because Rustoleum doesn't rec'd a hardener with their paint. And my local farm stores don't even sell it (but they do sell another brand's hardener).

Where do you see that their DTM paint doesn’t recommend a hardener?

High Performance - Alkyd Accelerator

Alkyd Accelerator - Speed up any 2500 or V7400 System project by adding Rust-Oleum High Performance Alkyd Accelerator. When mixed into a low-VOC alkyd enamel, this special additive can reduce drying time by up to 50 percent.

www.rustoleum.com

Valspar hardener is the same, rust oleum is a valspar brand. The majic hardener at tough **** Charlie’s also works with it

 

[Farmall450]

Where do you see that their DTM paint doesn’t recommend a hardener?

High Performance - Alkyd Accelerator

Alkyd Accelerator - Speed up any 2500 or V7400 System project by adding Rust-Oleum High Performance Alkyd Accelerator. When mixed into a low-VOC alkyd enamel, this special additive can reduce drying time by up to 50 percent.

www.rustoleum.com

Valspar hardener is the same, rust oleum is a valspar brand. The majic hardener at tough **** Charlie’s also works with it

I'm talking about the stops rust stuff, which on the label says no hardener.

 

[Farmall450]

hardner for Rustoleum

whats everyone using for hardner for the oil based Rustoleum? I ususally go to the auto body paint store and buy universal hardner,but now looking for something I can pick up at tractor supply,walmart,NAPA etc.

www.garagejournal.com

FYI

 

[Firebrick43]

I'm talking about the stops rust stuff, which on the label says no hardener.

I just read a can of it and didn’t see that?

 

[theoldwizard1]

I've wondered about this, because Rustoleum doesn't rec'd a hardener with their paint. And my local farm stores don't even sell it (but they do sell another brand's hardener).

If it says it is for alkyd enamel, it will work.

 

[Beemer]

Resisting gas or diesel spills is different from resisting carb cleaner. The paints that have been mentioned should be fine for gas spills.
Resisting carb cleaner is a completely different story.

Indeed I know

 

[Beerhippie]

Indeed I know

Brake fluid, too.

 

[Beemer]

After a correspondence with the R company it was indicated that no hardener can be added to the Farm and Implement paint as it would change the formulation.

Any long term result experience in doing so here?

 

[Beemer]

Brake fluid, too.

The only brakes on my tiller is to let go of the cable operated engagement levers.