Packard Built Rolls Royce Merlin Tool Kit AT9368

snapmom · Sep 15, 2017

I have been trying to finish this set for some time. I doubt if I will ever finish. Most of the tools are Whitworth, made by several USA tools companies. Snap on, Bonney, Armstrong, Plomb, and others made tools for these kits. There were several kits for this engine, P51 also I think the PT boats may have had a kit. I believe this was the largest one.
So if you have any tools for this kit, holler at me. They all have model numbers AT****. What I need. Comb wrenches AT8048, 8065, Sing Open E. AT8066, 8067, 8068, 9243. Spanners AT8061. DOE AT8053. Sockets AT9209, 9217, Tee AT8021, Adjustable AT8029, Feeler AT8036, Misc AT8020 8030

woody 73 · Sep 15, 2017

Wow good job, I will keep my eyes open for any missing tools that you might need.

Provincial · Sep 15, 2017

Packard built PT boat engines, but they were not Merlins. The Packard 4M-2500 was a marine version of an aircraft engine Packard tried to sell to the US military during the 1930's. It had predcessors in the 1920's, but was always too heavy and unreliable for aircraft use. None of the Packard-designed engines use Whitworth fasteners.

Nice collection. There are still some people left who use these to keep Merlins running!

BTW, the AT- designation was used on several other brand engines, so just because one sees an AT- tool, it isn't necessarily a Merlin tool. For instance, all Fairchild Ranger tools have an AT- prefix, but they all seem to also be marked "Ranger" as well.

Rileysan · Sep 15, 2017

Subscribed. I will keep my eye out!

Brian

LXCam · Sep 15, 2017

Wow that's cool. I'll have to ask my older then dirt retired machinist neighbor what he may have laying around. His collection of old tool is utterly amazing.

Mike maker · Sep 15, 2017

I went through my oddball wrench drawer and though I did not have what you need, I found wrenches by Bonney, Barcalo, fairmont Cleveland, Armstrong, smith's, herbrand, pierce arrow, ford & other stuff that I have yet to identify. Had not been in that bucket for 20 years. That was fun.

d42jeep · Sep 16, 2017

I believe that I may have a Barcalo combo with an AT marking on one side but it'll be a few weeks before I can check the Barcalo shrine. I've made a note to look for it and I'll let yet you know.
-Don

VocaTexas · Sep 16, 2017

Provincial said:
Packard built PT boat engines, but they were not Merlins. The Packard 4M-2500 was a marine version of an aircraft engine Packard tried to sell to the US military during the 1930's. It had predcessors in the 1920's, but was always too heavy and unreliable for aircraft use. None of the Packard-designed engines use Whitworth fasteners.

Nice collection. There are still some people left who use these to keep Merlins running!

BTW, the AT- designation was used on several other brand engines, so just because one sees an AT- tool, it isn't necessarily a Merlin tool. For instance, all Fairchild Ranger tools have an AT- prefix, but they all seem to also be marked "Ranger" as well.

You're partly right:

http://www.tested.com/art/makers/49...mass-produced-britains-hand-built-powerhouse/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_V-1650_Merlin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_V-1650_Merlin

Provincial · Sep 17, 2017

VocaTexas, I read the attached articles you posted, and found nothing that contradicted anything I stated. The Packard Merlin was not a Packard-designed engine - it was a Rolls Royce designed engine modified (with the participation and approval of RR) for mass production.

I got my information on US PT boat engines here:
http://www.ptboats.org/20-01-05-ptboat-008.html

I suppose the British put some Merlins in fast boats, but that is another issue.

Farmer J. · Sep 17, 2017

Good thread, and that's a lovely looking toolkit Snapmom.

The movie in the link http://www.tested.com/art/makers/492...lt-powerhouse/ mentions the use of Rolls Royce Merlin engines in English boats near the end at 26:10

I'm going to have a good look through my 'old spanner box' later and see if any of them have an AT part number, and will be keeping an eye out for them.

Ratchet. · Sep 17, 2017

Will keep an eye out over here, lots of USA made whitworth stuff turning up at the moment, inc some new old stock, only tool I've got myself that has the any AT- prefix is a 3/8 plomb combination spanner that also has Ranger on it,

Been watching this AT- prefixed Plomb socket marked as for Packard Merlin engine for a while but its not on your list:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NOS-PACKA...680831?hash=item283e864d3f:g:wEMAAOSwQjZXQN7C

M-technik-3 · Sep 17, 2017

Talked to one of my buddies that does restorations and has a set and spare but is not interested in selling any of his tools at present time.

snapmom · Sep 17, 2017

I have some extra pieces, if anyone needs.

Dave455 · Sep 17, 2017

Snapmom - great project, and very worthwhile, but I suspect you may struggle to complete it!

The U.K. is a great source of Whitworth tools, even American made ones, as many American firms made tools destined for these shores, both before and during, the war.

I have Whitworth tools by Blackhawk, Williams, Armstrong, Bonney and even Snap On that were purchased by my Grandfather. Most are pre war, but a fair number are wartime manufacture.

Many others abound, so worth keeping an eye on U.K. ebay. While you may not find many AT marked tools, You might find some of the same tools without the markings, which might be better than nothing!

gregaz · Sep 17, 2017

This is beyond awesome! Unfortunately that is all I have to contribute.

ttpete · Sep 18, 2017

Provincial said:
Packard built PT boat engines, but they were not Merlins. The Packard 4M-2500 was a marine version of an aircraft engine Packard tried to sell to the US military during the 1930's. It had predcessors in the 1920's, but was always too heavy and unreliable for aircraft use. None of the Packard-designed engines use Whitworth fasteners.

Nice collection. There are still some people left who use these to keep Merlins running!

BTW, the AT- designation was used on several other brand engines, so just because one sees an AT- tool, it isn't necessarily a Merlin tool. For instance, all Fairchild Ranger tools have an AT- prefix, but they all seem to also be marked "Ranger" as well.

The 4M series engines were designed as strictly marine units and the only things that were in common with the aircraft engine were the displacement and the fact that both were V-12's. There was also a 4M-3300, but it wasn't really adopted.

The 1M-2500 was the engine that was a converted 1A-2500 aircraft engine and was used by boat racers. Gar Wood's Miss America X used four of them that were supercharged.

Provincial · Sep 19, 2017

Wikipedia implies that the 4M-2500 was developed from the 1A-2500. I was wrong about the 1930's (although I know that Packard was still flogging the aircraft version to the Air Corps after 1930, without success), but the marine version was able to increase durability because of the use of heavier materials. By the time the 4M- came around, Packard had made major changes to the design, but it was still an evolution, rather than a new design.

The aircraft branch of the design was a dead end, but the marine branch was a success.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_1A-2500

ttpete · Sep 19, 2017

Provincial said:
Wikipedia implies that the 4M-2500 was developed from the 1A-2500. I was wrong about the 1930's (although I know that Packard was still flogging the aircraft version to the Air Corps after 1930, without success), but the marine version was able to increase durability because of the use of heavier materials. By the time the 4M- came around, Packard had made major changes to the design, but it was still an evolution, rather than a new design.

The aircraft branch of the design was a dead end, but the marine branch was a success.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_1A-2500

There are two excellent books on Packard, both by Robert J. Neal:

"Packards At Speed" and "Master Motor Builders".

The first covers Packard in competition, and the second is an overview of all of the engines that they built over the years.

d42jeep · Nov 2, 2017

d42jeep said:
I believe that I may have a Barcalo combo with an AT marking on one side but it'll be a few weeks before I can check the Barcalo shrine. I've made a note to look for it and I'll let yet you know.
-Don

I found the Barcalo combo I was thinking of and it is an AT8005 which it looks like you already have. PM if you can use it.
-Don

Farmer J. · Nov 2, 2017

I know your looking for tools to looking to complete the kit, but there is also a complete kit for sale.. The asking price is a rather steep...
http://www.thevintagetoolco.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=216

snapmom · Nov 2, 2017

It is on eBay U.K. A bit much

MShaw · Nov 3, 2017

And I doubt it weighs 10,000 Kg

DadsTools · Nov 3, 2017

Farmer J. said:
I know your looking for tools to looking to complete the kit, but there is also a complete kit for sale.. The asking price is a rather steep...
http://www.thevintagetoolco.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=216

Wow. I'd be looking for the tools to complete the set too!!!

Farmer J. · Nov 3, 2017

MShaw said:
And I doubt it weighs 10,000 Kg

Maybe a few Merlin engines come with it..!

I'm going to keep looking for those AT tools wherever I can, let's see if we can add some more to snapmoms kit.

snapmom · Nov 3, 2017

Farmer J. said:
Maybe a few Merlin engines come with it..!

I'm going to keep looking for those AT tools wherever I can, let's see if we can add some more to snapmoms kit.

Thanks, always nice to get a little help from my friends

Sunset_Z28 · Nov 5, 2017

Snapmom,

Here’s the wrench I PM’d you about. I couldn’t figure out how to send a pic in the PM so here it is. Just wanted you to be able and see it to verify it’s what you’re needing.

snapmom · Nov 5, 2017

Yes, I need this one. Thanks for finding it.

twertsy · Mar 10, 2018

snapmom said:
Yes, I need this one. Thanks for finding it.

I found 1 and a dupe today I'm told you need? See the garage sale thread for pics. I'll save it for you.

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Private Lugnutz · Mar 10, 2018

twertsy said:
I found 1 and a dupe today I'm told you need? See the garage sale thread for pics. I'll save it for you.

I was referring to this from post #1...

snapmom said:
What I need. Comb wrenches AT8048,

I think that's what you just fond two of...

snapmom · Mar 10, 2018

here is an update to what I need to finish.
AT8029 Adjustable wrench
AT8030 Looks like some sort of long finger plunger
AT8036 Feeler gauge
AT8061 hook wrench
AT8065 Wrench small comb.
AT8067 Wrench single open end.
AT9209 Socket stubby multi pronged
AT9217 Socket

6PTsocket · Apr 3, 2018

VocaTexas said:
You're partly right:

http://www.tested.com/art/makers/49...mass-produced-britains-hand-built-powerhouse/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_V-1650_Merlin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packard_V-1650_Merlin

Thanks for the links. Thst first article was a good read. Henry Ford was becoming very difficult by WWII and under gov't. pressure Edsal took over the company. The Allison was used again in the P82 Twin Mustang.

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woodland_hank · Apr 4, 2018

Very cool collection. Good luck completing it!

notlob · Apr 16, 2018

Jay Leno and a very shiny Packard-built Merlin:

snapmom · Apr 16, 2018

Worth the look. Thanks for the link.

6PTsocket · Apr 16, 2018

notlob said:
Jay Leno and a very shiny Packard-built Merlin:

That was a great clip. I was at the Columbus Mustang show several years ago. There were almost 100 Mustangs, many other warbirds and the Canadian Lancaster that Jay is referring to. A once in a lifetime event. Glacier Girl, the P38 they dug out of the Greenland ice was there too.

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cvairwerks · May 1, 2018

Would tend to have more trust in someone that has been here on the board for a considerable time than a newbie that has only a couple of cut and paste posts trying to trash the reputation of someone.

Doesn’t matter what the board subject is about, same principal.

B17E1943 · May 1, 2018

snapmom leaves NEGATIVES said:
this "SNAPMOM" person first leaves a bogus comment and neutral feedback which was removed by ebay. THEN she leaves a negative on another item, will will soon also be removed. the negative was on a $1.25 socket, which was missing from inventory so the order was cancelled. this stellar individual, in an obvious retaliation to me getting the first feedback removed, went ahead and destroyed my 100% rating and left an unwarranted negative. she also "deals" snapon, and likely figured she would hurt her competition in the process.

just thought you guys would appreciate knowing what this person is really like.

You're a lying jackass. snapmom is a valued member of several tool forums and shares her vast tool knowledge freely.

You, however, are a POS, annoying, buzzing gnat who will be swatted away from here soon. :fawk:

Farmer J. · May 11, 2019

snapmom said:
here is an update to what I need to finish.
AT8029 Adjustable wrench
AT8030 Looks like some sort of long finger plunger
AT8036 Feeler gauge
AT8061 hook wrench
AT8065 Wrench small comb.
AT8067 Wrench single open end.
AT9209 Socket stubby multi pronged
AT9217 Socket

Is this the same as the AT8036 feeler gauge?
It's on ebay..
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-PAC...EELER-GAUGE-/143214015784?hash=item2158387528

snapmom · May 11, 2019

I do not think so, would have the AT8036 model number, and would look more like a regular feeler gauge. Thanks for looking for me,

An update:
Only need five items
AT8029 Adjustable wrench
AT8030 Looks like some sort of long finger plunger
AT8036 Feeler gaug
AT8065 Adjustable wrench.
AT9209 Socket stubby multi pronged
AT9217 Socket

Provincial · May 11, 2019

The Ebay feeler leaves are marked "SPARK PLUG" and "DISTRIBUTOR" which would indicate a battery ignition system.

Odd to have two different feeler gauge sets with the AT8036 number.

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