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Craftsman Block motor Bench Grinders - What's the Fuss (with resource information)

torqueman2002

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Due to a complete system failure at other sites, some of the threads, as well as pictures are not active/available. I regret the inconvenience.


Other CM Block grinder related threads:
"let's see your craftsman block grinders"
http://tinyurl.com/let-s-see-CM-block-grinders
"Vintage Craftsman "Block Motor" bench grinder info -"
http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-motor-style-grinders
"Craftsman Block motor Bench Grinders - Restorations"
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325578
What is a Block grinder?
Important Update: March 24, 2020
<< I thought the other places refer to the block grinder as the ones with center band and end bells that look like a cube.
The prior aluminum ones have end bells shaped like a tombstone, or mailbox as you've mentioned. These should not be confused with "block grinder".
The aluminum tombstone/mailbox shaped grinders were patterned from the earlier 6" and 7" cast iron machines.

I don't think there's any question on manufacturers or dates (below is a thumbnail):
1954: Post-WWII Craftsman 7"x1" (with built in bulbs) & Dunlap 6"x3/4" grinders replaced by Packard built cast iron tombstone/mailbox shaped 6" & 7" grinders.
1961: Transition from centrifugal switch to relay and source code to Delco.
1964: Delco aluminum body tombstone/mailbox shaped 6" & 7" grinders replace the cast iron machines.
1969: 8"x1" grinder introduced.
~1975: Block shape designs replace the tombstone/mailbox style. Vibration improved with reinforced endbells.
~1981: Paramount source code replaces Delco.
~1984: Paramount minor changes to Delco block designs. 3-phase 8"x1" model introduced.
1990: Import grinder designs replace ball bearing models.>> per
Brian Kachadurian, OWWM http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=212610&p=1503646#p1503540

"... the classic Craftsman bench grinders that were manufactured for Sears by Paramount/Allegretti & Co. from the early 1960's to early 1980's. Affectionately known as "Block Motor" grinders because of their unique shape, these power tools have developed a large following among shop enthusiasts because of their legendary reliability, accuracy, and power.

The "Block Motor" grinder can be readily identified by the Sears manufacturer prefix of 397 or 257 (as in 397.XXXXX); which is stamped on the front label. Popular models include 1/4-HP, 1/3-HP, 1/2-HP, 3/4-HP, and 1-HP Industrial units.
"
Link to: "Vintage Craftsman "Block Motor" bench grinder info -" (source)
http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-motor-style-grinders

"People always want to know what makes these things {CM Block grinders} so special; here's the reason. Look at those field windings. That is some VERY thick copper wire. When compared to a modern Chinese winding, these look GIGANTIC. The imports use very thin field wire. This is what makes these "block motors" so darn powerful and long lasting." Source - http://tinyurl.com/0-5-HP-CM-Block-Motor-FINISHED

There are different styles of Block grinders, here a few.
Early round top models ('mail box' style, some call them)

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6" 1/4-HP m-397.19501
With CM CI stand.
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6" 1/3-HP m-397.19580
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A pair of 6" 1/3-HP Blocks
m-397.19410 on left, m-397.19580 on right.
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397.19410 has an 'electric brake'.
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7" 1/2-HP m-397.19590
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8" 3/4-HP m-397.19670
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Later flat top models.

6" 1/3-HP m-397.19391
Correct plastic eye shields, CM CI stand, and CM tool sharpening attachment.
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11539-C.jpg


3/4-HP m-397.19350
Before restore.
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After
Note: Eye shields are from earlier round top model, power switch replaced with non-OEM.
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1-HP m-257.191600
Before restoration.
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After.
Note: Tool rests donated from 1/2 H.P. Model - 397.19470.
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8" 1-HP m-257.191600
Showing HD base with quench tray and correct 3-piece tool rest, tool rest shaft.
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Industrial and Commercial versions of the Block grinders.
"General speaking, the commercial grinders are rated for industrial use and dual voltage. The non-commercial grinders are usually single voltage 6" and some 7" for homeowner use." per Brian Kachadurian on OWWM.

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6" 1/3-HP m-397.19580 Industrial Rated
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7" 1/2-HP m-397.19440 Commercial
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7" 1/2-HP m-397.19460 Commercial
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8" 3/4-HP m-397.19670 Commercial
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8" 3/4-HP m-397.19451 Commercial
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"When Sears switched the 8" grinder to guard mounted tool rests in the 1980s, they look like the ones below.
Note: The stamped steel arms are basically the same as on some of the 7" grinders.
" per Brian Kachadurian on OWWM.

8" 1-HP m-257.192190 Industrial
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Grinder Safety

'Ring Test' - Checking grinding stones for hidden cracks.
Important - The 'Ring Test' is primarily applicable to vitrified bonded wheels.
http://tinyurl.com/Grinding-Wheel-RingTest-Norton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NDtL4gisZYo

"How to Perform a Ring Test on a Grinding Wheel." - pdf file.
http://www.nortonindustrial.com/upl...ents/Safety - Ring Test a Grinding Wheels.pdf

Grinder Safety
Note: Has good set-up and operation guidelines.
http://tinyurl.com/Pratice-Safe-Wire-Wheeling

Norton Grinding Do's and Don'ts
https://tinyurl.com/Norton-Dos-Donts

Grinder & Abrasive Wheel Gory Safety Training from SafetyVideos.com

Grinder Basics
'Introduction to the bench grinder, a machinists tips and tricks'
{Crazy music, but good grinder information.}
{Go to end for more good videos - B&W Machine Tools}

Grinding Wheel Failures Can Lead To Serious Injury Or Death
http://www.georgiainjurylawyerblog.com/2009/05/grinding_wheel_failures_can_le.html

Grinding on the Side of the Wheel?
http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/f19/grinding-side-wheel-8635/

Use aluminum oxide wheels for all types of steels.

Use silicon carbide green wheels for tungsten cabide and non-ferrous metals such as brass, bronze and aluminum.

If you grind non ferrous metal on the same stone, then dressing the stone before reverting to ferrous is a must.

Old grinding stones | Are they safe to use?
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=357111

Blotters... What Good Are They?
http://magna-matic.com/pdf/norton/Safety - Blotters - What Good Are They.pdf

The daily grind: Test your knowledge on grinder safety
http://www.reliableplant.com/Read/26801/daily-grind-test-knowledge-safety

Bench Grinder Basics - March 1990 Popular Mechanics.
http://tinyurl.com/79k26ma

As always, comments, suggestions, corrections, links to Block grinders are welcome.:beer:
 
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Grinder Colors
Rust-Oleum® Hammered dark bronze and hammered copper
http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=103920&hilit=craftsman+grinder+paint

True Value bronze
http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=132919&p=891511&hilit=craftsman+grinder+paint#p891511

True Value XO Rust Bronze and a couple coats of clear
http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=137964

Rust-Oleum® hammered paint -- silver and copper tones
http://tinyurl.com/0-5-HP-CM-Block-Motor-Colors

[Gray] Dupli-Color Truck & Van Paint T 267 Smoke M
http://www.owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93811#p641295

PlastiKote - rebuilders cast for the dark gray and Eastwoods wheel paint - silver argent for the silver parts.
02-06-2013, 07:00 PM
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2891453&postcount=222

Rust-Oleum® Black and Silver Hammertone and Safety Red
05-25-2013, 12:29 PM
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3132309&postcount=291

Rust-Oleum® Black and Gold Hammertone
06-18-2013, 09:01 PM
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3182800&postcount=306

Rust-Oleum® hammertone black base and gray pole - stand.
06-26-2013, 08:56 PM
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3200276&postcount=316

X-O Rust Bronze XOP32 125798 and Rust-Oleum® Pro Dark Brown 7548
03-12-2015, 03:53 PM
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4711225&postcount=4729

Rust-Oleum® Oasis Blue enamel.
05-23-2015, 11:58 PM
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4877395&posted=1#post4877395

CM Block motor style grinder
http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Motor-Grinders
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 07:50:25 AM » goodfellow
A point of clarification. Sears sold many "block motor" designed grinders from several manufacturers, but the block design must be considered secondary. Of primary concern is the manufacturer.

The best engineered, most durable, and desirable "Block Motor" grinders were made by Paramount/Allegretti & Co.

These grinders have the 397 or 257 serial number prefixes.

Overall, the "Block Motor" designs were also made by Rixon, Royal, and B&D -- just to name a few.

These grinders do not have the higher quality field windings and castings that the Paramount/Allegretti units had.

http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Motor-Grinders
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2012, 10:15:50 AM » toolguybak
Source code 115 is Packard Electric (Division of General Motors), which included Sunlight Electric Motors (and grinders) back in the 1930s.

Source code 257 covers Allegretti & Co and Paramount, who continued the Delco models for Sears.

Source code 397 is Delco (Division of General Motors).

http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Motor-Grinders
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2012, 02:14:56 PM » toolguybak
The Packard Electric grinders (115) have the centrifugal starting switch on the rotor, like their regular motors.

The centrifugal switch is a pair of weights connected by springs, that slide an actuating sleeve.

The actuating sleeve engages or disengages a contact ring mounted on the end bell for the start windings, based on rpm.

The Delco grinders (397) and subsequent 257s have a starting relay instead.

I believe all of the 6" grinders were split-phase.
Some of the 7"x¾" grinders were split-phase.
Almost everything else was capacitor start.

General speaking, the commercial grinders are rated for industrial use and dual voltage.

The non-commercial grinders are usually single voltage 6" and some 7" for homeowner use.

Wire Diagrams
3/4-HP m-397.19450 115V 230V
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1-HP m-257.192190 Wire Diagram
257.192190%201%20HP%20Grinder%20Wire%20Diagram.jpg

More diagrams here.--> http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/CM 009 Wiring Schematics

Induction Motors

Electric Motors Fundamentals
039. How Motors Work For Beginners: Single Phase Induction and Shaded Pole Motors


Induction Motors EXPLAINED! | Power Factor and Failure Analysis

Introduction To Motors Series (for Beginners)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4njCTv7IRbw82wJBDt3empXSMzYa7sUB


<a href="<iframe width=" 560"="" height="315" src="
" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="">AC Induction Motor Fundamentals | Microchip AN887 - Author: Rakesh Parekh
pdf - download
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/qex9565" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/qex9565" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/qex9565" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/qex9565" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/qex9565" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/qex9565" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/qex9565<a href="http://tinyurl.com/qex9565" target="_blank">
Cap%20Start%20AC%20Induction%20Motor.jpg

Note: Some motors use a relay, in place of a mechanical centrifugal switch.

1 and 3-phase
<a href="http://www.slideshare.net/josephsathvik/induction-motors-48218864" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/josephsathvik/induction-motors-48218864" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/josephsathvik/induction-motors-48218864" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/josephsathvik/induction-motors-48218864" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/josephsathvik/induction-motors-48218864" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/josephsathvik/induction-motors-48218864" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/josephsathvik/induction-motors-48218864" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/josephsathvik/induction-motors-48218864

Motor Schematics/Diagrams | PB-SlideShow
<a href="http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Motor Schematics Diagrams" target="_blank"><a href="http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Motor Schematics Diagrams" target="_blank"><a href="http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Motor Schematics Diagrams" target="_blank"><a href="http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Motor Schematics Diagrams" target="_blank"><a href="http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Motor Schematics Diagrams" target="_blank"><a href="http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Motor Schematics Diagrams" target="_blank"><a href="http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Motor Schematics Diagrams" target="_blank">http://s786.photobucket.com/user/torqueman2002/slideshow/Motor Schematics Diagrams

Electric Motor Parts
Electric motor parts: Wave Washers, Finger Springs, Capacitors, Terminals & Adapters, Relays /Klixon
<a href="http://www.carbonbrush.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.carbonbrush.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.carbonbrush.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.carbonbrush.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.carbonbrush.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.carbonbrush.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.carbonbrush.com/" target="_blank">http://www.carbonbrush.com/
<a href="http://eurtonelectric.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://eurtonelectric.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://eurtonelectric.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://eurtonelectric.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://eurtonelectric.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://eurtonelectric.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://eurtonelectric.com/" target="_blank">http://eurtonelectric.com/

Centrifugal Switches and Mechanisms

<a href="http://www.torq.com/motor-and-switch-replacement-parts.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.torq.com/motor-and-switch-replacement-parts.html" target="_blank">http://www.torq.com/motor-and-switch-replacement-parts.html
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Replacement Parts

Quench trays

Small (p/n: 3160351)
Large (p/n: 4971780)


Bearings (see notes 1, 4)
Ordering Bearings From Accurate Bearing - Please read.
<a href="http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322" target="_blank"><a href="http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322" target="_blank"><a href="http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322" target="_blank"><a href="http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322" target="_blank"><a href="http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322" target="_blank"><a href="http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322" target="_blank"><a href="http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322" target="_blank">http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322
<a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/NTN Cross-Reference" target="_blank">NTN Cross-Reference


Eye Shields
Plastic Eye Shield Clean-Up
<a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5299472#post5299472" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5299472#post5299472" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5299472#post5299472" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5299472#post5299472" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5299472#post5299472" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5299472#post5299472" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5299472#post5299472" target="_blank">http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5299472#post5299472

Grinder Eye Shields: Polycarbonate or Safety Glass?
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/Eye-Shield-Glass" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/Eye-Shield-Glass" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/Eye-Shield-Glass" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/Eye-Shield-Glass" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/Eye-Shield-Glass" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/Eye-Shield-Glass" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/Eye-Shield-Glass" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/Eye-Shield-Glass

Eye Shield Kit, Bench Grinder, Replacement
08-24-2013, 06:01 PM #465
<a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465" target="_blank">http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3323239&postcount=465

$18.25/ pair (01/03/2016)
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005YSH7HC/?tag=atomicindus08-20" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005YSH7HC/?tag=atomicindus08-20" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005YSH7HC/?tag=atomicindus08-20" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005YSH7HC/?tag=atomicindus08-20" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005YSH7HC/?tag=atomicindus08-20" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005YSH7HC/?tag=atomicindus08-20" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005YSH7HC/?tag=atomicindus08-20" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005YSH7HC/?tag=atomicindus08-20

$15.08 / pair (01/03/2016)
<a href="http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2" target="_blank">http://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Eye-Shield-KIt-5PZP2

Replacement wheel flanges
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Nuts-Bolts-Flanges" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Nuts-Bolts-Flanges" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Nuts-Bolts-Flanges" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Nuts-Bolts-Flanges" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Nuts-Bolts-Flanges" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Nuts-Bolts-Flanges" target="_blank"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Nuts-Bolts-Flanges" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-Nuts-Bolts-Flanges

Grinder Feet Replacement Options and Considerations

Grainger
(Rubber Grommet Kit: 11/16 in_7/8 in Outside Dia, 1/4 in Inside Dia, 6 PK Item # 2MEV3 Mfr. Model # 2MEV3 UNSPSC # 26101805 ) https://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Rubber-Grommet-Kit-11-16-in-2MEV3?internalSearchTerm=Rubber+Grommet+Kit,For+Use+With+Motor+Mounting+Brackets,Package+Quantity+6&suggestConfigId=8
ZORO (Rubber Grommet Kit, Larger OD 7/8 In, PK6 Zoro #: G2705507 Mfr #: 2MEV3)
https://www.zoro.com/dayton-rubber-grommet-kit-larger-od-78-in-pk6-2mev3/i/G2705507/?q=G2705507

0f9b6baf-7d83-433f-9de8-3c9f03b314f8.jpg

Link to Puphound's post.
<a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4687072&postcount=4579" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4687072&postcount=4579" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4687072&postcount=4579" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4687072&postcount=4579" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4687072&postcount=4579" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4687072&postcount=4579" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4687072&postcount=4579" target="_blank">http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4687072&postcount=4579

Link to post: "GRINDER FEET REPLACEMENT OPTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS"
<a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4466342&postcount=3566" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4466342&postcount=3566" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4466342&postcount=3566" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4466342&postcount=3566" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4466342&postcount=3566" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4466342&postcount=3566" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4466342&postcount=3566" target="_blank">http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4466342&postcount=3566

Link to Zoro information/link.
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Felt Washers (see note 2)
Part Number: 534316744
<a href="http://www.ereplacementparts.com/washer-660x-p-972845.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.ereplacementparts.com/washer-660x-p-972845.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.ereplacementparts.com/washer-660x-p-972845.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.ereplacementparts.com/washer-660x-p-972845.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.ereplacementparts.com/washer-660x-p-972845.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.ereplacementparts.com/washer-660x-p-972845.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.ereplacementparts.com/washer-660x-p-972845.html?q=534316744" target="_blank">http://www.ereplacementparts.com/washer-660x-p-972845.html?q=534316744
$2.48/ea July 10, 2015

<a href="http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part/search.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part/search.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part/search.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part/search.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part/search.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part/search.html?q=534316744" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part/search.html?q=534316744" target="_blank">http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part/search.html?q=534316744
$3.99/ea July 10, 2015

Stand, Rubber Feet
Bobioz1 - posted these rubber feet, April 12 2017. Thanks!Grainger p/n 18AL86 | $10.65/pk of 5 April 13, 2017
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Notes
I visited an electric motor rebuilder. I explained I was rebuilding a bench grinder and had some questions. Here are the highlights.
1) The original (and replacement) bearings are shielded. Sealed bearings are fine, both are designed to run within the grinder motor's range of 3580 R.P.M.
2) Felt washers have not been used for many years. They can be effectively cleaned and rinsed in a solvent like kerosene or paint thinner. Or made out of any felt material to the same dimensions.
Their function is to keep crud out of the bearings. They can be left out, if sealed bearings are used.
The felt washers are not needed for arbor assembly alignment, all electric motors seek their natural center when running.
3) The C shaped crescent external retaining ring, on the inboard side of the bearing {some applications. ie: 1-HP} can be replaced with a proper sized snap ring, clearance shouldn't be an issue.
4) All bearings will have an inner diameter (ID), an outside diameter (OD) and width (W). Bearings are sometimes referenced by these dimensions, in that order: ID x OD x W.
 
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Grinder Labels

PB Slide Show with CM labels & logos.http://s786.photobucket.com/user/tor...20006%20Labels

You are welcome to use them as-is, or to improve.

If anyone does make an improved version, please forward it to me for placement in the PB slide show.
ZIP files contain editable MS Word documents.
See attachments below.
Note - The font file {kroftsmann.regular.ttf} needs to be installed. It can be downloaded from the internet. http://www.dafont.com/kroftsmann.font

Grinder Labels (continued at bottom of page 5)

Link to sector9's great: "Craftsman Commercial Block Grinder label
3/4-HP m-397.19671" http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310883
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A big :thumbup:, to mbsinmich!

He created labels for a round top 1/3-HP m-397.19580 in .ai and .jpg formats.

For all files, use this DropBox link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2kmi4ik6k4ff5ou/AAAJ-qWY75biKXy9YQjRIzARa?dl=0
0.33%20HP%20m-397.19580%20fi%20a.jpg


Note: INDUSTRIAL RATED, label.
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The Adobe Illustrator format files (.ai), are high resolution vector files for best printing.
1. (Craft converted1High resolution.ai) & (Craft Industrial Converted High Resolution.ai)
Are correctly sized labels 3-1/8" X 2-5/8" with a silver background.

2. (Craft clear converted1 High Resolution.ai) & (Craft Industrial Clear Converted High Resolution.ai)
Are correctly sized labels 3-1/8" X 2-5/8" with a clear background.

3. (Craft clear short converted high resolution.ai) & Craft short Clear Industrial Converted High Reesolution.ai)
Are shortened labels 3" X 2-5/8" with a clear background. These are for printing on the "metallic" paper.
This is the longest size available at:
http://www.case-badges.com/metallic-rectangular-custom-labels-3-x-4-max-p-360.html
--these are the ones that would probably be best, as the 'brushed silver" background will show through.

4. (Craft short converted1high resolution.ai) & (Craft short Industrial Converted High Resolution.ai)
Are the same as #3 but with a silver background

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Pupuhd has also created and had printed on aluminum, labels for a round top 1/3-HP m-397.19580.
0.25%20HP%20397.19580%20pupuhd%20gj.jpg


Fi%20CM%20GRINDER%20TAG%20397_19580%20NON%20INDUSTRIAL.jpg


Fi%20CM%20GRINDER%20TAG%20397_19670%20GOLD.jpg


CM%20GRINDER%20TAG%20397.19410%20ON_OFF_BRAKE.jpg


For complete details, see his thread: "Machine Name Plate Tag Reproduction".
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323165

Machine Name Plate Tag Riveting
Machine Name Plate Tag Reproduction 03-17-2016, Post #37
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5605376&postcount=37
 

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Publication Re-prints

These publications include old catalogs, manuals, parts list and historical documents for many manufacturers.
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex...x?id=222&tab=3
Filter results by Publication Type: "Sanders/Grinders"
Find (ctrl+f): "Sears | Craftsman"

Keith Rucker, has posted a YouTube video: "Scanning Publication Reprints for the VintageMachinery.org Website.

The first 21 min of the 28 min video he demonstrates how he scans books.

At about 21:30, he then shows how to navigate and upload scanned documents on the VintageMachinery.org website.Photo Index by Machine Type

Select a Machine Type: "Grinder, Bench"
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/bytype.aspx & Submit
Find (ctrl+f): "Sears | Craftsman"

Rose Tools Scanned Catalog Archives
"Rose Tools put an extraordinary amount of time and effort into scanning the catalogs .... "
http://www.blackburntools.com/articl...ves/index.html

Sears, Roebuck and Co.
"Because there are 32 Sears catalogs in the archives, they are listed on a separate page."
http://www.blackburntools.com/articl...ars/index.html

Power Switch & Power Cords

Plastic/toggle style.
"CM Block Grinder power switch - replacements"
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=310418

"CM Block Grinder power switch - repair"
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=310516

Power Cords
Amazon - "Craftsman 1619X01570 Replacement Cord for Power Tools" 8'
NOTE: This cord is labeled 'BOSCH'. LOL


http://www.ereplacementparts.com/search_result.php?q=power%20cord&results_per_page=100&&afav=%7B%22236%22%3A3%7D

Relays, Start-Up Current

http://tinyurl.com/Block-Grinder-Start-Relays
http://tinyurl.com/StartUp-Relay-Current
http://www.sensata.com/klixon/motor-protector-4cr.htm

Capacitor Testing, Safe Discharging and Other Related Information

http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_captest.html#CAPTEST_001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRi5WTntirY
http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=169672
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMd9QkinXz4
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+to+choose+a+run+capacitor

Electric Motors
Single phase motor diagnostic 101
A Very good OWWM thread regarding "... practical information on figuring out how to wire up motors and switches ...".
http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69608

How to use Electronics Cleaners

Three Most Common Motor Fixes Any One Can Do

Properly Insulating Motor Connections
http://eecoonline.com/properly-insulating-motor-connections/

Rubber, Mastic and Specialty Tapes Application Guide
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/937488O/3m-rubber-mastic-specialty-tape-application-guide-lr-print.pdf

Here are links to a vintage 1-HP Century electric motor rebuild. While it is not a Craftsman or a Block grinder, it is an excellently documented restoration of a vintage motor with links to media blasting resources.

http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=167126
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=311993

Here is a link to FrankLee's excellent rebuild of a Craftsman ball-bearing model 115.19750, 1/3 HP, Split Phase and 1750 RPM Electric Motor.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=314803

This is a link to a CM Drill Press rebuild with great details on the electric motor.
http://www.owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=...1952+craftsman

Restoring an Old Electrical Motor
http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr...fpart=all&vc=1

Tool Rests; home made

http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=98707

http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?p=914533#p914533

Grinder Labels (continued from page 4)

Vintage Grinder Sticker Reproduction - mattblast's thread
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6401811&posted=1#post6401811

cajunfirehawk, April 15, 2017 -- For about $20 or under, you can take the artwork above and have a sheet of stickers made by -->
https://www.stickermule.com/?src=GO...HDoj8WXMfxdbVWf4zNGfm3daOdf7y3nSPUaArCo8P8HAQ
 

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As they used to say on "Laugh In"...

Velly eenteresting...

Thanks for posting this...

I now need a 1/2 hp "blockhead" grinder to go with my "Ever Elusive Craftsman 5198 Vise"...that I'm still looking for...
 

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Oldie:You'll have better luck finding the 1/2 HP block because we know they exist. one of these days the guys that have their 5198's on their grand dad's bench in the shop will start posting them for sale. we can only hope. also on the block grinder thread Tourqueman has started a wanted list for members if you want to be notified if one appears in the US.

TM:thanks again for making all the effort and taking the time to make these threads with all the information that you have gathered over the years. Also for being able to ad any new information that may not have been covered. YOU DA MAN!!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 

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As they used to say on "Laugh In"...

Velly eenteresting...

Thanks for posting this...

I now need a 1/2 hp "blockhead" grinder to go with my "Ever Elusive Craftsman 5198 Vise"...that I'm still looking for...

You need to complete that:

Velly eenteresting.... But shtoopid.

Not that block grinders are shtoopid. I'm trying to be Laugh-in historically accurate. :p
 

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I now need a 1/2 hp "blockhead" grinder to go with my "Ever Elusive Craftsman 5198 Vise"...that I'm still looking for...

For those not in the know, oldldh is on a quest. The craftsman 5198 is the white whale of vises. I would say the white whale of block grinders would be a 1HP with the electronic brake feature - assuming that model was ever offered. The story behind the 5198 is that it appeared in a catalog at one point, but apparently has never been seen by human eyes. What is the rarest of the rare of block grinders?
 
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Brought this post from previous thread--> "Craftsman Block motor Bench Grinder - resources"

I am glad all-you-all (did I use that correctly, the Syracuse NY raised guy asks) find it helpful.

I have a number of other types of links to add, but feel free to PM me with suggestions & links.

My initial thought is to put all the links in the 1st post, with continuous updates. If it turns out we (I) need to tweak where the links are posted, that's OK. Feel free to make suggestions.

Future types of links, in no particular priority (please, suggest an order if there should be one):
  • Labels and Badges - need to have a way to upload files for sharing
  • OWWM threads on motor capacitors, Pulleys and Belts
  • Spring washers & Capacitors
  • Pulleys and Belts with Belt Pulley calculator
  • Single phase motor diagnostic 101 and schematics - 1Ø Split Phase Motors
  • Fluke site that can be helpful with diagnosing motors & capacitors.
  • Trouble shooting single-phase motors & capacitors
  • Trouble shooting 3Ø motors
  • buffing supply site
  • Publication Reprints (Owner's Manuals with Part Numbers)
  • fuse info.
  • Rubber Bumpers (Feet)
  • Grinding Wheel Flanges, Arbor Nuts, Machine Screws
  • Quench Tray Info.
  • Eye Shield Info.
  • Links to Rebuilds/Refreshes/Restores
 

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Probably the most elusive grinder is that 8" 1 HP version with the extended armatures. That's the one I'd like to stumble across. At least we know that one actually exists.

BTW TM, the new thread looks good!
 
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BLASPHEMY ! BURN THE HERETIC !! :eek:

:lol_hitti
I can't light the fire, as I live in a glass house! Wait, no I mean ,,,, You'll have to Tar me with the same brush, ... No, that's not it either, ..... :confused:

Let's bring him into the fold, he does ask about a Block.

Or, I maybe able to unloa..., ahem, sell him a B&D grinder for 1/2 the cost of the 1 in his CL ad.
 

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I can't light the fire, as I live in a glass house! Wait, no I mean ,,,, You'll have to Tar me with the same brush, ... No, that's not it either, ..... :confused:

Let's bring him into the fold, he does ask about a Block.

Or, I maybe able to unloa..., ahem, sell him a B&D grinder for 1/2 the cost of the 1 in his CL ad.

Lol. Thanks for the link. I did a quick search and didn't come up with a ton.
 
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TM: humor aside which i truly do like by the way. would you say the B & D look alike is similar to the plastic blocks that we pass on for $5?

by the way did you ever find a spot for that awesome switch you got with the B & D?

Happy New year to all my GJ friends and future lurking friends that are yet to join. :thumbup:
 
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TM: humor aside which i truly do like by the way. would you say the B & D look alike is similar to the plastic blocks that we pass on for $5?

by the way did you ever find a spot for that awesome switch you got with the B & D?

Happy New year to all my GJ friends and future lurking friends that are yet to join. :thumbup:
I'll have to open up the m-257.190470 to compare.
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I haven't used this guy in so long, I can't remember why the LH wheel guard is off. :shocking:

It was certainly well before I got grinder religion and safety training.

I just noticed, it has the original rubber feet. That just raised the value by 3x! :bounce:

The Sensing-Saf-Start switch is in the que. I'm thinking about a power strip in series with it, then plugging in the grinders to the power strip. I need to work out a good placement for the emergency OFF switch. Central and easy to reach from the grinders.

Happy & Safe New Years. :thumbup:
 
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Here's my best guess on the plastic bodied CM prefix model 257. grinders.

It depends on the manufacture date.
What is a Block grinder?
"... the classic Craftsman bench grinders that were manufactured for Sears by Paramount/Allegretti & Co. from the early 1960's to early 1980's. Affectionately known as "Block Motor" grinders because of their unique shape, these power tools have developed a large following among shop enthusiasts because of their legendary reliability, accuracy, and power.

The "Block Motor" grinder can be readily identified by the Sears manufacturer prefix of 397 or 257 (as in 397.XXXXX); which is stamped on the front label. Popular models include 1/4HP, 1/3HP, 1/2HP, 3/4HP, and 1.0HP Industrial units.
"
Link to: "Vintage Craftsman "Block Motor" bench grinder info -" (source)
http://tinyurl.com/CM-Block-motor-style-grinders

I bought the above m-257.190470 Vari Speed 1/3 HP grinder in July 1987. That said, it is not within the Block grinder 'window'.

I'll start another thread for it and put the link below.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4509208#post4509208
 
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I sent OWWM/Vintagemachinery moderator Brian Kachadurian an eMail about the plastic bodied CM grinder manufactures.

Here's his reply:

{{Hi Mike,

Happy New Year!

397 is Delco (Division of GM)

257 is Paramount/Allegretti & Co.

The composite body grinders with sleeve bearings were less costly than the die cast aluminum construction ball bearing machines. IIRC, there are no common parts between the two constructions. Even the rubber base bushings had a different part number, but still work in a pinch. It was a marketing thing to offer grinders at several price points.

Hope this helps.
Brian}}

There we have it from the go-to-guy, in my opinion, for CM grinders.

I say that the CM m-257.190470 Vari Speed 1/3 HP grinder is NOT a Block grinder.

I reserve judgement on the other plastic bodied CM m-257.xxxxx grinders.
 

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I just saw this thread. I already posted in the other thread under vintage tools. Ill post it here to. I just picked this block grinder up today.
 

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What do you think

Hmmmmmmm .......... an 8" underpowered 1/2hp import, or an 8" true 1HP classic that will eat chinese for breakfast and spit out fortune cookies ?

I'm not quite sure. :lol_hitti
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I just saw this thread. I already posted in the other thread under vintage tools. Ill post it here to. I just picked this block grinder up today. I was thinking of swapping out my Delta 8 inch, 1/2Hp Taiwan grinder for this one. What do you think

What part of "No Brainer" don't you get? :see: :lol:


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Does anyone know where I can purchase a replacement toggle switch for a Craftsman Grinder, model 397.19391? The switch, part number 4984992, is no longer available and it seems as if it was used on many models of that generation. Any help would be appreciated.

Edit: I Found a switch on Zoro.com. The part number is G0473916 at $10.60.
I will have to increase the existing opening about .100 for the switch to fit.
 
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Gentlemen I need a little help. I picked up this great little 1/4 HP block head for $20. It runs great (smooth and quiet) however it was missing the one of the arbor nuts on the right side. I don't have a set of thread pitch gauges so I was hoping someone could help me determine the nut size needed. Thanks in advance.





Also does the 1 55 on the name plate indicate a January 1955 manufacture date?

Cheers,
Jeremy
 

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Jeremy: i'm sure if you post this on the block thread it might get a better answer even though it isn't a block. since you already own a block grinder you are exempt from the normal rituals and hand slapping so post this picture and a few others over there to see what the experts say.

i'm far from the expert, but i do own a couple grinders as you might know. i'd say it's a 1/2 inch arbor and I've started double nutting my wheels instead of just using the one to make it a little easier to tighten and a lot easier to loosen and take a wheel off.

good luck
 

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If it's a 1/2" arbor, then it should be a 1/2-20 nut. Fairly common at the local hardware store. If it had been the left side then it might be harder to find.
 

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Jeremy: i'm sure you know that all bench grinders have right and left threaded nuts so if the other side you'd need to find a left handed threaded nut is what Jake is saying. this post is more for other members that haven't changed a wheel on their bench grinder or have bought a new bench grinder owner that doesn't know some tools have to be tightened counter clockwise and loosened clockwise.

good luck
 
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Added: SlideShow Link to More (wiring) diagrams, Page 1
July 11, 2015
Updated: Eye Shield information, Page 3
Added: Felt Washer information, Page 3
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I wanted to take a moment to thank TM for spending the time to put this thread together and supplying all the info that it includes. I'm just finding this thread and having 2 1/3 block grinders this thread will be invaluable if I need anything for these grinders and future ones I might purchase.
 
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I wanted to take a moment to thank TM for spending the time to put this thread together and supplying all the info that it includes. I'm just finding this thread and having 2 1/3 block grinders this thread will be invaluable if I need anything for these grinders and future ones I might purchase.
You are welcome.

It keeps me out of the bars. :beer:
 
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