I’ve had the 200mm version of these and really enjoy using them.
Not sure if these have been shown before, but I was not familiar with them at all. While placing an order at Harry Epstein, I was browsing the IPS pliers and bought these on a whim. They are unique (to me) in that the middle slip joint is unassisted, but the two outer joins are spring assisted. The angle seems handy and the quality is typically great IPS.
My Soft Touch Neo pliers have a similar slip joint. They came in handy again last week.
Not sure if these have been shown before, but I was not familiar with them at all. While placing an order at Harry Epstein, I was browsing the IPS pliers and bought these on a whim. They are unique (to me) in that the middle slip joint is unassisted, but the two outer joins are spring assisted. The angle seems handy and the quality is typically great IPS.
I have the SF-200 Toji pliers, same as @boxy30, with baby **** brown handles that I bought a while back. I told folks here I bought the SF-165 pair but actually took a look at the labeling just now for the first time. They've easily replaced my western water pump pliers except for round plumbing fittings where my v-jaw crescents and channellocks rule.
Not sure if these have been shown before, but I was not familiar with them at all. While placing an order at Harry Epstein, I was browsing the IPS pliers and bought these on a whim. They are unique (to me) in that the middle slip joint is unassisted, but the two outer joins are spring assisted. The angle seems handy and the quality is typically great IPS.
Stumbled upon some of these videos the other day. I got one of the Koken 169-10 trim clip removal tools because of that. I didn't know they existed and can't wait to use it!
……and ordered. Many thanks.^ I like this one. Amazon carries it. Price varies with time.
^ Check the "Battle of the Bit Ratchets" thread and ask @Dave455 what he's using for a driver handle for those bits.
Thanks for the info. The thread is about bit ratchets and I’m just looking for a made in Japan screwdriver style bit holder. This is a bit of a silly rabbit hole I’ve gone down….^ Check the "Battle of the Bit Ratchets" thread and ask @Dave455 what he's using for a driver handle for those bits.
And @Ohio Andy - both of those guys have tried out different models of those gizmos - they're pretty well-versed on them.
I use a cordless Makita myself... a bit large for that Toyo box.
The thread is about everything-under-the-sun-related-to-1/4-inch-hex-drive-bits-and-drivers. It sort of grew a life of its own.
It does state that the bits and handle are “made in Japan”, however I’m unsure if Vessel actually make the handle. The bits appear to be typical Vessel quality, but the bit holder is pretty bad. The Japanese hex bit world is…. “Weird”.Thank you for confirming this. The Amazon reviews for this are awful and I've avoided it for that reason. This appears to be a re-brand?
I associated Vessel with only top quality items so this isn't invited.
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Oh no, I think I must be deleloping a reputation…!^ Check the "Battle of the Bit Ratchets" thread and ask @Dave455 what he's using for a driver handle for those bits.
And @Ohio Andy - both of those guys have tried out different models of those gizmos - they're pretty well-versed on them.
I use a cordless Makita myself... a bit large for that Toyo box.
Nice tools,as you get older and lose a bit of grip,the bolsters are a nice featureI know these have been posted several times over the years (Looking at your @Dave455 ) ...
BUT....I finally convinced myself to buy them:
I dunno ya'll...these might be, "the one". Best grips ever, beautiful finishing and extremely solid build quality. It's the Japanese version of the SO hard handle, just much more pruuuudy.
are those PB Swiss ratcheting screwdrivers discontinued? I could only find the 8510 which is a different style and not the clear handle.Oh no, I think I must be deleloping a reputation…!
To quote James Garner “What would a man want with a reputation”?
The important thing to bear in mind is that origins of a bit driver don’t really matter for hand operated / C6 bits.
For power / E6 bits it makes a huge difference. You have to use a Japanese tool with a Japanese bit (or they don’t fit) and it’s best to use a U.S. or European spec bit with the same spec tool, or they have a lot of slop.
But for hand bits, you can use what you like.
In honesty, my favourite non ratcheting bit driver (and we all need one) is probably the PB 186 M.
You do need the magnetic version, but subject to that, these are pretty faultless. The whole tool is durable, but particularly the handle - no useless (but cheap) soft finishes. The bit retention is superb, and they are inexpensive.
For ratcheting, I must admit I prefer the hard handle Snap On. The ratchet is smooth, but most importantly the handles are durable. That is so important.
I like the short version, so handy, but also the ergonomic T handles, if you have space.
The PB Swiss are also superb, and the new ratchets are buttery smooth. Probably better than the Snap On. But.. they only come in soft finish handles now, which suit maybe 10 % of my tasks! The older sprag clutch tools are lovely, and the cross handle are nice too.
And I think honourable mention has to be made of the Facom. A lovely smooth ratchet. Little back drag. Durable handle. And overall very nice to use. Reasonably priced this side of the pond.
If you wanted Japanese then Vessel make a selection. I only have the yellow Powergrip model. It’s o.k. but let down by the plastic bit retainer which doesn’t feel durable.
Sadly they are.
I have a couple of the PB Swiss with a "clear" handle that are NOT ratcheting. One is similar to the 6510.20, so similar to the link below but with the hard handle. I really like it. Frankly, I did not even know that they offered one that was ratcheting. I think that people made fun of me here when I mentioned that it was difficult to use it without "sniffing" it because it smells like vanilla.Sadly they are.
I’m not exactly sure why, as they were a superb design. They were the only bit drivers that used, essentially, the multicraft handle. They also had a “toothless” sprag clutch ratchet.
In fairness, the ratchets on the 8510 are also superb. They are buttery smooth and a delight to use. The downside of the 8510 is the soft Santoprene handle. Sure, some folks might like them, but they are pretty useless for anything I might want to do.
The 8510 is currently being replaced by the 38510 and I think that’s probably a much better handle.
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Kakuri cork handle 9-1/2" ryoba, and Kakuri 10" universal cut kataba blade
0.7mm Staedtler 925-35-07 and 0.7mm Zebra M-701 mechanical pencils, Vessel bit holder, Uni leads holder, and Shinwa square (I know...).
............. I'm not sure why I'm collecting more and more mechanical pencils but I am. .........
As much as I like this tool, I hate it, I find that my grip on the tool results in changing the ratcheting action direction, over an over again......drives me nuts.Sadly they are.
I’m not exactly sure why, as they were a superb design. They were the only bit drivers that used, essentially, the multicraft handle. They also had a “toothless” sprag clutch ratchet.
In fairness, the ratchets on the 8510 are also superb. They are buttery smooth and a delight to use. The downside of the 8510 is the soft Santoprene handle. Sure, some folks might like them, but they are pretty useless for anything I might want to do.
The 8510 is currently being replaced by the 38510 and I think that’s probably a much better handle.
They make alot of there bars in Va Beach.I was servicing this today. Even the Germans know when to let the Japanese handle the manufacturing.
can you recommend me japanese pliers for electrical installation?
