let's see your craftsman block grinders

drivesitfar · Jun 22, 2014

I found this sander attached to what looks like a plastic block grinder. if i get it do any of you gentlemen that are a lot handier than i think the attachments might work on my 1/3 HP split phase block?

I should have it tomorrow, but if it's gone i'm still on the search for one. i couldn't get out of the Honey Do's today to drive a couple hours to pick this up.

thoughts?

jakemac · Jun 22, 2014

If it was made by a different manufacturer, then all bets are off. If it was made by the same company, then you might have some luck after a little fiddling.

Tyberius · Jun 22, 2014

UIUC-Mech-E said:
Awesome! Always good to see another one become part of the GJ community. Send pics when you get it home!

(Insert catchy saying here)

Finally got it home. Had to stop and watch the US in a crazy soccer (futbol) match against Portugal.

The lady was cleaning out some of her garage after the passing of her husband. The kids had been through the lot already. I came away with what was in the picture which was a beat up black and decker workmate a skilsaw table saw a small vice and the block.

Additionally I was able to get a few more interesting tools that were in a dresser drawer and a floor jack.

Now, I don't have a bd workmate, so if I can straighten this one out it can be useful. So I'll be looking for some help there.

I also only have one vice and do need another.

The table saw on the other hand, I'm not sure what to do with it. I like my rack and pinion dewalt for a small saw.

I'll post up some picks of these tools in the new tool arrivals thread.

Now on to the block.

Tyberius · Jun 22, 2014

Tyberius · Jun 23, 2014

So it looks like a replacement bottom plate, a missing right cover, a broken and missing left shields and pretty sketchy lamp.

My plans for this one is to mount up my buffing wheel and wire wheel that I now just swap out on my other grinder (so never really)

So missing shields and side covers won't be too bad.

balane · Jun 23, 2014

That looks like an original bottom plate to me. Many of them have that exact look.

drivesitfar · Jun 23, 2014

Tyberius: I agree with Balane that your block looks like it still has it's original bottom or base plate in the picture you posted. i would like to add that if you are going to put a buffing wheel on it you might want to put an extender on that end's arbor that is threaded (right or left depending on which side you put it on). otherwise the residue and buffing compound might creep easily inside your block for issues later with overheating or even catch on fire as an extreme case.

Jake: I think it's a Craftsman, but not sure same maker as our blocks. for $25 bucks i might give it a try and see how easy or difficult it really is because it would be a nice tool for my shop.

All: anybody do some killer restorations on something other than their blocks with their blocks that they can post a few pictures of???

macnewbie · Jun 23, 2014

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/tls/4533196878.html

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/tls/4534146434.html

McBrownie · Jun 23, 2014

macnewbie said:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/tls/4533196878.html

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A nice block, a Simplex vise, and a Prentss Bulldog for $250? I would expect a GJ member to gobble that up today. :eyecrazy:

drivesitfar · Jun 23, 2014

McB: I would also bet the current owner is either a GJ or Vintage forum member with the quality of the restorations. too far for a road trip for me, but all good items.

Tyberius · Jun 23, 2014

Tyberius said:

In looking at other pics of the 397 19430, it looks like I am also missing the quench tray.

What do others do with that hole if they don't have the tray?

jakemac · Jun 23, 2014

You can order a new tray here :
http://www.ereplacementparts.com/quench-tray-p-972856.html

McBrownie · Jun 23, 2014

The Copilot said:
I know this has been asked before, but the 1/2 hp Craftsman bench grinder that I just bought (garage sale) is missing two of the four rubber grommets that act as vibration dampners (see post #1 in this thread http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197482 for a pic of the part.)

I'm sure that I'm not the first to buy a grinder that was missing some or all of these. Just wondering how critical these are to have and are there other alternatives (rubber washers, rubber bushings, etc.) that work just as well since OEM replacement grommets seem to be unobtainable from Sears.

Post 2198 shows the parts that you can get at Lowe's. It can be tough finding 4 at one store, so some have ordered them online for store pickup.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157794&page=110

Also, check on this thread for all sorts of useful Block Grinder information:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249539

balane · Jun 23, 2014

I have two grinders of my own that I keep and use. Over time I've pirated parts off of them to put on grinders I sell. All of the rubber feet are now gone. What I did was to cut a square of rubber that matches the rectangular footprint of the grinder. Then I set the grinders on top of the rubber pads and run fasteners through the whole sandwich. It works great. This is 1/2" thick similar to what you might walk on in the lobby area of an ice skating rink.

nine4gmc · Jun 23, 2014

Drives, I would bet that the accessories do NOT fit the block grinders but if it was $40 or less, I'd buy it and try it. :beer:

RedVise · Jun 23, 2014

McBrownie said:
A nice block, a Simplex vise, and a Prentss Bulldog for $250? I would expect a GJ member to gobble that up today.

Thanks for putting the word out there !!

Quite the deal, Yes ! Step right up folks !!

Brian

balane · Jun 23, 2014

I found out that the quenching trays aren't universal fits. I know for a fact that trays from the newer, flat top grinders will not fit the older, round top ones. I didn't test the reverse personally but I have to believe that wouldn't work either so be careful what you buy.

jakemac · Jun 23, 2014

The Copilot said:
Thanks. I don't suppose you have the direct web link to this item on Lowe's website? I tried going to Lowes.com and putting in Hillman #884633. The product that comes up is a Hilliman rubber grommet but the profile looks different.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_423532-37672-884633_4294711046%2B5003693%2B5003696__?productId=4565085&Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_qty_sales_dollar%7C1&facetInfo=Less Than $1|$10 -$15

You can also use this Dayton 6-pack available at Zoro.
http://www.zoro.com/g/00008632/k-G2705507?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&kw=%7Bkeyword%7D&gclid=COiGg4-frL0CFTIV7AodFkEAcw

McBrownie · Jun 23, 2014

The Copilot said:
Thanks. I don't suppose you have the direct web link to this item on Lowe's website? I tried going to Lowes.com and putting in Hillman #884633. The product that comes up is a Hilliman rubber grommet but the profile looks different.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_423532-37672-884633_4294711046%2B5003693%2B5003696__?productId=4565085&Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_qty_sales_dollar%7C1&facetInfo=Less Than $1|$10 -$15

I don't have a link, but the grommet on you link does not look right. You could look through past posts, find the person who ordered online and PM them.

bczygan · Jun 23, 2014

The Copilot said:
Thanks. I don't suppose you have the direct web link to this item on Lowe's website? I tried going to Lowes.com and putting in Hillman #884633. The product that comes up is a Hilliman rubber grommet but the profile looks different.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_423532-37672-884633_4294711046%2B5003693%2B5003696__?productId=4565085&Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_qty_sales_dollar%7C1&facetInfo=Less Than $1|$10 -$15

That is a generic grommet photo (On the webpage) and doesn't look like the actual grommet, which looks much more like the Dayton part.

And it fits and works great.

macnewbie · Jun 23, 2014

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/4534491922.html

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/4535039303.html

McBrownie · Jun 23, 2014

balane said:
I found out that the quenching trays aren't universal fits. I know for a fact that trays from the newer, flat top grinders will not fit the older, round top ones. I didn't test the reverse personally but I have to believe that wouldn't work either so be careful what you buy.

I would like to understand about what fits and what doesn't. On eReplacements, I see what I consider to be the longer tray (7-8"?)with the "slanted" sides (P/N 4971780?). On pictures of older round tops, sometimes I see the shorter (5-6"?) straight side, or rectangular tray, and sometimes I see the eReplacement version.

If that makes any sense, what fits and what doesn't? Part numbers are probably in order.

macnewbie · Jun 23, 2014

one more

http://houston.craigslist.org/tls/4535767201.html

Super Sport · Jun 24, 2014

Well, when it rains it pours they say. I've been on the hunt for a block for some time now, and have always missed them. So about two weeks ago I finally got my hands on one, and then a week ago got my hands on another!

They're both 1/2 hp, but slightly different model numbers. They both are complete with light, drip tray, guards, rubber grommets, etc. The one is on a Craftsman stand and has the tool holder attachment, along with the original manuals. It's a little more used than the other one, but still in good condition.

And the best part, I'm out less than $100 for both! I'm a happy camper! :bounce:

jakemac · Jun 24, 2014

Send some of that rain my way, please. :drool:

drivesitfar · Jun 24, 2014

SS: I guess it's a YOU **** award and welcome to the group of block owners on GJ at the same time. i rarely give out that award, but 2 fully functional blocks with all their parts and the cool Craftsman stand for $100 is a screaming deal.

on a side note is that your bench and is that an 8 inch jaw Wilton Tradesman sitting there in all it's glory? if it is yours nice vise and nice shop. :bowdown:

McNewB: thanks again for not only posting the Craigs block grinders you find with your awesome search you do, but for also taking the time to post the pictures with the link. :thumbup:

McBrownie · Jun 24, 2014

I ran across this mount today and thought it might be of interest to the group:

http://www.trick-tools.com/Wall_Mount_Grinder_Pedestal_MT-WM_1281#.U6m9k5RdUYk

drivesitfar · Jun 24, 2014

McB: i still like the one you built better for your Dayton grinder that folds up under your bench, but thanks for sharing.

on the fabrication side of GJ Jon Jacobs is building racks for trailer hitches and his vises that would also work for grinders if you and others want to check it out.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246942

I probably need to buy up a bunch of steel and start making mounts for my vises and grinders with receiver holes on my benches so i can swap them out anytime i wish. its on the projects list and probably should put learning to weld first on the list since my 75 year old neighbor isn't getting any younger and he's the welder for all the guys in my alley now.

macnewbie · Jun 24, 2014

Today's hits

http://portland.craigslist.org/yam/tls/4536683846.html

and for the but-everything-is-super-expensive-in-the-bay-area department
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/4536765229.html

torqueman2002 · Jun 24, 2014

macnewbie said:
Today's hits

http://portland.craigslist.org/yam/tls/4536683846.html

"Price firm. No haggling."

Why do people put stuff on CL and not want to play by the 'rules'?

Come on now, just add 5 or 10 and then barter, everyone is happy then! :bounce:

$40 is a great price, BTW.

Super Sport · Jun 25, 2014

drivesitfar said:
SS: I guess it's a YOU **** award and welcome to the group of block owners on GJ at the same time. i rarely give out that award, but 2 fully functional blocks with all their parts and the cool Craftsman stand for $100 is a screaming deal.

on a side note is that your bench and is that an 8 inch jaw Wilton Tradesman sitting there in all it's glory? if it is yours nice vise and nice shop.

Yes that is a 8" Wilton. If I tell you what I paid for that, I'm sure you'll give me another "You ****!" I almost resold it since I have no need for a vise that big, but it's just so bad *** that I couldn't part with it. It's been sitting on the step into the house for months, and I finally moved it up onto the bench. I'm on the hunt for a stand for it now!

I knew I'd get a block sooner or later, but the stand is what I'm most excited about! I don't have a good bench to mount it to right now, and all of the cheap stands you can buy new are just ****. If I could weld it would be a lot easier!

McBrownie · Jun 25, 2014

The Copilot said:
Has anyone here bought one of these replacement eye shield kits to know whether or not it will are compatible with a 1/2 HP Craftsman grinder model 397-19340 (late 1970s vintage)?
http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2

Here's another potential option:
http://www.ereplacementparts.com/eye-shield-p-973798.html
Made for a different model frinder, but not sure if it will fit.

The grinder I just acquired is missing both eye shields and the bolts/nuts that attach them to the grinder. Is there a better option out there for replacment eye shields on this grinder?

Refer to the eye shields in post #2287 above (page 115 of this thread). This is the exact same model grinder that I have and need eye shields for.

FYI, I will be posting the Dayton replacement eye shields that I got from Grainger along with my fabricated brackets and bolt sizes later this week. It was a surprising amount of fiddly work.

torqueman2002 · Jun 25, 2014

The Copilot said:
Has anyone here bought one of these replacement eye shield kits to know whether or not it will are compatible with a 1/2 HP Craftsman grinder model 397-19340 (late 1970s vintage)?
http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2

Here's another potential option:
http://www.ereplacementparts.com/eye-shield-p-973798.html
Made for a different model frinder, but not sure if it will fit.

The grinder I just acquired is missing both eye shields and the bolts/nuts that attach them to the grinder. Is there a better option out there for replacment eye shields on this grinder?

Refer to the eye shields in post #2287 above (page 115 of this thread). This is the exact same model grinder that I have and need eye shields for.

Take a look at http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465 {08-24-2013, 06:01 PM #465 of this thread}

More on eye shields here --> http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Grinders-Why-the-Fuss {post 2, near bottom}

torqueman2002 · Jun 25, 2014

balane said:
I found out that the quenching trays aren't universal fits. I know for a fact that trays from the newer, flat top grinders will not fit the older, round top ones. I didn't test the reverse personally but I have to believe that wouldn't work either so be careful what you buy.

There are measured pictures of both here --> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4000528&postcount=2

I'll try to remember and try the 'round' top Q-tray on a 'flat' top Block grinder.

rickhigginshtbr · Jun 25, 2014

Philly People: If this was older, I'd snag it.... but really don't need it at the moment...
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4514667199.html

McBrownie · Jun 26, 2014

torqueman2002 said:
There are measured pictures of both here --> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4000528&postcount=2

I'll try to remember and try the 'round' top Q-tray on a 'flat' top Block grinder.

Why did I forget that was all there? :dunno:

That would be great if you try a mix and match.

Thanks!

McBrownie · Jun 26, 2014

rickhigginshtbr said:
Philly People: If this was older, I'd snag it.... but really don't need it at the moment...
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4514667199.html

It all depends what you mean by old. My guess is that this grinder is around 30 years old. In that condition for $100 and 1HP, I think it is a heck of a deal. Between this one and the SF 1/2HP posted earlier this week that has apparently spent it's whole life indoors, you could start a Block Grinder museum.

rickhigginshtbr · Jun 26, 2014

I have a '68 1/3HP and a '72 1/2HP, so around that time frame, or one of those older brown ones, is what i'm after.

Itinerant · Jun 26, 2014

rickhigginshtbr said:
Philly People: If this was older, I'd snag it.... but really don't need it at the moment...
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/4514667199.html

In case anyone else is interested, it's at a consignment store and they will not ship it.

McBrownie · Jun 26, 2014

Itinerant said:
In case anyone else is interested, it's at a consignment store and they will not ship it.

TM needs to contact them and ask if they would be interested in keeping their $90 table and only shipping their $10 grinder. :evil:

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